New to COR, a few questions

[Tenkia]

Hello, I have a few questions regarding Corsair. I read Omgwtfbbqkitten's guide, but I was still left with a few questions.

First, is Corsair truly the most expensive job in the game as I have heard? I do not have access to guns yet so I have not yet started to see how much money it really costs.

Second, should I use the first gun I get at level 15, or wait till 22 so I can use regular bullets? Bronze seem like a waste to me, but I need confirmation on whether it is actually worth it, as I want to play the job to the best of my ability.

Third, should I be meleeing right now (level 12 atm) with swords and daggers, or should I be subbing white mage and focusing purely on support at this point. I have yet to party so I want to know what will benefit the party most.

Thank you in advance for answering my questions! It should help make the dunes a more enjoyable experiance (as hard as that is the believe!)

PS: First post on these Forums!!!

[Sylvane]

I'll reply, but don't take my replies as the end all be all, my cor is only 20.

I leveled through the dunes with warrior subbed, melee and buff, I used mostly corsair's roll and hunter's roll, until I had access to chaos roll, then I only used chaos and hunter's. The reason I did this is because with whm subbed I had I think a total of about 30-40 mp, which is basically useless. Granted I play a hume, taru character's might benefit more from a whm sub.

I didn't buy a gun at 15, it seemed pointless, as bronze bullets seemed to do about 15 damage when they hit. If you get a party that just NEEDS you to pull, you can always buy darts in Selbina, about 1k a stack iirc

PS. welcome to the forums

[Tenkia]

Thank you, I will definitly take your advice into consideration, and I didn't even now Cor could use darts!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Hello, I have a few questions regarding Corsair. I read Omgwtfbbqkitten's guide, but I was still left with a few questions.

First, is Corsair truly the most expensive job in the game as I have heard? I do not have access to guns yet so I have not yet started to see how much money it really costs.

I would rate COR as the second most expensive job in the game in terms of levelling from 1-75. After 70+, I'd say that expenses get lower thanks to things like Joyeuse and evolving into roles like meritpo pulling.

The expense is rather low for 1-49, thanks to the fact you can buy NPC bullets from 22-49, but overall, I'd say you'd end up spending 2-3 million-ish on ammo just getting to 75, give or take a little bit based on your server.

It may seem like the cost is daunting, but just take your time, look for good NM targets and BCNMs to do any you'll maintain a decent flow of gil to support yourself. If you can craft your own bullets, all the better.

Second, should I use the first gun I get at level 15, or wait till 22 so I can use regular bullets? Bronze seem like a waste to me, but I need confirmation on whether it is actually worth it, as I want to play the job to the best of my ability.

So long as you've levelled Marksmanship through RNG, DRK, WAR or THF in advance (hopefully RNG), there's absolutely nothing wrong with skipping gunplay til 22.


Third, should I be meleeing right now (level 12 atm) with swords and daggers, or should I be subbing white mage and focusing purely on support at this point. I have yet to party so I want to know what will benefit the party most.

Thank you in advance for answering my questions! It should help make the dunes a more enjoyable experiance (as hard as that is the believe!)


/WHM is OK from 1-30 and you're fine skilling up with daggers and swords. I'd lean heavier on swords until you can get access to Archer's Knives at 28, then its strictly knives until high level because Archer's Knives and Trailer's Kukri lend you ranged accuracy bonuses, very useful to COR.

The /RNG sub really starts to shine at 30 and reigns supreme over all other EXP subs at 60+. /Mage and /NIN subs are useful situationally, but they just don't come close to /RNG for EXP. And just to let you know, RNG is almost cheaper to level as a sub than COR is through sub levels, Crossbow bolts (holy especially) and arrow don't run too expensive, so RNG is an easy sub to polish off, RNG is probably one of the most painless subjobs I've ever done.

Over your career, /RNG will lend you two Accuracy Bonus Traits, giving you +22 natural Ranged accuracy before equipment. Additionally, you'll have Sharpshot from level 1 to boost your accuracy and earn Barrage at 60 as COR/RNG. Best overall accuracy and damage over time with this combination.

If you want to get the most out of Quick Draw, you may also wish to level RDM or BLU as subjobs for the curative abilities at Magic Attack Bonus Traits. RDM has Dispel over BLU, while BLU offers Healing Breeze for AoE curing. COR's role at high level is varied and mage subs see more action then.

I would have put BLM in there, as it gives the strongest MAB trait, but its hard to justify its lack of support and curative abilities. /RNG, /NIN and Mage subs tend to offer more utility to the job.

Anyway, that's it. Welcome to the Seagull Phratrie!

[Tenkia]

Thank you so much for that advice! I am definitly willing to go out of the way to farm/bcnm for that much, and I was expecting something higher than 3m. I am already working on rng a bit, so marksmanship will not be an issue because I will have rng 30+ soon so marksmanship will be capped for cor for awhile. I knew going into Corsair that it was going to be expensive, and as such I am prepared to make the cash to fund bullets/average-good gear. Again thank you for your replies, I really value your input.


edit: after I get the archer's knife should I melee at all or just use bullets from then on?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Generally its better to TP with bullets after you get the better bullets at 22+. You can still stand in melee range if you wish to get TP off hits in between shots, but gun should be your primary source of TP until 70. Our knives are just too weak and build TP too slow to make for a primary source of TP, you'll always get better returns off gun until you can use multi-attack weapons.

[Tenkia]

Again, thank you so much. I don't think being a taru will help me melee either, so I will just stick to using guns and buffing ^^

[wrongfeifong]

To be very honest, i only used around 500k on ammo until 68. (my server bullets are 50k-60k and iron 100k)
I never even have to farm for bullets.

You might think i am lying but here is why.

little info, i started the account with whm 1-30, rng 1-38 then corsair 1-68 (now)

1. i leveled /rng from 1-38 with 40k or less capped MM at the end of 38. (also gear is usable on COR as RNG)
2. I leveled cor melee up to 40. (i never pull, and if i do, i use /brd or darts. )
3. 40-50 doesn't grind on bullets, i used only 10 stacks of bullets.
4. after 50...buy one stack iron bullets (100k) and it will last you until 60. By 50 you will grind roughly 2-3 pouch per level.
5. Never brother level ninja, its practically useless if you did not started as whm.
6. if you tell me ninja is for pulling, i rather use whm to pull "Blink +stoneskin + bar spells rules after 60", if you tell me you are meelwith dual weild,..well i won't say anything because you are doing 0-1 dmg with a archer knife (unless you have kukri)
7. Never buy a gun until 56 (matchlock) or wait until hexagun.
8. Level brd, it will help save the cost.
9. Make mana burn party, /brd most of the time.
10. Setup so that equip Iron for QD + slugshot macros. (maybe barrage too) and switch back to normal bullet during normal attack.

So far i could tell you,
40-50 = 10 pouch bullet (about 60k)
50-60 around 2 12xpouch + 1 12x iron (about 230k here) (but i did few level without shooting /brd)
61-68 3 pouch of bullet + 1 stack iron per level (sometime goes to -5 stacks. so far around 200k-300k carry from some bullets from 50-60s)

Cards are pretty cheap, i only used like 2 stack light +dark + 3-4 ice so far.

Now gear wise:
You could just get some weak armor anyway they are pretty cheap, Just eat sushi you will hit anything with the crappiest gear. (however i personnally did get gun belt @30... (which is godly) all +1 items, spectacles, trailer kukri. and +1 rings. And hexagun XD

Now, let's see how these above people will talk^^

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I can sum up my reply in one word:

Ugh.

[Tenkia]

Thanks for the reply, but I take my jobs very seriously and I will NOT just half do it to get to 75 ASAP. I am not just leveling COR because of fast invites/levels. I have researched it and it sounds like the job for me. That being said, I plan to be all I can be as far as effectiveness and usefulness to the party goes, and if I end up using like 5 stacks of bullets/level, so be it, that only means that I will level more slowly, which is not a bad thing, because I know of people that have been playing for 3-4 years and only have 1 level 75 job, but are really really good at it.

I do not just want to be a brd who has cool AF, I want to be a corsair.

edit: was that "Ugh" directed at me or wrongfeifong? Did I do something?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

It was directed at Wrongfeifong. He's a "I'll fix my gimpness in post-production" player. I seriously don't understand why someone revels in underplaying thier role.

And lol at darts. 2nd COR I've heard of that pulls with those. Sure, its lower delay than our guns, but Quick Draw is instantantious, why not pull with Dark Shot if you want to be so cheap? That would at least kind of make sense.

[Tenkia]

Yeah I just read a few of his other threads, he is the perfect example of what kind of player I do not intend to be. As you said on one of his other threads, a new character is not a liscense to be cheap, and while my character is not new my highest job is 53 blm, so I sorta consider myself still a bit of a noob.Anyways, those are words to live by, thanks for clearing that up.

[Kuro]

I can sum up my reply in one word:

Ugh.

Quoted for truth.

[Kixxi]

60 has been an awful stopping point for me on COR with regard to expenses. With the need for Spectacles, Precise Belt, Deadeye Gloves, Trailer's Kukri and Amemet Mantle +1 (all 100 to 200k+) I've had to take a lot of time out to farm the gil for these wonderful items and three weeks later I'm still at 60 (yes have been doing other things too). So point is, that this has been my most expensive moment whilst levelling COR.

Since I began using Iron Bullets (110-120k per 12 pouches) I've started to wince a little each time I pull the trigger too - I've never been a rich player, but I can confirm that pre-50 I didn't find the job that expensive at all.

Good luck!^^

[Tenkia]

Thank You Kixxi, and that is a lot of stuff to farm for O.o, but I am guessing once you finally get those items, your damage output will be improved dramatically. Gl to you in getting them all.

edit: Wouldn't a gun belt be better than a precise belt, because if you sub rng you get +5 racc and ratk?

[Kuro]

I didn't bother with Trailer's Kukri and Amemet Mantle +1, all that money for wht is it, +2 racc and ratk?

Its better to buy like 4 more stacks of iron bulets, and just sit there trigger happy and not worry about bullets, than spend all that money at 60, then haveing to keep farming for your ammo. Which, frankly, killed my inner child.

[Tenkia]

Trailer kukri is a 4 racc improvement over archer's, and Amemet mantle+1 is 5 ratk and 1 str better than NQ, according to ffxiah.

[Kixxi]

Gun Belt - Damn you for pointing that out LOL!!^^ Yes it would. I have one in my mog, but, ahem, my RNG sub is currently 'underlevelled' so to speak, so I have spent the majority of my COR days as /WHM or /NIN depending on what the parties have asked for.

I am very aware that I am reducing my damage output by not having RNG levelled, but I am of mage origins and the only reason NIN got levelled previously was because I levelled THF for farming.

[Tenkia]

I see. /em sings gimpy gimpy gimpy. /em goes to his happy place. Ok I'm done :P.

That makes sence then.

[Kuro]

I went /RNg from 22-75 COR. This includes all merit/pulling partys. And all events. That gun belt was the best 200k I ever spent!

RNG is a piss easy sub to lv though, I love it. Good invites because no one really wants to pull low lv. Great damage low lv. Plus well, if you do what I did and just go with cheap ass bolts and only use the good stuff if the party deserves it, damned cheap.

Use stuff like Acid and holy bolts only if the party have good equip. When i levelled RNG and COR There were people wearing god damned event gear at lv 30! I didn't even want to waste like 1 gil pulling on people that cheap!

And that's why I havent gone and gotten my NIN and WHM subs, I don't want to suffer the dunes, yet again. All the other areas are RMT centeral now >.<

[Kixxi]

I'm fully in agreement with all that it would be the best thing to get my RNG from L16 to L37 but I've made up my mind to do it on my own time, and I will do it - just don't think I can face going through the low level areas yet again so soon.

It's probably the same accross all worlds to some extent but on Unicorn, subbing NIN is so expected of you that I wouldn't put it past leaders for me to level my RNG and then get asked to sub NIN anyway.

And I think I'm not letting anyone down by being a COR/WHM or COR/NIN. I am a firm believer that Phantom Roll and Quick Draw comes before pulling the trigger in a party and as long as I am carefully cycling four Rolls on the party, Dispelling/Sleeping when needed, and/or enhancing enfeebles, having a slightly lower damage output becomes almost irrellevant to other party members - I am sure of this, otherwise someone would have asked me why I don't sub RNG in a party by now. It does seem that the only people who swear by /RNG are those who levelled RNG first.

So please, don't get me wrong, I am firmly in agreement that /RNG is best - I will get it done, just on my own time!^^

[wrongfeifong]

its just my playing style, playing it rich or not doesn't make you a better player overall. Some people might remember you are "Rich" player but most doesn't even brother. While playing it poor and being effective make your a better player because you could still be effective as a player not because you are Rich in gear but as well in skill. Of course, i am not saying RICH player can't put effort, but most i see just lack in it since they assume their gear replaced it (damn these DRK, WAR doesn't have bomb core refuse to use range weapons)

Personnally i hate RICH players who have +1 in every best gear and still lack the effort to brother. Like the ninja i partied with +1 scorpian harass +1 every weapons, and even a +1 hauby just simply couldn't tank. (of course, even i died...).

I might be playing it poor, but i did put the effort in my gaming (i organize Skillchains, battle formation and keeping 4+ rolls all time, with pulling) so i lack the ability to farm 5 month for an item doesn't mean i am the worse player in this game.

If you leveled when the game began, you could ask that no one in the world farm for a scorpian harness just to level. (for god sake, its 7-10 million before)

P.S BBQ, darts are for below 40, you haven't level for so long, you forgot QD is level 40 and whoever pull with QD is basically an idiot.

[Kuro]

Yeah, that’s your problem. Your explanation of how you play COR, made you sound oh so shit.

If you can't keep 4 buffs up and pull, then you should be shot, It doesn't make you a good COR, it makes you a crap COR, a wanna be BRD until lv 59. When mages start to love you in manaburn. and you become better than BRD for buffing mages.

If it takes you 5 months to get good gear, erm like, don't, Just don't bitch about other having the good gear to make themselves better than you. COR juggle tasks like a RDM, one of those tasks is DD, and COr can't DD well without that cashflow, so don;t expect to. I levelled SAM to 75 with uber standard equip, same with Corsair. Hell, I'm still using Trump gun at 75, I went past matchlock so fast they were never on sale. Yet I can still throw out more damage than the average COR because I know when to aim for TP when to shoot for damage, and when/who to skill chain with to give the most overall damage.

And darts, Just... NO! Oh, and pulling with QD can be a damned good thing for a lot of the game. Pulling monsters that spam their self buffs while out in the field brings than back to the camp without it. Its instant so you can pull and pull well against competition.

One final note, COr pretty much have to be amazing at their job, OR ritch. Cor are on the bottom rung of the DD ladder. In order to do any respectable damage worth even DDing, you have to throw your gil at this job same as RNG

[Tenkia]

Please do not let this turn into a flame war x.x i never said you were the worse player, but how you posted made you sound like you were gimp and proud of it.

ps: ding level 15 corsaid :D still loving it ^.^

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

stuff

Your problem isn't that you refuse to get "the best" gear, its that you don't even try for adequate, affordable gear. You can get Deadeye Gloves from ISNM, a simple 2k in Imperial Standing is all you need for those. Peacock Charm is from BCNM40 Under Observation or you can still camp Argus for the R/E version.

A reasonable person will take time away from levelling thier job to prepare for the road ahead, they may or may not get this stuff, but the fact that they keep trying says that they care how they play.

P.S BBQ, darts are for below 40, you haven't level for so long, you forgot QD is level 40 and whoever pull with QD is basically an idiot.

At 40, you're going to want to start looking at AGI gear to help your Quick Draw accuracy (basically it lowers resists) and macro it in.

Link (http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/corsair/64236-cor-more-cor-advice-plz.html)

Might I also point out you didn't know (http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/corsair/67757-75-cor-qd-stuffs.html) AGI was the modifier. I mean, you've only had this ability the last 28 levels and SE made that adjustment back in Dec 2006. A lot of CORs didn't have that knowlege when they levelled the job before that update, and you've missed out for over two dozen levels. But then, it would behoove you to drop 6k for a pair of drone earrings, right?

And I guess I'm an idiot, I've pulled with Quick Draw. I've used it to beat people to claim, but I generally use the non-damage QDs to that end, as Light and Dark Shot do no damage. Light Shot will generate more enmity for its sleep effect, but Dark Shot will not generate so much.

Its true QD is usually to enhance enfeebling, but enfeebling falls to the wayside at 72-75. Actually it falls away as soon as the 2nd tier of colibri come into the picture, but enfeebling is almost totally irrelevant to merit level. QD returns to its intended purpose at EXP levels and endgame, but is generally abused for Light Shot and instant claim in merit situations.

Honestly, I'm of half the mind that you're a sockpuppet account somone made to rile people. No one really comes to forums seeking advice only to turn around and defy the advice given like you do. Its like you made up your mind how you'd play before you ever even posted. You just came to justify how you play, not listen to others.

[Kuro]

Oh god peacock Amulet/Charm... KEEP IT AWAY!

I'm like 0/12 ont hat bastard over 3 years and 2 accounts -.-

COR 1-75 in 2 months 1 day, during that time Did some BCNM, ISNM KSNM and camped Argus a bit all for ymgood endgame equip (still no where near finished but avarage good gear), but god I hate that item. I settled for spamming farming for a day or two to buy spec's

[Tenkia]

A reasonable person will take time away from levelling thier job to prepare for the road ahead

QFT

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Oh god peacock Amulet/Charm... KEEP IT AWAY!

I'm like 0/12 ont hat bastard over 3 years and 2 accounts -.-

COR 1-75 in 2 months 1 day, during that time Did some BCNM, ISNM KSNM and camped Argus a bit all for ymgood endgame equip (still no where near finished but avarage good gear), but god I hate that item. I settled for spamming farming for a day or two to buy spec's

Well, there's nothing wrong with spectacles, and really, if you're already 75, I'd just opt for Qiqirn Collar instead, as it has the highest Ranged Attack COR can get on the neck slot. PCC is more for the general levels because its so lovely for so many jobs, or if you just anal like me and don't give a damn about Ranged Attack on the neck and just want to make sure you hit the mob.

And when you have sea access, there's the Gorgets to quest, too. Plenty of good options at 59-75, you don't have to have the PCC. But if you're a Joyeuse COR, its probably the best overall piece to have at 75. I sold mine to get Dusk Trousers and some other misc gear and replaced it with a Qiqirn Collar, but I think I'd like to tilt things in favor of swordplay at this point, so I'm gonna BCNM PCC again or check out Argus.

And just to nitpick - You're still using the Trump :P I've seen worse than that so I won't evicerate you for that here, but if you can't get a the Coffinmaker just yet, grab a Peacemaker and Corsair's Gun. Remember that Quick Draw damage is affected by your Gun and Bullet DMG. You won't be losing much accuracy and the AGI boost on AF gun is minor at best.

Coffinmaker isn't commonly sought-after by other jobs, so you can sometimes just idle by the BCNM in Waughroon Shrine and ask people if they're doing Copycat or Prehistoric Pidgeons KSNM. Some people will be willing to pass unwanted R/E weapons to an outside player so it doesn't go to waste. I know a few CORs that went that route.

[Tenkia]

How hard is the PCA mob, I might want one.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Argus (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Argus) - Maze of Shakarami

*Spawns in the area from K-8 to J-9 (the small room at J-9, through the hallway at J-8 and into the larger room at K-8)
*Timed Spawn randomly of either this NM or the Leech King approximately every 18-30 hours
*Killable by: Solo at level 48-53, depending on job
*Around 3500HP

[Tenkia]

Thanks, and Osnap, 18-30 hours and a chance that it doesnt even pop?! Thats crazy, I would be better off buying 60k stonaga II and bcnm it.

[wrongfeifong]

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Originally Posted by wrongfeifong
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Your problem isn't that you refuse to get "the best" gear, its that you don't even try for adequate, affordable gear. You can get Deadeye Gloves from ISNM, a simple 2k in Imperial Standing is all you need for those. Peacock Charm is from BCNM40 Under Observation or you can still camp Argus for the R/E version.

A reasonable person will take time away from levelling thier job to prepare for the road ahead, they may or may not get this stuff, but the fact that they keep trying says that they care how they play.

I seriously have no idea what give you an idea, that i am naked :P I am pretty well geared and i do have everything best for corsair (beside spects). But personnally after acquire these "best" items, i don't feel it helps. (just FYI, i never did brother get QD equipment because i don't feel it worth it as i am in the leveling part)

And like i said BBQ, as a level 60+ i farm so much easier then as a level 20 that trying to farm bullets. Hence it took me 1-2 days to farm what it is worth of a level 20 in a week. Hence, my "post-production" style works better then you expected.

Consider the fact using these i hit 90% of the shots with squid during /brd /whm (meaning /rng would tell me that 25 racc+acc trait is useless.) I don't think i even need all these gear to begin with.

just for the record FYI, I do have everything what a 68 should and BEST to have (i even have hexagun (brought @ 100k:P seriously overpriced too), trailer, gun belt, scop+1 x2 ring, drone +1 x2, spect..etc, all AF, only thing i don't have +1 pants (god sake 500k for each...). Since it take me 1 day to farm 200k (i have my ways as a 60+).

About deadeye gloves, how you expect me to get a group that does it? consider corsair aren't BCNM/ISNM welcome (even i know cor is good for them but people want rdm/brd), i have tried few time, no one ever want to even do it with me

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I seriously have no idea what give you an idea, that i am naked :P I am pretty well geared and i do have everything best for corsair (beside spects). But personnally after acquire these "best" items, i don't feel it helps. (just FYI, i never did brother get QD equipment because i don't feel it worth it as i am in the leveling part)

Go back and read your guide for cheaping your way to 75.

You could just get some weak armor anyway they are pretty cheap, Just eat sushi you will hit anything with the crappiest gear.

And like i said BBQ, as a level 60+ i farm so much easier then as a level 20 that trying to farm bullets. Hence it took me 1-2 days to farm what it is worth of a level 20 in a week. Hence, my "post-production" style works better then you expected.

If you levelled RNG, as you claim you did, common sense would be to level it 40 for BCNM40 and CoP missions, giving yourself added utility. BCNM40 "Worms Turn" drops that sinful Ninjustu magic you hate so much, but it still sells for decent gil. I did lots of these for my gil, on top of ISNM and selling Imperial Standing for currency. I didn't really need to farm for RNG or COR at all.

If I camped an NM, it was more often for R/E gear than not.

Consider the fact using these i hit 90% of the shots with squid during /brd /whm (meaning /rng would tell me that 25 racc+acc trait is useless.) I don't think i even need all these gear to begin with.

You can say this to make yourself feel better, but that doesn't make it true. Anyone who subs /WHM, /BRD or /NIN will feel the dropoff in accuracy almost right away, even with sushi. The +22 Range Accuracy from the Accuracy Bonus Traits is extremly useful, in addtion to Sharpshot and Barrage, which also make a difference. If you can't feel the benefits of Barrage for your damage or AGI for the accuracy Quick Draw, something just add up. Sushi is good, but it doesn't really make up that much for subbing /WHM or /BRD.

just for the record FYI, I do have everything what a 68 should and BEST to have (i even have hexagun (brought @ 100k:P seriously overpriced too), trailer, gun belt, scop+1 x2 ring, drone +1 x2, spect..etc, all AF, only thing i don't have +1 pants (god sake 500k for each...). Since it take me 1 day to farm 200k (i have my ways as a 60+).

Hexagun isn't the best gun for your level, Matchlock and Shark Gun are. I don't expect Shark Gun out of anyone, but Matchlock was at 56 and its probably cheaper than a Hexagun.

Hexagun is for wearing around in Whitegate, nothing more. Its a pretty gun, but the ugly guns do better damage right now. I was sweet on Hexa for a while too, but then I saw a prettier, stronger and better gun from KSNM30 and decided to settle for the uglier, but more powerful guns until I got Coffinmaker.

About deadeye gloves, how you expect me to get a group that does it? consider corsair aren't BCNM/ISNM welcome (even i know cor is good for them but people want rdm/brd), i have tried few time, no one ever want to even do it with me

You have no /NIN sub, of course no one will help you. There are two things you need to win ISNM60 "Making a Mockery" (1) High spike damage, preferably from piercing weapns (COR, RNG, DRG, SAM are all good for that) and (2) a Ninja Subjob. The /NIN sub is for when everyone gets charmed, even the WHM or RDM should sub /NIN for this BCNM. I usually do this BCNM with RNGx4, NIN and WHM. Works beautifully. RNGs bring the high burst damage, /NIN lets them survive attacks made on you when Charm wears off. You can swap out a RNG/NIN for a COR/NIN in this case.

COR has a nice total package for BCNMs. While we have no AoE sleep, we do have burst damage, buffs and a strong, light-based sleep on our side. Get a BLM to cover the AoE stuff (which is standard anyway) and COR is nothing but an asset. I've stalled NMs with Light Shot and blinked the damage in BCs long enough to help buy recovery time for weakened allies. I've taken BRD into some of the same BCNMs and it just doesn't compare. I'll give BRD an edge on Steamed Sprouts, but that's about it.

[Tenkia]

Ok, all of my questions have been answered, thank you very much omgwtfbbqkitten especially.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Yeah, now that all questions have been answered...

I heard SevIfrit and Feba eat babies.

[Tenkia]

ewww

[Demonwhisper]

i agree with omg on this QD is key for a COR at any lvl.

COR is not a DD by any means and i laugh at ppl who try, with aa B rank in Marksmenship its quite sad. a CORs job is to pull and buff. for quick pulling in a meripo use QD to pull as it is instant claim, u can beat ANY brd and at that any job with a QD pull unless a meripo as a RNG pullin with shadowbind XD lol.

think of COR as a brd with a gun. You get ur buffs, u get ur mad pulling skills, and u play a key roll at helpin the party as a whole without having to put to much effort in.

for QD if u are short on cash focus on WHAT U NEED, not what u want. what need for COR is some bullets (QD don't work without'em) light and dark cards (sleep and dispel) and a proper sub :p /nin works just fine but for the true Support role go /whm. /rng will help you lvl up marksmenship with Sharpshot. And if u do infact wanna do some damage SharpShot barrage for damage then Slugshot after.

COR should on engage from a distance to WS if they want to, the occasionly R.att is fine but its just wasting ur money. The damage u do isn't that effective in a good PT at any lvl. and besides with u engaged on the monster u are taking time away from ur pulls. Having to put away ur weapon then start runnin after the mob is dead will brake chain soon so it is best to get ur buffs up and run to the next mob.

happy lvling :)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

COR is not a DD by any means and i laugh at ppl who try, with aa B rank in Marksmenship its quite sad. a CORs job is to pull and buff.

My slugshots beg to differ. I'll pull if I'm needed to pull, but I do not accept buffing and pulling as my only roles. This job is very versitile, I refuse to pidgeonhole it as a puller, especially given that for 71 levels, its a really poor puller.

for quick pulling in a meripo use QD to pull as it is instant claim, u can beat ANY brd and at that any job with a QD pull unless a meripo as a RNG pullin with shadowbind XD lol.

QD pulls are a last resort, your pulling reach is superior with bullets

think of COR as a brd with a gun.

No, and its not a RNG with buffs, either. Its Corsair.

You get ur buffs, u get ur mad pulling skills, and u play a key roll at helpin the party as a whole without having to put to much effort in.

If you're not putting effort in the whole time, you're leeching EXP. As any job, period.

for QD if u are short on cash focus on WHAT U NEED, not what u want. what need for COR is some bullets (QD don't work without'em) light and dark cards (sleep and dispel) and a proper sub :p /nin works just fine but for the true Support role go /whm. /rng will help you lvl up marksmenship with Sharpshot. And if u do infact wanna do some damage SharpShot barrage for damage then Slugshot after.

Dark, Light, Earth, Ice and Wind cards I consider standard. Think like a good BRD and RDM when you approach Quick Draw. Light and Dark for Dispel and Sleep. Earth, Ice and Wind to enhance the key enfeebles any WHM, RDM or SCH would happen to cast - this would be Slow, Paralyze and Silence respectively.

NIN is the most ghetto of subjobs for COR, so useless for the majority of levels I feel sorry for the CORs that used it from 24 to 75. Dramatic loss of accuracy. /DNC stomps /WHM subjob flat everywhere but some areas of endgame and manaburn. /DNC lets you use melee gear, to boot, getting you out of that unwieldly MP gear.

DNC and RNG are really the top subs now. WHM is your best full support subjob at certain points of endgame. RDM and BLU enhance QD via MAB, but also offer curing support. BLM is a luxury sub, but the best MAB sub. BRD is another luxury sub, but I prefer WHM for full support as /BRD leaves you defenseless. /WAR is just purely for epeening Detonator with Martial Gun in meritpo.

COR should on engage from a distance to WS if they want to, the occasionly R.att is fine but its just wasting ur money. The damage u do isn't that effective in a good PT at any lvl. and besides with u engaged on the monster u are taking time away from ur pulls. Having to put away ur weapon then start runnin after the mob is dead will brake chain soon so it is best to get ur buffs up and run to the next mob.

Before multi-hit weapons, melee TP for damage is a waste of time. TPing with bullets will give you superior DoT and better TP returns per shot. If you can't spend the money, go play a job you can spend the money on, kthx.

[Demonwhisper]

If you enjoy getting out pulled by a BRD in a meripo with a slow ass gun the go ahead. Instant claim and run away keeps the best chain goin. in a good PT u have time for 1 roll, and a pull and so one, keep ur cycle going and thats it. I dunno where u play but its obviously low-grade. yes COR never frontline DD... useless, and if u have time to pull with bullets, go for it. I was just stating that if played right COR can out pull any job in the game, and keep the best chains.

COR is never a DD even if u can do damage if u wanna do damage go play RNG

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

If you enjoy getting out pulled by a BRD in a meripo with a slow ass gun the go ahead. Instant claim and run away keeps the best chain goin. in a good PT u have time for 1 roll, and a pull and so one, keep ur cycle going and thats it. I dunno where u play but its obviously low-grade. yes COR never frontline DD... useless, and if u have time to pull with bullets, go for it. I was just stating that if played right COR can out pull any job in the game, and keep the best chains.

If you're going to pull in meritpo, you pull with a Peacemaker, period. Fastest gun on the market and used in tandem with Light Shot, it will fluster even the quickest, tricked out BRDs.

You only get to Light Shot every 50 seconds to one minute depending on your merits and QD charges. If I'm pulling, I cannot rely on Light Shot alone. The only time I'm use QD to pull is to pressure the rival puller into getting greedy and fucking up. Given enough pressure, a foolish BRD will eventually go for Horde Lullaby on Greater Colibri.

Also, you fail to consider the fact that while a mob moving out of spell range interupts a spell, it does not stop the firing of a gun once the action is engaged. Again, pulling with bullets has its advantages.

COR is never a DD even if u can do damage if u wanna do damage go play RNG

I actually am a 75 RNG and 75 BRD on top of 75 COR. I'll go with my experiences, thanks. COR is support first and DD second, but to say COR is never a DD shows your ignorance toward its potential.

I don't know what server you're on, but I'm on the most densely populated server in the game - Odin. I'd be willing to bet you're one of those CORs that wears full AF, uses hexaguns and level 22 Bullets. You probably don't even have a MAB or AGI build for QD and probably levelled it "just for merits."

Congrats on levelling an NQ BRD, man. :thumbsup:

[Taskmage]

If you're not putting effort in the whole time, you're leeching EXP. As any job, period.If I sigged quotes, this would be one of them.

[Demonwhisper]

lmao i fail lmao, odin is the most dense server now eh? interesting....

I don't care what server u are from it matter what grade of ppl u play with the ppl on my server, Bahamut from the game reknown LS Thanatos tought me the proper way to play cor lol and no full COR af is horrible the only decent pieces is the hat body and feet. u can stiff replace these with Salvage and Assualt gear but for free gear its not horrible.

Ya i agree with Peacemaker for sure, but it will greatly effect ur QD if u didnt know QD is affected by gun DMG and bullet DMG along with AGI and MAB. A hexagun, even tho its a COR gun shouldn't be used because of its horrible damage. and ya pulling with bullet has its advantages, for sure it does. but i was just sayin nothing beats running and QD a mob out of a brds spell lol.