COR + BRD in same party

[Amarok]

I'm busy lvling my COR25/RNG12 atm, my RNG is 75 and has full marksmanship merits so I'm keen to stick with COR/RNG throughout its lvling life. My wife's BRD is 37 currently and I should catch her up in a week or so.

Considering my COR will be as heavy DD as i can make it (bullets and best gear for marksmanship + AGI etc), and my wifes BRD would always be /WHM, would these 2 support type jobs be welcome in xp parties lvl 37+?

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[Mythos]

I don't see why not. Of course, you'll still want a main healer (WHM, or RDM), but that still leaves three more slots for other jobs.

[Kuro]

I've had some stupidly good COR + BRD partys, the BRD has very good melee buffs, and with the cor's speciality buffs liek double attack + they get just so much stronger!

then theres the MP the 1 mage will be gettign, if its a rdm just insane amounts on MP/tick!

[Feba]

I'd prefer a COR OR BRD + RDM, RDMs are just able to bring a little bit more to the table. I'd think a COR+BRD+WHM party would be a little low on healing and damage, compared to a BRD+RDM+WHM or COR+RDM+WHM party. That said, multiple support jobs in a party is incredibly awesome. Every time I've had an RDM and BRD in the same party it was awesome.

Although my favorite party was still WAR WAR THF NIN BLM BRD, that's off topic.

[Zempten]

COR, BRD, WHM, NIN, WAR, and NIN is like the best you can get with a COR.

Specific Double Attack & Critical Hit Rate Up Rolls (corresponding to the WAR and THF) for melees and Evoker's and Healer's Roll for the WHM by the COR.

Elegy, Attack, and Accuracy Songs by BRD.

NIN for your enfeebles.

[Omni]

who wouldnt want a brd + cor pt? add an rdm and its pretty much unfair for the mob.

later in the game you'll need to consider whos going to pull. if you're staying with /rng then your wife might want to have /nin ready so she can pull otherwise it can be a little rough pulling with /whm.

[Sevv]

Double Attack Roll + Attack Roll + Minuet + March = <3

[Tokitoki]

Rogue's (crit) + Fighter's (DA) + Min + March > your stupid attack roll!

[Callisto]

The sexiest merit party I've ever had was RDM/DRK(me), COR/RNG, BRD/WHM, SMN/WHM, and 2 WAR/NINs. At one point we hit 12-13/tick refresh, usually we had 9-10/tick, it was a blast, and the XP was nuts.

[Sevv]

we had a drk in the pt tho so chaos rolls has that bonus effect lol. basically march+ min or minx2 = great so add any extra rolls on it and how can it not fail lol

[KoukiRyu]

I had a low level pt like this the other day on my BRD, from 26-29, and it was awesome. We rarely had to stop, we had a BLM main heal, lol...he was actually amazing, he nuked, and healed and was almost always at good mp. It was great having 4 buffs at a time, and we got great exp. So I'd welcome having both in the pt, you'd have to be made of pure fail to mess up a party like that.

[wrongfeifong]

try cor/whm +brd/whm and either 4x of any DD (mnk, nin, war. bst....etc) for TP burn. It would be pretty amazing. If you both have alot +MP stuff and being a taru. (having like 250s each around 60).

[Richie]

Cor brd rdm nin war sam? You would get the full benefits from both the Samurai's roll and Fighter's roll, the TP gain would be pretty huge. Of course fighter's roll isn't until 49. RDM is probably not needed over whm. W/e Job can haste imo.

[wrongfeifong]

i rather get smn over rdm most of the time. RDm just doesn't brother to haste. Cor have smn bons in +1 mp every roll on evoker roll. While if you have a good smn with fenrir and diablo, you will do alot better then having a rdm if healing is not require much.

I never really pt with smn beyond 55+ before and i heard fenrir will have ACC+ bonus @ 56.

Also I like double-atk + Critical rate-up + madrigal + march better....

[Mythos]

i rather get smn over rdm most of the time. RDm just doesn't brother to haste.Um, wut?

Cor have smn bons in +1 mp every roll on evoker roll. While if you have a good smn with fenrir and diablo, you will do alot better then having a rdm if healing is not require much.Um, wut?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Rogue's (crit) + Fighter's (DA) + Min + March > your stupid attack roll!

Depends on who's in PT. WARs are generally a given in most merit PT setups so Fighter's Roll isn't a hard choice, but without THF for Rouge or DRK for Chaos Roll, its generally not as good as it could be. Chaos Roll is insanely good for most PTs when the DRK is there. Laughing off Chaos Roll + DRK is just a foolish as underestimating the power of Minuets (which players still sadly do).

try cor/whm +brd/whm and either 4x of any DD (mnk, nin, war. bst....etc) for TP burn. It would be pretty amazing. If you both have alot +MP stuff and being a taru. (having like 250s each around 60).

Who pulls? You're advocating a roaming PT, which is possible, but not practical in a competitive camp.

Worse is you're telling the top to merit pullers in the game to team up to make one gimped Pink Mage. COR and BRD with /WHM should be the very last two jobs you look at for healing. They're great for stepping up and taking over on status cures for a main healer and spot cures, but that's about it, its a disservice to the talents of both jobs to make them primary healers.

Could it work? Sure, it can work, but not everyone is pro at counting shadows and that makes /WHM hard on the user.

Jobx4... with a COR... I shouldn't have to tell you how wrong that is (and not in a good way). x4 anything is pretty mudane and thoughtless as it is, but you should be giving COR two jobs to play off of, not one. The more diverse the better, usuall. Give me four different melees so I can really make it cook, not just the banal WAR or MNKx4.

[wrongfeifong]

Sorry to tell you Omgwtfbbqkitten, it works. Because i tried it. Who pulling ? the fighters of course. It doesn't take a cor/nin to pull. In a party of war/nin x4. Either 1 war could pull, what they do during pull anyway ? nothing. If it is a mnk/ninx4 or drg/nin x4 i will pull and do rotation healing with the brd. But there is NO excuse for war, drk, sam, thf without range and if they /nin they are better puller then corsair.(Don't tell me because they all have bomb core) Tell me what make corsair better puller then a war/nin if both have ranged attack? When corsair have to buff and constantly checking timers.

Half of the corsair think they are puller, but not me, i never thought corsair as puller, i enjoy my /rng and even /rng if you ask a taru /rng to pull, you are telling me i should die. If i have to keep 4 buff up without Effect wore off middle of the fight and pull + DD and debuff ? Please kill me already.

Anyway, I don't know how long you haven't pt but on asura, 4x same class TP burn are very common and widely used for 50-70 @least as far as i been in every group.

[nazlfrag]

brd+cor+rdm makes an insane unstoppable killing machine. It's a blast. I'm sure it can work many ways, but that's how I've experienced cor+brd in a party and it was a memorable occasion.

[Legal Fish]

Brd Brd Cor > Brd Cor Rdm

[Tokitoki]

Depends on who's in PT. WARs are generally a given in most merit PT setups so Fighter's Roll isn't a hard choice, but without THF for Rouge or DRK for Chaos Roll, its generally not as good as it could be. Chaos Roll is insanely good for most PTs when the DRK is there. Laughing off Chaos Roll + DRK is just a foolish as underestimating the power of Minuets (which players still sadly do).

That's great with the insults and all, but did you realize he didn't say there was a DRK in the PT? Maybe before you call someone foolish (even if you feel it is a nice way of putting it) you should go back and looka t what has been said.

Personally, I would rather have the crits. Crit merits, DEX on TP gain, and a WS that has a crit mod are all being helped by the Rogue's Roll. Since the majority of my PTs involve 2 or more WARs (including myself) the benefit to Rampage and general DoT from the extra crit% would help more than the extra attack from Chaos Roll, especially if it is a low number. Even with a low number on Rogue's roll you can still get a 5% crit boost that will make more of a difference than 20 attack.

[Shadowneko]

I got a party with both a bard and a corsair in it once! Totall awesome since I had free cabuncle with Balad and the corsiars roll as summoner....I was actually gaining MP with carbuncle out XD

[Richie]

i rather get smn over rdm most of the time. RDm just doesn't brother to haste.

I guess I wasn't clear, I'll make the correction.

A good red mage*

Why would anyone put up with a rdm that doesn't haste especially if his only refresh is on himself?

[Legal Fish]

I haste and refresh everyone if they are decent. I'll even both Haste and Refresh PLDs and BLUs(and DRKs when their MP falls below 25%) if there is a WHM in my party.

Anyone who has trouble with haste and refresh cycles is seriously mentally retarded, and managing MP as a RDM isn't hard at all. Until I tried it, I would always hear "RDM is the hardest job is the hardest job in the game". So far, it's been easier than BLM, considering I don't have to manage my hate.

[Omni]

Since when do ppl underestimate the power of minuets? Considering that's the most played song out of a brd's horn for melee.

I'll have to agree on the +crit %. a nin or mnk having 15-17% crit is just something i'd rather not pass over. even its at the cost of 20-30 atk. Crits are the way to bring those jins and a.fists to the insane numbers they can hit.

[WishMaster3K]

I'd be scared to see AFist on an All Critical spamgasm. Granted no hits missing.

Just give me Refresh and keep my melee happy, and I'll be a content tank.

If they can't perform those two functions, they're not worth their data in microchips.

[Tokitoki]

Weaponskills that don't have a TP Crit mod cant critical, so Asuran Fists can't crit. That's what everyone says at least.

But it certainly helps Jin and Rampage.

[Menelaus]

I was in a bard + Cor out at the oasis in East Altep as my thf and everytime i went to pull i would glance down at the MP and be like wtf? It was constantly full (except for the pld) who was tarutaru and due to the frequent pulling was empty most the time. I am lvling cor and rng along side my thf I cant wait till i get some of the cool rolls past 40.
Oh i did a merit pty with brd war war mnk rng pld did double paeon the whole time and managed to break chain 40 even with my crappy elvaan MP.

[Sevv]

That's great with the insults and all, but did you realize he didn't say there was a DRK in the PT? Maybe before you call someone foolish (even if you feel it is a nice way of putting it) you should go back and looka t what has been said.
Personally, I would rather have the crits. Crit merits, DEX on TP gain, and a WS that has a crit mod are all being helped by the Rogue's Roll. Since the majority of my PTs involve 2 or more WARs (including myself) the benefit to Rampage and general DoT from the extra crit% would help more than the extra attack from Chaos Roll, especially if it is a low number. Even with a low number on Rogue's roll you can still get a 5% crit boost that will make more of a difference than 20 attack.


He is right I didn't say I had a dark in the party.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Personally, I would rather have the crits. Crit merits, DEX on TP gain, and a WS that has a crit mod are all being helped by the Rogue's Roll. Since the majority of my PTs involve 2 or more WARs (including myself) the benefit to Rampage and general DoT from the extra crit% would help more than the extra attack from Chaos Roll, especially if it is a low number. Even with a low number on Rogue's roll you can still get a 5% crit boost that will make more of a difference than 20 attack.

That's great, I wasn't talking about your PTs. If catered exclusively to WARs, I'd be a terrible BRD and COR for doing so. I look at the whole setup of melee and then evaluate my buffs before going. I'm not there to poll you on what you meritted, nor do I care.

See, what I hate about merit PTs is everyone talks about it like its some science, but then they ask for the bare minimum from BRD and COR and don't want to try anything different. You want the +Crits? Get me a THF, they won't slow us down at all and it will be even better, I promise. THF in PT is +6% more crits than just rolling Rouge's without.

Overall, I want jobs that give bonuses to my buffs. Its not a hard concept to grasp.

Since when do ppl underestimate the power of minuets? Considering that's the most played song out of a brd's horn for melee.

Um, just about every BRD I've PTed with underestimates or underplays minuets. Maybe its just something in the water on Titan, but I hardly see it. BRD gets them merits, that's all they know, so they'll just spam March x2 on all the melee without considering the job. Its driven my RNG to /WAR + meat in merits because the best it gets for me with these Tards is Prelude.