Black Mage version of Avesta?

[Balfree]

Not sure if this has been posted but...

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[Taskmage]

:shocked:

[Electricity Gone Human]

Holy fucking shit.

[Balfree]

I have a question.

Does Diabolos avoid stepping on the breakable panels? If so, the guy is totally taking advantage of that. Because IIRC, not a single melee hit...

[Taskmage]

That seems to be the case.

[Balfree]

Yea, Diabolos doesnt step on the breakable tiles, even when theyre still up... I guess its the same as those bats in garlaige, even though they fly, they dont fly over holes.

Programming screwup or are mobs afraid of heights?

[Feba]

Well, anyone who's run off a cliff with something chasing them will tell you that mobs fall down too. They don't really "fly", they're just animated a certain distance off teh ground. That's why they're programmed around it, imagine how screwed up the diabolos fight would be if he fell down.

Anyway, Avesta *is* a black mage as well, he's solo'd some impressive BCNMs, Desert Storm and Come Into My Parlor at least are what I remember. But this was pretty good, not quite as impressive as what Avesta does, but still pretty good.

[Malacite]

That was Avesta doing Desert Swarm on BLM? Didn't know that.

[IfritnoItazura]

Programming screwup or are mobs afraid of heights?

Programming laziness, most likely.

BTW, which world is that BLM in the video from? I came across a BLM75 on Ifrit named "Vol" today...

[Caspian]

Wow, I'm not even entirely sure what all he did there, other than keep it on the other side of the fallen tiles, but pretty damn impressive.
Don't most people still do that with a rdm/drk chainstunning?

[Balfree]

Well, anyone who's run off a cliff with something chasing them will tell you that mobs fall down too. They don't really "fly", they're just animated a certain distance off teh ground. That's why they're programmed around it, imagine how screwed up the diabolos fight would be if he fell down.



In a perfect world, things that fly should be able to fly over holes if they wanted to though. :P

[Taskmage]

Wow, I'm not even entirely sure what all he did there, other than keep it on the other side of the fallen tiles, but pretty damn impressive.
Don't most people still do that with a rdm/drk chainstunning?I think the most popular strategy involves some combination of rdm/drks and mnks two houring.

And yeah, it wouldn't have been too great of a stretch for them to program pathnodes over empty space and add a flag to the nodes and to the mob AI so that only things with a flying property could use them, but that would come into play in such a tiny amount of content in the grand scheme. That's assuming I know the first thing about how mobs figure pathing in this game.

[Feba]

That would also confuse mobs that aren't always flying though, like Jormy.

Sure, it would never come up with Jormy, but I'm sure there's at least one place in the game it would.

[hongman]

Wow.

Now let's see a WHM doing some NM with Banish!

[Taskmage]

That's technically possible. >.> A whm's enfeebling magic is only 5 points lower than a blm's. So they could kite just as well and possibly survive better due to higher MDB traits and enhancing skill, but of course their damage is much less mp efficient and they don't have manafont. There would be a lot more yag and elixir chugging.

[hongman]

Any volunteers?

XD

[Icemage]

I know it's not something I'd try as WHM/RDM, that's for sure, not even with all my Enfeebling gears. WHM can't deal enough damage fast enough with Banish III compared to the ownage that is Freeze II.

Also note that you can't (as far as I'm aware) use Bind and Gravity much longer than you see in that video, because Diabolos will most likely build up resistances to both.


Icemage

[hongman]

I just got my key item for Diablos Prime.

I may try to solo it.

Ha.

[Balfree]

Everything is pretty much possible provided you have enough medicine and RR items and time and patience... ;P

[Omniblast]

In a perfect world, things that fly should be able to fly over holes if they wanted to though. :P

I think the reason why they don't fly over holes, is because...

...we can't fly over holes. Melee jobs still need to be close enough to actually hit Diabolos, thusly he can't fly over holes or else we can't melee him.

Or else you'll get everyone whining that's a melee, "We can't hit Diabolos! He flies over the holes and if we try to hit him we fall in!"

[Taskmage]

I wouldn't recommend going whm/rdm to something like Diabolos Prime, where you're under a time limit and he probably builds resistance to Bind/Grav, but other tough solos where those aren't constraits are technically feasible. Technically. A better choice than rdm or blm? Probably not. But I'd love to see somebody do it just for S&G. :3

[Malacite]

Chainspell stun doesn't really work so well on him anymore >. <

He builds up resistance to stun very quickly for some reason (Faster than other NM's I've noticed) and you're better off alternating nukes or something to assist the BLM's (but still keep stun handy! He loves to spam nightmare at 50% and under)

[Neomage]

Holy... Wow... thats is amazing...
makes me want to come back even more. If only I could fix this HDD thing...

[hongman]

My ls mates just went 0/5 on this haha. Apparently the tank kept falling >.>

[Balfree]

I think the reason why they don't fly over holes, is because...

...we can't fly over holes. Melee jobs still need to be close enough to actually hit Diabolos, thusly he can't fly over holes or else we can't melee him.

Or else you'll get everyone whining that's a melee, "We can't hit Diabolos! He flies over the holes and if we try to hit him we fall in!"

:thumbsup: a valid reason, well thought. Didn't think of that. Atleast thats one less mistery left unsolved.

[Yellow Mage]

But, with a clever bit of programming, we could easily fly.

Float spell, anyone?

[Malacite]

Maybe Time Mage will have float?

[Mikamaru]

lets see a blm solo Syeru...

[Balfree]

In due time.

[Sevv]

My ls mates just went 0/5 on this haha. Apparently the tank kept falling >.>

If you have the acess hong go rdm/drk get 3 wars and 2 leeches chain-stun with war zerg you can't lose.


Impressive, tho not exactly on god solo level.

[hongman]

I'm going to try solo this when I have some time. Diabolos isnt high priority for me, but after seeing that vid, I'm sure I can do it, given some chance to prepare and know my route round the tiles which he doesnt go through.

[Sevv]

he randomly removes tiles he has no pattern much easier to burn lol =D

[Taskmage]

There are certain patterns, it's just the pattern he chooses is random. If you have a good PC, you can look down from the ledge before the fight and see a darker outline around the tiles he'll drop. I don't know if it's possible on PS2.

[Omni]

Yet again, its a taru.:thumbsup:

[Sevv]

Yet again, its a taru.:thumbsup:

man why doesn't mhurron do any of this cool stuff, I think our taru is broke.