a new merit system please?

[Bamont]

i have heard the cries of players from all around vanidiel, they say its over populated with lvl 75's thus making it impossible for levels 10-60 and its making it difficult where no one can experience or level up, so i was thinking one day, infact i was thinking really hard about this.

why not add a merit system so you can select your level at any setting to get limit points?

there will have to be a new menu or a new npc involved in these locations so you can change levels to balance with your party. (specifically like at outposts) or menu wise.

select levels from 10-75

Note: you must have access to the merit system first befor doing this.

"as of now i do not know if this is a good location to ask this, or if even this is an official ffxi website" but if this is not, could some contact Square Enix about this issue?


my sincere regards

Bamont

[Mhurron]

Why would anyone do this? It is a hell of a lot easier getting EXP at 75 then it is at any other point in the game, you (essentially) have access to all the gear the game offers and all job abilities.

Why would someone choose to get merit points a lot slower by partying at say lvl 40?

[Sevv]

OMG MHURRON LETS MERIT IN THE DUNES!!!!!


/sarcasm off

Just give us more places to merit

[Callisto]

Why would anyone do this? It is a hell of a lot easier getting EXP at 75 then it is at any other point in the game, you (essentially) have access to all the gear the game offers and all job abilities.

Why would someone choose to get merit points a lot slower by partying at say lvl 40?

Correct. A standard xp party at lower levels can't match the xp/hr or a standard merit party. More places for a 75 to camp would be a better solution, although this also isn't a dire situation.

The problem is more with the people who think "OMG Caederva Mire is full, and so is Bhaflau Thickets, there's absolutely nowhere left to merit! Woe is us!!" Lv. 75 existed before ToAU, people found a way to get it before. I've had some damn good merit parties in Lufaise Meadows, and even sky.

[Bamont]

i suppose so hmm then what do you suggest that could help low levels get higher?

AND DO NOTE DONT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS THIS IS TO SUPPORT LOW LEVELS NOT HIGH.

this is to support levels at 10-60

[Callisto]

I'd suggest they look up Campsitarus or Vana Bestiary and do some research so they know where they can camp. And have a look at pre-ToAU zones. They worked for 5 years, they still do.

Also, have an open mind about party setups. In ToAU zones you can throw any 6 random jobs into a party and probably do decent as a merit party. One of the best xp/hr parties I had was BST/NIN x2 SMN/WHM x2 PUP/Whatever a PUP subs and RDM/DRK. 0 vokes, plenty of kickass.

[Sevv]

make leveling a second, third, forth, fifth job worth leveling

[Bamont]

blah im done, if no one has ideas besides mine i suppose things are just hectic for people.

CLOSED

[Mhurron]

i suppose so hmm then what do you suggest that could help low levels get higher?
The same way they always have, level with others who are leveling at that range.

BTW, little hint, you can exp with less then 6 people. Just a little FYI there.

[Sevv]

The same way they always have, level with others who are leveling at that range.
BTW, little hint, you can exp with less then 6 people. Just a little FYI there.

to expand on mhurron's hint

Ive soloed blm to 30 from 24 in a few hours you can even solo!

[KoukiRyu]

I'd suggest static'ing at lower levels...that's what I'm doing right now, and it's a lot more fun than random grouping, and the parties tend to be better overall. Find one or five friends willing to level, and level up all together, and then do quests/missions even lower jobs in the mean time. Other wise, just suck it up and go farm while you lfp, or make your own.

There honestly isn't that much trouble levelling from 10-60, as long as you're willing to try.

[Malevolent]

They should add some meritable Active Traits. Since you're workign towards them maybe they'll be good active traits. but then again the rate that people can get 1-5 merits is pretty fast...becasue 5 merits is what...50k exp right?? someone could gain that in maybe 2-3 burn parties...

[Bamont]

mmm-hm , sure few hours ok

well topic solved god speeds to noobs then

i mean sure look at other servers, but what comes to a difference? i try to level my nin at lvl 10 and havnt gotten a party for 3 weeks really. i think its rediculous

i know alot of noobs complained a bout that situation as well, and ya can FLAME all ya want, i suppose nothings going to change matters. oh well.

changing subject.

maybe there could be rewards for meriting at low levels?

[Mhurron]

i try to level my nin at lvl 10 and havnt gotten a party for 3 weeks really.
Most people solo to 20 now.

3 weeks, you're not even trying to think of ways to do things.

[KoukiRyu]

Dude no one is going to invite you at NIN10...you don't even have Utsu yet. You suck at DD. You can't evade better than a WAR yet. You're fawking useless, all you can do is Tonko. Get to 12, then try seeking, and see how hard it is for you to get a pt. ^^

[Hantz]

Whose flaming?

[Bamont]

subjects changed,

COmmunication idea:
a new soft ware shold be developed for the game so you can use microphones in exp parties and communicate more effectively.
speaker icons flash showing when the speaker is talking.

this is indicated next to your Name above your HP bar.

well what do you think about that idea?

i use a program to use a microphone in the game, but its in server based wise and to many people talk at once.

rhis could also be linkshell wise, but idk im thinking codec is impossible in such a big server

[Bamont]

Whose flaming?

no body, just said idc if some one FLAMEs' about it or not

[Mhurron]

You can't change topic in the middle of a thread. That has to happen by a natural process where the discussion goes off topic and is either brought back or closed.

Pfft, noobs.

[Bamont]

you do know that your flamming right?

but then its understandable to switch threads

[Sevv]

There is no planned changing of subject only derailing if you want to end the thread and talk about mics make a new post and leave this one.

[Mhurron]

you do know that your flamming right?
You keep using that term, I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Bamont]

calling somone a noob in discussion is flamming

the term of flame:

insulting
racist
cursing or swearing at your peak to make another angry

is flamming :D

[Mhurron]

noob aka-noobie
someone who is new to a game, or website, online game, or something

Not necessarily an insult.

Damn dirty noobs

[Sevv]

are you new to the game i.e. just learning the basics of game play partying, no jobs over 50, yet to do most of the things in the game?

if so you are a noob its not always a term of disrespect (tho usually is). If your new your new.

[Bamont]

mkay ftw

[Bamont]

well no im joking around being noobish, as of right now im a thf 75 and blu 74, and no im lying my nin is 50, i just got hecatomb gear on my thf and missing one more, i need fafnirs piece, also im on PM8-5, and i completed ZM, i need to fight bahamut to activate apocolypes nigh, other then that no im not new

[Mhurron]

Member: Posts:
Bamont 10

Guess again.

[Bamont]

ok stop for a sec , your either getting excited or mad idk, so for a sec lets tone down the pace a bit, i only started the discussion cause iwant new changes to the game, "No matter how dumb they sound" it is what keeps me improvised about the game and makes me want to play what ever is changed,

and if you missed what i post, it talks about me just acting noobish and lying

[Sevv]

mmm-hm , sure few hours ok
well topic solved god speeds to noobs then
i mean sure look at other servers, but what comes to a difference? i try to level my nin at lvl 10 and havnt gotten a party for 3 weeks really. i think its rediculous
i know alot of noobs complained a bout that situation as well, and ya can FLAME all ya want, i suppose nothings going to change matters. oh well.
changing subject.
maybe there could be rewards for meriting at low levels?
well no im joking around being noobish, as of right now im a thf 75 and blu 74, and no im lying my nin is 50, i just got hecatomb gear on my thf and missing one more, i need fafnirs piece, also im on PM8-5, and i completed ZM, i need to fight bahamut to activate apocolypes nigh, other then that no im not new
it talks about me just acting noobish and lying

Or he is lying about lies O.o so many lies

Just two tips:

Don't lie to us you will quickly become a joke of the forums
Don't Troll

[LyonheartLakshmi]

You keep using that term, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Inconceivable!

There, I helped contribute to the Princess Bride reference for the day.

[Bamont]

now with a furthur do i am to sleep now, work in the morning, idc any more about this idea, i lost interest in it after 8 posts ago. though i'd be shocked if it does become available well now , close the thread what ever you want do with it i care not, anyways see ya some time tommorrow Zzz (-_- )

[Taskmage]

... What the eff just happened here? O.o

[Sevv]

he presented and idea lied about it then got found out and left lol cliff notes ftw!

[Rodin]

I like the part where he says he has full Hecatomb 'cept for Fafnir's head. I wish I could have fought Nidhogg before I fought Fafnir D=.

[Bamont]

got found out? im not sleeping yet, tho idk the term of how i got found out, its rather a mystery to all unless... >.> your on a server of Valefor

andn o i didnt lie about my idea, read the post from the last few minutes.

if your on valefore just under stand when im bored i joke so dont take anything seriously , no matter how confusing it sounds eh?

[Mhurron]

... What the eff just happened here? O.o
Here it comes :P

[Taskmage]

How did you get found out? o.O You said your nin was level 10 and then 5 minutes later you said it was level 50. Then you said you lied, so either you lied or you lied about lying. You don't have to be on Valefor to figure it out.

Anyway, for one reason or another this doesn't belong the the Ask SE forum. Please reread the posting guidelines in the sticky thread before posting a new topic here.

PS, wb Rodin. Long time no see.

[Bamont]

valefor server is cheaply clean now adays you cant seem to find any .INI's for it
im a lazy thief /sigh, now if i were in sea an had a chance to lot on proto omega's homam gear i would. but LS rules kill me, i cant lot this i cant lot that, geez 3 years of playing and i cant get much.

[Sevv]

taskmage you do realize that some people even if they "read" it will stop post here because they just don't learn, you can't save them all...


Oh and you were found out to be a liar xD

[Sevv]

I like the part where he says he has full Hecatomb 'cept for Fafnir's head. I wish I could have fought Nidhogg before I fought Fafnir D=.

well duh i mean no one camps fafnir or anything they all too busy camp nq behemoth, not like fafnir drops any thing good /sarcasm

(srlys tho I thought the same thing lmao)

[Bamont]

oh yeah, no i lied about being level 10 nin and lied about playing 4 weeks, i played about 3 years, geez its 2:12 here i got 5 minutes befor i pass out from sleep, so ill make this quick, close the thread, give me +1 karma for the idea of trying and let me think of ideas another time

[Skoal]

minchin

This is my new favorite word.

To OP: don't get your feelings hurt just because people don't agree with you.

[Taskmage]

taskmage you do realize that some people even if they "read" it will stop post here because they just don't learn, you can't save them all...I know, but if I don't at least try to educate someone it'll be my fault they're ignorant. -.-\

[Sevv]

oh yeah, no i lied about being level 10 nin and lied about playing 4 weeks, i played about 3 years, geez its 2:12 here i got 5 minutes befor i pass out from sleep, so ill make this quick, close the thread, give me +1 karma for the idea of trying and let me think of ideas another time, oh and ps forgot to minchin the NM nidhogg to yah i dont have legs yet, only 3 pieces of sky curse heca


I'm gonna go out on a limb here and call your bs.

Noob is not a bad term if you actually are new, learning the game every starts out as a noob.

If you have been playing 3 yrs and still have the same knowledge of the game you seem to have your a nub, just a uneducated player who maybe should read the brady guide and pack it in.

I know, but if I don't at least try to educate someone it'll be my fault they're ignorant. -.-\


The ignorant will always be ignorant taskmage those without the drive to learn are destined to fail

[Omniblast]

noob aka-noobie
someone who is new to a game, or website, online game, or something

Not necessarily an insult.

Damn dirty noobs

Hmm I don't think that their entirely the same, even though everyone says that they are the same.

Noob (new*oob) adj.
1. A person who is new and or inexperienced to an environment,
situation, or game, but doesn’t admit it. This person also carries
the belief that they are experienced / skilled in that environment,
when reality proves otherwise.
2. A person who continually fails and does not learn from their
mistakes, and repeats the process.
3. A person who isn’t all “there” but doesn’t realize it.


see also, “newb”



Newb (new*b) noun.
1. Truncation of “newbie”. A neophyte.

Oh wait I just found the comic version of the definition.

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060823

[Sevv]

the link was simply amazing I couldn't stop laughing

[Lmnop]

I saw the first few negative posts and... 4 pages in one day wow. I don't have time to read it all so I'll just feed you this link and hope it hasn't been posted already

A similar idea (http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/february-2007-earlier/63519-deliberate-level-capping.html?). And one that I would love to see. I'd hope for a minimum level of 20. I'd like to try war/rng right when you get acc bonus I, for instance.

[Sevv]

I saw the first few negative posts and... 4 pages in one day wow. I don't have time to read it all so I'll just feed you this link and hope it hasn't been posted already
A similar idea (http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/february-2007-earlier/63519-deliberate-level-capping.html?). And one that I would love to see. I'd hope for a minimum level of 20. I'd like to try war/rng right when you get acc bonus I, for instance.

and in that thread did the op lie to us? or simply complain because they didn't get a party?

[Taskmage]

Heh, nah but the idea was rejected even when it was presented by Icemage, iirc. Possible abuses and stuff. /shrug Maybe SE could find a way to make it work though.

[Lmnop]

can I just be honest for a moment here?

Having just scanned this whole thread, I think you guys did an excellent job of being top class asshats.

Allow me to elaborate... he posts an idea. He isn't told "well, this wouldn't be good for X reason." Instead, he gets Mhurron's complete misunderstanding of the reason for the idea, and this little gem from Sev:

OMG MHURRON LETS MERIT IN THE DUNES!!!!!

I don't care if the OP was lying or not (I think that he is now because he's been called a noob and wants to show he's not or... something. At any rate any time you call another person a noob, you make me wish an airplane would land on you). At this point, you've angered him because you morons couldn't pay attention, and then told him not to get angry when other people simply don't agree with his ideas.

And now you've made him out to be the bad guy and the troll!

Between this thread and the other one, though, I see a lot of the same thing -- everyone either says "this could be heavily abused" and dismisses it out of hand, or they say "this is completely worthless" and dismisses the idea on those merits.

Thing is, both of these opinions are contradictory, no? But both sides have dismissed it so no real discussion takes place.

Obviously, I'm a supporter of an idea like this (since I sent an email suggesting it to S-E before Icemage's post even), but no one really cares why. You would rather just gloss over the details and think about how it'd affect you and how the world revolves around you.

And the best part is how I'll somehow be vilified for this post.

[Mhurron]

you've angered him because you morons couldn't pay attention
I know exactly what he was saying. I know what his intentions were, but I also know it's pretty much a useless idea because no one is going to choose to limit themselves to low level parties to get merits just to help out lower leveled parties.

It has nothing to do with not paying attention, just having some intelligence.

[Murphie]

I doubt people will care enough to vilify you.

[Sevv]

I didn't know this was a place where we couldn't make jokes you need to lighten the hell up lmnop. Being able to make a joke about something that has come up before use your own link as proof it has. Everyone wants to fix the merit system how do you give the rights at first to someone who said they haven't experianced the merit system. SO next time ill go


MHURRON LETS MERIT IN THE DUNES

USE THE GD SEARCH FUNCTION FIRST!

[Skoal]

i have heard the cries of players from all around vanidiel, they say its over populated with lvl 75's thus making it impossible for levels 10-60 and its making it difficult where no one can experience or level up, so i was thinking one day, infact i was thinking really hard about this.

why not add a merit system so you can select your level at any setting to get limit points?

there will have to be a new menu or a new npc involved in these locations so you can change levels to balance with your party. (specifically like at outposts) or menu wise.

select levels from 10-75

Note: you must have access to the merit system first befor doing this.

"as of now i do not know if this is a good location to ask this, or if even this is an official ffxi website" but if this is not, could some contact Square Enix about this issue?


my sincere regards

Bamont

Seems to me like the OP wants to be able to change his level to something lower and still get merits.

Why would anyone do this? It is a hell of a lot easier getting EXP at 75 then it is at any other point in the game, you (essentially) have access to all the gear the game offers and all job abilities.

Why would someone choose to get merit points a lot slower by partying at say lvl 40?

So it seems this post has a valid point. Lets say you change to level 40. You find 5 other people to party. What happens when they start leveling up? Do you wait around for 5 people who want to merit at level 40 so they won't get to 41? By the time you did all that you could have a merit point under your belt.

Also why merit at 40 or any other level. Slow exp sucks. I did that already getting to level 73. For me exping sucks. I exp for a means to an end. I want to do quests, mission, bcnms etc. I want to help people out and do new things. I HATE exping. Thats why it has taken me 3 years to get to 75.

I hope this helps you understand a little more Lmnop.

[Murphie]

10k exp (or limit points) per merit. Prior to level 53, that's more exp than is needed to gain a level in your job. Why on earth would you want to not get that level (which will increase all of your stats, and possibly give you access to new spells and abilities) and instead get a merit point (which will possibly give you one point towards a marginal - at your level - increase in a stat)?

[Cotners]

I think the object was to be able to cap your level to be able to play with friends/ls members and such while still getting merits... I think this is a good idea.

You could always go to a level capped area to party.

[Callisto]

Normally I don't nitpick these things on the internet, because what's the point...but I just read through what happened on this thread since I left work, and I think Bamont's typing/spelling/grammar broke my brain. I thought maybe I wandered into a EU FFXI site or something for a second.

I'll be back, going to go flamm something.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Between this thread and the other one, though, I see a lot of the same thing -- everyone either says "this could be heavily abused" and dismisses it out of hand, or they say "this is completely worthless" and dismisses the idea on those merits.

Thing is, both of these opinions are contradictory, no? But both sides have dismissed it so no real discussion takes place.
I think both views can be true at the same time without being contradictory, provided the right context. Being able to level cap yourself to take advatage of easy camps is something you can take advatage of in the context of someone leveling from 1 to early 70s. During those levels, you don't see those amazing 15k to 25k an hour parties that you do at end game. Instead, you get a lot of 3k to 4k per hour grinds, with some level stretches having extremely easy camps compared to other level stretches. So in this respect, the feature could be "heavily abused".

Once you do get to 75, getting 10k+ an hour isn't all that difficult, especially if you're meritting as one of the preferred jobs for the typical TP burn setup. If you were faced with the option of either staying a lvl 75 to merit for that much, or cap yourself so you can do 3k to 4k per hour, which would you choose? From that point of view, this feature could be considered "completely worthless".

Two different threads. Two radically different conclusions. The ideas behind both threads were similar. But one addresses exp'ing in general from 1 to 75 while the other addresses just merits.

[Skoal]

I think the object was to be able to cap your level to be able to play with friends/ls members and such while still getting merits... I think this is a good idea.

You could always go to a level capped area to party.

Playing a capped job with friends in a non-capped area. It works if everyone is switched to merits and will not level up. How is this going to help lower level people like the OP wanted too.

Knowing SE, IF this were to happen it would be in increments of 10 or something like that. I cap myself at 30, go to jungles in a few hours everyone is 2 levels above me and wants to move to other jungle. Do I just stay there and look for another party, or do I call it quits with maybe a merit or two? It just doesn't work.

[Lmnop]

first off, I wanna point out that this was my original sentence:

And the best part is how I'll somehow be vilified for this post.... probably something about how I need to "lighten up."

But I didn't want to call it, so I edited it out since that'd make people go out of their way to avoid saying just that. Thus, I threw up a little when I read this:

you need to lighten the hell up lmnop.

lawl.

next order of bid'niz:

I know exactly what he was saying.

No you don't. I don't need to look further for proof:

but I also know it's pretty much a useless idea because no one is going to choose to limit themselves to low level parties to get merits just to help out lower leveled parties.

There. This is the part where I make claims like:

You would rather just gloss over the details and think about how it'd affect you and how the world revolves around you.

I have a friend who barely ever plays. Big part of that being that me and my sister are always doing 70+ stuff. He's 55. It's not very appealing when the only thing we can do with him is to help him with his AF. It makes him feel like there's nothing he can do for us (and there really isn't). If I could lower my level to exp with him, it'd make it a lot more appealing for him (especially since he's a magnet for the worst parties possible).

Would I care if I wasn't getting 14k/hour? I'd be happy to get 5k limit points/hour because you know what? I'm enjoying the company of friends in what I last knew to be a social game.

There's also the factor of availability and what-have-you. i.e. everyone's 75 these days so it's a bit harder to get parties in the lower levels. It's even harder to find a 75 merit spot open.

But I don't really care to defend the idea much more because it's obvious it's not a popular one. That's fine by me.

What it comes down to at the end of the day: I don't care about joking and having fun, but you made a fellow poster seem like an idiot. Not just a kind jibe, you made him feel like an inferior human being. Do I sound like a kindergarten teacher yet?

I fail to see how it's a joke if you scare someone away from the boards. Someone who'll no doubt think dual wield doubles tp gain and damage since we weren't around to tell him otherwise...


And Skoal: I wouldn't want it implemented unless you could choose the exact level -- afterall, look at Assaults and the fact that you can cap yourself to the level of one member if you're level 63, for instance. And being able to set myself at level 33 for a Citadel party would be A OK, even when everyone else hits 35. I can leave, go change cap and come back, or make it capable of changing on the fly instead of just at moogle. Many things you could do with it -- just because we have ideas doesn't mean that if S-E implemented them that we'd be pissed unless they did it exactly how we wanted. That was a confusing sentence but I mean to say that S-E still makes the game.

[Sevv]

Wrote alot of shit tbh I didn't read

Hi2U That is why I said it can I get a:
http://www.asmithillustration.com/images/news/whoosh.gif

What it comes down to at the end of the day: I don't care about joking and having fun, but you made a fellow poster seem like an idiot. Not just a kind jibe, you made him feel like an inferior human being. Do I sound like a kindergarten teacher yet?

It starts as a joke and when you post any idea on a forum, you will get people who don't agree it started as a joke then he came back, then found out he lied, personally I don't think the board needs a shit load of liars do you?

[Vyuru]

Glad to see that the definition of newb vs n00b has been covered already.

As far as meriting at the lower levels..... Um, hell yeah baby! So what if it is lower exp per hour than at higher camps? I'd love to be able to get a WS at a lower level than I otherwise would have, gain other benefits than I otherwise would have. So what if it takes you longer? Hell, let's look at it this way. If you could merit your weaponry skills, you gain more damage and +acc, so suddenly you do not need those lvl 40 +acc rings quite so badly. Other gear would fall by the wayside, why? Because you can merit earlier and gain those benefits earlier, suddenly other gear options may become available.

Or you could really pimp yourself out and have full merits AND the +acc gear and just be a beast.

Be the beast! :P


And leveling in level capped areas is actually rather effective. I went on an Aqueducts run recently, we had about.... An alliance of 10 players I believe it was, 10 or 11, I forget, with a lvl 40 cap. We were farming the formors to get a bronze key to open the door farther in, and you know we were getting 100-130 exp per kill for fights that lasted about 50 seconds, maybe less? That is VERY viable exp IMO, especially for an alliance and no exp ring on. We could have chained the Werebats for exp while we waited for Formor repops if we were an exp party, and we could have killed that Formor party that was a little farther in easily if we had had a bard for sleeping.

Yes I would like some form of self imposed optional level cap. I may not have jobs in the X level range to party with LS members or friends. Or else I may only have a healing job and they need a DD. We just got some players new to the game in my LS and I would have to rush level my whm to an appropriate level for smn to be able to party with them, I have no other jobs that level. Or you know, wait for them to get to lvl 40 or so, which is a tad bit unacceptable to me, I want to party with them while they are newbs to the game. I would love to take my dragoon through the lower levels with them again, show them the Maze or Korroloka Tunnel, and all the oddball exp places I went to back in the day instead of Valkurm.

You know, all of us carry around a ton of level capped equipment, I want more options open to actually using it.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

You know, all of us carry around a ton of level capped equipment, I want more options open to actually using it.

I wish this was true, but its so not.

I keep level capped gear, but trying to get anyone else to is migraine-inducing. I can't count how many times I've told a member of my LS to come as PLD to CoP missions and, yet, he comes BST because he refuses to buy capped gear for PLD.

So I kicked him from static and got a NIN from the LS that would bring the gear.

[Cotners]

Playing a capped job with friends in a non-capped area. It works if everyone is switched to merits and will not level up. How is this going to help lower level people like the OP wanted too.

This would still work if you could adjust your level limit on the fly.

[Solymir]

I also know it's pretty much a useless idea because no one is going to choose to limit themselves to low level parties to get merits just to help out lower leveled parties.

I would.

[Lmnop]

This would still work if you could adjust your level limit on the fly.

If need be, you could impose something like the Blue mage system. Maybe just Weaken you when you make the change, so at the very least you're out of the action for 5 minutes -- but you don't have to run back to town (or even jeuno-only).

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I would.

Why?

And do you have a job at 75?

[Skoal]

This would still work if you could adjust your level limit on the fly.

Like I said in that original post, I am sure SE would make it so it wasn't that easy. Nothing is every easy with them.

[Solymir]

Why?

And do you have a job at 75?

Yes. Warrior 75. Occasionally an LS member will have a 5/6 party and need help filling that last spot. It would be a bonus if I knew all of the other people in the party as well. Partying with people i know has always been more fun than with people I've never met. Having said that, I don't mind partying with others, how else am I going to meet new people right..?

[Murphie]

By leveling other jobs?

[Kailea]

what is with all these threads popping up lately by people that think they know a better way to do something.

this is SEs game, let them adjust it they way they want/need to, they would know more about it than anyone else would.

[Solymir]

By leveling other jobs?

I'm not 100% sure you were speaking to me, but just in case. I do level other jobs. In fact lately I've been bouncing around on several different lower level jobs. It's some of the most fun I've had since my first static reached 75.

On a side note, my Character Information is not hidden from everyone is it?

[Murphie]

I just meant that that's an easier way to level with your friends than changing the whole system.

[Solymir]

And it's the only one currently. Even though I have enjoyed the experience gained from the merit parties I have been in, it would be nice to do something different for a change. Variety is the spice, and all that. The using the capped zones is a great idea. I've heard of decent exp/hr parties in the riverne sites, and the aquaducts. Unfortunately they aren't viable options until level 38-39ish.

Has anyone ever tried to exp party in the promyvion areas? What level party would benefit from leveling just on the first floor..? The party could go up a floor when exp started to get slow. Just a thought.

[Murphie]

The mobs on the first floor aren't IT, but if you moved up a level or two, you probably could.

[Mhurron]

Has anyone ever tried to exp party in the promyvion areas? What level party would benefit from leveling just on the first floor..? The party could go up a floor when exp started to get slow. Just a thought.
First floor is pretty much all EP-DC at lvl30, you can solo/duo pretty much all except one mob there so you'd have to move up right away.

The other problem is that Empty are like Undead, they're a lot harder then they check. A VT is going to give you VT exp but take about as much work as an IT. I doubt that you'd get good exp in Promyvion.

If you try it you're going to have to start at least on the second floor, possibly the third.

[Solymir]

So leveling a job to catch up to a friend's level (unfortunately forgoing the earning merits option) or waiting until level 40 is the best option. With the amount of changes that have been made lately (which I hope most were in response to what the users/fans wanted) I don't think it is totally out of the relm of possibility that SE would consider the option of "level limiting". Maybe I'm being too optimistic, I don't know.

Speaking of the Riverne zone, I think I read some where that exp gain changes as you go up in level..? Is this accurate? I will try to find that post, I believe it was in the Bst forum.

[Solymir]

Found it. I started to think the Search Function was > me, but I got lucky.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/beastmaster-anthologies/58882-riverne-site-a01.html?highlight=riverne

At the end of the 2nd post Omg says that at level 42 exp starts to wane and suggested that the bst move on. Can someone explain why?

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Found it. I started to think the Search Function was > me, but I got lucky.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/beastmaster-anthologies/58882-riverne-site-a01.html?highlight=riverne

At the end of the 2nd post Omg says that at level 42 exp starts to wane and suggested that the bst move on. Can someone explain why?
That's the way exp works in all level capped zones. You gain normal exp as long as you're under the cap. Once you go above the cap, you start to take a cut to your exp that's relative to how far above the cap you are (see this link (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Experience_Points#Experience_Points_from_killing_m onsters) at wiki). This trend continues until you hit a floor of 50% of the exp a player at the level cap would receive. If you are in limit mode though, you get the full exp that a player exactly at the level cap would get.

For example, lets say you went to Riverne A01 and fought an EM Vulture at level 40. You would get 100 exp for defeating it. When you hit 41, you would then receive 86 exp (solo exp for a mob one level below you) in spite of the fact that you are still facing the same challenge as before. At level 42, you would get 72 exp. And at level 43, you would hit the floor of 50 exp, and would continue to get that much exp from that mob until you hit 75 and can switch to limit mode.