Are there any plans to make a Vana'diel collection available for the PS3?

[Raydeus]

That's it, having a PS3 Vana collection (specially downloadable via PSN) would be great, even if it only had 360-like graphic enhancements.

[Shadowneko]

I asked something similar but I didn't get much attention around here: Why doesn't SE just release the PS2 install disks for the PS3?

The rest of SE's statements said they weren't gonna make a PS3 specific version but I don't see why they can't just re-release a set of the PS2 install disks since they work fine on the PS3 once you've downloaded the PS2 HDD image....

[Auron517]

That's it, having a PS3 Vana collection (specially downloadable via PSN) would be great, even if it only had 360-like graphic enhancements.

If I remember correctly, a friend of mine was telling me that Square already upscaled the graphics for FFXI on the PS3, so the graphics are on par with the 360 version.

Your idea to put atleast, the PS2 game in a new package for the PS3, downloadable or not, is actually pretty cool. No idea why they won't do it, but then again there's a million things they should do but won't.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I asked something similar but I didn't get much attention around here: Why doesn't SE just release the PS2 install disks for the PS3?

The rest of SE's statements said they weren't gonna make a PS3 specific version but I don't see why they can't just re-release a set of the PS2 install disks since they work fine on the PS3 once you've downloaded the PS2 HDD image....

Because its a PS2 game.

[Malacite]

No, because when interviewed months ago Yoichi Wada (President and CEO of SE) said there wouldn't be because "it would be better to put that time and money into making a new game"


So no, there won't ever be a PS3 port. What they could do however is re-release the game on PS2 in a bundle. That really wouldn't be too hard for them to do, and would be nice given that the PS2 HDD is discontinued and thus you can't even get a hold of the basic game's CDs for PS2 anymore.

[Shadowneko]

Because its a PS2 game.

Not a good enough excuse as Sony is making more $$$ off of the PS2 stuff than the PS3 stuff right now XD

What they could do however is re-release the game on PS2 in a bundle. That really wouldn't be too hard for them to do, and would be nice given that the PS2 HDD is discontinued and thus you can't even get a hold of the basic game's CDs for PS2 anymore.

Exactly what I'm hoping SE will do and why I asked the similar question months ago. One SE rep was dropping hints in an interview about WOTG but it could just be wishfull thinking...

[Mhurron]

Not a good enough excuse as Sony is making more $$$ off of the PS2 stuff than the PS3 stuff right now XD
Sony != SE

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Not a good enough excuse as Sony is making more $$$ off of the PS2 stuff than the PS3 stuff right now XD

FFXI isn't going to sell PS3s and SE has already stated they're not planning anything else for PS3 beyond the FFXIII projects and the Last Remnant until PS3's sales improve.

So I wouldn't get my hopes up. The money is still in PS2.

[Malacite]

While I admited to my own optimism in my last post, did everyone just skip past the part about the president of the company saying there will not be any more FFXI ports?

Much as I'd like otherwise, it's safe to assume they're done re-selling the game. At this point you'll have to just get it for PC or 360.

[Shadowneko]

While I admited to my own optimism in my last post, did everyone just skip past the part about the president of the company saying there will not be any more FFXI ports?

Much as I'd like otherwise, it's safe to assume they're done re-selling the game. At this point you'll have to just get it for PC or 360.

Yes no more new "ports" but a collection of PS2 install disks aimed at the PS3's backwards compatibility does not fall under that heading. It would simply be re-releasing a version that already exists(Greatest hits anyone?). That's what I want to see...and it's part of what we're discussing here...

[Malacite]

I'd like to see it too, but Yoichi Wada seems dead-set on not making any more releases apart from the new expanions. It's silly I know, but that's SE for you.

[Raydeus]

1UP: Lastly, when Wings ships, do you guys plan to offer a PS3 version, since the PS3 has its own built-in hard drive? I mean beyond supporting the older PS2 version. HT: You mean like a packaged release? No, with the version update now you can play the PS2 version at PS2 resolutions, but there aren't any plans to do a PS3 version in the works.

This thread just DIAF.

[Shadowneko]

Yeah but 1up asked the wrong question...what they shouda asked is something like: Do you have any plans to release a collection of the PS2 installs since they work on the PS3?

That's what I want to ask SE!

[favian]

I was going to make the same thread, glad to see a similar one on the front page yes. Please rerelease it for PS3 with some graphical improvements, bluetooth keyboard support, expanded translation support.
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Because its a PS2 game.

No its not. Let's not bullshit here. It's intended to be a multiplatform game, from the get go. PS3 should be one of those platforms, not a half assed ps2 version with dated graphics, but one that takes advantage of ps3's HD capabilities, and compiles all the expansion packs as an incentive to migrate to ps3. They ported it to xbox360, a platform that doesn't have a huge rpg fanbase here in america (mostly an action based console), they' have more success on a sony console imo.

PS3 is built from the ground up with a hard drive and online capabilities, it is much more suited for ps3 than ps2, Square, are you listening?

[Feba]

favian: apparently you've never actually played any version of FFXI.

FFXI is a PS2 game. Period.

[favian]

favian: apparently you've never actually played any version of FFXI.

FFXI is a PS2 game. Period.

I see, so i guess when i played it at my friend's house for the first time on the ps2 5 years ago, then later on my windows pc, and then later testing out the beta on my friend's 360, i should have realized it was a single platform game. Thanks for the heads up.


Oh i also should have ignored square enix's new company mission statement/motto to embrace every single platform out there?

Sorry it hurt your feelings to remind you that it is not a single platform title, and that it was never intended to be exclusively for ps2 from the get go.

Any way, Square, if you really do troll these boards, ignore the inane rantings of your fans who want FFXI limited to aging consoles that will soon be phased out, and be completely replaced by newer generation consoles or pc's.

It makes financial and economic sense to port it to ps3 just like it made sense to port to 360....... or to rerelease the ps2 game at a cheaper price for ps3 users who always wanted to play but never wanted invest the first initial $100 to jump in when they owned ps2s.... It's called EXPANDING THE USERBASE by Increasing the availability of your software.

sane people need only reply.

[Feba]

You might play FFXI on a 360, but it's still a PS2 game. Every single time FFXI has been released on a new platform, there have been practically no improvements. The Xbox got a longer draw distance. Whoop-ity-freaking-doo.

The PS3 is a failing console, and FFXI is an old game. Do you realize how few subscribers SE gained releasing it on 360, a far more popular console?

Anyway, last I checked SE is making Vana Collection 08 on PS2, which should work fine on PS3. Remaking FFXI for PS3 would be a waste at this point, they'd be better off making an all new game.

[favian]

You might play FFXI on a 360, but it's still a PS2 game.

lol, wrong. Contradictions escape the scope of your rationale?

[Feba]

It's called WASTING MONEY by remaking your software for an insanely small market.


loleditingaftersomeoneposts.

Also fixed.

[favian]

loleditingaftersomeoneposts.

Also fixed.

So are you the resident asshole here? Or the one that never looked up the word community in the dictionary?

[Necropolis]

I don't believe it was ever intended to be a multi-platform game. SE looked to expanding it to PC when Sony decided to cut off support for the PS2 harddrive that's required to run the game. So opposed to letting the game die out with the PS2 harddrives they ported to PC then Xbox360. They already had intentions to expand to Xbox but had problems with Microsoft or something like that.

While multi-platforming is great it's caused a lot of problems in game. People complaining that PS2 had less lag than other systems, PC version introducing hacks and cheats (making it a lot easier for RMT), and some initial bitching about Xbox having better graphics.

At this stage in the game I see no reason to fix something about the game that isn't broken. The game runs just fine on PS3, why invest amount of money required to redo all the graphics to make the game better on a console that it already runs on? Why don't you just play on PC and up the resolutions, you'd get better results than a SE job on the graphics.

While I don't think FFXI is near the end of it's lifecycle, but it is an ageing game. And we know that SE is already working on another MMO. So not only is there no reason to redo everything about the game to make it work 'better' on a console that already runs it; but they're also stretching thier manpower over working on the upcoming expansion, updating the game as it is now, and working on a new MMO.

To say it makes financial sense to port it to the PS3 makes no sense. I sincerly don't think anyone would buy a PS3 just to play FFXI, PS3 sales are not that great, and the game already runs on PS3. They are releasing a collection of the game for PS2 (that will surely work on PS3) with the expansion so that anyone who has a PS3 can easily move to that console without having to search for all the seperate expansions.

Just because the PS2 is an 'aging' console now, doesn't mean it was when they developed the game. The logic you're using they should never make games for consoles because at some point they will be considered 'aging'. And they do all age, and new better faster games become available to play. Most games do not enjoy such popularity after 5 years.

[favian]

I don't believe it was ever intended to be a multi-platform game. SE looked to expanding it to PC when Sony decided to cut off support for the PS2 harddrive that's required to run the game. So opposed to letting the game die out with the PS2 harddrives they ported to PC then Xbox360. They already had intentions to expand to Xbox but had problems with Microsoft or something like that.

While multi-platforming is great it's caused a lot of problems in game. People complaining that PS2 had less lag than other systems, PC version introducing hacks and cheats (making it a lot easier for RMT), and some initial bitching about Xbox having better graphics.

At this stage in the game I see no reason to fix something about the game that isn't broken. The game runs just fine on PS2, why invest amount of money required to redo all the graphics to make the game better on a console that it already runs on? Why don't you just play on PC and up the resolutions, you'd get better results than a SE job on the graphics.

While I don't think FFXI is near the end of it's lifecycle, but it is an ageing game. And we know that SE is already working on another MMO. So not only is there no reason to redo everything about the game to make it work 'better' on a console that already runs it; but they're also stretching thier manpower over working on the upcoming expansion, updating the game as it is now, and working on a new MMO.

To say it makes financial sense to port it to the PS3 makes no sense. I sincerly don't think anyone would buy a PS3 just to play FFXI, PS3 sales are not that great, and the game already runs on PS3. They are releasing a collection of the game for PS2 (that will surely work on PS3) with the expansion so that anyone who has a PS3 can easily move to that console without having to search for all the seperate expansions.

Just because the PS2 is an 'aging' console now, doesn't mean it was when they developed the game. The logic you're using they should never make games for consoles because at some point they will be considered 'aging'. And they do all age, and new better faster games become available to play. Most games do not enjoy such popularity after 5 years.

Applause for the sensible and mature responses/rebuttals i was looking for from this community. For a minute i was afraid all the forum posters were like Feba.

[Necropolis]

Applause for the sensible and mature responses/rebuttals i was looking for from this community. For a minute i was afraid all the forum posters were like Feba.

Feba, despite appearing as asshole at times, is usually correct. He simply does not always write 10 paragraphs to support his views, especially when what he's stating is most likely already posted. I'm sure if I read through this thread everything I said in my post has already been stated.

Feba, however, is the man to talk to about technical jargon and such.

[favian]

I'll pass on communication with smug assholes :)
Right or Wrong, agree or disagree a mature dialogue is always the most desirable. Thanks Necropolis.

Off to bed

[Malacite]

There's a new PS2 compilation coming with Wing's release. Buy that, download the PS2 HDD from the PSN and you're golden.

Thread Closed ?

[Skadi]

There's a new PS2 compilation coming with Wing's release. Buy that, download the PS2 HDD from the PSN and you're golden.

Thread Closed ?

Aren't the brand new PS3's coming out with the 40GB HD not including the backwards compatible hardware? So the PS2 version wouldn't work for them anyway?

[Malacite]

Yes, which means you either buy the 80 GB model or a PS2.

[favian]

Yes, which means you either buy the 80 GB model or a PS2.

that's too bad, they should emphasize the game for pc, since its much more flexible. the slimline ps2 doesn't support ffxi, neither does the new ps3's, so a console user's options are limited. The phasing out of ps2 compatability is a solid reason to release a ps3 port. There is a good chance the ps3 won't even be a successful platform anyway, which limits its potential subscribers even further.

[Murphie]

that's too bad, they should emphasize the game for pc, since its much more flexible. the slimline ps2 doesn't support ffxi, neither does the new ps3's, so a console user's options are limited. The phasing out of ps2 compatability is a solid reason to release a ps3 port. There is a good chance the ps3 won't even be a successful platform anyway, which limits its potential subscribers even further.Until the number of FFXI users who access the game via the PS2 becomes a smaller group, that is unlikely to happen.

[Malacite]

over 2/3 of populace (at least in japan) are PS2 users.

[eticket109]

This idea has been brought up in numerous forms over the last 3 years or so. SE has never made any steps to improve the game technology (other then the 360 tweak Feba mentioned) and they probably never will.

It's the standard for MMOs overall though. From what I've seen, it's rare for an MMO to overhaul their engine on an existing franchise when they can just start a new franchise and make money off of both. (see: EQ & EQ2)

[favian]

Until the number of FFXI users who access the game via the PS2 becomes a smaller group, that is unlikely to happen.

aw. you're right though. in japan, the ps3 doesnt really have waning popularity that it has here in america, so i'm sure they're satisfied with the ps3 support of the ffxi ps2. they won't have that problem of ps3's that don't have backward compatibility.

oh well.

[Raydeus]

So are you the resident asshole here? Or the one that never looked up the word community in the dictionary?

Feba is Feba. d(^^ )

[Tatsuhara]

Thread Closed ?
It should be. :|

Anyway, just use the PS2 collection they're releasing Favian.
You can find it here (http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=281831).

[Feba]

From what I've seen, it's rare for an MMO to overhaul their engine on an existing franchise when they can just start a new franchise and make money off of both. (see: EQ & EQ2)

Just to be an asshole, EQ IS the franchise. They're making a new game in the franchise.

Really though, the only good thing to come out of EQ2 was /pizza.

And it is rare, but it's also more than possible. Heck, look at EVE Online, not only are they upgrading their DX8 engine to DX10, they're also making ports for Linux and Mac. If SE put that much love into FFXI, I'd subscribe until the end of the game out of principle.

[Murphie]

Have you played EQ2 lately, Feba? It's a really good game.

[Feba]

I'm not saying it's not a good game, just that the only good thing to come out of it was /pizza.

[favian]

http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product%5Fid=281831

nice good idea to release that

too bad i have to buy an older ps2 model or older ps3 model to be able to play it (if i didn't want to use a PC)...

hmm

[eticket109]

Just to be an asshole, EQ IS the franchise. They're making a new game in the franchise.


touche

[Donomni]

There's a new PS2 compilation coming with Wing's release. Buy that, download the PS2 HDD from the PSN and you're golden.

Thread Closed ?

Well great, now I had to register for this.

...I was going to anyway, but meh.

If you go to Sony's site, you will notice that when you search FFXI on the 80GB compatibility list, it says that during installation, it'll hang. For CoP and ToAU:

Due to issues with the installation of Final Fantasy XI, the user is unable to play this title.

In Layman's terms: FFXI is unplayable on the 80GB PS3. This is a problem, as not only are the old-model PS2s not being made, but the only PS3s that can run FFXI aren't being made either. The 60GB PS3s are still around, but they won't be forever.

I'm actually going to ask a seperate question on this forum because of this.