Chayaya and his business.

[wrongfeifong]

Seriously, on my server no one even brother to save chayaya, it been 3rd week in a row i didn't get the dice i need from him.

Is there even another way to pick up fighter roll and rogue's roll ?

[Murphie]

There is not (save the AH - which on your server is obviously not an option, since there aren't any for sale).

Is there a reason why you and a few friends can't go rescue Chayaya?

[Mhurron]

Obviously thats something someone else is supposed to do.

[Murphie]

Obviously.

[Mhurron]

Quite.

[wrongfeifong]

Umm how am i suppose to save chayaya when my highest level job is corsair which is 41 right now. I heard it is quite dangerous as it is. Not to mention, there is no information that direct where exactly chayaya is held.

I am fine leveling a corsair without the higher tier rolls :P until SE stop being stupid and move the dice over to another npc.

This is also a concern for all you corsairs, why? this is the reason why no one play corsair, not because it is expensive. It is because there are no dice available which make corsair quit during 20-30... making demand for iron bullets and item low. It mean crafter not willing to overcraft more items for the market which also mean price will increase because everyone competites to one item.

Its a chain reaction....support the community and let SE heard their stupid flaw.

[Murphie]

So you don't have any friends higher in level than you who could rescue Chayaya?

To liberate a captive, proceed to appropriate beastmen strongholds (Mamook, Halvung or Arrapago Reef) and locate the prison cells or hatches. Open the cell/hatch by picking the lock (by having Thief use Thief's Tools) or using the appropriate key (Mamook Blackscale Key, Halvung Brass Key or Lamian Bone Key respectively).

* After a Besieged, captive Serpent Generals should be the top priority in being liberated as Beastmen forces are more likely to win the next besieged if they only have to defeat 2 or 3 Serpent Generals to break the seal.
* Many players are reluctant to risk EXP going into the strongholds to rescue the NPCs.

After you liberate an NPC, speak to them when you arrive back in town. He will reward you with 100 Imperial Standing points (500 if the NPC is a Serpent General) and a ??? Item. NPCs seem to give ??? Boxes more often than other ??? Items.

[Taskmage]

You "heard" it's dangerous meaning you haven't even tried for yourself. You've spent three weeks waiting around for someone else to do the work for you and complaining about how bad it is on corsairs and you don't even know what it is you have to do to get the NPC back.

I'll be honest with you, it is hard. But if all you've done is sit on your hands and haven't even taken the first step towards trying to help yourself, I have no pity on you.

[Mhurron]

/runs and hides
OMG! Taskmage is on a rampage!

He's right though

[Murphie]

Taskmage is <3.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

This is also a concern for all you corsairs, why? this is the reason why no one play corsair, not because it is expensive. It is because there are no dice available which make corsair quit during 20-30... making demand for iron bullets and item low. It mean crafter not willing to overcraft more items for the market which also mean price will increase because everyone competites to one item.

Only die I ever had a problem getting were the Black Mage Die. All the others I bought in advance at the first opportunity.

You act like you speak for all CORs, yet even non-CORs told you this is a job you prepare heavily for, but you bumrushed it anyway and now here you are at a stopgap.

Should we be surprised? I worked out NIN and RNG before I really moved COR up and it afforded me the extra time to take care of such things. Take your time.

[Spider-Dan]

In all fairness, there really isn't anything you can do as a LV41 (unless you're a LV41 THF) other than shouting, "hey, can you guys go get the dice NPC?" in Whitegate.

Which might be what the OP needs to do.

[Feba]

correct: shout "Hey, can you guys go get the dice NPC? 100k."

[Taskmage]

To get the key requires at least one level 75. The lower level keydroppers are DC at 75. A decent soloing job (rdm, nin, drg, pup, bst, maybe pld or blm) could take out the keydroppers. Once you have the key, saving the NPC is just a matter of MGSing the stronghold, which is no more dangerous for a level 41 character than it is for a level 75 because the mobs are so tough and abundant. Basically if you get aggro, warp the fluff out.

If it helps any, the NPCs always seem to get thrown in the same cell every time. I've rescued Chayaya twice in Mamook and she was always at the line between F-7 and G-7, on the south edge of the water. This is one of the most heavily guarded rooms, since there are Mamool who detect sight, Sahagin who detect sound, and Poroggos at each corner of the room that detect by true sight and are T to 75. The one blessing is that there is a lot of space between mobs so it's easy to get away and recast your stealth spells.

I hear you, Spider-Dan, it's a hard situation that they couldn't get out of without help. But they haven't even tried to fix it for themselves. The OP didn't even know what was involved in saving an NPC, didn't ask for the missing information or make a thread in the server forums looking for help. They just "heard" it was dangerous and when nobody did the work for them completely unprompted, they just gave up and started complaining to SE.

[wrongfeifong]

i looked around for information already, asked few people. No one would even come help me pick up the npc, i shouted on the server for 4 straight hour. All i got are response "Get it yourself".

Do i even have to offer 100k to do it? when the dice already cost me an arm and a leg? This is something SE really take a look at, corsair wasn't design as a super advance job require having 3 level 75 chr before even play this.

If this job is as expensive as ranger then no one should even play ranger when the game release and yet people did play it so corsair is possible for 1st main job.

I restarted on a new server, i don't have any high level friends that willing to waste hours to search for NPC through many stronghold for rescue a NPC that give no returns.

Just FYI, i tried walk around the stronghold to see if i could even find the npc before i ask for help, guess what...i delevel my whm @ 32 to almost back to 30 already trying. I know where the gates are but they all need keys or some even have sight sight monster blocking.

I even tried to bond many Corsair that leveling to help, guess what? they just told me "Just wait until someone decide to do it or just level without it"

Don't just assume i didn't even do anything, its 3 week and i tried many ways before i am my limit of my patient. (and for BBQ, i leveled all my sub to 37 already to even prepare corsair, i even leveled brd to 30 brought every possible +1 items until AF... if they you tell that isn't well prepared, i don't know what is)

[Feba]

corsair wasn't design as a super advance job require having 3 level 75 chr before even play this.
Do you remember the job quest? at all?

Do you remember SAM? NIN? To a lesser extent, DRG?

Just because you CAN unlock a job at 30 doesn't mean you're meant to.

[Mhurron]

Do i even have to offer 100k to do it? when the dice already cost me an arm and a leg?
You expect people to help you for nothing? If people wanted to do it for fun it would have happened already, so you're going to have to offer some incentive.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I restarted on a new server, i don't have any high level friends that willing to waste hours to search for NPC through many stronghold for rescue a NPC that give no returns.

I have a really hard time believing that Chayaya is always kidnapped. Perhaps, at the very least, you could log in on an early morning and check during JP prime time. JP players are much more jazzed about beseiged and saving prisoners than thier NA counterparts.

You could transfer back to your old server now and see if your old frinds can help you.


(and for BBQ, i leveled all my sub to 37 already to even prepare corsair, i even leveled brd to 30 brought every possible +1 items until AF... if they you tell that isn't well prepared, i don't know what is)


How do you get all +1ed out and NIN, RNG, WHM and BRD levelled in the span of a month? You don't have the jobs to farm it or the jobs to BCNM this kind of gil. So where did it come from? You were really hesistant to spend a dime on playing this job before, so how did this all come about? You would have spent well over 2 million levelling all of this if you went by HQs as you claim.

If you have this kind of gil, why do you act like bullets and dice should be charitable items given away by SE?

Sorry, it just doesn't add up.

[Kailea]

should have done what I did, I did not want to run into the problem you have, so I just bought all the dice up to the level I was stopping at (37)
Granted you are takeing it higher, but you still could have done the same thing. Would have been a hit to the pocket and space, but it would have been safer.

[silentsteel]

Do you remember the job quest? at all?

Do you remember SAM? NIN? To a lesser extent, DRG?

Just because you CAN unlock a job at 30 doesn't mean you're meant to.

You're forgeting how Smn used to be before the mini-avies. =p

[Feba]

No, I just forgot SMN period.

[wrongfeifong]

For BBQ, it was real easy to level sub as i only leveled with crappy gear, make my own party and no one would complain about your gear. I don't use food or anything but i DO make effective party. I haven't been in a party that doesn't level once at least within an hour or two. I am sorry i lied about /Nin, i really haven't even brother to evel /nin as of yet... even when i almost have the frame for utsusemi: ichi. The reason is i am avoding any group that require to pull and i am planning to do /brd from 50-60 (44 right now doing /rng for skillup) and 61-75 as /rng. I am still being cheap, fire only once of twice every once in awhile, get enough MM and ditch. I only using close to 1 stack of bullet per level (60k for 12). I do have alot +1 and ONLY shooting since 41 (after i got Af1). The +1 for me are used when i leveled my rng to 38 and leveling rng using MM only cost me 40k total in ammo.

Another thing, BBQ, most party doesn't even care whether the corsair does dmg or not as long your rolls land and you are not missing any. I usually ask "I am sorry to trouble, please be honest...tell me am i even useful to the party" and i never got a complain...because every party i get 3 hour = 2-4 level. Took me half a week from 1-29 (then level rng to 38) and 5 day from 29-44. Please keep in mind, i am leveling here...not doing endgame, i don't need best gear to deal dmg. Thank to the fact that most people already 75 they are provide most what they can while i could relax and take it easy.

As a veteran player, making money is like cake for me. i have made over 600k so it was nothing. I will follow my plan as i got i won't expect over 400k ammo (90k per 12 iron now) until 75.

I am not playing corsair as a DD, i am playing it because i enjoy buffing support my team and have some freedom with DD.

As for Feba... Seriously, i am doubting whether you even played this game from the start or just joined for a few month or you are just here on the forum trolling. When US joined in around 2003-2004, everyone picked drg, nin, and even sam. Alot of SAM for sure. These people have class highest level 30..usually warrior. Please tell me, why do you even think corsair is not for 1st time job? I could say it for SMN but many SMN just leveled to 50 with carbuncle and it DOES work. SMN are basically healers for most part.

Just because the game released few years and everyone already 75+ does not mean it require a 75 in the first 6 basic job to play any class.

P.S Please stop telling me corsair is not for 1st time job, i have calculate ir..planned ahead, i reached 44 with rng 38 and brd 25 whm 32 (delvl). I just returned mid-may and i been camping chayaya ever since. (just not every hour)

[Feba]

I've already explained my opinion. Not all jobs are meant to be done by anyone of any level. If you try to, expect trouble. Yes, it's possible to level SMN without getting the avatars, *so why don't you just follow their example and level COR without the dice that you are too low level to obtain?*

[Kailea]

wow you admit you level your other jobs with crappy gear and no food? I would never want to PT with you -.-

I have leveled all jobs but BST and PUP (working on PUP right now) to 37, and I never "skimmed" on anything. I always had good gear on, maybe not the OMG best, but I have close to it.

No matter what you are leveling, you should give it your all, or dont do it. In fact one of the reasons why I leveled all these jobs, was so I could get a basic idea of how they will be in a party, so when I level with my main DRG I can preform better, because I know alittle bit about the other jobs in my PT.

[wrongfeifong]

Not everyone is like you kailea, got all the time in the world to devote to a game. I want to be as effective as possible reaching level 75 fastest in my favor class. This is my playing style. It is fine you don't have to party with me, i am ok with that. There are always someone else willing to party just because i don't eat some 10k food that last 30 min or use an item that give refresh which cost 500k for only 10 time.

At least i am honest, i usually will say "Ranged Attack X Gun X" in my comment, people still invite me regardless and my party has always been effective.

As for feba, i am complainning because this something that SE should take a look at, giving better reward may increase the chance of people rescue chayaya. Or even a static location at least. I still haven't locate chayaya as of yet. I will level without my dice until someone does. If not by 58 i will form a server team for people about to level corsair to rescue him, but for now i really stress not enough on how this really turn out. For 4 weeks now, chayaya still missing on my server, meaning absolutely no corsair even trying to get their dice.

[Feba]

As a veteran player, making money is like cake for me.
Then why can't you pay someone to take care of this for you?

Not everyone is like you kailea, got all the time in the world to devote to a game.
Of course, being a good player means you have no life. Sour grapes much? If you're a crappy player, you're a crappy player, not someone with a life. If it takes too much time for you, play something else.

meaning absolutely no corsair even trying to get their dice.
Exactly. If you aren't trying to save him, it's your own damn fault.

[Kailea]

I was going to say it but Feba beat me ;p

I do have a life, but I also know how to manage my Gil very well. and don't try and level more then one job at a time, doing this allows me to level at a decent speed, and keep space and gil in my pocket.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

For BBQ, it was real easy to level sub as i only leveled with crappy gear, make my own party and no one would complain about your gear.

I haven't been in a party that doesn't level once at least within an hour or two. I am sorry i lied about /Nin, i really haven't even brother to evel /nin as of yet... even when i almost have the frame for utsusemi: ichi. The reason is i am avoding any group that require to pull and i am planning to do /brd from 50-60 (44 right now doing /rng for skillup) and 61-75 as /rng. I am still being cheap, fire only once of twice every once in awhile, get enough MM and ditch. I only using close to 1 stack of bullet per level (60k for 12). I do have alot +1 and ONLY shooting since 41 (after i got Af1). The +1 for me are used when i leveled my rng to 38 and leveling rng using MM only cost me 40k total in ammo.

Another thing, BBQ, most party doesn't even care whether the corsair does dmg or not as long your rolls land and you are not missing any. I usually ask "I am sorry to trouble, please be honest...tell me am i even useful to the party" and i never got a complain...because every party i get 3 hour = 2-4 level. Took me half a week from 1-29 (then level rng to 38) and 5 day from 29-44. Please keep in mind, i am leveling here...not doing endgame, i don't need best gear to deal dmg. Thank to the fact that most people already 75 they are provide most what they can while i could relax and take it easy.

As a veteran player, making money is like cake for me. i have made over 600k so it was nothing. I will follow my plan as i got i won't expect over 400k ammo (90k per 12 iron now) until 75.

I am not playing corsair as a DD, i am playing it because i enjoy buffing support my team and have some freedom with DD.

As for Feba... Seriously, i am doubting whether you even played this game from the start or just joined for a few month or you are just here on the forum trolling. When US joined in around 2003-2004, everyone picked drg, nin, and even sam. Alot of SAM for sure. These people have class highest level 30..usually warrior. Please tell me, why do you even think corsair is not for 1st time job? I could say it for SMN but many SMN just leveled to 50 with carbuncle and it DOES work. SMN are basically healers for most part.

Just because the game released few years and everyone already 75+ does not mean it require a 75 in the first 6 basic job to play any class.

P.S Please stop telling me corsair is not for 1st time job, i have calculate ir..planned ahead, i reached 44 with rng 38 and brd 25 whm 32 (delvl). I just returned mid-may and i been camping chayaya ever since. (just not every hour)

Oh god, where could I even start with this? I've seen some bad CORs and some horribly noobish posts on Allakazham and KI, but this nearly takes the taco. Hell, contrasting this thread to those found on Allakazham is an insult to Allazites.

You have no idea how to do this job. There are plenty of other wolves to throw you to here, I'll just leave you to them now.

[wrongfeifong]

I seriously didn't want this post turned into "Let's evalute how well this person play corsair".

All i want to know is Chayaya's location and another way to work around to get dice, not turning into "Let's discuss how bad this person is".

I have not yet gotten a complaint about my job, i might not spam 10 stacks bullets per fight or eat some 12k sushi for 30 min. But i did what everyone wanted ...Keeping rolls up and sleep +dispell whatever danger come.

I even got many people feel i am doing ok, /befriend me after a party. Like i said, i am very honest i usually will discuss how well i perform in the group and ask many question about corsair.

How well i play corsair and my play style is my own enjoyment, don't judge me when you never see how i perform.

Please either GET BACK to the topic or stop replying .... either if you know where chayaya possibility be (48 right now) or just stay out of the thread...i will be seriously going to reporting you if you just keep telling me how to do my life.

[IfritnoItazura]

I don't understand; if you are not able to rescue the NPC yourself, why not just hold off leveling for a bit, until you can get the roll(s)?

My first job was THF. Once I realized how bad my gears were compared to the better THF's, I stopped leveling it for nearly two months to farm (was a bad farmer--still is) just for gear upgrades.

Now, you don't have to go farm continuously (though you probably should, if you were not treating other jobs you've leveled with due respect), but there's so much one can do in this game you shouldn't run out of things to occupy your time before the NPC is rescued.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I don't understand; if you are not able to rescue the NPC yourself, why not just hold off leveling for a bit, until you can get the roll(s)?

My first job was THF. Once I realized how bad my gears were compared to the better THF's, I stopped leveling it for nearly two months to farm (was a bad farmer--still is) just for gear upgrades.

Now, you don't have to go farm continuously (though you probably should, if you were not treating other jobs you've leveled with due respect), but there's so much one can do in this game you shouldn't run out of things to occupy your time before the NPC is rescued.

I just don't get it either, there's no checkered flag there for you at 75 and continuing to level without Rouge's Roll - and it looks like he'll go right past Fighter's Roll too - is just neglectful. Even Warlock's Roll is somewhat worthwhile at his level.

Look at the bigger picture, please.

There's a lot you could be making an effort to work for that goes well beyond just getting COR to 75. I don't really even judge a COR by endgame stuff, but the things they could have worked toward prior:

Fenrir's Earring (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Fenrir%27s_Earring)
Lightning Ring (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Lightning_Ring)
Gun Belt (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Gun_Belt)
Beater's Earring (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Beater%27s_Earring)
Moldavite Earring (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Moldavite_Earring)
Drone Earrings
Ranged Accuracy/AGI Rings
Peacock Charm (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Peacock_Charm)
Coffinmaker (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Coffinmaker)
Fire/Wind/Light Staff
Deadeye Gloves (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Deadeye_Gloves)
Jaridah Peti (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Jaridah_Peti)
Jarida Salvars (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Jaridah_Salvars)
Racial RSEs (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/RSE)
Joyeuse (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Joyeuse)

And lots of other little things.

There's a lot of ground to cover at varying levels, many ways to improve your COR along the way before 75. I didn't have to have all of this stuff, but I made it a point to have a lot of it before I got to 75 and endgame activities.

And I had another character at 75 originally, too. I wasn't the only person out there starting over from the bottom to get back to high level, but I didn't dare level COR again until I had some of these things and that's not mentioning all the things I halted RNG for along the way.

If you really care about your job, you don't stop your PT to ask "How's my Pirating?" You do this stuff instead and let your performance speak for itself.

[Kailea]

yeah best to just level something else till the NPC is back, I level PUP from 10 to 20 while I was waiting to get my dice from that NPC. I bought all the dice to cover myself through 10-37.

[Lmnop]

why all the hate? Are you guys just enjoying finding someone to make a spectacle of? Well then, carry on.

The opinion that not all jobs are meant to be leveled right at 30 is exactly that: an opinion. Don't make it fact and make it advice to someone. A monk at level 40 will have more expenses than any Corsair's dice. I don't see people saying MNK is a "2nd job only."

Not that I support gimping through sub jobs. :P And sorry, I don't have anything useful to offer you in ways of getting dice.

[Mhurron]

A monk at level 40 will have more expenses than any Corsair's dice. I don't see people saying MNK is a "2nd job only."
Actually, I have seen that suggested. At the very least, it is a job where you would be expected to stop leveling it for periods of time to drum up some gil.

[Srxjo]

make friends have them help you, ask your LS they might help you

[Lunaryn]

As for where Chayaya is, If you put the cursor on a beastmen stronghold on /bmap, you'll get info including how many prisoners they have. If one stronghold always has the same number of prisoners, or if only one actually has prisoners, that should give you an idea. Check ffxi-atlas.com for maps of the strongholds, that'll show you where the cells are located.

I used to rescue prisoners from Arrapago Reef on my upper-50s THF using stockpiled Living Keys (skill synth from Alchemy) and Skeleton Keys (Key Ring Belt). Once you get the hang of aggro-dodging it's not that bad. There's one cell block I have never managed to rescue prisoners from, the one guarded by two true sight Lamia NMs (the closest one to the entrance), but the other cells are unguarded and you can take as much time as you need opening the cells. I note that I tended to have a LOT more failures picking locks during Gloom weather, so I recommend waiting that out when it happens.

I stopped doing this because, especially given the need to buy oils for Sneak, it's fairly expensive for not that much reward. Waste a stack of oils and two stacks of keys and don't actually manage to rescue someone, and you'll be having second thoughts about it too. Honestly, I think SE needs to at least up the IS rewards on rescuing; I've had runs where I spent more IS getting there (runic portal to Ilrusi Atoll) than I got from subsequent rescues.

I might go back to doing this when I hit WHM or RDM 25, though. The aggro-dodging is good practice, if nothing else.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

why all the hate? Are you guys just enjoying finding someone to make a spectacle of? Well then, carry on.

This started in the Ask SE Questions forum by Wrongfeifong. It wasn't a question, it was an order to SE. He said this was the catalyst for COR's low population, which is laughable.

The opinion that not all jobs are meant to be leveled right at 30 is exactly that: an opinion. Don't make it fact and make it advice to someone. A monk at level 40 will have more expenses than any Corsair's dice. I don't see people saying MNK is a "2nd job only."

I'm afriad Feba isn't totally off the mark. COR is just as much a preparation-oriented job, if not moreso, than RNG. To play a well-versed COR, you'd have to have some considerable experience with RDM, BRD and RNG and what they do to even be prepared to capitalize on the skills of COR. To even level BLU to 75 with a complete set of spells, you'd need Sea access and to solo effectively on BLU or PUP you'd need some BST and RDM knowledge.

That said, MNK is a job that hits stuff with its fists. That's the whole job in a nutshell, if you can show me a job that prepares one for the rigorious training of MNK, I'll happily accept correction. Walk up to a mob and punch it, that's it. A MNK might buy more expensive gear than COR at 40, but COR is spending more in the long haul and not reselling much armor in the process... at least if they're playing it right.

MNK actually sounds Wrong's speed, but I fear he'd skip levelling WHM, a MND build and many worthwhile H2H weapons along the way.

[Aksannyi]

This might not be the best time to bring this up ...

But isn't Chayaya a girl? Tarutarus with one name are female and Tarutarus with two names are male. Thread title phails.

Good luck getting your die though.

[Mhurron]

This might not be the best time to bring this up ...
But isn't Chayaya a girl? Tarutarus with one name are female and Tarutarus with two names are male.
This is true. Too many people don't ever notice the little subtleties to Vana'diel.

[Feba]

A monk at level 40 will have more expenses than any Corsair's dice. I don't see people saying MNK is a "2nd job only."
Expenses != Not being able to do a job.

if you read my post at all, you'd realize I'm talking about things like important items, job quests, item quests, etc. Nope, MNK isn't a 2nd job- because those things that a MNK MUST HAVE at lv40 can actually be reasonably done by someone at lv40 (Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brown Belt is lv35~ish mobs, O.Kote is a lv30ish mob, Jujitsu Gi is around lv42ish?) or a small group of people at 40. Said Corsair items cannot.

[wrongfeifong]

OK this time i went to look as a 31whm/rng, i finally notice that widescan actually pick up npc name within the area as level 15 rng. I went in Arrapago island (which require most key) 3-4 time ran around all i could pick up is one prisoner, i have no idea how to enter the 2nd patch of cells. At least i need more lamia key as it seem.

Personnally i don't like to add in the arguement ever further but could you guy even just keep in mind, this is a first job. First job for most player is already very hard, even if i say making money is cake, i don't make alot per hour. Seriously, when i leveled my brd to 75 asap, everyone i party with have crappy gear you would see a drg without life belt and you would see no one even have peacock charm. +1 item? no one even brothered. It is because this game have been around for years and there are already many rich veteran it doesn't necessary require the new player to farm 10 times harder then a veteran with 75 could for items. It was easy as a 75 brd to farm money 1-2 million is fast. But farming 1-2 million as a 20 is not an easy task.

Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

[Kailea]

OK this time i went to look as a 31whm/rng, i finally notice that widescan actually pick up npc name within the area as level 15 rng. I went in Arrapago island (which require most key) 3-4 time ran around all i could pick up is one prisoner, i have no idea how to enter the 2nd patch of cells. At least i need more lamia key as it seem.
Personnally i don't like to add in the arguement ever further but could you guy even just keep in mind, this is a first job. First job for most player is already very hard, even if i say making money is cake, i don't make alot per hour. Seriously, when i leveled my brd to 75 asap, everyone i party with have crappy gear you would see a drg without life belt and you would see no one even have peacock charm. +1 item? no one even brothered. It is because this game have been around for years and there are already many rich veteran it doesn't necessary require the new player to farm 10 times harder then a veteran with 75 could for items. It was easy as a 75 brd to farm money 1-2 million is fast. But farming 1-2 million as a 20 is not an easy task.
Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

Your example there is a bit much... peacock charm +1?? good lord
There is a difference between crappy, average, and best. As long as you always shoot for average you will be fine.

[Feba]

Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.
and you still don't get the point.

[Srxjo]

Your example there is a bit much... peacock charm +1?? good lord
There is a difference between crappy, average, and best. As long as you always shoot for average you will be fine.
OK this time i went to look as a 31whm/rng, i finally notice that widescan actually pick up npc name within the area as level 15 rng. I went in Arrapago island (which require most key) 3-4 time ran around all i could pick up is one prisoner, i have no idea how to enter the 2nd patch of cells. At least i need more lamia key as it seem.

Personnally i don't like to add in the arguement ever further but could you guy even just keep in mind, this is a first job. First job for most player is already very hard, even if i say making money is cake, i don't make alot per hour. Seriously, when i leveled my brd to 75 asap, everyone i party with have crappy gear you would see a drg without life belt and you would see no one even have peacock charm. +1 item? no one even brothered. It is because this game have been around for years and there are already many rich veteran it doesn't necessary require the new player to farm 10 times harder then a veteran with 75 could for items. It was easy as a 75 brd to farm money 1-2 million is fast. But farming 1-2 million as a 20 is not an easy task.

Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

there is a Full Stop in the middle he never mentioned PC +1

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

OK this time i went to look as a 31whm/rng, i finally notice that widescan actually pick up npc name within the area as level 15 rng. I went in Arrapago island (which require most key) 3-4 time ran around all i could pick up is one prisoner, i have no idea how to enter the 2nd patch of cells. At least i need more lamia key as it seem.

You can only get one lamia fang key per conquest week, but there's more than one way to enter this area. You'd have to look it up the reef maps on FFXI Atlas, but you can also enter the Reef from Dvucca Isle Staging point as well as Ilustri Atoll staging point. Dvucca is the easier of the two. Ilustri Atoll requires patience, reraise, lots of sneak/invis and dodging true sight mobs.

Personnally i don't like to add in the arguement ever further but could you guy even just keep in mind, this is a first job. First job for most player is already very hard, even if i say making money is cake, i don't make alot per hour. Seriously, when i leveled my brd to 75 asap, everyone i party with have crappy gear you would see a drg without life belt and you would see no one even have peacock charm. +1 item? no one even brothered. It is because this game have been around for years and there are already many rich veteran it doesn't necessary require the new player to farm 10 times harder then a veteran with 75 could for items. It was easy as a 75 brd to farm money 1-2 million is fast. But farming 1-2 million as a 20 is not an easy task.

Fibs about BRD farming aside, you keep talking about how you can make money easy, so what's the problem with expense? Why not spend the gil on ammo if you can make the gil so easily? Why not make the effort to get proper gear?

I remember toiling hours and weeks away to get a Life Belt and Valkyrie's Mask for DRG and I wasn't the only player who would spend days or weeks away from EXP farming to improve thier jobs. This was back before the EXP adjustment in CoP or the ToA expansion. The old days.

LOTS of players back then halted levelling and took the time to improve thier jobs. If they weren't happy, they didn't seek PT that day. Simple as that. I knew plenty of DRGs that had a Life Belt and PCC and still might not seek because there was more to get that would improve thier performance, so don't play the job stereotype card with me.

Just think back, are you super ubar during your 1st job? if you are, i have nothing to argue. You win... other wise just stop tell me corsair is expensive and every other class is.

No, I wasn't super-uber, but even as stubborn as I used to be, I eventually considered the advice of other players and levelled other subjobs and treated those subjobs with respect. I made sure I had respectable gear for each of them while I levelled them

I never had a use for BLM beyond 40, but I kept respectable equipment til I was done meeting my goal. Its been the same way with every job. Even with BRD, even with RDM and even with COR. I don't think having buffs, refresh and dispels are a license to cheap my way to 75. I turned down dozens upon dozens of invites on BRD to take time to get what I needed.

Some jobs I take a break from, others I've retired, but one thing is for certain, I put the most I can into everything I play. And people just take notice of that, I don't fish for a compliment.

[wrongfeifong]

For the PC +1 thing, it was suppose to be "get PC and +1 items" Not PC +1 :P PC isn't craftable.

Anyway, its just how some people play BBQ, some people love being perfect, they think everyone will look on them checking if they are perfect. I personnally never care one bit about the gear of the person. I never tell others to farm better gear so i could team.

I really suggest you stop trying to convince me and telling what to do. I understand that it is nice to stay in top shape but this is not how i enjoy my gaming. If i have to play like that i rather just quit as of now again.

Unless of course, you are trying to persue me to leave this game. If you want to be helpful, just stick with the topic and gimme some info as to where i could find chayaya more, i will be very appreciate on any information as i am currently deleveling my whm checking all 3 stronghold for possible location.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Anyway, its just how some people play BBQ, some people love being perfect, they think everyone will look on them checking if they are perfect. I personnally never care one bit about the gear of the person. I never tell others to farm better gear so i could team.

I play to have fun and I have fun by trying to maximize the potential of my jobs. That's how I am with any game I play. I grew up with the arcades, when you went to arcades, you went to compete and be the best you could because you wanted your name on that scoreboard. I've not changed my view of gaming since.

I really suggest you stop trying to convince me and telling what to do. I understand that it is nice to stay in top shape but this is not how i enjoy my gaming. If i have to play like that i rather just quit as of now again.

Unless of course, you are trying to persue me to leave this game. If you want to be helpful, just stick with the topic and gimme some info as to where i could find chayaya more, i will be very appreciate on any information as i am currently deleveling my whm checking all 3 stronghold for possible location.

We've already told you all there is to know about rescuing this NPC, there's nothing more to that part of the topic. You could stop banging your head on a brick wall trying to get to Chayaya and just WAIT til somone rescues her. You could work on finishing your WHM instead of delevelling it, unlock BLU and work on that sub, you could work toward fame for Utsusemi.

You could BCNM for a peacock charm. In fact, if you bothered to level NIN at all, you'd have lots of opportunities for that BCNM Under Observation. If you finished RNG to 40, then you'd have a chance at Utsusemi: Ni right now from Worms Turn.

There are lots of other things you can be doing that are constructive towards COR, that's not us telling you how to play, that's just people here sharing some good common sense.

[Lmnop]

This started in the Ask SE Questions forum by Wrongfeifong. It wasn't a question, it was an order to SE. He said this was the catalyst for COR's low population, which is laughable.

Not worth a spot in the "Ask S-E" section? Ok, I can deal with that. But his opinion isn't "laughable" unless by "laughable" you mean "Elitist pricks who think they know everything and think only noobs would think such a thing."

I'm afriad Feba isn't totally off the mark. COR is just as much a preparation-oriented job, if not moreso, than RNG. To play a well-versed COR, you'd have to have some considerable experience with RDM, BRD and RNG and what they do to even be prepared to capitalize on the skills of COR. To even level BLU to 75 with a complete set of spells, you'd need Sea access and to solo effectively on BLU or PUP you'd need some BST and RDM knowledge.
That said, MNK is a job that hits stuff with its fists. That's the whole job in a nutshell, if you can show me a job that prepares one for the rigorious training of MNK, I'll happily accept correction. Walk up to a mob and punch it, that's it. A MNK might buy more expensive gear than COR at 40, but COR is spending more in the long haul and not reselling much armor in the process... at least if they're playing it right.


Haubergeon is "Preparation-oriented." Go check a decent DRK next time you're online. All of the melee DD jobs (you know, the auto-attack-afk jobs) are about preparing their numbers.

I know you're be a good COR (seriously, I'd take you in my party any day of the week) but I gotta be honest... if I cared enough about the job, I could have it all memorized in 4 days tops. Give me a 75 COR and in 4 days I'd know how to play it pretty much spot-on. I don't think I'd need to play RNG, BRD, and RDM first to be truly effective at it.

BLUs need Sea to get their best spells... that's nothing. Warriors have to kill Fafnir for a year for a chance at that item that has "Additional effect: double your damage output." And that Ridill isn't level 75 btw -- it's as low as level 70.


if you read my post at all, you'd realize I'm talking about things like important items, job quests, item quests, etc. Nope, MNK isn't a 2nd job- because those things that a MNK MUST HAVE at lv40 can actually be reasonably done by someone at lv40 (Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brown Belt is lv35~ish mobs, O.Kote is a lv30ish mob, Jujitsu Gi is around lv42ish?) or a small group of people at 40. Said Corsair items cannot.

a 50ish monk with 2 hour should be able to solo O kote guy, dunno about Juji Gi. Brown Belt items are 55 minimum with 2 hour, last I knew. Maybe Mnk/nin with meds can get better mileage -- not sure. Regardless, that's a far cry from 40. to be able to handle O kote guy @40 (it's a level 34 item, btw), you'd need at least 6 level 40 people to camp 20-50 pops (I knew people who were 2/72 or something rediculous on him). If you think that's reasonable for your friends, then no wonder you think OP should just make his friends do it...

I'm not here to say whether or not the OP is a good Corsair, I'm here to say that there's no such thing as a "2nd job." And yes, there should be another NPC that sells the dice at triple price in White Gate.

[Feba]

Like I said, or a small group of people

[Lmnop]

>.> you're insane.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Not worth a spot in the "Ask S-E" section? Ok, I can deal with that. But his opinion isn't "laughable" unless by "laughable" you mean "Elitist pricks who think they know everything and think only noobs would think such a thing."

Maybe it would be better for you to actually read the OP, Taskmage's reason for moving it to the COR forums before you come here to play the bleeding-heart "forum paladin."

It is a well-known fact that COR's expense is what makes the job so unattractive to players, it has nothing to do with how the dice are obtained, that just seems to be a rare sticking point for a handful of CORs who have servers totally apathetic toward besieged. Maybe you should be addressing besieged instead of the COR die NPC issue alone.

I know you're be a good COR (seriously, I'd take you in my party any day of the week) but I gotta be honest... if I cared enough about the job, I could have it all memorized in 4 days tops. Give me a 75 COR and in 4 days I'd know how to play it pretty much spot-on. I don't think I'd need to play RNG, BRD, and RDM first to be truly effective at it.

Playing RDM, BRD or COR is nothing remotely close to playing a WAR. A WAR has a handful of job abilites and hits Auto-attack and WS from time to time. COR, BRD and RDM are constantly moving and looking to enhance the party in any way they can.

There isn't ever a moment these jobs are not doing something to boose the PT. COR has the QDs, the Buffs, and then whatever skills the can pull from subjobs. A RDM is Hasting, enfeebling, nuking and curing in succession, maintaing Haste and Refresh cycles. COR and BRD are constantly maintaining and sometimes situationally adjusting thier buffs, what's more is COR and BRD are expected to pull and possibly to a bit of light blink-tanking on the side these days. Additionally, a COR and BRD have to look over the jobs present, food and gear used to get the best idea of which buffs to use. And add DD for COR, there's lots of it to mix in with all that other stuff.

A WAR auto-attacks, sometimes pops Berzerk or Aggressor and weaponskills, then casts Utsusemi if they they got hate. I'd fall asleep doing that. They don't pull, they just wait to be fed mobs. It would kill a WAR to even think about provoking these days.

A BRD coming into COR is going to play COR like it was BRD. A RNG that comes to COR is going to play it like RNG and likely refuse to pull, even at merit level. Somone that comes from RDM or all three is going to play COR like they wanted to play RDM - a support class that DDs.

BLUs need Sea to get their best spells... that's nothing. Warriors have to kill Fafnir for a year for a chance at that item that has "Additional effect: double your damage output." And that Ridill isn't level 75 btw -- it's as low as level 70.

You're comparing job design to Ridill? You're not even seeing the point here. To level BLU with a full spell set, you need sea access. To get a War to 75 with full abilities, you simply need to level WAR. That's very different.

BLU had sea spells learnable at day one, there was no requirement for a WAR to be present in Dragon's Aery in order to get all job abilities.

[Lmnop]

Maybe it would be better for you to actually read the OP, Taskmage's reason for moving it to the COR forums before you come here to play the bleeding-heart "forum paladin."

Maybe you should pay attention to my point. And I use that term as a derogatory to myself, since I apparently can't keep my mouth (err keyboard) shut. This thread has maybe 5 sentences that are on topic, altogether. The rest of it is you guys attacking this guy. And note that I didn't say I thought Taskmage's decision to move this thread was a wrong decision.


Playing RDM, BRD or COR is nothing remotely close to playing a WAR.

See, you tend towards this argument, and you still don't seem to understand my side of it (I know this isn't the first time I've made it). My training as a warrior has no effect on my ability to perform as a summoner or a puppetmaster or anything else. They play differently for sure. That's why I give myself 4 days.

I'd say 70% of this game is having a developed frontal lobe. Not being a monkey is a plus. Another 29% is paying attention. The other 1% I'll leave up to all that stuff that other people break down.

There is no "second job."


You're comparing job design to Ridill? You're not even seeing the point here. To level BLU with a full spell set, you need sea access. To get a War to 75 with full abilities, you simply need to level WAR. That's very different.
BLU had sea spells learnable at day one, there was no requirement for a WAR to be present in Dragon's Aery in order to get all job abilities.

on the contrary. You're not even seeing my point. WARs don't have spells, they get what they can get -- GEAR. My example may be severe, but saying "with a full spell set" isn't much different than saying "with a full equipment set." It's not "very different." Granted, Ridill is broken. But Adaman mufflers/hauberk certainly isn't out of the realm of comparison. And arguably, some of that Ares gear probably helps a WAR more than the Morrigan helps BLU. But that's neither here nor there. If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that the jobs are extremely hard to compare. Your view of "job completeness" simply involves things that a character cannot get rid of -- e.g. learned spells. My view is an entire picture of "potential." Does this mean I'm so terribly wrong?

It is a well-known fact that COR's expense is what makes the job so unattractive to players,

No it isn't.

[wrongfeifong]

i agree with Lmnop, cor's expense is not what making the job unattractive. BBQ i am sure you haven't leveled this job in a long time. You might had leveled it during its best time.

Leveling in different time get different environment. When i mean times is the timeline since this gamer release.

Looking at how many jobs you have, i am assuming you played since US release. Or maybe even further. How did you level before?

Let me refresh your memory.

When the game came out for US, there was a level cap at 65, every US you could find that are high level are using very crappy gear. There are 40 people every hour camping argus for peacocok charm. My best friend is pretty much like you, farmed life belt, sniper rings and everything. He remained a level 56 and quit. While i already attained 75 as brd gotten 65 whm with 20 million in gears killing Kirin off and finish all mission ZM.

The point is people in this time, they just focus on leveling because it is their 1st job.

Now a day, everyone have at least one 75 class, money making is nothing compare to before. They could level easily another job because they have the money to support them. Their farming time is reduce to the minimun since it take so much less time for them to farm. Of course they should be in their best of shape.

But if you EVER notice that people who tend to farm to get best gear for their level tend to be very slow. These people take 2 years to reach 75 in a job. I don't want to do that.

BBQ, i have lost my old account, i am starting anew. I played almost 2 month and i am already 50. In 2 more month if i went according to plan i should be 75. I am not making money real easy, i could do 10k per hour when i was 20...now 20k-30k an hour. I been leveling all my class by selling off ALL my CASTER spell... (teleport) I am trying to be cheap and effective. I don't go spam bullets without sharpshot or hunter roll. I don't go mindlessly Quickdraw just for dmg. (only doing during enfleeable). I am trying to achieve leveling a class within half a year, not 2 year, not 5 year. This is a game man, NOT my career. I want to do storyline as soon as possible, not slowly getting promoted to the top.

BBQ, you and I are different person. I only see this as a game, not a career.... i am not disrespecting FFXI as well. I am doing what i want, i am maximizing my utility alone.

All i want to know is...how did you all rescue chayaya in different area, or either possible for chayaya to come back on her own. I want nothing more then these constant "You should play this class this way, listen to our suggestion because we know best, we are elites and you are a noob"

P.S and yes i did went there post it because i was mad and stressed (after few death). I want SE to notice that chayaya is really missing for long time. SE changed the fact SMN could get avatar in mini-form because no one want SMN to level with. Why can't they do it for corsair that can't get their dice to level beyond 40+

[Kailea]

I actually hated it when they added the mini avatar fights.... every one wants an easy way for something now a days, and I dislike it, work for your stuff, and stop whining. SE made that NPC the sol seller for the dice for a reason, so people would want to take part in besieged.

[wrongfeifong]

The sad part is Chayaya was back one day (my corsair friend told me) and was captured right after that besieged that day. (which i wasn't on that day)

Also i want to point out one fact that everyone should be reminded.

I am not sure on your server but.

When the game just released in US. Did you EVER ask the whm "Do you have erase?". I am sure alot whm leveled until 60 to even get erase, if you want i could make a poll in the whm forum so you all could see.

Back then Erase was over 600k, no whm even brother to get it. How often you see a brd with monster signa ? I didn't even got my monster signa until 75 as a brd...and i am not the only one.

[Lmnop]

He remained a level 56 and quit. While i already attained 75 as brd gotten 65 whm with 20 million in gears killing Kirin off and finish all mission ZM.

But if you EVER notice that people who tend to farm to get best gear for their level tend to be very slow. These people take 2 years to reach 75 in a job. I don't want to do that.

This is why I always joke with my friends that FFXI is living proof that karma doesn't exist. Those who don't give it their all almost always come out ahead.

And to further back this up -- I'm one of those "all the way" guys. Been playing since NA release (6-20 hours/week) and I finally got level 75 just 3 weeks ago. Go me.

Everyone on this forum respects Armando (if you don't, please speak up so I know who to drop a meteor on). He's still not 75. Does anyone here think they know this game better than him?

[Feba]

I used to, yes, and my highest was 61. I agree that the people that care most about FFXI and most of the ones that know a lot about it aren't 75, definitely.

[Kailea]

heh I to have been playing since NA PC release, and my highest is 65 DRG, I started to need some things for DRG to level more....so what did I do, I leveed another job, and now I have all jobs at 37, PUP is 25 and BST is 8 and I have a nice little pile of gil on me, to do with what I want.

[Aksannyi]

Off topic (a little) but I paid 800k for my scroll of Erase when I was approaching 32. I cry a little every time I hear a WHM say that 40k is too expensive. That or spiral into a fit of rage.

You make it work. You either farm to get what you need or you don't level. If I were on your server I'd try to help you with the NPC but I also wouldn't make any guarantees. At least once in this game I'd like to rescue an NPC and I'd like to retrieve the AC.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Off topic (a little) but I paid 800k for my scroll of Erase when I was approaching 32. I cry a little every time I hear a WHM say that 40k is too expensive. That or spiral into a fit of rage.

That's pretty much this topic in a nutshell, actually.

Its funny Wrongfei keeps making the then-and-now comparisons. If you were a 75 BRD that had 20 million back then and you worked for it, what happened between then and now that makes you choose to cheap your way to 75?

They economy has changed, sure, but that would mean that there's even less of an excuse to play on the cheap now than there was before. I'm sitting here right now a little short on gil and I could so easily take my BLU past 30, but there's a nice level 30 BLU sword. I'd like to have two of them, mule them away for a day I'm BCNMing or helping with CoPs.

So do I press on with the job? Maybe to learn Wild Carrot, I can do that solo, but my pride wouldn't let me be in an EXP PT without the swords, which are clearly the best thing going for BLU at that level. So, I'll just halt BLU for now and BC up some gil to get them. Its not about looking good for other players, I could care less, its about being the best BLU I can at every level I play and being functional for future situations.

Wrongfei likes to stereotype the Zilart-era player as a bunch of cheap players in poor gear. I remember quite a few players, myself included, that wouldn't level for weeks until the had a piece of gear or spell they wanted. Practically everyone in my linkshells is like that. We're not filthy rich, either. I knew RNGs that camped NMs every day just to pay for ammo.

And them we get to Wrongfei and he basically admits that he shoots maybe 1-2 bullets a fight. Then he has the gall to say the expense of COR is not a concern to him? Funny, didn't he just lie about a NIN sub? Didn't he just day he levelled in crap gear?

It's totally a concern.

And Lmnop, really, if expense wasn't what made COR unattractive to players, then please enlighten me as to what it is. Lack of knowledge about the job might be part of it, but
the #1 thing I hear after "I want to level COR, but..." is "I don't want to spend gil on ammo."

Cost is the #1 think going against COR and if you're not willing to accept that this is a support class that require lots of gil to play, then you'll never be satisfied with it.

[IfritnoItazura]

And Lmnop, really, if expense wasn't what made COR unattractive to players, then please enlighten me as to what it is. Lack of knowledge about the job might be part of it, but
the #1 thing I hear after "I want to level COR, but..." is "I don't want to spend gil on ammo."

Actually, most people don't really know what COR's do. And, it doesn't have a nice reputation like BRD. That is why most people don't level it.

As to why people give up COR's after leveling it for a bit, I'd completely agree that Gil is the reason--seems like every so often, someone in the party would ask the newbie COR: "HEY! Why aren't you shooting?!" >_>; That seems to clue them in... Until then, it's all about Dual Wield swords, it seems...

Now a day, everyone have at least one 75 class
As others have pointed out, you make strange assumptions... From The 7th Vana'diel Census (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/The_7th_Vana%27diel_Census_%2806/27/2007%29#Job_Levels):

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/07/img/img03.jpg

Of all characters Lv.2-75, only 9.16% are Lv.75 in one more jobs. (I'm not one of them, either; highest is Lv.69.)

All i want to know is...how did you all rescue chayaya in different area, or either possible for chayaya to come back on her own. I want nothing more then these constant "You should play this class this way, listen to our suggestion because we know best, we are elites and you are a noob"
People already gave you as much info as there is to be had, I think.

By the way, if you are unwilling to address others' concerns, why should they address yours? The logical reply to "I don't care what you want" is "We don't care what you want, either."

* * *

Perhaps if you weren't so intent on such a narrow, self-centered goal as reaching Lv.75 ASAP, you'd made plenty of friends who would be glad to help?

I got a Jelly Ring for my PLD64 not long ago. Not because I'm an awesome solo'er on RDM69--I'm not, and wouldn't have attempted to solo this at all. Not because I'm in a powerful LS--it's a lay back social LS. Not because I guilt/conned bunch of high level people. Heck, I didn't even ask for help with the ring.

While helping out people with multiple WSNM fights, a friend pipped up: "Hey, don't you need a Jelly Ring?" It was late, so I said it wasn't important; no need for people to stay after multiple WSNM's for my sake. Yet, whole bunch of friends just sticked around after the Asuran Fists WSNM, and off we go to hunt a slime.

Hours later, I have a ring which I didn't expect to be able to get for a long time, yet.

What made me much happier than getting the Jelly Ring, though, is knowing I have friends who cared, even when they were hungry, tired, and sleepy as heck. ^_^ It really meant a lot to me.

[wrongfeifong]

BBQ, what good does i get for lying here anyway ? I just made a mistake typed that in as well as i did once in while saying things i never really meant.

and BBQ the reason i like to point out that i don't farm alot because there is no point to farm 1 week for 1 piece of gear when i out level it in 5 hour worth of party.

And seriously beside BBQ, those who are replying to me... any of you have a 75 4-5 month right after you got the game? Most class doesn't take long to level, its you who making it harder to level. And beside BBQ, when i talk about shooting bullets i was ASSUMING, i never shoot bullets or played a DD class. I assumed i could shoot 1-2 bullet per fight because long delay, but it turn out i still spam bullets during sharpshot whenever it is on and i still only eat 1 stack bullet per level.

And for those who keep assuming i don't have friend to help, i do have people willing to help, but i am the type of people that never want to risk/waste my friends time helping me if they do not have any return/gain. Saving chayaya takes 1-2 hour and a big exp loss without raise. That is why i am posting here, unless i absolutely sure where she could be at and how to go there otherwise i am not going.

Enough reply for me... stop looking loopholes in my post and get back to the topic. If not let's just delete this whole thread.

[Kailea]

good then delete it, you don't want to listen anyway, people have told you, there is no other way to get that person back, and you seem to be playing in a very bad manner anyway......Like I said before, if I took one look at your "crappy" gear, I would boot you in an instant. There is no fast way to 75, if you are playing the right way.

[Lmnop]

As of 8-10 months ago (when I got done with my massive SJ push) I still didn't expect WHMs to have erase. They never did and I couldn't blame them. Nowadays, it may be different. But back then, no sane person told WHMs they were gimp when their highest level job didn't even have teleports for taxi'ing money. They simply didn't have 500k. Aksannyi, we would've been proud of you in our LS, but we wouldn't have made you do that. We always treated 40 as the bare minimum level to expect it, since that's when they could feasibly BC it themselves.

'Kitten, your assumptions... Wrongfei also said he "lost" his old account. Not "deleted my character and started over."

Does anyone know how the Census really works? Do they basically do a /sea all every few hours over the course of a week? What I mean is -- what happens to the people with multiple 75s? Do they get figured in multiple times? And if I'm 75 in one job, does that mean I'm not being counted as a 45 THF? Or if I'm on my THF at the time of the /sea sweeps, would I be registered as "THF main" and my warrior not cataloged?

As for COR popularity, my final answer is that you can't know for sure. You can't point to any one issue and simply pass it on as fact. I can tell you one major factor though -- stigma. I know it's not well-based, but it's true that most people think COR buffs vary from "completely worthless" to "on par with a bard." I know, it's fallacy. But any of the rest of you know it as well as I do -- the common player is a sheep.

[Lmnop]

Hellooooooo double post.

Just realized that I need to smack Kailea.

Kailea, stop jumping on every bandwagon that comes around. You seem to enjoy attacking others just because it's a change of pace from people attacking you. I never wanted to be mean to you, but it's like every post of yours that I read, all you're doing is agreeing with someone else about how X poster is such a tool.

If I make a post about how I'm not sure if I should level Paladin with Sword or Greatsword, I don't expect you to bitch at me about timing my cures. This is basically what you guys did. It's one thing to say "Why should we care about you when you don't care about what we say?" but the fact is, you're answering questions he didn't ask. Whether or not he's "gimp" wasn't the topic of this. How hard is this to nail into your skulls?


Wrongfei had to wade through it, but I do think some people gave him some viable information -- they just went all wrong in delivering that information. That said, things like this:

All i want to know is...how did you all rescue chayaya...

are Post Hoc. Don't say "we already told you" because that was him defending his OP, not asking anew. It's obvious this thread cannot go anywhere better here.

[Mhurron]

As of 8-10 months ago (when I got done with my massive SJ push) I still didn't expect WHMs to have erase.
Just because you don't (to be honest, I don't believe that but thats just me) doesn't mean everyone expects others to be lazy, or is forgiving of it.

[Kailea]

Hellooooooo double post.
Just realized that I need to smack Kailea.
Kailea, stop jumping on every bandwagon that comes around. You seem to enjoy attacking others just because it's a change of pace from people attacking you. I never wanted to be mean to you, but it's like every post of yours that I read, all you're doing is agreeing with someone else about how X poster is such a tool.
If I make a post about how I'm not sure if I should level Paladin with Sword or Greatsword, I don't expect you to bitch at me about timing my cures. This is basically what you guys did. It's one thing to say "Why should we care about you when you don't care about what we say?" but the fact is, you're answering questions he didn't ask. Whether or not he's "gimp" wasn't the topic of this. How hard is this to nail into your skulls?
Wrongfei had to wade through it, but I do think some people gave him some viable information -- they just went all wrong in delivering that information. That said, things like this:
are Post Hoc. Don't say "we already told you" because that was him defending his OP, not asking anew. It's obvious this thread cannot go anywhere better here.

How hard is it to just accept was is told to you? I agree that COR and some other jobs, should not be leveled until you have more of a foot hold in the game. I am not "jumping on a bandwagon" I am stating my opinion.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Actually, most people don't really know what COR's do. And, it doesn't have a nice reputation like BRD. That is why most people don't level it.

Were I to go by it on Titan, there is one COR for every two BRDs and then about 5 RDMs for every 2 BRDs. It's usually 15 CORs online, 30ish BRDs and then 200+ RDMs. But when you factor in AFK, then there's maybe just as many RDMs as BRDs available.

Beyond March, Minuet and Ballad, most people couldn't tell you what else a BRD does beyond pulling and lullaby. I know BRDs that can't tell me what their buffs do, heck, there are high level BRDs that don't know Minuet affects ranged attacks. That's pretty basic stuff to know, too.

NA's didn't even really warm up to it until late in the CoP days and it was usually some dishevelled DRK or DRG that just wanted a job at 75. TP Burn made BRD popular, period. Before that, it was arrowburn and when arrowburn died, for a time, BRD dwindled a little as well, at least in terms of population.

As to why people give up COR's after leveling it for a bit, I'd completely agree that Gil is the reason--seems like every so often, someone in the party would ask the newbie COR: "HEY! Why aren't you shooting?!" >_>; That seems to clue them in... Until then, it's all about Dual Wield swords, it seems...

See? It all boils down to expense after any argument otherwise.

Doesn't matter how many levels you get if expense is a issue for you, you'll quit COR, RNG or NIN if it becomes a conflict or you'll quit some other job. I quit RDM as of last night after CoP 5-3. Its retired for good outside of whatever BCs I may require it for.

[wrongfeifong]

Last post for me...just to inform your all

I got all my dice as of today ( include black mage die), i am zeroing into 54 as we speak. (Chayaya is back for few hour and got captured right i got the dice, i wanted to thank whoever freeed her)

However, i found something odd, i checked in at late night, the prisoner number was 4, 4, 3 ..chayaya missing. Just before the morning besieged she came back! prisoner number stil 4, 4, 3.

Could it be that she come back either way and go back prisoner without besieged ...or besieged just happen middle of the midnight and someone went free her.... i have no idea.

P.S: Sorry to tell you all, corsair is an easy job to level, i manage got all my dices with very little farming (no money aid from anyone nor even killing 1 monster for gil farming) made it to 54 without problem. If i really did get the best stuff for my level Peacock charm, i would prolly be @ 54 by the end of the game.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

P.S: Sorry to tell you all, corsair is an easy job to level, i manage got all my dices with very little farming (no money aid from anyone nor even killing 1 monster for gil farming) made it to 54 without problem. If i really did get the best stuff for my level Peacock charm, i would prolly be @ 54 by the end of the game.

Any support class is easy to level, any moron can refresh and dispel and generally that's the low bar that is set for support classes in this game. Levelling up not the same thing as properly preparing a job, which takes respect and a little dedication, nor is levelling the same thing as trying to excel at the job.

All I have left to say is if this is how you level COR, I shudder to think about how you levelled BRD to 75.

[wrongfeifong]

let's see i leveled brd to 75 by 2004 feb (or around), i was like the 3rd US brd gotten to 75 on my server. I beat Maat on second try with a sword skill of 170. (first was just testing @ 67)

I also gotten in a HNM LS on 70 killing serket 4 time a week and the 2 birds and camping the 2 dragon in tunnels. Gotten over 15 million 2-3 week after. Started to level whm with a vermellion cloak (back when it was like 5-6 million) @ my MH waiting + all +1 elemental staff. Of course because i leveled fast, i gain money fast leveling whm with a 600k erase and such.

I leveled my brd using crab armor + level 40 sword ... I don't even use AF most of the part because i didn't got AF until 65+. I did get 3/5 AF2 before my AF1. I left a month before COP because i already had everything and most classes (nin, smn, blm) are pretty much 37+

You know i see you having multi-75s...why don't you try level one without any aids in money or any sort. Start a new on a server, then follow your rule... Let's see how you like that.

BBQ it isn't easy to keep just refresh on. I am sure you didn't do it but when i leveled i always make sure my pt position correctly, always keeping 2x ballad or 1 ballad +whatever on the PLD (2x mambo for ninja) and 2 other melee (usually for Light SC) will get specific buff. While i make sure ballad are on caster side. Then do the usual Thren, finale, and elgy. I always Measure the radius of buffing before doing it so i never overlay even a second. With movenment of pt i do the same. I am currently doing the same as a cor/brd (50-60 are /brd for me).

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

You know i see you having multi-75s...why don't you try level one without any aids in money or any sort. Start a new on a server, then follow your rule... Let's see how you like that.

Already did it with three jobs, no aid on gear or consumable funds. All paid on my own dime and foundation of farming, BCNMing and the like. I fail to see what starting over a 3rd time would prove. I'd do what I've been doing since DRG, really. And when I get back around to DRG and BST, I'll keep doing what I have.

I still don't get your logic that starting over is a license to cheap your way to 75. You made millions before, you claim to make gil just fine without farming now.

If that is the case, what is the problem with spending the gil? You still haven't answered this. If money isn't an object, then levelling COR with full proper subs and respectable gear should not be an issue.

This is clearly just about getting to 75 ASAP.

I am sure you didn't do it but when i leveled i always make sure my pt position correctly, always keeping 2x ballad or 1 ballad +whatever on the PLD (2x mambo for ninja) and 2 other melee (usually for Light SC) will get specific buff. While i make sure ballad are on caster side. Then do the usual Thren, finale, and elgy.

Dunno where you get this from. I maintained 4-6 buffs at a time on BRD on top of pulling, finalie, elegy, threnody status cures and backup heals back in the day. I get a bit snippy with people who don't work with me to keep at least four rolls on a PT, there's proof of that in the BRD/SMN thread on the front page.

And why the heck would you mambo a NIN past 37? Seems detrimental to the melee around him to do so, not to mention lowering Utusemi recast times with March and raising his attack with Minuet would not only help him tank better, but improve melee output.

[IfritnoItazura]

I think locking this thread is a better alternative than the constant alternation between the OP defending his way of playing, bragging about his ability to level fast, and whining about how everyone else has Lv.75 jobs so he can't be held to the same standards.

The original question has been answered. The rest is just flame-bait... Please lock...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I think locking this thread is a better alternative than the constant alternation between the OP defending his way of playing, bragging about his ability to level fast, and whining about how everyone else has Lv.75 jobs so he can't be held to the same standards.

The original question has been answered. The rest is just flame-bait... Please lock...

That I can agree with.

[Taskmage]

However, i found something odd, i checked in at late night, the prisoner number was 4, 4, 3 ..chayaya missing. Just before the morning besieged she came back! prisoner number stil 4, 4, 3.Just adding a bit of info. When you rescue a prisoner, the prisoner count goes down as soon as you open the lock and they warp, but it takes them some time to actually get back to Al Zahbi after they've been rescued. I think it takes about one game day.

Here's the lock.