Well... I did it!

[NicasinXS]

Yay for me I did it!

I had to make this thread cuz I cant double post or add a post edit to my last post in the thread "Super Mercs needed" in which merc wasn't meant in a negative way yet was taken so by a couple of naysayers. :lipseal:

Anyway I paid for, bought the triggers for Genbu, omg!! Then I offered free lots on non aquarians and good times for all and got 10 buddies in all to help me out. They were in it for the fun. We were a success and I got the Zmitts I was after, a buddy got a vclaw and another got a nice helm, all very nice to me. My Mab ranges from +43-66 given conditions now, non magic burst. :thumbsup:

It was a shot in the dark but I totally pulled of getting the desired blm Z brand gloves and no hnmls was needed. Im out 800k for Zmitts, and up 800k for the Genie Manillas I can sell now, fair trade. Genbu was a fun kill though I admit im no pro at fighting that turtle, I got squished with one blow through my stoneskin for a minor nuke, or a stun at one point.:wasted:

I think it would be cool if more people sold sky triggers in bazaar land outside Lower Jueno on Seraph, I would be down to kill more gods that way, until I start running around up there getting them myself with a large group. :cool:

Hnmls aren't so much a requirement for killing things that can be triggered with buyable items. People should'nt be scolded for trying or advertising ideas for new ways to do things, or any was of doing anything that isn't norm but still possible. :vent: Friends can help. My previous thread was a testing of waters on generating conversation or ideas, and didnt go anywhere ohwell. Perhap tossing around gil figures is not so healthy idk. I toss them around in game so much I wouldn't know cuz it feels good to roll gil to me.

I want to start a new hnmls with these people after the experience I had with the group I was with, or atleast join them if any of them start one up. They got more connections than me, also they are not negatively obsessed, which I like.

Anyway I just wanted to share this experience with whomever is watching. Any posts regarding trigger selling, ideas, or information/stories on anything related is welcome.

[Malacite]

You're aware that a lot of people who sell triggers are RMT right? And you can almost always find them there, I happen accross them a lot.

I"m not saying no honest people sell them, but it's a pretty big source of income for RMT if/when ppl stoop to buying it ><

[Sevv]

Yay for me I did it!
YAY FOR YOU BEING A COMPLETE WASTE!!!!! And Yay for me getting a temp ban from this probably!


I had to make this thread cuz I cant double post or add a post edit to my last post in the thread "Super Mercs needed" in which merc wasn't meant in a negative way yet was taken so by a couple of naysayers. :lipseal:
It is a negative way you just want rewards for doing no work. You want people to give to you and you give them nothing. There is reasons people do sky/sea/dynamis, hell i don't get drops for ages but i'm willing to help others. So i guess you just a selfish bastard.


Anyway I paid for, bought the triggers for Genbu, omg!!

NICE!!!! Go buying pop items from the rmt, Good to see they made their gil back once you purchased gil from IGE. Ya it's OMG your probably one of those kids who buys gil and complains the rmts are around, but you have no problem supporting them.

Then I offered free lots on non aquarians and good times for all and got 10 buddies in all to help me out. They were in it for the fun.

So you took your extra gil, and paid people to help because you have no friends, and probably a shitty rep to not get into a ls, or did you just pay a rmt ls for items. Ya its always "friends" until you we find out you rmt'ed em

We were a success and I got the Zmitts I was after, a buddy got a vclaw and another got a nice helm, all very nice to me.

I had hoped you would wipe then complain damn, worest pair of Z mitts ever btw.

My Mab ranges from +43-66 given conditions now, non magic burst. :thumbsup:

He means his IGE buying power ranges from +43-66 given the current sales.


It was a shot in the dark but I totally pulled of getting the desired blm Z brand gloves and no hnmls was needed.

Ya you pulled off buying sky gear... OMG ITS AMAZING!!! You did what the outcasts of servers do rmt gear!!!! Your so AMAZING I WISH I WAS YOU!


Im out 800k for Zmitts, and up 800k for the Genie Manillas I can sell now, fair trade. Genbu was a fun kill though I admit im no pro at fighting that turtle, I got squished with one blow through my stoneskin for a minor nuke, or a stun at one point.:wasted:

Your a Level 75 Noob with IGE gear maybe a purchased account, your a fricken joke.


I think it would be cool if more people sold sky triggers in bazaar land outside Lower Jueno on Seraph, I would be down to kill more gods that way, until I start running around up there getting them myself with a large group. :cool:

Ya more people selling pop items just means you have more RMTS. RMTS sell pop items you idiot. Seriously DIAF (to use a feba line)


Hnmls aren't so much a requirement for killing things that can be triggered with buyable items. People should'nt be scolded for trying or advertising ideas for new ways to do things, or any was of doing anything that isn't norm but still possible. :vent: Friends can help.[/quotes]

Well part of that is true like shen etc but when you have to HIRE people to fight for you thats NOT FRIENDS YOU IDIOT. If you had gone with friends no post would have been needed, I know plenty of social ls who do sky for member gear no hnmls about it. The reason your so against them is because your probably a lolblm who got rejected by everyone on the server so you buy your r/e gear.

[QUOTE=NicasinXS;708260] My previous thread was a testing of waters on generating conversation or ideas, and didnt go anywhere ohwell. Perhap tossing around gil figures is not so healthy idk. I toss them around in game so much I wouldn't know cuz it feels good to roll gil to me.

It would if you were an honest player and to brag you have gil that you buy from IGE isn't a smart thing to do. I mean seriously.

I want to start a new hnmls with these people after the experience I had with the group I was with, or atleast join them if any of them start one up. They got more connections than me, also they are not negatively obsessed, which I like.[QUOTE=NicasinXS;708260]

GO GO RMT HNMLS were you pay your ls to get you gear all right!


[QUOTE=NicasinXS;708260]Anyway I just wanted to share this experience with whomever is watching. Any posts regarding trigger selling, ideas, or information/stories on anything related is welcome.

YOUR A JOKE GTFO.





Oh and to admins if you want to ban me for saying what most of this board is thinking then go ahead ill take it, because i stand by gaming morals. Oh and if you thinking about deleting this post then you are allowing a person to talk about TOS breeches, selling of r/e sky gear is a breech of TOS now, to help the RMT task force.

[NicasinXS]

You're aware that a lot of people who sell triggers are RMT right? And you can almost always find them there, I happen accross them a lot.

I"m not saying no honest people sell them, but it's a pretty big source of income for RMT if/when ppl stoop to buying it ><

I never thought of that, but the people I bought them from didn't seem RMT to me. I certainly dont want to support RMT cuz they are a mind sore. The real money trading people dont really factor in to me so much cuz im lvl 100 alchemy yada yada and make gil at a good pace. I let the AH do my work for me^^.

If I were an RMT I would take those triggers and then spawn the god and sell the higher priced craft item instead. At the rate of 300k a pop item is worth more than the average total god drops so I can see how it is bad to pay so much now that you bring that up. Thanks for the advice, I dont want to help them. If I get them for less then 200k then it is more worth it for them traders to spawn gods for thier gil instead. That way I will lessen the chance of feeding a money trader perhaps. It will only be worth me buying them for way less now anyway cuz theres nothing I was so willing to splurge for up there then the Mitts I got yesterday.

To me, stooping is running around the sky on days you dont want to to rack up points to eventually power up. Sky is fun, but not every day for me.


Wow SevIfrit you are a crazy person. I am an honest player now go to the final fantasy auction site and check some of my seller mules out. Hardway - Ownmind are only 2 of my 6 main sellers, on Seraph server. There is your proof I am an honest seller. If you were to see my main character you would see in my last 255 sales several gold bar stacks and rr earrings and stuff like that. On the side I farm clusters. You dont need to cry everytime you meet a non RMT normal non gil buying player that is good with gil that and yell RMT RMT. You are a close minded fool! Sevifrit you cry cuz you cant do it yourself, so you think nobody else can and blame other poeple, poor Sevifrit.

[silentsteel]

I say lock this now before it gets even more outa hand...

Edit: & personally I'm not surprised Sev is acting like that, the way it sounds is that first, you would rather just pay for things than earn them the hard way(not saying that alch to 100 isnt a hard way), and second that you might mooch off people, just my take on this.

[NicasinXS]

I say lock this now before it gets even more outa hand...

Why should it get locked just because Sevifrit leaves and angry missguided post? Its not like hes right. The guys just a flaming jerk. I am not the only person no my server that self generates gil. How do you think RMTers make gil anyway, they farm, they craft, they make gil, then they sell the gil or get paid by there bosses for what they get. With me I do the same thing but I keep my gil and I play for fun at home. Again see the seller mules i listed above at the Auction site for a fraction of serious proof on how much gil I pull with my crafts. Also I farm clusters and those make mad profit. Grow up people.

Also why is it considered "paying" when I worked for that gil sitting there crafting for hours. Why, I DID work for it, crafting and farming is not nothing, it takes work. So what do you have to say now Sevifrit?

[Sevv]

Wow SevIfrit you are a crazy person. I am an honest player now go to the final fantasy auction site and check some of my seller mules out. Hardway - Ownmind are only 2 of my 6 main sellers, on Seraph server. There is your proof I am an honest seller. If you were to see my main character you would see in my last 255 sales several gold bar stacks and rr earrings and stuff like that. On the side I farm clusters. You dont need to cry everytime you meet a non RMT normal non gil buying player that is good with gil that and yell RMT RMT. You are a close minded fool! Sevifrit you cry cuz you cant do it yourself, so you think nobody else can and blame other poeple, poor Sevifrit.


I cry because your just another punk ass who has to pay his way because you lack skill/friends/compassion to not be a whiney lil bish. Hey guess what people who buy gil from IGE can use the ah too just because you have mules you sell gear on or you do nothing but bazaar doesn't stop the fact you had to BUY sky gear. Then give us your main character name, why wont you because you know if gets out you buy sky gear your done. I yell rmt because you PAID FOR SKY GEAR, not because you have gil, I don't know what your bank is. Lol i have plenty of gil i don't buy it and i don't buy sky items. I have probably done more/helped more people in this game do more things then you will ever read about so, because you fail and buy gear, I'm close minded because its wrong. LMAO Sad. Oh seriously I could go buy tons of rmt gear, hell a good amount of ifrit has/does/will even tho i moved to kujata. I have had close to 97M sitting on my main before so gil isn't an issue. Oh and I work for my gear, by helping people and when the ls ldr says it is my turn for an item that when I get it, i don't cry and suck off rmts for my gear.

[Sevv]

Why should it get locked just because Sevifrit leaves and angry missguided post? Its not like hes right. The guys just a flaming jerk. I am not the only person no my server that self generates gil. How do you think RMTers make gil anyway, they farm, they craft, they make gil, then they sell the gil or get paid by there bosses for what they get. With me I do the same thing but I keep my gil and I play for fun at home. Again see the seller mules i listed above at the Auction site for a fraction of serious proof on how much gil I pull with my crafts. Also I farm clusters and those make mad profit. Grow up people.
Also why is it considered "paying" when I worked for that gil sitting there crafting for hours. Why, I DID work for it, crafting and farming is not nothing, it takes work. So what do you have to say now Sevifrit?


My post wasn't misguided You broke the TOS under the rmt clause they implmented due to RMT sellin R/E. So You would be labeled RMT.

Ya I'm not right thats been posted before as well about someone buying gear, and it being from rmts, ya he admitted it over on bg the other day you can go look at cross server apps for that.

Rmts make gil and sell it yes some buy crafting and selling on the ah, which is what you do right lol? So that comment just fails.

SO you are an rmt but horde gil, so you have no fun and do nothing but make money?

Dude anyone can sell things on their mules also only do the last what 10? transactions.

MAD PROFIT YO! 400-500k/time you spent farming = GIL OVA TIME YO ITS MAD!

YOU WORKED TO MAKE GIL, YOU DIDN'T WORK TO BETTER ANYONE TO GET GEAR THE ONLY PEOPLE YOU BETTERED ARE THE PEOPLE YOU HAD TO PAY FOR GEAR. YOUR STORY IS WEAK AND YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR ITEMS BECAUSE YOU LACK

SKILL/FRIENDS/GOOD REP/COMPASSION

go play a single player game you can plug in a game shark and not have to work for anything either.

[NicasinXS]

I cry because your just another punk ass who has to pay his way because you lack skill/friends/compassion to not be a whiney lil bish. Hey guess what people who buy gil from IGE can use the ah too just because you have mules you sell gear on or you do nothing but bazaar doesn't stop the fact you had to BUY sky gear. Then give us your main character name, why wont you because you know if gets out you buy sky gear your done. I yell rmt because you PAID FOR SKY GEAR, not because you have gil, I don't know what your bank is. Lol i have plenty of gil i don't buy it and i don't buy sky items. I have probably done more/helped more people in this game do more things then you will ever read about so, because you fail and buy gear, I'm close minded because its wrong. LMAO Sad. Oh seriously I could go buy tons of rmt gear, hell a good amount of ifrit has/does/will even tho i moved to kujata. I have had close to 97M sitting on my main before so gil isn't an issue. Oh and I work for my gear, by helping people and when the ls ldr says it is my turn for an item that when I get it, i don't cry and suck off rmts for my gear.

I agree with you that it is way nicer to run in a sky hnmls that I dont have the RL time to sacrifice for. That is why I conived my venture with my friends. You are wrong they my friends arent my friends cuz I let them free lot stuff, I offered that. I am glad to hook up my friends and they are my friends cuz I have chatted with them and done stuff with them for up to 3 years. So I dont understand your idea of a friend though you dont really know what you are talking about becuase you dont understand the full scope of how I play. I can tell this becuase you are still claiming I buy gil. I wont give my main character name because of people like you whom crusade under banners of idiocracy. Anyways I have 6 questions for you Sev.

1. Why is it RMT gear for buying the pops when SE makes them sellable?
2. If that is such a problem why dont you complain to SE?
3. How did I not work for it when I worked my but off farming clusters and doing alchemy and goldsmithing for the gil which takes alot of time. Also plannnin the event?
4. How are my friends not my friends becuase they accepted chances for gear from me? Note that none of them were asking for anything specific and none cared if they got anything, were there to help me?
5. Do you ever admit when your wrong?
6. Do you think that SE should ban people from going to sky whom are not in an hnmls like you?

[NicasinXS]

[double post mistake

[neighbortaru]

Sev calm down please. Although the OP did buy the triggers, he only did so with in-game currency (unless he's leaving something out). This is perfectly legal under the TOS.

Yes, there is a very likely chance that that gil ended up being funneled to a gil-selling/RMT organization, but you also run that risk by buying items on the AH.

Now if you want to take issue with the OP being "lazy" and buying (with in-game currency) his accomplishments, that's fine. Just do it in a mature, non-offensive manner.

[Sevv]

I agree with you that it is way nicer to run in a sky hnmls that I dont have the RL time to sacrifice for. That is why I conived my venture with my friends. You are wrong they my friends arent my friends cuz I let them free lot stuff, I offered that. I am glad to hook up my friends and they are my friends cuz I have chatted with them and done stuff with them for up to 3 years. So I dont understand your idea of a friend though you dont really know what you are talking about becuase you dont understand the full scope of how I play. I can tell this becuase you are still claiming I buy gil. I wont give my main character name because of people like you whom crusade under bannders of idiocracy. Anyways I have 5 questions for you Sev.
1. Why is it RMT gear for buying the drops when SE makes them sellable?
They are not sellable the tags are on the for R/E the gear that is which can not be sold. Also the pop items are not "sellable" if they were they would have a spot on the ah. Anything not sanctioned to sell over the ah is basically like black market in this game. You have heard of that right, or you under the impression that its ok to sell SSI# Greencards? They are able to be traded so that one person doesn't always need be there.


2. If that is such a problem why dont you complain to SE?

People did this and thats why you now get banned for selling/buying of sky gear, under the new rmt policy. So again either learn the game or pull your head up from the Rmts lap.


3. How did I not work for it when I worked my but off farming clusters and doing alchemy and goldsmithing for the gil which takes alot of time. Also plannnin the event?

You worked for your self, you really don't understand the point of a ls and hnmls. You are just a greedy fuk looking to only better himself. Endgame isn't about bettering your self you idiot, its about beating the challenges of sky (not that its hard)/ sea/ hnms/ etc and better your ls (family/friends) as a whole.

Cool i can set up a buying time with people ima pay 2.

Hi2u RMTS ill pay you for A Hand Abj!
5 百萬gil 讚成
All right!
上午6:00 東部以gil 在genbu

Wow look you just got your a hands.


4. How are my friends not my friends becuase they accepted chances for gear from me? Note that none of them were asking for anything specific and none cared if they got anything, were there to help me?
Hard pressed to even come with this when you were actively trying to hire people.


5. Do you ever admit when your wrong?
prove me wrong and you can find out right now your just a piece of shit greedy kid who paid Rmts to get your A hands.

[Cutie]

So all of you are saying that any Sky/HNMLS/person that buys triggers for gods are supporting the RMT? If that is supporting RMTs then S.E. should make the triggers R/EX. Cause right now they can be bazaared.

Not everyone who sells something high priced is an RMT. I onno how you guys see it on your servers. But you can point them out on Leviathan.

A guy went and bought the triggers to get something he wanted, instead of joining a Sky LS and waiting a year for his hands.

SO WHAT! That makes him a bad person? I don't see how. I guess I will never see it. I have bought triggers for my Sky LS before. I have sold triggers for my Sky LS before. Guess that makes me bad too. OH WELL!

[NicasinXS]

Sev calm down please. Although the OP did buy the triggers, he only did so with in-game currency (unless he's leaving something out). This is perfectly legal under the TOS.

Yes, there is a very likely chance that that gil ended up being funneled to a gil-selling/RMT organization, but you also run that risk by buying items on the AH.

Now if you want to take issue with the OP being "lazy" and buying (with in-game currency) his accomplishments, that's fine. Just do it in a mature, non-offensive manner.

Yea I am a lazy mage. I do hard work so I can be lazy.

I grinded my blm up to 75 so i can kill alone withough making merit parties.

I kept my old friends so making new ones is really easy whenever I return to the game after my periodic leaves. Once I left the game (I thought I was quiting) and gave away every non rare-ex I had (about 30 million in gil worth of items) so you can imagine there are people out there whom have no problem helping besides my regular chat friends. I do have a play ethic, I am not a greedy gil monger.

I grinded up alchemy to 100 and several other crafts to 50-60 so making gil would be easy and not take too much work. (seriously - I dont like rmt either) Crafting for gil is like rolling a snowball, you have gil you spend some then you sell what you make and the return is bigger. YOu rinse and repeat throught all the different things you make and eventually you got extra gil you don't need for profiting then you can buy something to power up. Im not uber rich like a sky captain, I just happen to be at a point where the only AH buyable stuff I need for now is gotten or not so needed. I stopped doing engame activities awhile back to get my missions and crafting out of the way. Now that thats almost done I will actually have the time to to engame runs. I have friends in several different hnmls and have many options. When I do start that I will be totally done with AH gear and CoP - Zilart missions. Also I will be able to make gil If I ever need to.

And I use the resources at hand to get what I want and I would like to state that most of my gear is rare ex, Yigit, sorcerer's and must be worked for. I bought the cursed mitts in AH and I paid for the pops for Genbu and planned the fight with friends. Also not that the group I was with was testing the waters on seeing if we could make an hnmls so I may have been helping to create for myself an environment for "honest" sky culling. Actually the only MaB gear I have that costed anything was my Igqira weskit, the Genie manillas, and the HQ staves I got. All else is rare ex. Those gloves come from a famous bonecrafter on my server that is an acquantance. I have been playing this game for over 3 years, I have ran with hnmls, dynamis, and put out tons of help just like the next guy.

So yes I do cut corners where I can, and Im glad to do so. I deserve it after all the work I put in to being able to.

Oh and Sev, I can prove you are wrong by the fact the you use so many obsenities and it is wellknown in normal life that people whom are using obsenities are non rational. You are obviously using your emotions too much in thought, your mind is shut closed and blinded by your ignorant rage/angst.

[Sevv]

So all of you are saying that any Sky/HNMLS/person that buys triggers for gods are supporting the RMT?

If you want to go into to the ethics of the actions yes. If your buying pop items for sky then their is over a 90% chance your buying from rmts.

If that is supporting RMTs then S.E. should make the triggers R/EX. Cause right now they can be bazaared.
He was talking about the legitimacy of the ah, yes they can be bazaared never said they couldn't. Again for the 100th time They are not R/E due to the fact S-E wanted them to be tradeable. Also Rmt in sky is a semi new venture in view of the whole time line.


Not everyone who sells something high priced is an RMT. I onno how you guys see it on your servers. But you can point them out on Leviathan.

When did i say he sold something high priced? I stated rmt not because he is a crafter but due to his actions which are deemed "rmt" activites by buying sky gear. And yes you can tell some of the rmts usually the ones in sky, if they name a normal mule you wouldn't know. And seriously ya he is gonna come on saying "ORZ I PAID RMTS FOR POP ITEMS AND GOT MY MITTS".

A guy went and bought the triggers to get something he wanted, instead of joining a Sky LS and waiting a year for his hands.

Again his greed was it the first post he was hiring people to do this for him, he didn't just buy the pop items he hired people to kill shit for him. That makes him lazy and greedy no matter how you look at it.

SO WHAT! That makes him a bad person? I don't see how. I guess I will never see it.

Read up, and if you don't understand how feeding the rmts gil hurts the game then seriously think about it. AH is russian roulette but people need food/sellables. No one needs to buy pop items, they drop in sky from killing mobs its lazy and you support rmts. Its like having a bottle of water a foot from yours house for 3 dollars but the money goes to terrorist/abortions/something that hurts everyone, or having a legit stand 100 feet away that supports your local community and donating your money to the stand outside because your lazy.

I have bought triggers for my Sky LS before. I have sold triggers for my Sky LS before. Guess that makes me bad too. OH WELL!

If you have had to buy triggers for your sky ls before, You guys are doing it wrong.
If you sold triggers for your sky ls before your full ls must be 100% geared up otherwise you just put greed before members needs.

[Feba]

Sev: STFU.
Lazy guy: GTFO.
Thread: DIAF.

[silentsteel]

Yea I am a lazy mage. I do hard work so I can be lazy.

Ummm... No, just no, That right there sounds almost like "I work hard so I can buy Gil" That's not what you're saying I know, but its in the same league.

I grinded my blm up to 75 so i can kill alone withough making merit parties. Good for you, that is quite an accomplishment, still no reason to be lazy though.

Once I left the game (I thought I was quiting) and gave away every non rare-ex I had (about 30 million in gil worth of items) so you can imagine there are people out there whom have no problem helping besides my regular chat friends. Sounds like you bought most the people who help you. =/


Ok, I admit that I wrote those without reading the whole post, now I have, but still, Cutting Corners is pretty much Cheating other people out of the work they've done. You can rationalize it all you want, doesn't change it at all.

Also, I've been talking to Sev, he's talking like that to get his point across. =p

[neighbortaru]

unless someone can offer up solid proof (link to POL or one of those task force announcements), selling of Sky stuff for in-game currency is not against TOS.

let's not start stupid rumors here.

[NicasinXS]

If you want to go into to the ethics of the actions yes. If your buying pop items for sky then their is over a 90% chance your buying from rmts.


He was talking about the legitimacy of the ah, yes they can be bazaared never said they couldn't. Again for the 100th time They are not R/E due to the fact S-E wanted them to be tradeable. Also Rmt in sky is a semi new venture in view of the whole time line.




When did i say he sold something high priced? I stated rmt not because he is a crafter but due to his actions which are deemed "rmt" activites by buying sky gear. And yes you can tell some of the rmts usually the ones in sky, if they name a normal mule you wouldn't know. And seriously ya he is gonna come on saying "ORZ I PAID RMTS FOR POP ITEMS AND GOT MY MITTS".



Again his greed was it the first post he was hiring people to do this for him, he didn't just buy the pop items he hired people to kill shit for him. That makes him lazy and greedy no matter how you look at it.



Read up, and if you don't understand how feeding the rmts gil hurts the game then seriously think about it. AH is russian roulette but people need food/sellables. No one needs to buy pop items, they drop in sky from killing mobs its lazy and you support rmts. Its like having a bottle of water a foot from yours house for 3 dollars but the money goes to terrorist/abortions/something that hurts everyone, or having a legit stand 100 feet away that supports your local community and donating your money to the stand outside because your lazy.



If you have had to buy triggers for your sky ls before, You guys are doing it wrong.
If you sold triggers for your sky ls before your full ls must be 100% geared up otherwise you just put greed before members needs.

Ok for one I did not buy the gear becuase I bought the pops, I bought the pops. I was in the fight with Genbu also the drop is not 100% so I also got lucky.

It is not bad to hire people to do things for you in the game with gil, though I did try to do that, it didnt work out that way.

No I did not pay anyone who fought Genbu with me a pennie and I offered stuff not as payment but for gratitude, something you dont understand becuase you spend your whole time playing the game in a pecking order and "knowing your place" lol.

So according to you buying Airtanks to fight that goblin is RMT, or buying shrimp lanterns for Shen is RMT, or buying any trigger for whatever mob is RMT. Dude you plain dont make real sense. You gotta rationalize better then "cuz i say so"

[Sevv]

Yea I am a lazy mage. I do hard work so I can be lazy.

You really need to learn to watch things i pointed out on your lazy mainly because you refuse to work for your sky gear. Get over the fact i made a joke about you buying account and gil, it was an point saying where does it stop mainly but lets go into the whole thing. Work hard? Say you soloed blm to 75 thats not hard work thats hitting macros when a pet pops. Crafting isn't hard either sorry, try again. No skill in crafting, luck based. (mean player skill not crafting skill levels)

I grinded my blm up to 75 so i can kill alone withough making merit parties.

Your choice to solo it doesn't make you better then anyone lol.


I kept my old friends so making new ones is really easy whenever I return to the game after my periodic leaves. Once I left the game (I thought I was quiting) and gave away every non rare-ex I had (about 30 million in gil worth of items) so you can imagine there are people out there whom have no problem helping besides my regular chat friends. I do have a play ethic, I am not a greedy gil monger.

Want to swing epeens for giving gil away? Ive given over 100M to friends on ifrit because they needed new gear or pled their crafting, oh ya I didn't have to quit for it, don't put the focus on gil here its FAKE MONEY. you lose nothing by giving it away, and wouldn't this just prove my joke about paying people for friendships?


I grinded up alchemy to 100 and several other crafts to 50-60 so making gil would be easy and not take too much work. (seriously - I dont like rmt either) Crafting for gil is like rolling a snowball, you have gil you spend some then you sell what you make and the return is bigger. YOu rinse and repeat throught all the different things you make and eventually you got extra gil you don't need for profiting then you can buy something to power up. Im not uber rich like a sky captain, I just happen to be at a point where the only AH buyable stuff I need for now is gotten or not so needed.

Ya i know how crafting works, and have crafting mules, and you can't say you don't like rmts seeing you just supported the reason they are even in sky.



I stopped doing engame activities awhile back to get my missions and crafting out of the way. Now that thats almost done I will actually have the time to to engame runs. I have friends in several different hnmls and have many options. When I do start that I will be totally done with AH gear and CoP - Zilart missions. Also I will be able to make gil If I ever need to.

Or did you get kicked for it, you still came here hiring people if you had these friends you should have asked them first instead of coming to try and hire people, eventually making sure your own friends have more competition in sky.


And I use the resources at hand to get what I want and I would like to state that most of my gear is rare ex, Yigit, sorcerer's and must be worked for.

Ya yigit isn't some huge accomplishment i have a set for my 30 blm and 40 brd lol. And trust me if you want to bring this to full set of who has accomplished once, you may be picking a fight with the wrong person.

I bought the cursed mitts in AH and I paid for the pops for Genbu and planned the fight with friends. Also not that the group I was with was testing the waters on seeing if we could make an hnmls so I may have been helping to create for myself an environment for "honest" sky culling.

Again if this was the plan you would have never tried to hire people, and genbu is a joke of gods seriously. IF you wanted to be an honest sky ls you would have farmed the pop items so you had some sort of idea what to do instead of buying them.

Actually the only MaB gear I have that costed anything was my Igqira weskit, the Genie manillas, and the HQ staves I got. All else is rare ex. Those gloves come from a famous bonecrafter on my server that is an acquantance. I have been playing this game for over 3 years, I have ran with hnmls, dynamis, and put out tons of help just like the next guy.

If you are loaded as you claim you would have genie weskit, So you have wasted 3 yrs in this game and don't understand the endgame respect idea? And you say you have been with hnmls? Or was it just sky, if you put out tons of help you wouldn't have posted about hiring mercs to kill genbu.

So yes I do cut corners where I can, and Im glad to do so. I deserve it after all the work I put in to being able to.

You say your happy to cut corners because you leveled a craft to 75? lol thats sad like i said 100 craft =/= skill seriously. All this work and you had to make a post hiring people to kill genbu that is the part that is not working in your little loop.

Oh and Sev, I can prove you are wrong by the fact the you use so many obsenities and it is wellknown in normal life that people whom are using obsenities are non rational.

Shit. shit. shit. the earth is round Shit. shit.

So the earth is flat?

So wait your now going to generalize me because I use obsenities? But it was wrong of me to generalize you with rmts becuase you buy r/e gear? Seriously It's also a well known fact that people who use obsenities are more passionate about life then people who just sit around trying to cover up their own bull shit.

You are obviously using your emotions too much in thought, your mind is shut closed and blinded by your ignorant rage/angst.

Nope I think and type, I have my beliefs and this is a multiplayer game go cut corners in single players it doesn't effect people, but every time you buy pop items you further the rmt beliefs in that sky is good for them. Just because I have passion about morals and the right thing to do you label it as ignorant because I'm calling you out for being lazy.

Oh btw waiting on you to buy your MAB + 7 earring from sea, rmts will love you long time if you buy that.

[Edelweiss]

Ummm... No, just no, That right there sounds almost like "I work hard so I can buy Gil" That's not what you're saying I know, but its in the same league.

Good for you, that is quite an accomplishment, still no reason to be lazy though.

Sounds like you bought most the people who help you. =/


Ok, I admit that I wrote those without reading the whole post, now I have, but still, Cutting Corners is pretty much Cheating other people out of the work they've done. You can rationalize it all you want, doesn't change it at all.

Also, I've been talking to Sev, he's talking like that to get his point across. =p


Yeah agree it does sound he had to work to get it, or atleast thats what I got to. Did he say that he made 300-400k and people help him for that reason? Thats what it sounded like..people probly helped him because they knew that he would pay them? (only guessing.) I played this game 4 years ago when it came out for the ps2 in 2003. I also get what Sev is saying, I have seen some of that sky stuff, they have even spammed for it in Windurst, and people buy it. Also if you want to solo this game, why bother play or have friends for that matter, if you can DO it yourself??

Edit: I know the main reason Sev is mad is because he wants people to work for it in this game, inless they REALLY need the help. I agree with that like 100% even though I am new I give my advice or I give gil away even though I really need it too. I also dont ask help for quests or missions inless I need it, I will atleast try somthing atleast 4 or 5 times and if I dont get it then I will ask for help. But, I will NEVER buy my way out of it, if you can farm and make all this gil you should be able to work for Sky too ya know?

[Ziero]

...dude, he did nothing wrong. People pay for *all* types of missions and help all the time. That's what being a merc is. It's a perfectly legitamite way to work in this game, both on the buying and selling ends of the transaction. Hell, I remember a guy shouting for help with his Smn AF ruby and offering 4k for it. Does that mean he's a Rmt? No, it just means he had gil to pay for help with something taht was difficult to do on his own. (fyi I helped him out with it and didn't accept the money).

He payed for a Pop item. Not the God Gear, the Pop Item. That is something perfectly legal to do. He then got people he knew, regardless whether he payed them or not, then fought and killed Genbu *with* them. He made his own gil *in game*, he aquired the pop item *through legal means* and fought *with* the group who killed Genbu. That's more then enough work as far as I see it. If you're gonna rag on him for 'not working' for his drops, then why not rag on anyone who's ever had someone solo rank 6 for them, or had someone camp a higher lvl NM for them or even farmed their Kazham Keys for them?

Mercing is a *normal* part of *any* interactive game environment where trading can occur.

[Necropolis]

Sev, what the hell is your problem?

First, you have no proof the pop items he bought were from RMT. Likely, but there are some people that sell pop items because they either have the gear already, or don't have the people to fight the gods.

Second, you say he's lazy, yet you've given 100m gil to PL other's crafting? Seems like your friends are just as lazy to me. To have to use thier "friendship" with you to accomplish anything rather thier farm thier own gil.

Shouting offers to sell rare/ex gear is what was changed about the ToS. Shouting for help to kill gods is not, nor is offering a reward. If it was, every divine might, shen, ZM mission, CoP mission or anything that needs a group of people could end up with people being banned. The extremes you want to go, if someone shouts "tele-mea 2k" they're RMT or support RMT.

I understand where the OP is coming from. For something as easy to get as Z mitts I'd hate to have to commit to years of service to an LS. He wanted one piece of sky gear, and he got what he wanted. Not everyone in the game has as many "friends" as you do. Maybe we'd have more if we PLed thier crafts up for them, but who knows.

I prefer the way Malacite posted. He probably supported RMT by buying the POP ITEMS. Then left it at that. Perhaps time for rehab Sev, the coffee you drink is way too strong to post rational replys at this point.

[Sevv]

Sev: STFU.
Lazy guy: GTFO.
Thread: DIAF.

<3 you long time too feba

Ok for one I did not buy the gear becuase I bought the pops, I bought the pops. I was in the fight with Genbu also the drop is not 100% so I also got lucky.

You do realise you still are BUYING THE ITEM. I'm the endgame vet here lol I think everyone knows the drop isnt 100%. You still buy the gear when you buy pops, trying to sugar coat and spin it not gonna help.


It is not bad to hire people to do things for you in the game with gil, though I did try to do that, it didnt work out that way.

I didn't say it was bad to pay people for help, but again there is ethic lines, depending on what and if you are forced into it.

No I did not pay anyone who fought Genbu with me a pennie and I offered stuff not as payment but for gratitude, something you dont understand becuase you spend your whole time playing the game in a pecking order and "knowing your place" lol.

Either way no proof, Lol so loyalty means i know nothing of gratitude, right seriously if you want to go into a huge debate lets go. Generalizing me again I see, remember you bish fit when I did it to you? I know more about gratitude then you do. And pecking order my endgame ls is more like a family then a order seriously back up here your gonna break into parts you don't stand a chance on.


So according to you buying Airtanks to fight that goblin is RMT, or buying shrimp lanterns for Shen is RMT, or buying any trigger for whatever mob is RMT.

Wow you are bringing failing to new heights. Buying Sky pops before wasn't "ethical" pre-rmt. It has only become rmt now due to their presance in sky. If rmt are controling the selling market on Airtanks and Shrimp laterns then it will be rmted. Personally i dont buy either pop item and i farm my airtanks, also its bugbear mattman, if you gonna argue to some research.


Dude you plain dont make real sense. You gotta rationalize better then "cuz i say so"

Endgame/Player Ethics. They do exist.

[Edelweiss]

...dude, he did nothing wrong. People pay for *all* types of missions and help all the time. That's what being a merc is. It's a perfectly legitamite way to work in this game, both on the buying and selling ends of the transaction. Hell, I remember a guy shouting for help with his Smn AF ruby and offering 4k for it. Does that mean he's a Rmt? No, it just means he had gil to pay for help with something taht was difficult to do on his own. (fyi I helped him out with it and didn't accept the money).

He payed for a Pop item. Not the God Gear, the Pop Item. That is something perfectly legal to do. He then got people he knew, regardless whether he payed them or not, then fought and killed Genbu *with* them. He made his own gil *in game*, he aquired the pop item *through legal means* and fought *with* the group who killed Genbu. That's more then enough work as far as I see it. If you're gonna rag on him for 'not working' for his drops, then why not rag on anyone who's ever had someone solo rank 6 for them, or had someone camp a higher lvl NM for them or even farmed their Kazham Keys for them?

Mercing is a *normal* part of *any* interactive game environment where trading can occur.

Yeah but paying someone to help you? 1) that means you probly have no friends or a LS most friends and LS would help without having to pay. 2) Also, if someone wont help you intell you pay them, that means that person is just after your money and probly wont care if you die or live. (I wouldnt care I got the gil, why should I care if they live or die?) Also, highering people to me is Cheating, if you have to higher people to help you in real life or in a game, you must be one big loser..and thats all I got to say about that.

Also, I do get mad at the people that solo people all the way to rank 6+ or people who PL. Why must u have to PL? Are you lazy to talk your time soloing? Or looking for a Party? If you do all these things you shouldnt really even be play a MMO if all your going to do is cheap yourself through the whole thing.

[silentsteel]

course OP said that he never offered to pay them, that they helped him, so you've got that incorrect =p

[Edelweiss]

course OP said that he never offered to pay them, that they helped him, so you've got that incorrect =p

I know what he said I am talking about what the OTHER dude said, if u have to PAY anyone for anything thats just not right to me regardless.

[Sevv]

...dude, he did nothing wrong. People pay for *all* types of missions and help all the time. That's what being a merc is. It's a perfectly legitamite way to work in this game, both on the buying and selling ends of the transaction. Hell, I remember a guy shouting for help with his Smn AF ruby and offering 4k for it. Does that mean he's a Rmt? No, it just means he had gil to pay for help with something taht was difficult to do on his own. (fyi I helped him out with it and didn't accept the money).

Again Rmt actions are only made because of their presance in sky. They also control the majority of stone sales.


He payed for a Pop item. Not the God Gear, the Pop Item. That is something perfectly legal to do. He then got people he knew, regardless whether he payed them or not, then fought and killed Genbu *with* them. He made his own gil *in game*, he aquired the pop item *through legal means* and fought *with* the group who killed Genbu. That's more then enough work as far as I see it. If you're gonna rag on him for 'not working' for his drops, then why not rag on anyone who's ever had someone solo rank 6 for them, or had someone camp a higher lvl NM for them or even farmed their Kazham Keys for them?
Mercing is a *normal* part of *any* interactive game environment where trading can occur.

Like my main point of this was the ethics involved Zeiro, did i over react a bit yes, i'm sorry if the rest of you have yet to see the paying rmts for gear become an serious issue in this game.


Sev, what the hell is your problem?

I got this real bad pain in my ass, i think i sat on a tack.

First, you have no proof the pop items he bought were from RMT. Likely, but there are some people that sell pop items because they either have the gear already, or don't have the people to fight the gods.

Like i said i made generalized comments about it. Also he has no proof of him buying them from legit players.

Second, you say he's lazy, yet you've given 100m gil to PL other's crafting? Seems like your friends are just as lazy to me. To have to use thier "friendship" with you to accomplish anything rather thier farm thier own gil.

Necro you know my friends, they are lazy seriously. I'm usually the first to say that they also don't ask for gil, I chose to help out.

Shouting offers to sell rare/ex gear is what was changed about the ToS.
As well as buying lotting rights from rmts. They lump it in as dealing in rmt related activities. Tho it's not what he did if he truely did it with friends and no money was invovled.

Shouting for help to kill gods is not, nor is offering a reward. If it was, every divine might, shen, ZM mission, CoP mission or anything that needs a group of people could end up with people being banned. The extremes you want to go, if someone shouts "tele-mea 2k" they're RMT or support RMT.

Again see where I over reacted on some points, also I never once stated he shouted for help in game with rewards his post is on here.

I understand where the OP is coming from. For something as easy to get as Z mitts I'd hate to have to commit to years of service to an LS. He wanted one piece of sky gear, and he got what he wanted.

So greed right he only wanted to benefit himself.


Not everyone in the game has as many "friends" as you do. Maybe we'd have more if we PLed thier crafts up for them, but who knows.I prefer the way Malacite posted. He probably supported RMT by buying the POP ITEMS. Then left it at that.

Actaully most of the people's crafts i pled quit the game, I have friends because i go out of my way to help people.

Perhaps time for rehab Sev, the coffee you drink is way too strong to post rational replys at this point.

I don't drink coffee btw, and yes i over reacted on this but, its a trend and you being from ifrit should know how many people their rmted their gear seriously. Either way my point got across, it was more about ethics i should have stress that more.

[Sevv]

course OP said that he never offered to pay them, that they helped him, so you've got that incorrect =p


http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/seraph/67215-super-merc-s-needed.html

[Edelweiss]

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/seraph/67215-super-merc-s-needed.html

Ok hes a idiot, he got mad at her because she said "live your life and come back to the game when you have time, and dont let it affect your life" Hello Square says that before u even begin to play the game. Also it is just a game life is more important then this game and I think he over reacts to much. So what u wanted your mitts so bad? Wait for it when u have the time dont make it go by faster by paying for it. That just proves even more that you are impatient and just want to get to end game as fast as possible.

[NicasinXS]

Yeah but paying someone to help you? 1) that means you probly have no friends or a LS most friends and LS would help without having to pay. 2) Also, if someone wont help you intell you pay them, that means that person is just after your money and probly wont care if you die or live. (I wouldnt care I got the gil, why should I care if they live or die?) Also, highering people to me is Cheating, if you have to higher people to help you in real life or in a game, you must be one big loser..and thats all I got to say about that.

Also, I do get mad at the people that solo people all the way to rank 6+ or people who PL. Why must u have to PL? Are you lazy to talk your time soloing? Or looking for a Party? If you do all these things you shouldnt really even be play a MMO if all your going to do is cheap yourself through the whole thing.

I dont think you read all of my posts before you typed this. Calling people loser is not nice but it is funny to me that someone can consider a person that prioritize thier playing in a way that reduces time taken from RL. Thats just me. I obviously have friends in the game and I have been offered spots in several hnmls but Im no biting till im ready. I have some lvls and missions left to get out of they way first. Really you should read my posts not Sevs when you post at me. Anyways I respect your outlook on the game, they way you like to "do it yourself", is cool.

The reason I first offered gil for Mercenaries is becuase I wanted to get a chance at mitts before I went on vacation after this week ends, it was my first merc gil offer since my first year which I paid for 2 things, help with hat, and help with a key, both for AF. Also I wanted to see what people on this website thought of that idea. Im not so much in disagreement with that sentiment that people should join the programs provided by other players, but people shouldnt be scolded for pulling things off that dont have the time or are not obsessed enouph to count. On my original thread I though of 3 ideas on how to get the drop without being in a hnmls. I used the one where I just bought the drops and my friends offered to help I didnt even ask, just talked about it. I didn't realize they were so helpfull cuz I dont ussually need help, I solo almost everything i need, (AF keys, merits, most NMs) The only person the responded to my original thread was not so nice about it but I got the point on how frowned upon it is, again, im not into the politics thats why I post here, for the feedback.


Anyways
to: Sev

Lets just agree to disagree.

[Edelweiss]

I dont think you read all of my posts before you typed this. Calling people loser is not nice but it is funny to me that someone can consider a person that prioritize thier playing in a way that reduces time taken from RL. Thats just me. I obviously have friends in the game and I have been offered spots in several hnmls but Im no biting till im ready. I have some lvls and missions left to get out of they way first. Really you should read my posts not Sevs when you post at me. Anyways I respect your outlook on the game, they way you like to "do it yourself", is cool.

The reason I first offered gil for Mercenaries is becuase I wanted to get a chance at mitts before I went on vacation after this week ends, it was my first merc gil offer since my first year which I paid for 2 things, help with hat, and help with a key, both for AF. Also I wanted to see what people on this website thought of that idea. Im not so much in disagreement with that sentiment that people should join the programs provided by other players, but people shouldnt be scolded for pulling things off that dont have the time or are not obsessed enouph to count. On my original thread I though of 3 ideas on how to get the drop without being in a hnmls. I used the one where I just bought the drops and my friends offered to help I didnt even ask, just talked about it. I didn't realize they were so helpfull cuz I dont ussually need help, I solo almost everything i need, (AF keys, merits, most NMs) The only person the responded to my original thread was not so nice about it but I got the point on how frowned upon it is, again, im not into the politics thats why I post here, for the feedback.


Anyways
to: Sev

Lets just agree to disagree.


I still think its wrong to pay someone to help you get somthing no matter what you are trying to see what happends or what doesnt happen. Also I have read every single thing that you have posted and it got me a little steamed and I am sorry for that. Also, you should know this game isnt ment for Soloing at higher levels..and you shouldnt be afraid to ask for help when you need it. My bf does that all the time and it makes me so mad, he knows I can help him yet he goes off and tries to do it himself and he fails..But yeah I just think you should ask more people for help them paying them is all I am saying.

[Sevv]

to: Sev
Lets just agree to disagree.


Here is as much as I'll go on about this:

I apologize that I did go off more then needed. You don't know me usually I respond to more the issue/ethics then the individual case. Its a very heavy rmt area thats why I frown upon it personally. And from personal findings 99% of these are usually rmt cases. This is a huge issue with the player base, and with your original post it pointed to the fact that you more or less rmt'ed the mitts. If you truely didn't then I apologize, for calling you out to that aspect. Looking at the ethical issue of the current time, its still not going to be respect from the endgame side of things.

[Necropolis]

Sev, you're taking a personal view, mixing it with some legitimate thought, a lot of broken english and trying to make sense out of it.

I enjoy seeing others get gear from events. I enjoy doing dynamis for months and get nothing but a handful of singles out of it. I enjoy spending 20 minutes soloing the LB2 tiger for the newb to go afk as I kill it and have to do it again. I enjoy helping people.

You may be similar, but it's irrelevant. It isn't the OP's greed, everyone is here to get something for themselves. Weather it's the joy of the activity or the end product, it doesn't matter. A lot of people are asshats in this game, once they get what they want they get the hell out of dodge. The OP avoided that by paying his way to get the item he wanted without the possibility of being shafted in the end.

You can argue that there are good people out there, but read all the LS drama around different forums. I can certainly why the OP wants to avoid commiting to endless hours of farming and killing gods for others to get gear, only to find the members leave when it's his turn.

If you're going to argue someone to such a point, don't mix in half-jokes, half-generalizations, and hypocritical theories as your defense. You state one thing in your first post, then turn around and say "yea that was a joke" or "that was a little overboard".

As a ninja, I'm willing to bet you've feed more gil into RMT pockets on shihei than one pop set. That's not counting Sole Sushi or any other consumables.

Again Rmt actions are only made because of their presance in sky. They also control the majority of stone sales.

Well of course they control the majority of stone sales, as most people keep thier stones for thier own uses. But I know a number of Bst and Rdm that have solo/duo most of the pop items for sky and sell them. Varies from server to server of course, but don't discredit legitimate farmers.


Yeah but paying someone to help you? 1) that means you probly have no friends or a LS most friends and LS would help without having to pay. 2) Also, if someone wont help you intell you pay them, that means that person is just after your money and probly wont care if you die or live. (I wouldnt care I got the gil, why should I care if they live or die?) Also, highering people to me is Cheating, if you have to higher people to help you in real life or in a game, you must be one big loser..and thats all I got to say about that.

Also, I do get mad at the people that solo people all the way to rank 6+ or people who PL. Why must u have to PL? Are you lazy to talk your time soloing? Or looking for a Party? If you do all these things you shouldnt really even be play a MMO if all your going to do is cheap yourself through the whole thing.

So everyone that pays for a Tele is worthless? There has been a time or two that I've offered rewards for help with something. It's a matter of convience. I have plenty of friends, but the majority of them are 30+ level lower than me and not to the point I am that they can even help at all.

And have you partied in the dunes recently? Self PLing myself I've never spent more than 3 hours in the dunes leveling from 10-21. People there like to make it a 3 month adventure. If I can avoid multitudes of morons or a lack of invites I'm going to take it. People can argue that you don't learn the job, but I've learned a hell of a lot more soloing than any party is going to teach me.

[Ziero]

I still think its wrong to pay someone to help you get somthing no matter what you are trying to see what happends or what doesnt happen. Also I have read every single thing that you have posted and it got me a little steamed and I am sorry for that. Also, you should know this game isnt ment for Soloing at higher levels..and you shouldnt be afraid to ask for help when you need it. My bf does that all the time and it makes me so mad, he knows I can help him yet he goes off and tries to do it himself and he fails..But yeah I just think you should ask more people for help them paying them is all I am saying.
The very fact that you're 'not supposed to' solo in this game is the reason why so many people *try* to solo in this game. I'm sure everyone said that a God couldn't be soloed, but that Taru Rdm proved them wrong. And I'm sure no one thinks ODS can be soloed...but it can and has been. It's a way to show the 'impossible' is possible if one tries hard enough and has the right amount of skill and luck.

Then there's also the fact you won't have to wait around for hours/days/weeks/months for people to help, that's always a bonus.

As for paying for help, as far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with that. It may not be something I would ever do (mainly cause I'm cheap/stubborn) I'm not gonna look down on those who do it. If they worked for the cash and found legitamite players to help out then good for them. It's no different then the HNMLS 'point' systems, where people aren't doing events for free, but rather to increase their points so they can lot on items. It's trading finacial resources for services rendered, something that is done irl by everyone. And it's no different then paying for a tele or D2 to me. It's not against *any* rules in this game and it's not hurting anyone so I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.

[Sevv]

Sev, you're taking a personal view, mixing it with some legitimate thought, a lot of broken english and trying to make sense out of it.

It is just sev speak, trying to post while doing editing is always fun but makes the day go buy faster.

I enjoy seeing others get gear from events. I enjoy doing dynamis for months and get nothing but a handful of singles out of it. I enjoy spending 20 minutes soloing the LB2 tiger for the newb to go afk as I kill it and have to do it again. I enjoy helping people.
You may be similar, but it's irrelevant. It isn't the OP's greed, everyone is here to get something for themselves. Weather it's the joy of the activity or the end product, it doesn't matter. A lot of people are asshats in this game, once they get what they want they get the hell out of dodge. The OP avoided that by paying his way to get the item he wanted without the possibility of being shafted in the end.
You can argue that there are good people out there, but read all the LS drama around different forums. I can certainly why the OP wants to avoid commiting to endless hours of farming and killing gods for others to get gear, only to find the members leave when it's his turn.

But also read how he is going to join endgame or says he is, just at a later time. So there is no reason to not just wait other than greed.

If you're going to argue someone to such a point, don't mix in half-jokes, half-generalizations, and hypocritical theories as your defense. You state one thing in your first post, then turn around and say "yea that was a joke" or "that was a little overboard".
I stand by most of what I posted and relooking at some of it I went over board on points, and I am able to admit my mistakes when I make them.

As a ninja, I'm willing to bet you've feed more gil into RMT pockets on shihei than one pop set. That's not counting Sole Sushi or any other consumables.

Most of my food and shehei was made by friends on ifrit with the occasional purchase off the ah. And on that if you want to look at two purchases vs a career of ah then you would need to know what he bought and from who. The point about it was pop set money to rmt is avoidable, where when you buy things on the ah you really play russian roulette as i stated before.

Well of course they control the majority of stone sales, as most people keep thier stones for thier own uses. But I know a number of Bst and Rdm that have solo/duo most of the pop items for sky and sell them. Varies from server to server of course, but don't discredit legitimate farmers.

Like I said 90% is rmt funded, I left a good % of the possiblity of a legit sale.

[fallenintoshadows]

In my opinion, if you can't be asked to farm the pop items yourself you don't deserve the drops. You have to put effort in to get the rewards. If you don't have the time to put into this game and take short cuts like buying pop items then this isn't the game for you, maybe a game which requires less input of time is for you: WoW.

I don't see how you can be proud of this, it sounds like you were lazy and just bribed people into helping you get what you want.

[NicasinXS]

In my opinion, if you can't be asked to farm the pop items yourself you don't deserve the drops. You have to put effort in to get the rewards. If you don't have the time to put into this game and take short cuts like buying pop items then this isn't the game for you, maybe a game which requires less input of time is for you: WoW.

I don't see how you can be proud of this, it sounds like you were lazy and just bribed people into helping you get what you want.

Yes that is your opinion, but really since I dont have loads of time and really like the game I do one thing at a time and set a modus operundi of desires for myself. Right now I am playing (ffxi the CoP game) as in mostly what I do in game is go through those mission, I finished chapter 5 last night. When I log on I will thinking about getting further on CoP and acting on it. I used to play (ffxi the crafter game) which I am done with, and (ffxi the get windhurst to rank 10 game). Once there was a time I did Dynamis and it was great and almost the only thing I did besides get xp back from dieing there. I prioritized so part of the reason I am behind a bit behind is because I was already part of a sky - dynamis guild once before while trying to do everying else and I felt over taxed and my RL friends werent too happy about not seeing me. I budget time, this should be an easy concept for people and more people should prioritize that like RL too.

I agree more happens for people that farm the sky in groups, and yes they get what comes to them, which is alot. Whether someone "deserves" whatever is another matter. I am not in a sky group presently so I will not be making tons of cool gear like yourself so you can rejoice with that. I do get those mitts becuase some friends thought I did deserve that one shot. I was talking about my plan to pay mercenaries (that dont really exist) for the mitts and the way I was offering, advertising here and on the auction site for the winterstone (which is how I got it) and they told me I was crazy like some of you guys do. So they helped me IF i got my own drops so I bought the pops, no big deal really. I offered them the gil drops cuz I think people like them deserve a chance at something cool I was so gratefull for them. Its like when a new player shouts for help or offers gil to help and you /tell him "Oh ill just help you keep the gil", and a cool item drops and the helpee says, oh you can have that for helping me, but on a larger scale. In the end they were still thinking I was gonna lot everything, I had to reassure "yes lot everything" I got my mitts yay! kind of thing. Not really so selfish from any angle.

New ways of doing things should be explored anyways becuase the new expansion coming out, and the new things for raid forces to do are getting more varied, things change, maybe there will be a time when sky pops run cheap in bazaars, people just buy them and then thier forces go up and the guy who buys the pops gets one thing to pick. This frees up time for entire LSs to work on the superior Salvage gears. That sounds fair to me. Thats just me. The only way to truely battle RMT is not play. Yeeea right!! This the only vid I play until Tekken online comes out. Well besides tekken 5 not online.

Please take in mind that this game is not only for obsessed people, which is a subject that should be discussed on these forums from time to time.

This game is for me, cuz I care about it.

[DakAttack]

He bought a trigger, possibly from RMT, and had some of his friends help him take down an HNM.

Vile.

[fallenintoshadows]

Yes, it is my opinion, /clap. That's why I said it. I am grateful you can read.

Setting your self "games" is a good idea to structure your limited time in game, just a pity you did not make a "get my own pop items game". At the end of the day, you could have farmed your own pop items, yes it would have taken you longer seeing as you are on a tight schedule but it wasn't impossible. You opted for the "Lazy Ass Route" by choice.

That time you want to free up for linkshells by them being able to buy pop items is an important time for linkshells. Farming for pop items is not as risky as actual events, making it a more relaxed environment to build on teamwork.

I have a healthy social life, but whether you are "obsessed" with this game, manage to balance your life evenly or play on the rare occasion it does not mean you are forced to take the lazy way out. I know plenty of people who barely play because of hectic real lives and take pride in working for things for themselves, they still camp their own NMs, they farm their own items, yeah it takes a hell of a lot longer but at least they can look back at their achievements and say "I did that myself, with help from my friends, I did that" not, "I paid my way into getting what I want". As I said before, you can't make excuses about time, you can make time, if not you can work with the time you have it will just take longer. There's no such as "I didn't have the time" unless you don't play at all- ever.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so fair enough if you stand by yours, but I will still stand by mine. This game is for people who care about it, because they want to enjoy it, progress and meet new people in an environment they like.

[fallenintoshadows]

I think it would be cool if more people sold sky triggers in bazaar land outside Lower Jueno on Seraph, I would be down to kill more gods that way, until I start running around up there getting them myself with a large group.


Basically.. so lazy people don't have to actually do half the work.


Hnmls aren't so much a requirement for killing things that can be triggered with buyable items. People should'nt be scolded for trying or advertising ideas for new ways to do things, or any was of doing anything that isn't norm but still possible.


Sure let's all think of new (AKA easier) ways of doing things.. let's all go buy gil! Damn, why didn't we see that "new way" before?


I never thought of that, but the people I bought them from didn't seem RMT to me. I certainly dont want to support RMT cuz they are a mind sore. The real money trading people dont really factor in to me so much cuz im lvl 100 alchemy yada yada and make gil at a good pace. I let the AH do my work for me^^.


RMT affect everyone, so you're level 100 alchemist: RMT jack up prices of ingredients. Are all the items you have made by yourself? You don't buy items heavily camped or sold by RMT on the AH? Infact can you safely say any gear/items/food you buy hasn't been aquired by a RMT, or the price jacked by a RMT? The items you sell, can you be sure RMT don't buy them? RMT is everywhere, affects everyone.


To me, stooping is running around the sky on days you dont want to to rack up points to eventually power up. Sky is fun, but not every day for me.


Point systems are used to ensure fairness and that lazy asses don't walk into the linkshell, get the drop and then leave. I might as well read this as "I'm not going to help other people get their items first and earn points with them! I want my own items! ME ME ME!"


Wow SevIfrit you are a crazy person.


Actually, he is a player with a valid opinion.


I am an honest player now go to the final fantasy auction site and check some of my seller mules out.


Proves: NOTHING.


Sevifrit you cry cuz you cant do it yourself, so you think nobody else can and blame other poeple, poor Sevifrit.


Nice way to mantain a mature conversation and make people view your opinions with respect. :thumbsup:


The guys just a flaming jerk.


Pot? Kettle? Black? >_>


I dont have the RL time to sacrifice for.


You don't have to sacrifice your real life, work with the time you have, it's slower but it's worth it.

Yea I am a lazy mage. I do hard work so I can be lazy.

Hard worker and lazy? Paradox?

I am a good person, therefore I can go out and commit crimes!

I grinded my blm up to 75 so i can kill alone withough making merit parties.

What decent black mage can't?

So yes I do cut corners where I can, and Im glad to do so. I deserve it after all the work I put in to being able to.


You are not the only player who works hard in game, let's all be lazy because we deserve it after working so damn hard. :wtf:


Oh and Sev, I can prove you are wrong by the fact the you use so many obsenities and it is wellknown in normal life that people whom are using obsenities are non rational. You are obviously using your emotions too much in thought, your mind is shut closed and blinded by your ignorant rage/angst.


Dear God, make this "hard worker" realise insulting people does not help his cause, gain anyone's respect, nor make him right.

I can just as easily say: I think you are so defensive you must have something to hide. Something.. like MURDER! <--- Probably contains as much shit as your statement.


Calling people loser is not nice

However calling people "flaming jerk" or "ignorant" is ok kids! :thumbsup:


The reason I first offered gil for Mercenaries is becuase I wanted to get a chance at mitts before I went on vacation after this week ends


So basically: you were just being lazy. You could have waited, you could have farmed the items yourself when you had the time but it came down to plain impatience and laziness.

Lets just agree to disagree. Proof this guy is not 100% :shocked: immature/irrational.

New ways of doing things should be explored anyways becuase the new expansion coming out

You are totally right, since the new expansion is coming out meaning we must try new things, we should all start trying RDM/PUP! It's new, it's here and so damn full of crap. :huh:

[Ziero]

So saving time by using a completely legitamite in game method is now lazy?

Remember that next time you ask for a tele from anyone.

[Edelweiss]

Basically.. so lazy people don't have to actually do half the work.


agreed you should work for what you want not pay your way out of it, whats the fun in that? Its like cheating in school, or having someone at your job take your place at work. Its just stupid and it doesnt get you anyware.



Sure let's all think of new (AKA easier) ways of doing things.. let's all go buy gil! Damn, why didn't we see that "new way" before?


Only if we could think like him huh? :P





RMT affect everyone, so you're level 100 alchemist: RMT jack up prices of ingredients. Are all the items you have made by yourself? You don't buy items heavily camped or sold by RMT on the AH? Infact can you safely say any gear/items/food you buy hasn't been aquired by a RMT, or the price jacked by a RMT? The items you sell, can you be sure RMT don't buy them? RMT is everywhere, affects everyone.

Yeah I know what you mean, we probly all buy RMT stuff all the time from the AH its just there and there is nothing we can do about that.



Point systems are used to ensure fairness and that lazy asses don't walk into the linkshell, get the drop and then leave. I might as well read this as "I'm not going to help other people get their items first and earn points with them! I want my own items! ME ME ME!"

I agree if you are in a linkshell you should help others with the same thing that you got help for if they need it just dont be mean and greedy and say no just because you are done with it, people will hate you, even in real life so really this is a life lesson to you.


Actually, he is a player with a valid opinion.

I agree, and this is my oponion.



Proves: NOTHING.

I also agree lol....



Nice way to mantain a mature conversation and make people view your opinions with respect. :thumbsup:

Yeah you say we arent respectful yet you call people jerks and call them stupid?


Pot? Kettle? Black? >_>

Probly Black.


You don't have to sacrifice your real life, work with the time you have, it's slower but it's worth it.

Agreed one of my goodfriends barely plays because he works all day but when he is off work he plays as much as he can even if he cant get it done then. But he will, because hes not going to buy his way out.


Hard worker and lazy? Paradox?

I am a good person, therefore I can go out and commit crimes!

like I am gay but I am going to have sex with a chick and marry her because thats awesome!



What decent black mage can't?

agreed


You are not the only player who works hard in game, let's all be lazy because we deserve it after working so damn hard. :wtf:

Everyone or atleast everyone should work hard in this game just dont be lazy because you worked your ass off. Thats like saying oh I worked so hard today at work but when I get home I am not going to clean or eat because I diserve it! (if thats the case my house would be a reck.)


Dear God, make this "hard worker" realise insulting people does not help his cause, gain anyone's respect, nor make him right.

I can just as easily say: I think you are so defensive you must have something to hide. Something.. like MURDER! <--- Probably contains as much shit as your statement.


People that usely threatin people or hurt others do having somthing to hard that I will admit, but not your attitude or anger issues.

However calling people "flaming jerk" or "ignorant" is ok kids! :thumbsup:

yay I always knew it was ok! :)


So basically: you were just being lazy. You could have waited, you could have farmed the items yourself when you had the time but it came down to plain impatience and laziness.

Proof this guy is not 100% :shocked: immature/irrational.

Like I said before, you could wait till u have the time to do the things you need to do..thats like saying I aint going to work today because I have a doctors apointment AFTER work...so I am just going to skip it. o-O



You are totally right, since the new expansion is coming out meaning we must try new things, we should all start trying RDM/PUP! It's new, it's here and so damn full of crap. :huh:

yay I am going to be a whm/thf that would sooo rock!!

[Edelweiss]

So saving time by using a completely legitamite in game method is now lazy?

Remember that next time you ask for a tele from anyone.

Well when I can tele I will do it for free I wont charge people to tele its like not it hurts m feelings, plus its just a tele its not like I cant get my MP back...(I know some people that dont charge for teles.) Also I am the type of person that will help people for free, because I think if you really cared you wouldnt charge for a raise or a tele...

[NicasinXS]

Yes, it is my opinion, /clap. That's why I said it. I am grateful you can read.

Setting your self "games" is a good idea to structure your limited time in game, just a pity you did not make a "get my own pop items game". At the end of the day, you could have farmed your own pop items, yes it would have taken you longer seeing as you are on a tight schedule but it wasn't impossible. You opted for the "Lazy Ass Route" by choice.

That time you want to free up for linkshells by them being able to buy pop items is an important time for linkshells. Farming for pop items is not as risky as actual events, making it a more relaxed environment to build on teamwork.

I have a healthy social life, but whether you are "obsessed" with this game, manage to balance your life evenly or play on the rare occasion it does not mean you are forced to take the lazy way out. I know plenty of people who barely play because of hectic real lives and take pride in working for things for themselves, they still camp their own NMs, they farm their own items, yeah it takes a hell of a lot longer but at least they can look back at their achievements and say "I did that myself, with help from my friends, I did that" not, "I paid my way into getting what I want". As I said before, you can't make
excuses about time, you can make time, if not you can work with the time you have it will just take longer. There's no such as "I didn't have the time" unless you don't play at all- ever. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so fair enough if you stand by yours, but I will still stand by mine. This game is for people who care about it, because they want to enjoy it, progress and meet new people in an environment they like.


What next, are you gonna go to the Pacman forums and flame people on their pacman style. ITS ONLY A GAME!

Its like you guys are using this thread for practicing your mob mentality structure. Your a mental gimp. So sad for you that you cannot see past you own ass.

get bent.

[Murphie]

I realize you're upset that you posted your accomplishment here and didn't get the response you expected, but your last post was completely unnecessary.

[Ziero]

Well when I can tele I will do it for free I wont charge people to tele its like not it hurts m feelings, plus its just a tele its not like I cant get my MP back...(I know some people that dont charge for teles.) Also I am the type of person that will help people for free, because I think if you really cared you wouldnt charge for a raise or a tele...

...way to miss the point. A *lot* of people do charge for teles. And *many* more pay for them. That does not make either of them bad people because all they are doing is trading finacial resources *in game* for services rendered *in game*. Some of these people teleing others may be RMT and some who are being teled maybe be RMT, yet hundreds of people do it every day and it's a normal, expected, acceptable activity. I know many many many whm who will bend over backwards to help people, but they still go out and tele taxi people for money because that is their prefered form of income.

Him buying a perfectly legal item with perfect legal gil does not in any way shape or form make him lazy. He worked for the gil, he bought the cursed gear, he fought the monster, he got the drop. Just because he didn't spend months in a LS full of people he didn't know or particularly care for in hopes of getting *one* item from one monster doesn't mean he's lazy. People buy Quadav Aurgy Shells all the time for rank 5, they buy mannequin parts all the time to build their mannequin, they buy crafted items all the time from others who've made them. All of those situations are the same as this one, trading finacial resources for services rendered. If SE didn't want people to buy pop items they'd be EX. They're not.

He put in his effort for that item, and though it may not be as much 'effort' as others put in (aka waiting their turn) it was enough to get the item through legal in-game methods. Nothing lazy or greedy about it.

[NicasinXS]

I realize you're upset that you posted your accomplishment here and didn't get the response you expected, but your last post was completely unnecessary.

You're right. Ill stop responding to sheeple. Then I can keep it civil like.

Anyways I thought this website was supposed to be not full of flamers. Thats what the post on Alla said when I decided to first ever post here. Advertised as a welcoming non KillingIFrit like forum. I dont have anything against KillingIfrit. Just that it was a false advertisment. People whom cant rationalize and react on reflexed collectivated mentalizations aren't really talking with thier own mind anyway. Just the same flaming jerk part1, part2, part3, etc.. Haters just to hate, virtual Nazis.

[Murphie]

As a whole, FFXIO isn't full of flames. Read the bulk of any of the posts here, and you'll find that most of the posters are able to carry on conversations completely free of personal attacks.

But there are some topics that just seem to get people's ire up. This happens to be one of them.

[Edelweiss]

One more it is a game, but the way your acting shows us thats the way you might act in person too.

[NicasinXS]

One more it is a game, but the way your acting shows us thats the way you might act in person too.

Flame post quoted, thats not regular conversation there.



Yes Murphy it gets thier ire up cuz they hate to see someone pull of a clever move and go around alot of work. It just gets to them doesn't it. Whats that called?

[neighbortaru]

everyone's had their say and the argument is starting to go around in circles and pick up some more tinder. closing so everyone will calm down.

as NacasinXS so nicely put it "agree to disagree" people.