How do I level?

[NegativeFPS]

Just got this game the other day, and was confused about quests, I thought they were more important than they really were. So I spent my first 4:30 hours running around Winurst talking to every NPC in hopes they got quests for me. I picked up about 15, and one Missions, but the missions suggested level is 10, so I'm just ignoring it for now.

So I'm out in West Suburbia (or however you spell it), trying to do the quests (such as getting drops from the rabbit, or getting to the outpost), but I get my ass handed to me in 5 seconds from any mob other than the bumblebee and the mushroom looking white guys.

I sort of posted this in the Xbox 360 forum in a different manner, it rolled to this from another topic, and two people told me to just "level" (they meant grind it seems) to level 10 or so and get groups, then start doing quests for level or two, and repeat..... I REALLY hope that FFXI isn't really like this..

What should I really be doing as a level 2?

PS. With Dia, should I be spam casting it? It says over-time, but how long? Seems like the DoT affect is gone after two ticks or so

[IfritnoItazura]

0. You don't get exp from quests usually, as a rule; it's for the stories, and sometimes items. Yes, stories are rewards. And, yes, that's a good thing.*
1. Make sure you have Signet (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Signet) on; one of the NPC's in near the gate can give that to you before you head out to West Sarutabaruta.
2. Go outside. Kill things you are able to. Stack drops (sort them), sell them. You'll need the Gil later.
3. Get over the fact that there is grinding. Killing things help you skill up weapons and/or magic, and give you experience points. (Most people do not go from Lv.1 to Lv.75 in month and a half, BTW.)
4. Partying (http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/party-etiquette-fighting-tactics/64267-exp-party-index.html) starts at Lv.10-12, depending on job. Then, Vana'diel will start to open up.

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Lower levels really fly by fast anyway; Lv.1-10 is 13,350 experience points in total, while Lv.56-57 by itself is 14,000 points. It's almost meaningless to talk about "grinding" at t Lv.2.

If 14,000 exp to go from Lv.56 to Lv.57 seem like a lot, it's about 3-4 hours in great exp parties at that level, or 4-5 hours in normal parties. Most people seem to want good parties lasting around three hours. That means about two or three good, full length sessions.

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I've never played WoW, but I believe you get experience points for doing quests? Yet, most of the quests are of "fetch 10 rabbit skins", or "kill this specific monster" variety, right? I don't see how that's much different from "grinding", where you kill stuff for exp and drops.

While some simple, repeatable quests like that do exist in FFXI, many quests have memorable and entertaining stories which require you to go through quite a bit more trouble. That's why the stories are the rewards.

[Jarre]

Killing those bumblebees and mandys as their known. Do that till lvl 4 (dependant on job) in you left hand menu one with attack at the top their is a thing called check. Click on the mob and click on check if it says easy prey or descent challange, attack it. don't forget to rest your Hp (by typing /heal or /h) Oh and find a gate guard and ask for Signet to be casted, therefore you get crystal which you can sell to buy better equipment.

As for you last comment yes it can tke a while to get used to and level the first 10 levels, then theres the dunes and lvl 18 to get subjob items and subjob, once there it gets better.

[NegativeFPS]

How does it get better? I don't want to sound rude or anything, but that's what I hear everywhere.

Grind 10-20 levels, ok, then what? Parties, but what kind? Grinding parties? Come on.
So is FFXI basically killing the same mobs for 10 levels, go to a new zone, kill the same mobs another 10 levels, get to a new zone, kill... it just does not sound right.

In WoW, Quests are how you level, they have quests that have you kill mobs your own level, at least you know there's a purpose to killing the mobs.. here there's no purpose it seems

[IfritnoItazura]

Well, if it make a difference, pretend you're killing for Beastmen's Seals (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Beastmen%27s_Seal), which allows you to do special quests where you fight monsters (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/BCNM) which drop interesting (and sometimes very profitable) items.

Of course, that's not really pretending; Beastmen's Seals really are a big deal. ^_- Don't toss any you come across.

Edit:
When partying with others, it's considered very rude to lot on those seals; they will randomly and automatically drop into party member's inventory, so don't lot. It is a valid reason to kick someone from party for lotting without permissions the entire party.

[NegativeFPS]

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[NegativeFPS]

Lower levels really fly by fast anyway; Lv.1-10 is 13,350 experience points in total, while Lv.56-57 by itself is 14,000 points. It's almost meaningless to talk about "grinding" at t Lv.2.

If 14,000 exp to go from Lv.56 to Lv.57 seem like a lot, it's about 3-4 hours in great exp parties at that level, or 4-5 hours in normal parties. Most people seem to want good parties lasting around three hours. That means about two or three good, full length sessions.

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I've never played WoW, but I believe you get experience points for doing quests? Yet, most of the quests are of "fetch 10 rabbit skins", or "kill this specific monster" variety, right? I don't see how that's much different from "grinding", where you kill stuff for exp and drops.

While some simple, repeatable quests like that do exist in FFXI, many quests have memorable and entertaining stories which require you to go through quite a bit more trouble. That's why the stories are the rewards. Yes, most quests are like that, but they give you way better XP if you just do the quests rather than just grind the mobs, not only that, they give you a bunch of money, decent item rewards, and the story itself. Only thing FFXI seems to have right is the story, but what about the items, XP and money from them?

So let me get this straight, and again, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or rude, it's just very different and not right sounding to me. In FFXI, the way to level is to simply group with people and kill monsters for what seems to be no reason (other than XP and occasional drops), correct?

[Jarre]

You seem to have missed the social element of the game, Link shells, etc. Any RPG you have to progress, and most RPG's thats gaining levels. The fact is with missions and quests on the way that unravells a storyline, intereacting with people and elarnign how to do your job in parties, make new friends, the guilds being able to craft, fish mine to make money for some nice gear, at alter elvels their besieged (where monsters attack a city and you have tod efend it) Assault (reverse of that you go and kick ass) yeah its slow to start but as you get deeper into teh game it becomes more interesting and enjoyable. It isn't instant grtification like simple games i.e. WOW. You have to think, deploy tactics, balance benefits against troubles, interact with people of all ages and races from around the world etc etc. If you can't do any of the above then quit before your 30 days free are up.

edit:
erm quests do give you some gil or items once completed, its just at your level there not much at the moment, as you gain higher levels the quest become more profitable and you gain unique armour/ weapons. There are hundreds of quests from all the cities see here (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Category:Quests)

This is not an easy simple game you have to put effort and patience into it.

[NegativeFPS]

You seem to have missed the social element of the game, Link shells, etc. Any RPG you have to progress, and most RPG's thats gaining levels. The fact is with missions and quests on the way that unravells a storyline, intereacting with people and elarnign how to do your job in parties, make new friends, the guilds being able to craft, fish mine to make money for some nice gear, at alter elvels their besieged (where monsters attack a city and you have tod efend it) Assault (reverse of that you go and kick ass) yeah its slow to start but as you get deeper into teh game it becomes more interesting and enjoyable. It isn't instant grtification like simple games i.e. WOW. You have to think, deploy tactics, balance benefits against troubles, interact with people of all ages and races from around the world etc etc. If you can't do any of the above then quit before your 30 days free are up. I understand all that. But I'm just talking about LEVELING right now, as in getting items to boost my charcter, money to buy needed stuff, and XP to level, all of which seem to be missing RIGHT NOW (that's why I'm asking, I don't know if it changes later or not).
I may be doing something wrong, or not understand something, that's why I'm here.

But grinding mobs to level, again, does not sound right. In every other MMO to level you just do quests, at least that's how it is in GW and WoW. Brainlessly killing mobs just to level is not how it's meant to be. If they had higher rate drops of stuff you could use, higher rate than in WoW or GW, or even had other purpose other than giving you XP, I'd understand. But it doesn't seem they do, and partying with people to JUST kill those mobs, deff doesn't sound right or fun

[forster]

Ill say what other people havent, and I dont mean it as nasty, or offensive:

This game isnt for you.

FFXI is all about grouping with other players to get levels - there is no real solo content, there's no decent rewards (at least not till the very end of plotlines) from quests or missions, and aside from one or two exceptions, no experience gain from them.

The learning curve is really high for FFXI, not really in learning your job, but more in learning to group with people that you dont like just to get anywhere. You have to learn not to get bored by killing significantly weaker mobs, to get drops for you to sell on the auction house, to get any kind of starting cash (unless you find a linkshell that will fund you - and this is VERY rare). You have to learn not to notice that you are killing the same mobs you were for the past 10 levels, even tho the only difference is their names.

This game isnt very newbie friendly.

I started writing a guide for the game in this post, but it would take me all afternoon so Ive deleted it.

The plot of FFXI, for a general player who just wants to get a taste of the game, is irrellevant. I dont even care about it and Ive been playing for over 5 years.

For the most part, this game isnt even fun, you log in, stick your party flag up and maybe you get a party and get a level or two. If you dont get a party, you log off and go to bed, or you make your own party and hope that you can get the right jobs to make it a success, or you start levelling another job in the meantime and start the process again.

From what I can see, this game is all about getting to level 75, then you can actually have some fun. If you've seen the South Park episode about WoW, its pretty much all about that - kill mobs all day, every day, then you can actually play the game.

You need groups to level, you need groups to do most latter missions, you need groups to take down the hardest mobs. Quests basically give you zip to support yourself, so you need to get groups together to take down mobs for their drops (referred to earlier via beastman seals). It is true somewhat that there is minimal solo content, but at least for starting out, this is a long drawn out process.

Im sure Ill get flamed, but I dont care, this game is about grouping, grinding the same old mobs to 75, then you actually get to have some fun. Well, you do if you have the right 75 job, otherwise you are stuck repeating the levelling process until you either a) get sick and quit, or b) get an accepted job to become part of an endgame shell that'll open the game up for you like an easter egg.

My advice to you, after all that BS, is to get a linkshell and talk to other players, if you can get into a good linkshell then the game becomes less boring, you can do missions and events with the same people you have built up a friendship with and perhaps even get linkshell exp parties going. A good shell will save this game, unfortunately, there arent a lot about. On Fenrir Ive had at least 50-60 linkshells, and only now have I found one that is willing to do the most basic stuff together, and even then its a lot of work to keep it going.

You are level 2. If you think its bad now, wait till you hit the dunes.

[Kafeen]

How does it get better? I don't want to sound rude or anything, but that's what I hear everywhere.

Grind 10-20 levels, ok, then what? Parties, but what kind? Grinding parties? Come on.
So is FFXI basically killing the same mobs for 10 levels, go to a new zone, kill the same mobs another 10 levels, get to a new zone, kill... it just does not sound right.

In WoW, Quests are how you level, they have quests that have you kill mobs your own level, at least you know there's a purpose to killing the mobs.. here there's no purpose it seems

The main way to level in FFXI is ginding, its true. Quests and missions have their own rewards though. Some give you useful items or equipment either to use yourself or sell. Others reveal to you more information on the world of Vana'diel and its enhabitants. There are a few quests with give experiance as a reward but these are few and far between. And others, well, they're just used to increase your fame in the cities to get people to give you new, more worthwhile quests.

Missions from your home nation and later other sources progress you through the story line of FFXI, as well as monetary and item rewards you also be able to venture into new areas of the world.

[Srxjo]

easly put if you dislike the game just dont play it and go to another MMO

[forster]

We could always ask Randy Run for help, he seems to want to give us 1-75 and xx gil maybe that will help speed things up.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

In WoW...

Yeah, just hold that thought.

And I'm gonna clear up the misconception of solo, even held by FFXI players here.

There is a respectable solo game to be had in FFXI, its just the fact of the matter that in WoW its given to you from level 1.

In FFXI, you have to earn the ability to solo. Several jobs can do it, but you must work for your skills to do so. Jobs such as Red Mage, Blue Mage, Black Mage, Beastmaster, Ninja, Thief, Dragoon and Puppetmaster are all very good soloists at varying degrees, but there's an art to each of them and you must spend time partying in other jobs first to really have the power to master them.

And you really need to make use of jobs like White Mage, Ninja and Blue or Red Mage via the subjob system to make this happen. Subjobs are the bread and butter of versatility in this game, whether you're a solo or party-based job, you'll want more than one to enhance your skills.

I've soloed practically all of my Beastmaster levels and a handful of my Blue Mage ones, but I wouldn't be able to do either that well had I not partied my Ninja and White Mage jobs elsewhere.

That said, FFXI is not deceptive like WoW's solo game is, FFXI does not beat around the bush about you needing to cooperate with other players. Even if you are a solo class, you'll still need to team with other players for missions, quests, notorious monsters, all instances and endgame. WoW just baits you with solo and they forces grouping on you at endgame.

There are also many party based jobs, if partying is something you don't want, then you're going to have to look into the soloist jobs I mentioned. Jobs like Warrior, Ranger, Corsair, Bard, Samurai, Monk, Paladin and White Mage are more reliant on EXP parties to advance, though PLD and WHM can solo to a fair degree, too.

As far as EXP quests go. They're few and far between and totally frivelous in terms of thier returns. You can get EXP from the following quest-types, missions and instances.

National Escort Quests through particular zones.
The Sacarium quest
Chains of Promathia Missions
Emptiness Notorious Monster battles
Besieged

[Shadowneko]

WoW is a lame beginer's game compared to FFXI(it's for little kids who can't play in the big tough sandbox and want eveything handed to them on a silver platter like the little brats they are!). I've heard over and over that you can get top level and bored(I'd be bored...I just know it) in that game so fast it's not even funny....

In FFXI yes alot of it is leveling with groups but I don't mind so much. Rather than just get stuck on getting 75 I level my jobs with another goal in mind: I want to do missions and see the storyline(much of which is accessable at different lvls depending on the mission). The first few nation missions can be done from lvl 9-12 for the most part and some are skipable(the first big one is the dragon fight for rank mission 2-3 at lvl 25). The first CoP missions(some of the hardest missions and some of the best story) become doable once you have a lvl 30 job. Also due to an addition CoP missions do hand out XP...but only in limited amounts.


If you're really obessed with solo play...well get lvl 30 and do the quest to unlock Beastmaster. That's one of the only jobs in the whole game that can solo!

That's the other thing I like about FFXI vs other MMOs: You are not bound to your starting class. Start as Warrior and decide you hate it? fine just go talk to the moogle and swap to mage(buying the right stuff for it) with no need to make a new character! You can always go back to what you were playing before with all the lvls you had on that job. All jobs do start on lvl 1 but you keep all the skillups you've gained and all the lvls on the particular job....

Now this may not be your game but I'm way into my firends and the storylines of FFXI. If this isn't your cup of tea I suggest you go back to those instant gratification games like WoW....but if you wana work at it there are some rather fun things to do and a great community to meet ^^

[Mhurron]

http://www.vgcats.com/ffxi/

[IfritnoItazura]

Um. OP didn't say anything about not wanting to party with others; he mostly just has issues with quests not giving much experience points.

And, Shadowneko, there's no reason to insult WoW players like that. We've all run into immature, unpleasant people in FFXI at some point, I would think.

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To OP:

Anyway, I would encourage you try things out for a bit longer--get to Lv.18, unlock the Support Job (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Support_Job) ability, and get to Lv.30. If you still hate the experience which you call "grinding", then feel free to quit.

[Dymlos]

Ah good 'ol XI, everything you learn from other MMOs, it greets you by pimpslapping you in the face, then throws you outside your starter zone and it tells you 'Start learning boy, no you don't get a tutorial, this is man's country! Tutorial's are for little sissy babies who need their mommies! Now, are you a sissy baby or a man?"

[Fugwarr]

Get your signet, grind levels, gain crystal and conquest points because of the signet, sell the crystals on AH, and use the money from those and the conquest points to purchase gear. It's not hard, though I went until around level 8 before I got any gear, with the exception of a hat (which isn't useful to melee types) at level 6 from a quest in southern Windurst Waters to show off a hat in the area to all the NPC's.

The draw of this game for me, while I am not a fan of the grinding, is that I want to see how the storyline pans out, I love the idea of mixing different job combo's and being able to switch out at any time I may be bored of my main job for a change, and not have to switch characters, unlike in WoW. Nothing is easy in FFXI, and it seems they've taken every precaution they could to make things difficult for you.

The one thing this game could do without however is the deleveling. I don't mind losing exp, I just shouldn't lose levels. I remember a few times when I used to play years ago, I would get to a level and ready to fight something new, and then we'd wipe, or I'd die on the first pull, delevel, and I'd be kicked from the group and have to go back to the other area and level all over again so I can come back and find another group to try again.

[Celeal]

I understand all that. But I'm just talking about LEVELING right now, as in getting items to boost my charcter, money to buy needed stuff, and XP to level, all of which seem to be missing RIGHT NOW (that's why I'm asking, I don't know if it changes later or not).
I may be doing something wrong, or not understand something, that's why I'm here.

But grinding mobs to level, again, does not sound right. In every other MMO to level you just do quests, at least that's how it is in GW and WoW. Brainlessly killing mobs just to level is not how it's meant to be. If they had higher rate drops of stuff you could use, higher rate than in WoW or GW, or even had other purpose other than giving you XP, I'd understand. But it doesn't seem they do, and partying with people to JUST kill those mobs, deff doesn't sound right or fun

Grouping/party for experience in FFXI is NOT brainlessly pack six people togather and brainlessly grind on mobs. Each group is unique with different people, job, skill, and fighting different mobs, etc. Indeed, trying to gain experience point effectively in this game is an art itself.

[Mhurron]

Grouping/party for experience in FFXI is NOT brainlessly pack six people togather and brainlessly grind on mobs.
To be fair, for most jobs, ya it is.

[Celeal]

To be fair, for most jobs, ya it is.

From your point of view, it is true: Beacuse you have experience/knowledge of this game. But for the OP who is at new to this game, it is different.

[WishMaster3K]

With that type of mentality, the OP better not do any Melee jobs.
Once you get to the 40s and experience your first true afternoon LFP..
Ahh. I should stop right there.

[Srxjo]

http://www.vgcats.com/ffxi/

how often do they update that site with more?

[Dymlos]

They update that part once per month. I think it's a deal VG cats made with SE for their monthly XI newsletter. If I'm wrong someone please correct me. I still prefer this comic for humor sakes. ^_^. If I can't show the url, it's the one with 'Ternaldo's Guide to Super Fun Partying in Final Fantasy XI!'

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=96

[Srxjo]

thank you ^^

[WishMaster3K]

MY TOES ARE COLD

Ahh... Valkurm.

[Shadowneko]

And, Shadowneko, there's no reason to insult WoW players like that. We've all run into immature, unpleasant people in FFXI at some point, I would think.

I'm not insulting the players...just WoW itself! That game seems to be a horrible waste of space from everything I keep reading about it(bad commiunity,superfast lvls,no content, ETC.). I admit I never wanted to try it myself for the simple reason that I have no real interest in the Warcraft universe and it doesn't seem like a fun place to play for me. The only MMO I've ever liked was and is FFXI....

It just seems like a bad beginner's game to me.....like Final Fantasy Mystic Quest....

[Richie]

There seem to be a lot of people in this thread who haven't played WoW so I'll give you all an idea of the quest system it has.

You approach the NPC with the ! over his head, he has a quest for you!

He begins to speak.... *Skip dialog* too long didn't read...
A quest progress tracker appears at the right of you screen reading. "Dire wolves 0/20" Cool, so after I kill 20 dire wolves for the quest (totally not grinding) I return to the NPC who now has a '?' over his head! He starts to say something... w/e scroll down to pick my reward. 3 options: Plate leather cloth, being a mage what should I pick? Oh that's right I can only wear the cloth. Well I accept my robe and In addition to that the NPC gives me X amount of xp which makes sense because 2 seconds of dialog skipping should get you more xp than just killing 20 wolves on your own.

I'm not saying WoW is bad... It has it's place in the MMO world. It does have a tendancy to spoon feed everything to it's players which can make them very lazy players. FFXI is on the other end of this spectrum, it often kicks it's players in the balls for no reason, but there is plenty of great content for both casual and hard core players (unlike WOW: 40man 5hour raids or just stop playing loser) and the challange makes up for it.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

So leveling in FFXI is just killing mob after mob, like in all the other FF games? Imagine that.

[Ameroth]

I mentioned this in the OP's thread about questing: This isn't WoW. It's not GW. It's not any other MMO besides FFXI. There are elements borrowed from other games, sure, but if you're coming into this game with the mindset that it's going to be like all the other MMOs you've played, you're in for a rude awakening.

At level 2, you really can't even use the word "griding" to describe leveling. Like IfritnoItazura mentioned, the exp curve is tremendously large, and gets larger as you progress in level. You gain levels by either soloing (much less effective for many jobs) or by grouping with other around your same level. No you don't just target the same mob for 10 levels, change zones, and repeat. There is a plethora of areas for groups of 2-6 to level in at any level range.

Yes you are fighting mobs with no other intention other than gaining exp. Maybe you don't understand how the FF series works, but you repetitively target mobs to gain exp so as to level up. Some mobs will drop valuables, but for the most part, mobs that an exp party will target will not drop anything of much value other than lots of crystals and beastman/kindred seals.

Leveling is a relatively important part of the FFXI experience, but it is not the sole aspect of the game. Leveling allows you travel and access other parts of the game that would be harder or impossible to access at low levels. However, there are so many activities for you to do at any level: Crafting, fishing, exploration (to some degree), socialization, farming, quests, missions, obtaining gear/items, helping others, etc, etc, etc.

In closing, my advice to you is this: If at level 2 you are already wishing this game was more like WoW, maybe go play WoW... or GW... or whatever.

Open-mindedness ftw.

[Nuriko]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=96

"You iz hot!"

"I'm going to start wounding you now. I'm not sure when I'll stop."

[Omni]

In WoW...

This isnt WoW.

Sorry, don't want to hound on you being a new player and all but that's sorta like going to BurgerKing and asking for a BigMac. Then when you don't like the dumb founded look on the cashier's face you say 'But at McDonalds they have BigMacs!'

I'm not saying WoW is bad... It has it's place in the MMO world. It does have a tendancy to spoon feed everything to it's players which can make them very lazy players. FFXI is on the other end of this spectrum, it often kicks it's players in the balls for no reason, but there is plenty of great content for both casual and hard core players

QFT!

[Feba]

if you don't like getting screwed up the ass with the sharpest implement SE has on hand, you won't enjoy FFXI.

This is why our gay manthra population is so high.

[Ameroth]

Ya know, despite all the bashing of this game we do around here, it's actually a very rewarding game if given of the required time. Hardcore gamers will obviously excel faster, but if with low amounts of playtime this game can still be enjoyable.

Take our bitching about the game with a grain of salt; after all, people like me play it waaay too much (that's also the reason we're given the right to bitch).

[wrongfeifong]

Let's just say

"The OP has quit FFXI and returned to the world of warcraft"

WoW to me is really a grinding game, you just grind differently, doing these "kill XX number of this" type of quest. And most of your experience point are from actual Killing then quest really.

Anyway, this guy probably gone already, and gave up FFXI. There are people who can't play certain game just as most of us playing FFXI over WoW.

[Xionxxxx]

This is the Official BORING way you level, you join a BORING group, go camp an area, stare at the Game Screen til the 1000000000th mob you kill at that point you fall asleep..... SE made the leveling system obselete compared to WoW.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

That made no sense.

[Feba]

SE made the leveling system obselete compared to WoW.

Where you talk to an NPC, kill 100 of the monster they tell you to, go back to the NPC, kill 200 of the monster, go back to the NPC, kill 500 of the monster, go back to the NPC until your eyes bleed from the shit awful graphics. Big improvement there.


The fact is, leveling sucks pretty much everywhere, the only real solution is to ditch leveling, but then characters become unbalanced and stupid

[Omni]

I think xionxxx is just a troll. He wasnt making any sense on a blink/utsusemi thread either.

[Xionxxxx]

Where you talk to an NPC, kill 100 of the monster they tell you to, go back to the NPC, kill 200 of the monster, go back to the NPC, kill 500 of the monster, go back to the NPC until your eyes bleed from the shit awful graphics. Big improvement there.


The fact is, leveling sucks pretty much everywhere, the only real solution is to ditch leveling, but then characters become unbalanced and stupid

Actually you don't have to do those killing quests in WoW I know their mostly boring, but theres better quests for experience than the ones in FF11, and you also get decent amounts of gold, not only that but its also more fun to level in dungeons, (Instances in WoW) like Mini Dynamis's. But it is true WoW gets very boring after you hit lvl 70 in 3 weeks, where as FF11 it takes you 1 year to hit lvl 75 with a job, but it becomes alot more fun with the merit system and the subjob combinations, where as WoW gets lame and the only thing left to do in WoW is get better gear. The Graphics on the other hand are nice in WoW if you increase the resolution to 2048 x 1536 and turn the antialiasing to 6x, I had a big problem in FF11 with the graphics in Dynamis, too many characters slowed my PC down where as I ran WoW with max settings fine in 40 man raids. Either game is arguable, both have ups and downs.

[WishMaster3K]

WoW supports 3rd Pt Apps. And GoldSellers.

Like I said, MMORPGs for Dummies.

[Mythos]

That's not really a fair assessment of WoW. Of course this guy isn't providing a very fair assessment of FFXI either.

[Xionxxxx]

WoW supports 3rd Pt Apps. And GoldSellers.

Like I said, MMORPGs for Dummies.

Actually no one ever buys gold in WoW because you don't really need a ton of gold to buy anything (mostly everything is Rare/Ex, or Soulbound), gold grows off trees in WoW, the only things worth anything in WoW are the end game gear (all of it is Rare/Ex or Soulbound) and you need to do 20 or 40 man instances to get em (very much like Dynamis). Although I like the idea of FF11 where I can buy my way to the top easy thru Gilbuying, (YES! I bought Gil before and not afraid to admit it, haven't we all?) it sux you can't do that in WoW.

[wrongfeifong]

wow is exactly for you, you could even buy your way into having full set of super endgame gear.

do you even know that, many endgame guild sell items? With your gill buying way, why play the game, just pay these players and have your character sit there collect endgame gear.

With 2000-4000 USD you would get the most amazing gear in the world. Then 4 month after, Expansion come, all your gear become obsolete. If you ever think back, those 2000 USD could make your life easier then wasting it on gaming.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Although I like the idea of FF11 where I can buy my way to the top easy thru Gilbuying, (YES! I bought Gil before and not afraid to admit it, haven't we all?)
Nope, not all of us have. I certainly didn't.

[Xionxxxx]

wow is exactly for you, you could even buy your way into having full set of super endgame gear.

do you even know that, many endgame guild sell items? With your gill buying way, why play the game, just pay these players and have your character sit there collect endgame gear.

With 2000-4000 USD you would get the most amazing gear in the world. Then 4 month after, Expansion come, all your gear become obsolete. If you ever think back, those 2000 USD could make your life easier then wasting it on gaming.

WoW isn't for me, neither is FF11 tho, I quit both, used to have many gilseller friends, they were very nice chinese ppl just trying to make a living, their boss even paid me handsomly rewards for helping. And no, WoW won't get you anywhere even with $5000 USD, you need 20-40 ppl all geared out to even get you the gear that drops off the bosses, and you cannot buy the gear, any of it.

[WishMaster3K]

Why are you on an FFXI Forum?

[Xionxxxx]

Why are you on an FFXI Forum?

Good question, just trying to find any old friends since most of em quit.

[Icemage]

I'd like to interject here that discussion of real money trade is severely frowned upon on this site. Please refrain from promoting any such activity, let alone the suggestion that our membership in general ascribes to such activities.


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[IfritnoItazura]

Although I like the idea of FF11 where I can buy my way to the top easy thru Gilbuying, (YES! I bought Gil before and not afraid to admit it, haven't we all?) it sux you can't do that in WoW.
Nope. Never bought a Gil, ever. I've turned in a few people as RMT's for very suspicious activities on AH, though.

How long do we have to wait before you go away, anyway? You seem rather ill informed and unpleasant, on top of being a cheater and proud of it. :huh:

[Ameroth]

used to have many gilseller friends

Good question, just trying to find any old friends since most of em quit.

Aren't any gil sellers here. Go away.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Maybe its just because I've never been bitten by the "ZOMGmustlevelNOWZ!" bug. I have my grindwhore moments, but there few and far between and I've never seen the need to buy gil. I already pay a monthly fee, which I can deal with, and within this game I earn fake money to buy fake things.

Why would I spend real money to buy these fake things?

If you bought gil to get ahead, you were here for a popularity contest. Congratulations, not only are you a big dork, you wasted hundreds of dollars to be a pseudo-elite dork.

I gotta wonder about the husbands or fathers that have to explain to thier wives about why this charge for funny-money is on the credit card. Billy's textbooks and putting food on the table were less important than getting an epic mount or a Kirin's Osode? Really?

Even if you do have the spare money to blow, damn, that's sad.

[Jarre]

(YES! I bought Gil before and not afraid to admit it, haven't we all?) it sux you can't do that in WoW.

No you will find that 90%+ of people on his forum havn't bought gill. Its cheating, fucks up the economy and is basically for people who are lazy and stupid.

You can't go around in life just paying your way into a job, buying friends etc. because thats what you are doing in game, making someone rich just so you don't have to make an effort to get off your fat arse and do something. You will find in RL going for the easy way out of things will hit you smack in your face and you wont have the experience to know how to deal in a situation, because you took the easy way out and didn't learn or get a benefit from actually doing something yourself, i.e. in this context farm, do quests, missions, etc. to get the gill you needed, nah I'll just buy it and let someone else do it for me.

It is lazy players like yourself that should be banned, and will. SE are makign good efforts to target gill sellers and their buyers, so watch your back the Special Task force will find you.

[Kafeen]

Actually no one ever buys gold in WoW
I LOLed

[Kailea]

Actually no one ever buys gold in WoW because you don't really need a ton of gold to buy anything (mostly everything is Rare/Ex, or Soulbound), gold grows off trees in WoW, the only things worth anything in WoW are the end game gear (all of it is Rare/Ex or Soulbound) and you need to do 20 or 40 man instances to get em (very much like Dynamis). Although I like the idea of FF11 where I can buy my way to the top easy thru Gilbuying, (YES! I bought Gil before and not afraid to admit it, haven't we all?) it sux you can't do that in WoW.



hahahaha you have just show how much you suck...... I have played FFXI since its released in US, and I never once bought gil or items.....

and to correct you, alot of people buy gold in WoW


anyway back onto the main subject..... go back to WoW please

[Shadowneko]

You know what? At the pinicle of the super inflation I spent 3-4 months growing elemental ore, stealing gold beastcoins, farming tree cuttings and killing tigers to get the nely 8 million gil required to buy a Scorp. Harness. I did not buy gill to get there.

If you that stupid that you have to blow RL money on virtual items instead of just putting in the time to get them the legit way you shouldn't be playing MMOs. If you really wana do that why don't you just go play Second Life where the whole business is legal?

[Freedan]

The only thing I like about WoW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2KpA3O_2w

That is all. :biggrin:

[Katashi Takishiro]

Even if you do have the spare money to blow, damn, that's sad.

So very true! I hate RMT's, and the players that support them! Go back to WoW where u belong and leave us alone!

[smurv]

So I'm out in West Suburbia (or however you spell it), trying to do the quests (such as getting drops from the rabbit, or getting to the outpost), but I get my ass handed to me in 5 seconds from any mob other than the bumblebee and the mushroom looking white guys.


Sorry i can't help it... LOL Suburbia, XD "West Sarutabaruta" is the correct term mate lol.

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This is the Official BORING way you level, you join a BORING group, go camp an area, stare at the Game Screen til the 1000000000th mob you kill at that point you fall asleep..... SE made the leveling system obselete compared to WoW.

Oh my lord go kill yourself. It's called an MMORPG that means you can do whatever you want within the realms of Vana'diel or whatever game your playing. Including solo.

WOW is way to easy for me, i need something to challenge me, their gayest choice in graphics was a mistake but to top it off... Nothing is wrong with either games, your the only one making it worse. At an FFXI forum who talks trash on our game and then brags about how WOW this and that... WOW is gay, they give you full quest descriptions, easy leveling, gay graphics for It's childish players.

You've been baby fed way to long, you forgot what a real MMO is like.

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Obselete = obsolete:
1. no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression.
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thousands of players wake up each morning and log into FFXI and fight....

Also swap out "obselete" with abandoned and see how smart you sound.

[gilboy]

I'll be grinding till pigs fly...

[gilboy]

[Moderator's Edit]
I'm actually an RMT and I like to hug big fluffy bunnies and give them nuzzles.

[Murphie]

That sort of suggestion is against the rules of the game, and also this forum. If you're not interested in playing FFXI, then don't play.

edit: Actually, based on his profile, he should probably just be banned.

[WovenDarkness]

That sort of suggestion is against the rules of the game, and also this forum. If you're not interested in playing FFXI, then don't play.



*WINNER*


I'll tell you the best way to level, order a powerleveling service! I know some will hate me, but they are helpful especially in trying to get your Alts updated. I've tried a few services and Mogs is my favorite. Some of the others don't seem to want to ever talk to you.

Well...I don't hate you...but I wouldn't want to do any events in the game with you either. When I hit up a party or a quest/mission, it's easy to see who the players are that don't know what they are doing....I feel like(as ALL of my online friends do...)that I'm dragging you along...and odds are you'll most likely do something to endanger the party/quest/mission, etc. ...continued failure is a great way to earn a very bad reputation, and will subsequently, not get you invited to all of those things that your power leveling your character for.

...but hey, those are just my 2 cents.

...one more thing, which server are you on and what is your character name? I'd like to avoid you if at all possible. :smile: ....though I might sneak/invis up and come and watch you get your party killed off.....repeatedly.

Best of luck.


~WD

[Feenicks]

I'll tell you the best way to level, order a powerleveling service! I know some will hate me, but they are helpful especially in trying to get your Alts updated. I've tried a few services and [removed] is my favorite. Some of the others don't seem to want to ever talk to you.
Alts? What the hell is an Alt and are they in FFXI?

Sounds like an ad to me. *reported*

[IfritnoItazura]

I use "alt" as short for "alternate character". Is it not in common usage?

Anyhow, I reported him as well.

[Kailea]

yes..... if your to lazy to level your characters.... then don't play, go back to WoW or something... or is that game to hard for you? ^.^

[Telera]

Hmm, as others have said, this game is definitely not for you. Levelling in XI, aside from the odd solo job or bomb kiting and other such oddities, is just that. Stand in one camp (move if someone intrudes, or run them out) and kill a string of mobs until you level. I don't agree with the assertions here that that make the levelling any harder or easier, simply different.

Questing for exp can be a horrible grind just as boring and dull as camping here. (Don't believe me? Come hang with me and Beo in Angmar a while, I'll show you.) What you have to decide, I suppose, is if you have the patience, will, and time. FFXI is, by and large, probably one of the most time-sink intensive MMOs on the market. Again, unlike others, I find nothing wrong with the mentality or skills of a person who simply doesn't go in for this kind of thing, just as I find nothing wrong with/better skills in a person who does. It's like music, books, other media; it's highly subjective.

I don't think levelling here requires any more cooperation when you are in a group than in other games. In every party in every kind of online game I've ever played, if you don't work cohesively, it usually ends in massive failure, wipe, repair costs, and whatever else your game impliments to punish failure. Not to mention a very strained atmosphere that is no fun to play in.

In Monster Hunter you get the fool who can't read the wyverns and fails the quest. In PSU you've got an idiot who never uses potions and thinks your mage is a walking battery pack, who then, again (until the patch) killed your rating and your reward. Nevermind people who can't seem to grasp elemental charts. As simple as they are on there. In LotR we had the idiot dwarf who seemed to thinking charging headlong ahead of the group into seven elites in Elendil's Tomb was a Good Idea. After two wipes, repeated remonstrations to him and full, explicit instructions that his ass was to stay put until the tank pulled, he did it again. And then left thinking we were being too harsh. I'm sorry, but my repair bill, along with everyone else's (especially the poor Minstrel's) was piling up and we were tired of dealing with someone who could not perform their job nor work as a group. Thankfully we replaced him with a much more competent and team minded person and got through without major issue afterwards. I did feel bad for the Minstrel, though, and myself, along with the tank and my boyfriend split his repair bill. I had partied with him quite a few times before and he's great at his job. I'm surprised he put up with it so long; I wouldn't have.

But, in short, it reminded me acutely of similar situations in FFXI. It doesn't matter how much 'harder' you think your game is than the 'others', if it's got a good deal of party quests in it, you have to learn to play your job or end up on the ignore lists of everyone at the endgame. That failure of a player we had in Elendil's Tomb? I can bet he was on the list of everyone in our party before the end.

All of that said, FFXI is a very different MMO to the others, and if you enjoy the others, you're very likely not going to like it here. After three years, I had had sufficient of this game, and I quit. I have some good memories of the three years, but I don't think I would ever want to play again. But I would hesitate to call the entire game obsolete as you did (too lazy to go quote fishing). It's simply a very different flavor that you either love or hate. But if you're already this baffled and unhappy, save yourself some trouble and go back to wherever you were enjoying yourself. No game is fun (no matter how easy or hard) if you're simply forcing yourself to keep playing out of stubbornness to give up. I found that out firsthand.

[Lionheart]

yes..... if your to lazy to level your characters.... then don't play, go back to WoW or something... or is that game to hard for you? ^.^

BURN!

[Kailea]

Hmm, as others have said, this game is definitely not for you. Levelling in XI, aside from the odd solo job or bomb kiting and other such oddities, is just that. Stand in one camp (move if someone intrudes, or run them out) and kill a string of mobs until you level. I don't agree with the assertions here that that make the levelling any harder or easier, simply different.
Questing for exp can be a horrible grind just as boring and dull as camping here. (Don't believe me? Come hang with me and Beo in Angmar a while, I'll show you.) What you have to decide, I suppose, is if you have the patience, will, and time. FFXI is, by and large, probably one of the most time-sink intensive MMOs on the market. Again, unlike others, I find nothing wrong with the mentality or skills of a person who simply doesn't go in for this kind of thing, just as I find nothing wrong with/better skills in a person who does. It's like music, books, other media; it's highly subjective.
I don't think levelling here requires any more cooperation when you are in a group than in other games. In every party in every kind of online game I've ever played, if you don't work cohesively, it usually ends in massive failure, wipe, repair costs, and whatever else your game impliments to punish failure. Not to mention a very strained atmosphere that is no fun to play in.
In Monster Hunter you get the fool who can't read the wyverns and fails the quest. In PSU you've got an idiot who never uses potions and thinks your mage is a walking battery pack, who then, again (until the patch) killed your rating and your reward. Nevermind people who can't seem to grasp elemental charts. As simple as they are on there. In LotR we had the idiot dwarf who seemed to thinking charging headlong ahead of the group into seven elites in Elendil's Tomb was a Good Idea. After two wipes, repeated remonstrations to him and full, explicit instructions that his ass was to stay put until the tank pulled, he did it again. And then left thinking we were being too harsh. I'm sorry, but my repair bill, along with everyone else's (especially the poor Minstrel's) was piling up and we were tired of dealing with someone who could not perform their job nor work as a group. Thankfully we replaced him with a much more competent and team minded person and got through without major issue afterwards. I did feel bad for the Minstrel, though, and myself, along with the tank and my boyfriend split his repair bill. I had partied with him quite a few times before and he's great at his job. I'm surprised he put up with it so long; I wouldn't have.
But, in short, it reminded me acutely of similar situations in FFXI. It doesn't matter how much 'harder' you think your game is than the 'others', if it's got a good deal of party quests in it, you have to learn to play your job or end up on the ignore lists of everyone at the endgame. That failure of a player we had in Elendil's Tomb? I can bet he was on the list of everyone in our party before the end.
All of that said, FFXI is a very different MMO to the others, and if you enjoy the others, you're very likely not going to like it here. After three years, I had had sufficient of this game, and I quit. I have some good memories of the three years, but I don't think I would ever want to play again. But I would hesitate to call the entire game obsolete as you did (too lazy to go quote fishing). It's simply a very different flavor that you either love or hate. But if you're already this baffled and unhappy, save yourself some trouble and go back to wherever you were enjoying yourself. No game is fun (no matter how easy or hard) if you're simply forcing yourself to keep playing out of stubbornness to give up. I found that out firsthand.


wait wait what patch for PSU, what did that change about mission.. I just started playing PSU on the side (had some charaters from day 1) and have not played with others online since I have been back?

(hate to derail but) ;p

[Telera]

So far as I can tell, death no longer lowers your ranking. NPC or PC. So instead of tossing 10 scape dolls at everything, you're tossing 10 Moons/Moon X's at it. :p And Giresta actually has a use now.

Unless they changed it back in recent months, I haven't played in about two months. But last I was on, death didn't matter. Most people were still responsible, but naturally it bred idiots that think they can just die and expect their team to repeatedly revive them.

[Kailea]

So far as I can tell, death no longer lowers your ranking. NPC or PC. So instead of tossing 10 scape dolls at everything, you're tossing 10 Moons/Moon X's at it. :p And Giresta actually has a use now.
Unless they changed it back in recent months, I haven't played in about two months. But last I was on, death didn't matter. Most people were still responsible, but naturally it bred idiots that think they can just die and expect their team to repeatedly revive them.


oh cool thanks for the info ^.^ I am still waiting for the expansion.

anyway, gilboy needs to learn that you cant throw money at everything ;p Try doing things for yourself.

[Dymlos]

Yea, once the expansion comes out, I'll play PSU again. Too bad my char is most likely deleted and I have to start from scratch. :(