Blind invite?

[Evion]

Hello All,

What is a blind invite exactly? And, why is it considered rude? Please help.

Thanks,

Evion

[Omni]

its when someone sends you an invite without sending you a /tell first.

its considered rude because its just random i guess. most ppl want to be asked usually so they know whos inviting them and to see what job/rank the pt leader is.

its just an extended courtesy to ask someone first.

[Lunaryn]

Blind invites, particularly at dunes levels, are becoming extremely common, not to mention a lot of people building parties at these levels seem to take offense at being turned down (I've had a few people demand I take my flag down after refusing a blind invite).

A lot of people will refuse blind invites as a general matter of course (and party leaders who don't understand the resistance to blind invites generally also don't get most of the other things they need to know to be an effective party leader).

That said, I tend to be picky about parties anyway, particularly pre-30 where they tend to be distinctly crappier than usual. I'll usually check the inviter's subjob level before responding, and occasionally check that they don't have a PL (particularly after one jungles party I disbanded from in disgust because I was the tank and was repeatedly told not to take hate off the PL).

Most invites consist of a tell, followed by an invite command only if there is a reply indicating interest. These can be as terse as "pt?" but the general form is "{Experience Points}{Party}{Do you need it?}". I personally prefer to add in the camp zone (if determined) and the current party composition, but the latter is fairly rare.

[Freedan]

Blind Invites are like Blind Dates, just say NO to both!

[Arctic Wolf]

I couldn't care much. When I get a blind invite, it usually is like a warning to me. I don't decline the invite though just because the leader is "supposed" to /tell me first. I join and wait how the party goes.
Or, when I see more than two people spamming (too much) "rfl i r teh bst LOLz" I tend to leave.

[Murphie]

To me, a Blind Invite says "Hi, I don't have any interest in doing things the right way, but at least I have the courtesy of letting you know up front. This way, you don't have to accept my invite, and can keep doing whatever it is you are doing, without wasting any of your time trying to figure out if the party sucks or not."

They are pretty awesome like that.

[Srxjo]

i join the PT check the people that person has see if they are gimped subed if it looks good i say you know it's rude to blind invite people most people will turn you down, and when i'm not in a good mood for idoits i start ranting at the leader how he was rude and no one will join you that way, etc, etc and then disband

[Murphie]

i join the PT check the people that person has see if they are gimped subed if it looks good i say you know it's rude to blind invite people most people will turn you down, and when i'm not in a good mood for idoits i start ranting at the leader how he was rude and no one will join you that way, etc, etc and then disbandWow, you kind of sound like an ass.

[Kirsteena]

I was on my 74 whm, and had my flag up. I decided to pass the time by going fishing on the ferry. I got a blind invite while waiting in Selbina. From a 17 subless warrior. Yeah.... And people wonder why I solo to 20 or so now.

[IfritnoItazura]

Hmm. Maybe the best response to a blind invite is a blind decline? /decline, and move on.

Edit:
And, why is it considered rude?
It has always felt rude to me, though it took like a day for me to finally figure out why that's the case. :wasted: Unfortunately, the reason is circular:

It feels rude to have my invitation declined (in-game and in-life) without an explanation, therefore, it also feels rude to be issued what amounted to a command to "enlist" without a single word beforehand.

/pcmd add Itazura without first asking if I'd like to join the party feels... cold.

[Srxjo]

Wow, you kind of sound like an ass.
i've just had it happen to me to many times but normly i'm nice to them i say 1 in 20 blind invites i ranted but i havent had one in ages

[Murphie]

Hmm. Maybe the best response to a blind invite is a blind decline? /decline, and move on.That's what I do. I don't send the person a tell, I don't yell at them, etc. I just /decline, and move on with whatever I was doing. If they later send me a tell asking what's up, I'm happy to explain why I declined, but they generally don't.

edit: Srxjo - I just think it's kind of nasty to yell at someone for doing something like that. Yes, it's rude to blind invite, but you don't have to interact with them at all. If you join the party just so you can tell them what you think, then that's far ruder than any blind invite.

At least IMO.

[Kuro]

When I was going through the dunes last I took some blind invites, I don't care if the leader was smart and did it the right way, 90% of the time the rest of the members were equiped with lv 1 event equipment.

I don't take them post 24 though, they should have learned by then.

[Murphie]

Level 1 gear on people is why I'm glad I can solo to 20 or so.

[Evion]

Thanks for the posts! I have an understanding now. I have been playing for 2 months and was never told that it was rude and therefore didn't tell accordingly. Players that take the blind invites never say/said anything either. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

[Lunaryn]

In my experience, about half the time a silent decline to a blind invite will just solicit a repeat of the invite. At that point you generally have to explain outright that you are not going to accept a blind invite (and likely solicit offense, such as the demands to take off lfg mentioned above).

[Murphie]

In my experience, about half the time a silent decline to a blind invite will just solicit a repeat of the invite. At that point you generally have to explain outright that you are not going to accept a blind invite (and likely solicit offense, such as the demands to take off lfg mentioned above).While it's true that they often resend the blind invite, you're under no obligation to explain. Just decline again. If they ask why, I'll tell them. Otherwise, I don't bother.

[Irisjir Callard]

Personally, I think _______>>: pt? is just about as rude as a blind invite. Maybe it's because at my level there are a lot of sorts of parties that are NOT experience/merit parties, and I like some specifications of what I'm joining. I don't want to join your exp party if you're going to do a few assaults "Real quick" first...and yes...I have had this one come up. I don't want to join your ToAU mission party to help out if you're going to wait for the guy that needs it to get done camping argus first. I'm ESPECIALLY not going to join a party if we're waiting for one of the members to wake up from her nap and log into the game...although I feel VERY sorry for the e-boyfriend who got told if he didn't have an exp party waiting for his 'lady' when she logged in, no cyberkisses.

I felt very sorry for him, but I disbanded anyway.


I don't ask for every detail of information right upfront, but I want to see a willingness to communicate. "pt" doesn't do that for me.

Call me a prima donna if you want. There are plenty of other leaders out there looking for a whitemage. I don't NEED your invite. And a lot of other people, and other jobs, feel the same way, which is why blind invites, especially at levels oh past 20, are usually declined out of hand.

[Murphie]

If the party leader isn't willing to tell me what the party setup is and where we are planning to camp, then I'm not joining.

I think that's pretty reasonable.

[Irisjir Callard]

If the party leader isn't willing to tell me what the party setup is and where we are planning to camp, then I'm not joining.
I think that's pretty reasonable.


I want to know where the pt is right now, too, although /sea all _______ helps with that. If the party is standing around whitegate (or Jeuno/Rabao/Selbina), at least on Midgardsormer, that means people are still going to be arguing about which camp to go to, and a high likelihood that the party is going to split apart because three people refuse to go anywhere except caedevera mire (or other highly popular camp spot), even though there are 80 people in the zone, and two other people refuse to go to the mire, even though at least one of the other three doesn't have any staging points besides azouph (Or the outpost, or the tele-crystal) and of course everyone else won't be bothered to let someone guide the poor guy overland.

Although that's not so much the approach as the negotiations, so I'm wandering off-topic.

(Edits to make the whole argument less endgame-specific, because the idea applies to all levels, but her wording was REALLY bad)

[Murphie]

Well, that party sounds like it's full of idiots. I wouldn't join that party anyway. I prefer a party that is still in town, however, because then I know I'm not a replacement, and that I have a bit of input into where we go.

[Irisjir Callard]

Most of midgard is full of idiots. Getting away from them is about the same thing as soloing.

[Solymir]

Now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

I miss GI Joe. Ah, to be a kid again.

Many have already answered, but I just wanted to agree with those that said ignoring the blind invite is the best way to not be rude in return.

[Theyaden]

.,I've had a few times where I've been sent a tell indicating where the pt is and after replying with the sure or [Yes Please] a blind invite comes up. It wouldn't be so bad other than it blocks the legitimate invite I was expecting. Creates a bit of confusion while disbanding, requesting another invite from the correct group and me showing up as in party when the leader checks why I haven't joined yet. Blind invites I consider annpying I don't mind ones as short as pt as long as I'm asked.
btw Being a replacement isn't a problem for me since I've got to get used to the pt paterns in the 1st fight regardless as long as I can reasonably find the zone/camp area.