A little question about the AH sell slot.

[Shrayn_lolsam]

Hello everyone. I don't know if i'm just stupid and never knew about how to obtain a extra three slots in the sell area, or if it's really unknown.
You see, this is very degrating becuse i'v been playing for 5 years, but not met a single person that knows why the ah only lets you sell up to seven things, when it shows up to 10.

So is it a quest or something to get the extra three? Or.. what? ;x Sorry if it's been posted before, i looked pretty far back and found nothing.

Thanks in advance. ^^;

[IfritnoItazura]

I vaguely remember S-E being rather defensive about this; seems like the system basically will meltdown if the company allows more than 7 slots per character, due to the extra stress it may place on the AH/search system. Apparently, "7" was a limitation derived empirically.

AFAIK, there's no way to extend that to 10.

[Shrayn_lolsam]

Oh I see. ;o Thank you very much. ^_^ Just wondering why they never just took it out, ya? :p Anyways. Thanks again. ^-^

[Dymlos]

I still find it stupid how we can't have more than seven, especially when I can have unlimited slots in WoW.

[Mhurron]

I still find it stupid how we can't have more than seven, especially when I can have unlimited slots in WoW.
FFXI != WoW.

Lesson for the day: Unlike things are often not alike.

[Eohmer]

People are still comparing FFXI to WoW? /sigh

[Amele]

Oh I see. ;o Thank you very much. ^_^ Just wondering why they never just took it out, ya? :p Anyways. Thanks again. ^-^

all menu's are a pretty standard height. you can see 10 slots at a time in your inventory too for similar reasons.

I'm sure at some point they tested more slots as well, so this might be left-over GUI from facilitating those tests.


it has more to do with seek times and database load than transmission rates though. ~40,000 characters * 3 slots -> 120,000 additional items on the ah's, -> 120,000 more records in the database to be searched every time you run a query against the AH. etc etc.

[Shadowneko]

wellcome to the game were everyting is dictated by the limits of the original edition...namely the Playstation 2. You can't drop the PS2 players off because you'd kill off a goodly amout of customers...

You just can't add anymore slots because it would not work with the Playstation 2's memory lilitation....

[Irisjir Callard]

I think if they started adding "optional features" for X360, PC, PS3, then the ps2 users would migrate to such a degree that the actual ps2 userbase would become negligibly small.

Unfortunately, currently, ps2 is the only CHEAP system that ffxi is playable on, so it's the place all the players on a budget are going to go anyway. The x360 price is going to have to go down before a migration can really start.

[Shadowneko]

I think if they started adding "optional features" for X360, PC, PS3, then the ps2 users would migrate to such a degree that the actual ps2 userbase would become negligibly small.

Unfortunately, currently, ps2 is the only CHEAP system that ffxi is playable on, so it's the place all the players on a budget are going to go anyway. The x360 price is going to have to go down before a migration can really start.

Try to tell that to a whole mess of JPs playing on Playstation 2 systems...where incendentally the Xbox 360 is the least popular game system and almost no one will buy it XD (I saw somethere that 51% of FFXI players use a Playststion 2...and a good number of those are JPs!)

As for PS3 there are no plans to make an edition specific to it(SE has said so several times). The only FFXI players on PS3s run the game under emulation...in other words: They are still using the PS2 edition.

SE can't afford to drop the Playstation 2 support because they'd kill off too much of their customer base. It's better if you look at SE's next gen MMO project than harp on the fact that you're limited by what a Playstation 2 can do XD

[LyonheartLakshmi]

wellcome to the game were everyting is dictated by the limits of the original edition...namely the Playstation 2. You can't drop the PS2 players off because you'd kill off a goodly amout of customers...

You just can't add anymore slots because it would not work with the Playstation 2's memory lilitation....
Did SE say the PS2's memory limits the number of AH slots?

[Shadowneko]

Did SE say the PS2's memory limits the number of AH slots?

well it has to do with the search function and too many things to search= not enough ram XD

Plus I read that somewhere...I can't remember where...it was quite along time ago...

[Irisjir Callard]

Try to tell that to a whole mess of JPs playing on Playstation 2 systems...where incendentally the Xbox 360 is the least popular game system and almost no one will buy it XD (I saw somethere that 51% of FFXI players use a Playststion 2...and a good number of those are JPs!)
As for PS3 there are no plans to make an edition specific to it(SE has said so several times). The only FFXI players on PS3s run the game under emulation...in other words: They are still using the PS2 edition.
SE can't afford to drop the Playstation 2 support because they'd kill off too much of their customer base. It's better if you look at SE's next gen MMO project than harp on the fact that you're limited by what a Playstation 2 can do XD


I'd love to, but is SE planning a new MMO anytime in the forseeable future? I've heard rumors and people saying "By 2015..." well crap that's another what, eight years? I don't consider that something I can look forwards to really, I'm too ADD/shortsighted for that.

The best I can do is nominate possible solutions to problems, and since a lot of people blame ps2 hardware for a lot of problems....walah.

And I don't blame the jp's for not buying 360. Alot of americans don't like it either.

But I DO think SE should have made XIPS3 version. I think that would have helped out ps3 sales, which from all I've heard are WAY below estimations. Granted, why give up the working $120 ps2 to get a $600 ps3, but I do think it would have helped a few people.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

well it has to do with the search function and too many things to search= not enough ram XD
That line of reasoning sounds like quite a stretch. That line of logic doesn't explain why 8 AH slots is too many for the PS2. Meanwhile, the PS2 can support 80 Mog Safe slots (a feature that was quite specifically states as being tied to PS2 memory limits), returning 40 entries when doing /search, and showing a list around 300 items long when looking at Body armors at the AH.

Technically speaking, anything that occurs in the game requires RAM. But that doesn't mean the PS2's memory is what limits everything in the game. It could be a different aspect of the PS2 that limits something. Or it may be entirely independent of the PS2 (e.g. a design limitation that SE put into place that would have occurred regardless of the platform that they decided to design the game around).

Besides, isn't the work of doing the "searching" done by the server, and not by the cleint? I recall times when the /search feature was down, but the game itself was functioning properly otherwise.
Plus I read that somewhere...I can't remember where...it was quite along time ago...
It would be nice to see the actual source of this information. Please forgive me if I don't accept your 2nd hand report as being accurate and reliable. Without that original source, it just sounds like you're trying to make the PS2 into a scapegoat.

[Amele]

well it has to do with the search function and too many things to search= not enough ram XD
Plus I read that somewhere...I can't remember where...it was quite along time ago...

no. ps2 limits has very little to do with the AH limits.

AH server hardware has to do with AH limits. wanting to make the game 56k compatible has to do with the AH limits.


searching is a function of your database, which in this case is remote, not with how much ram you happen to have available right now.