Vyuru's performance after the update

[Vyuru]

Just got out of an exp party, and I thought I'd share my experiance.

Party setup:

Nin/war
Sam/thf
Drg/sam (me!)
Thf/nin
Rdm/whm
Blu/whm

Gear setup for lvl 70 drg:

Colossal Lance
Valkyrie's Mask
Assault Jerkin
Chivalrous Chain
Fowling Earring
Assault Earring
Enky Bracelets
Barone pants
Drachen Greaves
Woodsman Ring
Venerer Ring
Sword Belt
Amemet Mantle

Target mobs: Imps and Jnun at the Mire camp.
Food: Meat Mithkabobs

Debuffs for the mob were sometimes acid bolts and dia II, neither seemed to be really stuck on constantly though.

My average hit was about 136, lowest hit was 101 and highest hit was for 178 damage. The average damage/hit though was very close to 136 and hovered in the 128-148 range with the largest grouping in the 130 range.

Critical hits were more or less uniformly 336 damage.

My accuracy was about 95%, I hardly missed and it felt like I was eating sushi. I'd almost go so far to say that my accuracy was obscene.

I tried out Penta Thrust, Skewer, and Wheeling Thrust. These all did 600 as a low damage to the high 800s as high damage, I saw a 921 Skewer and a 1k Wheeling Thrust as the exceptionally high marks, both of those are more outliers since they only happened once. The strength of Penta, Skewer, and Wheeling Thrust are now roughly the same on exp mobs in my opinion given my limited testing. This however might be different given more buffs or different mobs. Most WS were used at about the 100%TP-150ish%TP mark, with a couple that hit the 200% mark due to Tantrum.

Next time I party I think I'll try out drg/war to see how that does now.

Just thought I'd share with you all =^.^=

[Aeni]

Vyuru, I think you can only get *full* potential from the changes subbing WAR, mostly because you're gonna cap out with Berserk on. I find it dead sexy and more fuel to the fire for going back to *semi* traditional party setups (Throwing out /NIN)

It even makes PLD tanking for every exp encounter en vogue now ... LOL.

[LilithAngel]

I gave the new changes a try last night on DRG/SAM, and I'm going to see if I can't do better with a few gear swaps and /WAR tonight. My Pentas were rather lackluster compared to what everyone was posting (about 600-1100 at times, with the occasional 1200 here or there), while my Skewers were rocking the house (900-1400 avg); considering that everyone was/is saying Penta is still better than Skewer, then I must be missing something. :worry:

Here's what I got, let's see if we can't come up with something:

Weapon: Mezraq (seriously considering T. Lance for Plat. Grip +1)
Grip: Mythril +1
Ammo: Tiphia Sting/Angon
Head: Wyvern Helm (this came out of retirement, replacing Homam Z.)
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Ears: Brutal and Assault Earrings
Body: Drachen Mail +1
Hands: Spiked Finger Gauntlets (I'm starting to carry around my Heca gloves now, to see if that doesn't help)
Rings: Rajas and Flame Rings
Back: Amemet +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt (Also from retirement; replaced Potent Belt/Swordbelt +1)
Legs: Pahluwhan Legs (gonna unretire my Barone Cosciales)
Feet: Amir Boots (and might unretire my Rutter Sabatons for this as well)

I'm gonna keep messing with what I've got, but hopefully I can find a solid balance again. Who knows, this update might be what makes me go back to /WAR... ...I'mma miss Hasso/Meditate though, if I do. :worry:

[DakAttack]

My accuracy was about 95%, I hardly missed and it felt like I was eating sushi. I'd almost go so far to say that my accuracy was obscene.


We got a second Accuracy Bonus trait in there somewhere.

[Kailea]

we get that second ACC bonus at 70 right? because I am 65 and dont have it :(

[Kafeen]

Anyone know what level that kicks in?

[Celeal]

95% accuacy with attack food pre-merit without BRD or COR .... Orz

IMHO, instead of Meat Mithkabobs, you should try other attack+ food, because your base attack should be way over the cap of Meat Mithkabobs.

P.S. This is awesome. Hopefully this can open up more option for party setup.

Added: Seems that impact of the absence of BRD for 2-hander is much less in this update. If the 2-hander can take care of acc+ and atk+ by himself, all that is left is Haste.

[Skoal]

The only time you really should be using mithkabobs is when you are fighting those damn food snatching pink things.

[LilithAngel]

Well, while I didn't get a shot at trying DRG/WAR, I did manage to work on the new Chanoix's Gorget quest (that was fun), and duo'd with a PUP friend of mine on DRG/WHM (BTW, I must say, the new bot AI really makes the job effective as hell for solo). I used the same gear setup that I have listed above with the changes I was planning in the parentheses, with Hecatomb Hands macroed in before I hit my WS; Light and Shadow Gorgets are macroed into my Skewer and Penta Thrust macros respectively. Anyways...


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shadowfalcon76/img_1029.png

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These are just two of the Penta Thrust samples I managed to get; the Skewers were about only 200-400 less on average. Looks like the general consensus is go STR/Attack build, and eat meat, cuz there isn't much else to worry about. If I can pull those numbers on /WHM, I'm anxious with anticipation how I'll do with this build back on /SAM and /WAR. :evil:

[Skoal]

Did you solo the frog quest?

[LilithAngel]

Yes I did (and found out the hard way that the Poroggo that hang out there are True Sight lol).

The 4 frog minions that spawn with it aren't even a concern, and the Poroggo NM is Too Weak. The only thing you may need to watch for is Frog Song or a random T3 -aga or AM. Fight lasts about 10-30 seconds, depending on how fast you spam your WSs. Never even had to use a single Healing Breath.

[Callisto]

Hot damn Lilith...that's scary. I'm going to get with my DRG friends and setup more DRG burn merit parties now LoL!

[Vyuru]

Vyuru, I think you can only get *full* potential from the changes subbing WAR, mostly because you're gonna cap out with Berserk on.

That's what I am suspecting as well, but since I was exping earlier as drg/sam I wanted to compare my accuracy pre/post update before testing warrior out.


We got a second Accuracy Bonus trait in there somewhere.


Indeed we do, I do not know what level it is though.

However, this is more than just a second accuracy bonus, my gear before the update was:

Grand Knight's Lance
Valkyrie's Mask
Jaridah Peti
Chivalrous Chain
Fowling Earring
Assault Earring
Enky Bracelets
Barone pants
Drachen Greaves
Woodsman Ring
Venerer Ring
Life Belt
Amemet Mantle


With the above gear setup, I had an accuracy rate of about 70% as drg/sam with Hasso up. After the update I was able to drop 19 accuracy and get to a 95% accuracy rate. So unless our new +acc trait is like +30 acc, I think this is largely due to the fact that 1 dex = 1 acc now, if you look at that, I should have picked up at least another +20 acc due to that formula change alone, I'm not sure what my base dex is as a lvl 70 mithra drg, so IMO that is a conservative estimate.

My Pentas were rather lackluster compared to what everyone was posting (about 600-1100 at times, with the occasional 1200 here or there), while my Skewers were rocking the house (900-1400 avg); considering that everyone was/is saying Penta is still better than Skewer, then I must be missing something.


Did these other people get buffs or something and you did not? Penta Thrust was pretty accurate for me, and did pretty consistant damage. The real wild card seems to be Skewer now, and I suspect that is largely due to how many critical hits it does.

Who knows, this update might be what makes me go back to /WAR... ...I'mma miss Hasso/Meditate though, if I do.

I know, Hasso is the only way I ever get Haste :/

With this update Drg AF+1 and certain Relic pieces look sexier than ever!

[LilithAngel]

Yeah, that would have to be it. Every time I've done those numbers, it was without any massive boosts (i.e. Corsair or Bard in pt, 2hr, etc.), and my gear wasn't optimized as much as it is now. Those numbers were on /WHM, and shattered my /SAM numbers, so I'm attributing the disparity to gear selection for now. With the same gear now on /WAR and /SAM, I'm expecting much better numbers.

It seems that STR slightly outweighs Attack as the stat to be looking at now, as it gives an equal Attack rating to how much you stack STR. Any piece with both STR *and* Attack is quite a find, as accuracy isn't so much of an issue it seems. That isn't to say you can completely ignore Accuracy (well, you might get away with it if you're a Mithra...), as there might still be instances where you'll need it, but it's not so important anymore. Also, since we can now reach higher base Attack scores, the quality of meats we consume also rises, as less of the better choice's Attack boosts are wasted on lower cap Attack.

Nerf-sayers be damned! I'm fully in support of 1 DEX = 1 Acc (even if I'm the sole voice amongst everyone to be so). :evil:

[Aeni]

All I know is I'm throwing away /THF for good now and settling in on the "/WAR or bust" platform. I was just blown away when I was thudding capped damage per hit on {Decent Challenge} mobs when just on Sunday, on those same mobs, I was yo-yoing up and down roughly 50-75 points per hit. 300s solid per hit is just too good to be true right now for me.

The double attack for 600's just down right scary. That used to be WS damage before this patch ... lol.

[WishMaster3K]

What's funny now is that RDM didn't suffer from this, because all we have to do is Haste and the melee will just be retard-happy.

And god damnit, the hate that you guys get now... GL NIN tanks. That's all I can say about that. I suspect now that tanks like PLD that can get huge hate spikes will be more popular because people are now going to go back to /SAM or /WAR days of olde, and just unload on the mob.

Ridiculous.

[eticket109]

So far my highlight was the 2358 Penta Thrust I got off in ODS last night as DRG/WHM.

I played around with my gear a bit and sold my Potent Belt to use Warwolf full time. I was thinking I may get a Swift Belt but with the way attributes work for DRG now, Warwolf and Wyrm seem to really be the only viable choices.

I need to decide between continuing to wear Wyrm Finger Gauntlets +1 full time and macroing in Drachen +1 for Penta, or just wearing Drachen +1 full time. Prior to the change I preferred the accuracy in Wyrm +1 but now that STR and DEX are 1/1 on gear, I may just use Drachen.

Setup at present: TP / WS
Mezraq
Mythril Grip +1
Tiphia Sting / Balm Sachet
Homam Zucchetto / Wyvern Helm
Brutal Earring
Assault Earring
Chivalrous Chain / Shadow Gorget
Hydra Scale Mail
Wyrm Fng Gt +1 / Drachen Fng Gt +1
Shadow Ring / Ulthalam's Ring (soon I hope)
Raja's Ring
Amemet Mantle +1
Warwolf Belt
Drachen Brais +1
Homam Gambieras

One thing I learned fast after Dynamis last night, is that I'm going to really need to work on a buffer. It's a lot easier to pull hate at the wrong time now. Though if anything people are going to have to learn fast when to use a weaponskill and when not to. I'd rather shave a few hundred off Penta and kill the damn thing then I would hit a massive Penta but leave it at 5% and royally pissed at me.

[LilithAngel]

What's funny now is that RDM didn't suffer from this, because all we have to do is Haste and the melee will just be retard-happy.

And god damnit, the hate that you guys get now... GL NIN tanks. That's all I can say about that. I suspect now that tanks like PLD that can get huge hate spikes will be more popular because people are now going to go back to /SAM or /WAR days of olde, and just unload on the mob.

Ridiculous.

Funny you should say this, but I ended up in a merit pt earlier tonight in just this exact setup. Nin/War, Drg/Sam (me), Brd, Sam/Doesn't Matter, DWAM War/Nin, Mnk/Whatever, and that Rdm was on point with the Haste. The Brd got us up to chain 97-98, somewhere close to 100 (tried to finish off with Wivres, nailed a 2k+ Penta on it), while the RDM was too busy keeping myself and the Sam alive, cuz we were eating the birds alive out there. The Nin couldn't keep hate, so he gave up trying (only voked to peel them off the Brd as she ran past). All in all, very fun.

Screenies: :thumbsup:

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[Aeni]

Lilith ... that is just :eek:

Have you tried out subbing WAR yet? Or is it because your gear selections enhances SAM more so you can't do a fair comparison?

[Malacite]

Why use Penta? From what I hear there are DRG pulling 3.5k+ Skewers now (that's likely with /WAR and Double Attack going off. If not then holy...)

[LilithAngel]

I was using /SAM at that point because my friend insisted I use that over /WAR for Seigan. Consequently, I ended up taking almost just as much damage as I would have if I'd have gone /WAR. I'm fairly certain that my numbers would indeed have been higher had I taken /WAR, which I still intend to do at some point. My gear selection is actually rather neutral as to what sub I take.

As far as Skewer is concerned, I've yet to see my own beat my Pentas under my current /Melee setup, so I'm tending to lean towards the latter for now. Perhaps it'll do more under the influence of /WAR than /SAM, what with better DA proc rates and higher Attack ratings possible. If only I could get a Pole Strap from ODS, I'd be a happy camper. I just need a group to take me to ODS in the first place. :worry:

[Vyuru]

If only I could get a Pole Strap from ODS, I'd be a happy camper. I just need a group to take me to ODS in the first place.


Come to Unicorn and I can get a group for you :P

[eticket109]

I tried Skewer a few times but didn't seem to be hitting as high. I tend to stick with Penta most times anyway with the Shadow Gorget. I hope to get a Light Gorget some time for Wheeling and Skewer though.

I really need to get out and xp/merit to test all this but haven't had a chance so far.

I wouldn't mind a Pole Strap but I won't go crazy trying to get one either. I'm quite satisfied with the Mythril Grip +1 for now.

[Aeni]

Why use Penta? From what I hear there are DRG pulling 3.5k+ Skewers now (that's likely with /WAR and Double Attack going off. If not then holy...)

Malacite, those were pics of Pentathrusts doing 3.5K ... not Skewers.

Somehow I think Skewers doing more than 2.5K happens on extreme circumstances. Boreal Hound anyone?

[nickofearth]

nothing too great compared to other stories. a 1500ish Wheeling thrust here and there (i use it sometimes >_>) My Penta thrust do not do anything less then 1k now, unless overkill keeps hits from hitting. Personal Best so far is 2228 Penta Thrust. Funny thing is I had to /nin the other day for a mamool party... /nin doesn't blow donkey chunks like it used to... it still sucks though D: (<3 double attack and berserk)

Note my gear isn't all that good either.

Mezraq
Axe Grip or Mythril Grip+1
Tiphia Sting/Angon
Wyvern Helm
Chivalrous Chain
Brutal Earring and Assault Earring
Assault Jerkin
Spike Finger Gauntlets (Hecatomb mittens for WS)
Flame Ring and Raja's Ring
Amemet Mantle +1
Sword Belt+1
Drachen Brais +1 (Barone Cosciales for Jumps)
Amir Boots (Hecatomb leggings for WS) (Drachen Greaves for jumps)

That's what I use to pt atm. I only PT in the mire when I can help it. Food of choice atm: Coeurl subs.

Merits: 8/8 polearm, 4/4 crit, 2 str, 5/5 jump, 5/5 high jump, 3/3 angon, 1/1 deep breathing, 2/2 empathy (have others but they don't really matter in pt... few staff, some hp, spell interupt down, ect)

I have O hat, wally world turban, Scorpion Harness, Narasimha's Vest(christmas gift), wyrm finger gauntlets, Bushinomimi, Ethereal Earring, woodsman Ring, warwolf belt, life belt and swift belt, to switch in for random stuff. (prob start macroing in Warwolf belt in for penta again. I've been kinda overwhelmed with the new stuff. lol