Blood Pacts and TP

[Silent Howler]

Quick question, would like some clarification. What's the relationship between an avatar's blood pacts and TP?

[Malacite]

Most magical blood pacts will use up an Avatar's TP when used, and gain bonuses at specific levels much like players do for WS (100/200/300).

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Blood_Pact

[Silent Howler]

Okay now more questions. Do avatars gain TP like we do? Can you still use those certain blood pacts with 0TP? What happens when you unsummon? Do you lose any TP gained?

[LilithAngel]

1> Yes
2> Yes
3> They lose the TP
4> No, *you* don't (your TP is seperate from the TP gained by your Avatar).

One last thing: Don't melee in exp. All that'll accomplish is make the party mad at you as you hit for little to no damage (if you even hit at all), while giving the monster even more TP with which to spam even more TP moves (I know, I know, in the grand scheme of things and all...). Melee on your own time, essentially (although, for Summoner solo, I'm fairly certain very few melee there too, even. It's more of a hit-and-run thing, except with Avatars instead).

One *other* last thing: Shouldn't this be in the Summoner forums?

[Malacite]

Avatars gain 8 TP per hit (and give the mob 10)

Physical Blood Pacts never use TP, and having no TP when you use a magical
blood pact just means you won't get any bonuses. Avatars also lose TP when they're not engaged with a mob, and obviously if you unsummon (or it dies) all TP for that avatar is lost.

[Silent Howler]

4> No, *you* don't (your TP is seperate from the TP gained by your Avatar).
I worded that one wrong. I didn't mean the SMN, I meant the avatar.

One *other* last thing: Shouldn't this be in the Summoner forums?
It could go either way, I suppose. I wouldn't say it should be in the Summoner forum. But anyways, thanks for the info.

Avatars gain 8 TP per hit (and give the mob 10)

Physical Blood Pacts never use TP, and having no TP when you use a magical
blood pact just means you won't get any bonuses. Avatars also lose TP when they're not engaged with a mob, and obviously if you unsummon (or it dies) all TP for that avatar is lost.
Hm, do physical blood pacts ever give more TP or is it always just 8?

[Malacite]

It depends on if it's multi-hit or not. And to be honest I don't know if multi hit blood pacts are subject to the same TP restrictions as weapon skills (1st hit gives full TP then 1 TP for every hit thereafter)

Shiva's lv 70 BP Rush is a 5-hitter, so that would either get her a maximum of 12 or 40 TP. Can any 70+ SMN's confirm which it is?

[Silent Howler]

Not too many 70+ SMNs around here...

Another question came to mind. What about when the avatar is damaged by an enemies attack?

[Gwynn]

Not too many 70+ SMNs around here...
Another question came to mind. What about when the avatar is damaged by an enemies attack?
They still get TP, just like we do. Avatars have the same basic TP properties as players, only that their TP only affects their magical BPs (Nuke IVs, Meteorite, Healing Ruby I/II, Spring Water, Merit BPs, stuff like that).