View Full Version : Ninja and the Kraken Club....
Malevolent
08-23-2007, 10:38 AM
Last nite Me and a fellow LS Rdm duo'd up in arms and a KC dropped. Since my friend already had one i took it and i've been debating on either AHing it or bazzaring it or just keeping it and using it...
So first question...IS it worth it for a Nin to main or off hand it? ( I'm 75 Nin)
Second, would it be foolish for me to use it in EXP (for rdm @ 65) and Merit parties?
Sell it. unless you plan to en- and ballista because you will do nothing but make the mob spam tp moves. It is a toy, not worth the gil imo.
LyonheartLakshmi
08-23-2007, 10:56 AM
So first question...IS it worth it for a Nin to main or off hand it? ( I'm 75 Nin)
Second, would it be foolish for me to use it in EXP (for rdm @ 65) and Merit parties?
WARs have a B ranked skill with sword. Any WAR who wants to use Joyeuse and/or Ridill poors 8 merits into sword upgrades, bringing their cap from 250 to 266. Edit: those WARs also tend to have Suppa to further boost sword skill.
NIN has an E ranked skill with club. That means your skill caps at a dismal 200 at level 75. How many merits are you going to need to salvage that mess?
DRKs have a C- rank club skill at least. I've heard of RNGs using K. Club. Not sure how they justify doing so with their E ranked skill. But then, RNG is about big spike damage. NIN is heavily dependent on DoT, so I wouldn't put NIN in the same boat as RNG when it comes to using K. Club for TP building.
Suggestion: if you don't have your club skill capped, go out and use that K Club to cap it... and then sell it.
WARs have a B ranked skill with sword. Any WAR who wants to use Joyeuse and/or Ridill poors 8 merits into sword upgrades, bringing their cap from 250 to 266. Edit: those WARs also tend to have Suppa to further boost sword skill.
NIN has an E ranked skill with club. That means your skill caps at a dismal 200 at level 75. How many merits are you going to need to salvage that mess?
DRKs have a C- rank club skill at least. I've heard of RNGs using K. Club. Not sure how they justify doing so with their E ranked skill. But then, RNG is about big spike damage. NIN is heavily dependent on DoT, so I wouldn't put NIN in the same boat as RNG when it comes to using K. Club for TP building.
Suggestion: if you don't have your club skill capped, go out and use that K Club to cap it... and then sell it.
Any Joyeuse/Ridill war should have suppa, its key. If they have merited weapons they should also have sword merited if they are serious otherwise they tend to fall very far behind.
Nin can get 216 skill on club (merits) which means on your own you are going to miss a good deal. It doesn't really improve you as much as people think it does. Not worth the 42M you can get on kujata. That 42M can pimp the shit out of your nin. (don't even say club torque because you will get hurt)
Drks kraken only works due to bloodweapon and brds boosting the hell out of them, only on hnm zerg types.
Rngs use kraken for a gun build it takes alot of gear, if i remember the set up right, it is not for everyone.
Ninjas can also almost attack at hundred fists speed with march, and katanas will out damage clubs.
Armando
08-23-2007, 11:13 AM
DRKs have a C- rank club skill at least. I've heard of RNGs using K. Club. Not sure how they justify doing so with their E ranked skill. But then, RNG is about big spike damage. NIN is heavily dependent on DoT, so I wouldn't put NIN in the same boat as RNG when it comes to using K. Club for TP building.Justification:
Accuracy difference between B+ and E: -51
Accuracy Bonus IV: +48
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Difference: -3
That and Slug Shot damage having nothing to do with what they equip in their main hand slot.
I'm a DRK75, so I'd end up keeping it, but if I just had RDM & NIN I'd most likely cash it in for other items I need or wanted. It's useful for RDM in the fact that you can cap Club in quick order, but pretty much no use for NIN.
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Anybody else noticing RMT ads on the page today? I've come across 2 or 3 so far. I thought Management was dead set against RMT ads posted on the site.
Decide if you'd rather have a fun toy, or useful gear. I personally would rather have a toy, but I collect(ed) rare shit
Malacite
08-23-2007, 01:10 PM
DRK abuse the hell out of it with /DRG, Blood Weapon and Souleater (4000 dmg jumps anyone?)
DRK abuse the hell out of it with /DRG, Blood Weapon and Souleater (4000 dmg jumps anyone?)Y'know, I never thought about what would happen if a full Kraken proc'd off a Jump. lol
But I would like to bust it out to cap Club, or use on Latents with building TP, (As if DRK needs any more help building TP.) or use it as SAM/RNG to spam Sidewinder. If I had one, I'd keep it.
why dont you hold on to it for the time being. dont be so hasty to sell it. it's a very rare item and you might want it in the future, who knows. just hold on to it and see how it works out for you. if you really have no use for it ever and ever, sell it.
kc really isnt an item that drops to rock bottom prices b/c it will never be a common item like they did with thf knife or alky bracelets.
if u ever decide to lvl drk, you'll pretty much have an auto-pass into most hnmls.
as far as using it goes, for nin i wouldnt really use it just because your skill is so low in it. however if you do use it for nin, it goes in off-hand always. keep your best katana main hand so you can spam those blade:jin's. for rng, it doesnt really matter which hand its in. its for the mere purpose of gaining tp and like armando said, it doesnt matter how your main hand skill is, rng dont calcuate dmg with that skill anyways. it'll be your marks/archery skills that do the calculations as a rng.
selllllll it pimp out your jobs and have money in the bank
Malacite
08-24-2007, 09:38 AM
I'd hold onto it personally. Like Omni said, it's a very rare (and powerful) item (in the right job's hands) and it's also great for silly fun (See MNK Hundred Fists + Kraken XD)
Sure, you could sell it for a whole crapload of gil. But you can always get more gil. Odds are you won't see another one of those clubs ever again.
LyonheartLakshmi
08-24-2007, 10:39 AM
... and then the thread degenerated into Sev and Malacite going back and forth with "Sell it!", "No, keep it!" in true Bugs Bunny vs Daffy Duck style.
Armando
08-24-2007, 11:07 AM
You're despicable.
Omniblast
08-24-2007, 11:09 AM
I'd say to keep it. I had one at one time borrowed from a friend, and it was fun to use... on my whm/nin hahaha. hexa-fun!
Too bad I can't get another one, I'd go back to playing whm/nin full time and just go solo stuff like a mad man.
I'd hold onto it personally. Like Omni said, it's a very rare (and powerful) item (in the right job's hands) and it's also great for silly fun (See MNK Hundred Fists + Kraken XD)
Sure, you could sell it for a whole crapload of gil. But you can always get more gil. Odds are you won't see another one of those clubs ever again.
i have had and sold 4 lol.
kraken is a fun toy to break single handed latents, you also need a crap load of acc on it. its a very expensive toy that because of this thread he wants to know about Ninja and the kraken club, which with 42 mil he can buy a speed belt, fuma sune-ate, Dusk Gloves (+1), Hauby +1, Bomb Core/Armlet, Sniper+1 x2, enough coins for brutal earring, Unji and unsho.
He can basically from no gear at all pimp his ninja with everything you can buy, and still have gil left over. There is no real contest in the ninja discussion.
Omgwtfbbqkitten
08-25-2007, 10:10 AM
If I ever get my hands on a K Club (and I level BST and BLU, so seals aren't too much of an issue), it is never leaving my RNG's hands. Not to an HNMLS DRK, not to anyone.
Mhurron
08-25-2007, 10:13 AM
I'd cap club skill, take some screen shots, sell it then go nuts buying gear.
And never farm again :P
smurv
08-25-2007, 11:40 AM
This toy is no good in the hands of any other job but WHM or DRK.
Massive damage for DRK when using a +95% Haste boosting. And when used in WHM hand's for skilling and for fighting too.
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Other jobs no thanks, this weapon is very weak if not used correctly. And the only way to do that is to have a 65+ WHM or DRK. :D
Malacite
08-25-2007, 11:51 AM
This toy is no good in the hands of any other job but WHM or DRK.
Massive damage for DRK when using a +95% Haste boosting. And when used in WHM hand's for skilling and for fighting too.
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Other jobs no thanks, this weapon is very weak if not used correctly. And the only way to do that is to have a 65+ WHM or DRK. :D
brrzt! wrong! :evil:
It's insanely deadly in the hands of a gun RNG. Slugshot spam anyone?
Can also be janky on RDM with enspells >. > (assuming you're hitting the mob at all and doing 0 dmg so you don't feed it any TP)
smurv
08-25-2007, 11:53 AM
brrzt! wrong! :evil:
It's insanely deadly in the hands of a gun RNG. Slugshot spam anyone?
Can also be janky on RDM with enspells >. > (assuming you're hitting the mob at all and doing 0 dmg so you don't feed it any TP)
OK give me a few RNG's you've ever seen using this other than ridill.
OK give me a few RNG's you've ever seen using this other than ridill.
Alot of people will use kraken over the ridill most rngs who have access to this will it is a better choice for slug spam.
Want examples go to BG.
smurv
08-25-2007, 12:10 PM
Alot of people will use kraken over the ridill most rngs who have access to this will it is a better choice for slug spam.
Want examples go to BG.
I'm not convinced one bit you couldn't even follow my instructions.
I said list RANGERS. Alot isn't a word. And I said RNG's not "people".
Pfff
I'd cap club skill, take some screen shots, sell it then go nuts buying gear.
And never farm again :P
Exactly what I would do, only instead of buying gear, I'd blow it all on leveling crafting with my mule. Oh and a friend of mine off-handed it while we set together from 60-70 (to get me through the super icky lvls of SMN). It was funny watching her attack like nuts but she would always invite a WHM "With all the spam, I don't trust you as a SMN to be able to keep me alive"
Malacite
08-25-2007, 12:44 PM
OK give me a few RNG's you've ever seen using this other than ridill.
I haven't seen any personally, only in videos. It's really the proverbial needle in a haystack. It's a sick combo, but just how many RNG do you think are even out there with a K Club?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SVTgPVF4_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0LaFS-R-C4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MxRJlo-S3c&mode=related&search= (because this one was just too funny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P55G-4XGdU&NR=1 (off topic, but still very cool >. > found it while searching)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWGE-fRAvoY
(The actual Kraken Club BC ^^)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6VWtk037U&mode=related&search=
DRK pwns Maat in 1:17 with Kclub!
And finally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tC8BSnmiCc&mode=related&search=
Bahamut v.2 goes down in 30 seconds! >_ >
Granted, only a few of those involved RNG (or /RNG) but still...
<3 Kclub
Armando
08-25-2007, 01:07 PM
PLDs can also weild it with A- skill to spam Moonlight (was it Moonlight or Starlight that's AoE MP? Too lazy to look) in traditional EXP, acting as a second Refresher (or as the party's own Refresher if it lacks one.)OK give me a few RNG's you've ever seen using this other than ridill.Yes, because it's so fair to make your argument rely on his ability to know people who are 1) high level RNGs, 2) own a Kraken Club, and 3) on top of all that also own a freaking Ridill.
smurv
08-25-2007, 01:16 PM
I haven't seen any personally, only in videos. It's really the proverbial needle in a haystack. It's a sick combo, but just how many RNG do you think are even out there with a K Club?
Yeah my point exactly you haven't. Now think of all of them with ridills...
:D
Also maybe 2 within each server with one... Not to many compared to Ridill, and they probably ever keep or have a DRK or WHM in store (most likely a drk)
Malacite
08-25-2007, 01:18 PM
Yeah my point exactly you haven't. Now think of all of them with ridills...
:D
I mean in game on my server jack ass. Seriously, your counter arguement is baseless given that you can't provide any proof for RNG to not use K club.
smurv
08-25-2007, 01:22 PM
I mean in game on my server jack ass. Seriously, your counter arguement is baseless given that you can't provide any proof for RNG to not use K club.
Um.. Jackass is an insult.. That's what kids do, can we all be adults here.
Arguement is not a word.
Also you cannot provide information that they do. There for our counter attacks have been blunt. But you did provide some video's. And that's good but we cannot yet prove the fact that they have a WHM and DRK and decide to keep the kclub for thoughs reasons.
Discussion is over on my side, i must lvl.
I'm not convinced one bit you couldn't even follow my instructions.
I said list RANGERS. Alot isn't a word. And I said RNG's not "people".
Pfff
The discussion was based on rngs I didn't realize you had to have my type ranger to be able to follow. I have seen anywhere from 15=-25 full time kraken rangers, with culvern +1(i believe most where using this gun).
So is this one of those "because I haven't seen it, it doesn't work" type arguements you are going to run your mouth in?
Yeah my point exactly you haven't. Now think of all of them with ridills...
:D
Also maybe 2 within each server with one... Not to many compared to Ridill, and they probably ever keep or have a DRK or WHM in store (most likely a drk)
Just because there is more with ridills doesn't mean it is better, guess what If i get a ridill for my war, I have rng as well. I got the ridill for my war not my rng. Kraken will provide more tp per round for quicker ws. And by your rules if they have a ridill they probably have war or drk or thf or bst or you get the point.
Um.. Jackass is an insult.. That's what kids do, can we all be adults here.
Arguement is not a word.
Also you cannot provide information that they do. There for our counter attacks have been blunt. But you did provide some video's. And that's good but we cannot yet prove the fact that they have a WHM and DRK and decide to keep the kclub for thoughs reasons.
Discussion is over on my side, i must lvl.
You have no discussion, you provide no evidence at all. You are a kid well they have drk or whm orz!!!! Do you do endgame or know anything about endgame ranger? Do you have exp 1st hand? Do you have a ridill and k club and parsed them and saw which has proven better? Alls you do is sit here and cry they have other jobs!!!!! Dude get a life, do some research go to bg read up learn something K club > Ridill on rng. Otherwise you know what rngs wouldn't be near the end of the priority list for ridills.
People have every right to insult a troll. Learn to make points or just read, also this is a thread about ninja.
Malacite
08-26-2007, 09:50 PM
Sev to the rescue ^^ thanks.
Also you cannot provide information that they do.
The 3rd video I posted clearly shows a RNG using Kclub to rack up TP for sidewinder.
It's most usefull at 70+ when you have all 4 accuracy traits for a total of +48 accuracy to make up for the skill deficit. And god forbid I made a typo early with "Argument" oh noez.
I've read up on it, and seen videos etc of RNG doing this. Even without having witnessed it in person on my server (I've seen like 2 kraken clubs in my 4 years of playing) it's not hard to believe based on the math.
RNG has more than enough natural accuracy to offset the low skill. The TP gain on that thing is absolutely disgusting and allows for Sidewinder/Slugshot spam that can only be rivaled by a SAM/RNG with Soboro Sukehiro (rivaled, but not beaten)
Omgwtfbbqkitten
08-27-2007, 12:11 AM
OK give me a few RNG's you've ever seen using this other than ridill.
Misato of Titan, also happens to have fully upgraded Relic gun.
That's all off the top of my head, but that's one of my server, another will one day be myself (the K Club, anyway). Given the choice of BCNMing for a K Club or camping Fafhogg, I'd BCNM for K Club since soloing BST and BLU give me a near-endless supply of seals to do so.
Misato of Titan, also happens to have fully upgraded Relic gun.
kraken + Relic = OMFG pwnt.
Mhurron
08-27-2007, 05:25 AM
Exactly what I would do, only instead of buying gear, I'd blow it all on leveling crafting with my mule. Oh and a friend of mine off-handed it while we set together from 60-70 (to get me through the super icky lvls of SMN). It was funny watching her attack like nuts but she would always invite a WHM "With all the spam, I don't trust you as a SMN to be able to keep me alive"
You'd have enough to do both.
Malevolent
08-27-2007, 08:43 PM
well right now what i did was capped my club and basically paraded around Jeuno with it...Also got Drk to 55 and yes a HNMLS recruited me and asked my to lvl drk because they needed a few >.> :P i think it was just the K club... But all in all i think I'll be holding on to it because yeah it is a rarity and a reminder of a good time.
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