We're disbanding in 20 minutes...

[Eauijhkuu]

Salutations Players.

Eauijhkuu here.

I will put restraint on the ammount of ranting I actually do on the forums; each post seems to be a disgruntled topic that sways me into a very dispositioned slump. But perhaps you would have done differently if you were in my situation.

The joys of destroying Imp chains in Caedavre mire, in the Ruins' portion of Nyzul Isle portals, where the soulflayers like to occasionally link to the unwarry passerby. So far, no deaths. Everything is going great. EXP is coming in extremely fast.

But the hours are swiftly coming upon us. 3 of the party members have to be up for work in 6 hours. I have to be up early the next day as well, so after two hours of partying, we decide to disband in 20 minutes.

A few people grab their merits. However, the inefficient almost-till-next-merit white mage who basically begs the party to stay after the alotted twenty minutes are expired, sees that people are tired...and unwilling to party much longer. Given this evidence, he commands his sprite to dig down into its satchel...and the prompt triggers the most annoyingly rude words on my window prompt:

"Whitemage uses an anniversary ring."

. . . What the heck.:huh:
. . . What. The. Heck.

Within good reason, I was most tempted to accidentally misplace a TA weaponskill, and warp from the party altogether, had it not been that most of this party was made of linkshell members. Had it not been for some of their own decisions I would have completely skidoodled from said scene without much concern of whether or not.

Actions like these are often considered future problems - unfortunate that this WHM is currently in my LS. I personally have abosolutely no beef with him whatsoever; nevertheless, I doubt I'll be making him a selected personal choice into my party ever again.

Inappropriate attitude to take against an LS member you say?
. . . I'm sorry you think that way.
I will pretty much stick by my decision, since it not only inconvenienced me, but 3 other people as well.

Inconsiderate players, irregardless of whether or not they're in your LS, just suck.

[Feba]

And what the hell is the problem? Unless he's demanding the party stick together, he's just squeezing out some extra EXP. I didn't see a single thing in your post to suggest he was actually rude.

If you need help getting the sand out, let me know, I have a vacuum.

[Evion]

How is the WHM using his Anniversary ring being inconsiderate to you?

[Murphie]

If he was asking for you guys to stay for the entire 3k (which in a good merit party isn't really too long, but I still understand), that kind of seems crappy. But if he was just trying to make that last bit to next merit go faster, then I totally understand his reasoning.

[Mhurron]

You need to learn to relax and, well, be quiet. You're in the Mire, that exp bonus could easily be used up in 20 min.

[Necropolis]

I could understand the white mage's request if he was with in just a few kills to his next merit. Either way, it wouldn't be a big deal if he had to wait till his next party to get that merit.

Personally if someone pulled that type of tactic to rope into staying longer I'd say, "Well good thing the charge last twelve hours before it wears off, thanks for the party, see ya around". If he was something like another 20 minutes away from a merit, then I'd say sorry, need sleep. I wouldn't feel bad unless he's like 100 exp away from a merit.

As for him being in your LS, tough for him. There are a few members of my shell that I don't particularly agree with it, and would rather them go away. But I just ignore them, and pay no attention for the pleas of help when they need something. Eventually he'll learn as he gets on more and more people's blacklist that forcing things out of people is not the way to obtain things.

[Sevv]

I think maybe i just failed at reading the post this happened:


1) Party Says 20 more min everyone agrees
2) 20 Min expires
3) Whm asks everyone to stay longer
4) Party really doesn't want to but are considering it due to the fact they in the same ls
5) Before decision is made whm uses anniversary ring
6) pt now guilted into staying until ring is up. 6k exp for the Whm, 3k normally


Also: unless on the outside chance as the pt expired his timer hit 0:00, he should have used it in the first 20 set.

[Ziero]

I think maybe i just failed at reading the post this happened:
1) Party Says 20 more min everyone agrees
2) 20 Min expires
3) Whm asks everyone to stay longer
4) Party really doesn't want to but are considering it due to the fact they in the same ls
5) Before decision is made whm uses anniversary ring
6) pt now guilted into staying until ring is up. 6k exp for the Whm, 3k normally
Also: unless on the outside chance as the pt expired his timer hit 0:00, he should have used it in the first 20 set.
Thats how I see it happening. The whm could have used it when the first 20 minute warning was given but instead waited until the PT was ready to disband. And since the OP said they've been there for hours, the Whm could have used that at the beginning and not the end. If that was me, I would have left regardless, they were given ample warning and many players had responsibilities to attend to the next day. It's not my responsibility to make sure the Whm made full use of his ring when he had plenty of opportunity to do so prior.

[Sevv]

It would really help if we had some more info like was he close usually I will stay 1~1.5k for a merit after the end

[Murphie]

It would really help if we had some more info like was he close usually I will stay 1~1.5k for a merit after the endAgreed. If it's anything like the situation you suggested above, then the OP is well within his rights to be annoyed. If we say we're disbanding in 20 minutes, and then in 20 minutes you decide to ask for even more time, and pop a charge on an EXP ring, then it's your loss (unless you are ridiculously close to your next level/merit).

[Aksannyi]

True that, but if you are "ridiculously" close as you put it, the party would be a bunch of assholes to disband on you. I mean, at 70+, 1k tnl is nothing. I would stay for someone if they were less than 1k. 1.5k, maybe, depends how sleepy I am, and 2k, forget it.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Things like this really don't surprise me any more. I personally find that guy who forms a "Dynamis buffer" PT and leaves after 20-30 minutes - oh... because he's supposed to be entering Dynamis now - to be the biggest shitbag to ever build a PT. Not only is it not polite to the PT he made, but he's possibly stalling others from entering Dynamis.

[Taskmage]

It's possible that the whm was using the ring to be considerate rather than inconsiderate. That 50% bonus to exp means 33% less time that the party would have to stay together to finish the merit and disband. The duration on the dedication effect from Anniversary Ring lasts twelve hours. I popped an anniversary ring for a party on Sunday, went to dynamis with it still on, went fishing for a while, then switched jobs and finished up the 3k solo. Point being, if the party was altruistically concerned about the exp bonus not being wasted, there was still no reason to feel guilty about breaking the party before the ring was up. The whm had plenty of time to find another party to finish the ring with, or heck finish it solo even at a whm's kill speed.

[Srxjo]

sometimes i've PTed till 6AM if the person was over 1 2k tops i would say i'm sorry tell them the time and then normally they understand, if they dont i just say goodbye and log as the other PT members normally want to get going aswell

[raidenn]

Reminds me of a party i was in once when the whm just said im leaving for assault guys see ya later....

[Omni]

relax people.

unless he said u guys have to stay... which i dont know how he would make you guys, i think he was just trying to squeeze in more xp in the X minutes more u guys were gonna stay up.

in the end, do what you have to do. no one is gonna care or hold it against you that you have to goto bed because you have work in 6 hours. if they do? that's just sad then. RL is really greater than game. remember that.

[IfritnoItazura]

Hmm. When most of the party members agreed on 20 minutes, then the WHM uses the ring at or right before 20 minutes was up, then it's slightly rude. (That is, if he didn't get agreement from other party members to stay longer before using the ring.)

If your friend says "I have to go soon; long day at work tomorrow," you should not do anything to keep him longer if you're really a friend. In fact, you should just offer to let him go ASAP; if you were doing something together, you can always pick it up again next day or some other time.

It would be inconsiderate to say or do things to cause him to want to stay longer than he should, for whatever the reason.

p.s. I've ended parties at 30 TNL and less without saying a word--a good party is reward enough, and bad parties make me want to escape now; I can get that 30 exp at next party easily.

[Eauijhkuu]

lol.
I might need to clarify myself for some, since it seems emphasis might have mislead you.

It's not about the WHM using his exp+ ring.

It's moreso about when and why he used it after 20 minutes had expired.

And we ended up staying as long as you would need to to accumulate 10~12k w/a bonus ring on.

Albeit, irregardless of the time or ammount that it actually took to get it, it was moreso the timing and the intentional matter in which the ring was used in an attempt to keep the party going, even after everyone had agreed to disband in the 20 minute time frame.

But from the recent responses, it'd seem that you guys wouldn't find a problem or care much at all w/ that. Which is more than slightly interesting.

Maybe I should just hurry and finish my merits. Or something.

[Shadowneko]

ok I admit I havn't done much parting at lvl 75(I took a big extended break to farm up endgame gear and work a second job up to 75) but that does seem abit rude. I'm not saying you should take up a fight with him, but he at least needs a talking to...

[LyonheartLakshmi]

It's not about the WHM using his exp+ ring.

It's moreso about when and why he used it after 20 minutes had expired.

And we ended up staying as long as you would need to to accumulate 10~12k w/a bonus ring on.

Albeit, irregardless of the time or ammount that it actually took to get it, it was moreso the timing and the intentional matter in which the ring was used in an attempt to keep the party going, even after everyone had agreed to disband in the 20 minute time frame.

But from the recent responses, it'd seem that you guys wouldn't find a problem or care much at all w/ that. Which is more than slightly interesting.

Maybe I should just hurry and finish my merits. Or something.
Just because someone used their anniversary ring doesn't mean everyone else is obligated to stay until the charge wears off. It's the WHM's choice to use the ring in the first place. He's taking the risk that he won't get the full benefit from the charge. Next time, just ignore that factor when making the decision on continuing or disbanding. If the pt disbands, the WHM has no one to blame for a potentially wasted charge other than himself.

And as Taskmage pointed out, it actually reduces the amount of time it takes to get that next merit. If the WHM was only 300 exp from next merit, the ring could make it happen in one kill instead of 2.

Could he have used it 20 minutes earlier? Perhaps. But then, maybe he didn't realize just how close he was going to get to his next merit in those 20 minutes.

[Taskmage]

Another thing to consider is that if it was particularly late at night your friend may not have been using their best judgement. I could very easily see a scenario where the sleepy whm puts on their ring intending to squeeze out one last merit, then gets distracted by curing and forgets to pop the ring until "oops, it's been 20 minutes already? ><" I've done very similar things myself.

Maybe some explanation applies or maybe it doesn't, but at any rate I wouldn't be too quick to judge the person on the basis of this one incident.

[Lunaped]

lol.
I might need to clarify myself for some, since it seems emphasis might have mislead you.

It's not about the WHM using his exp+ ring.

It's moreso about when and why he used it after 20 minutes had expired.

And we ended up staying as long as you would need to to accumulate 10~12k w/a bonus ring on.

Albeit, irregardless of the time or ammount that it actually took to get it, it was moreso the timing and the intentional matter in which the ring was used in an attempt to keep the party going, even after everyone had agreed to disband in the 20 minute time frame.

But from the recent responses, it'd seem that you guys wouldn't find a problem or care much at all w/ that. Which is more than slightly interesting.

Maybe I should just hurry and finish my merits. Or something.


Well, unless you asked if they did that purposefully then I don't see the problem with it. During a PT when I get my ring going, and if they all decide to disband, I'm going to find a place to solo and use the xp ring to its full extent. It's a waste to use it and not get anything for it.

It was honestly also your decision to stay or not. You could of simply said, "Fuck it," instead of hanging around like that. Saying no isn't as hard as you think it might be.

It would be annoying if they did it on purpose to keep the party going but at any given point in time if I'm tired and want to go to sleep, I'm going. Regardless if they're in my LS or not. If we all agreed to leave within that set amount of time then that's what's going to happen.

It seems like you forget you have a choice to say yes or no to someone or have the ability to just walk away from a situation like that. http://www.bpoi.org/forum/images/smilies/slap.gif

[Karinya]

I realize some people are going to look at the dates of the previous two posts, disregard everything else and descend on Lunaped with righteous zeal, so before he gets run over by a train I'd like to add one thing: forming/joining very short lived parties or manipulating pt members to get a few more exp after the agreed on disband time is doubly unforgivable *now*, when you can easily get that last little smidgen of exp in Campaign.

Given the ridiculously long time that you have to use up a charge on anni ring, though, I wouldn't feel bad about disbanding on someone before it was finished. Even a DD should be able to find another party sooner than that - or hell, solo 3k worth of easy prey.

[IfritnoItazura]

Yesterday, Valkurm Dunes party disbanded with me at 18 TNL on Scholar. XD (No, I didn't make a fuss, or even let anyone know.)

In another party later, I got those 18 points, and yet another level--then promptly deleveled on a wipe (HP'ed, changed job to raise people). Late night, got an unsolicited invite, and leveled up again, and yet again.

Seriously, what's the big deal about being a few points from level or merit or what not? Begging parties to stay 20 minutes, then another 20, then another... It's just so unseemly. =b

[Ellipses]

I pretty much never tell parties when I'm close to leveling. Unless someone asks, and then notices that I didn't answer, and asks again.

I just look at it as "Wow, I've got a really huge buffer now. I can die so many times!"

Although this also tends to make me the jackass who levels and starts gimping XP for everyone else two fights in.

(Bit different when it's merit points, I'm sure. But still.)

[TheGrandMom]

/em smells an old and rotting thread...

/em looks around and sees a necro'd thread trying to claw its way back to life...

/em gets out her cane of doom and raises it high above her head to beat down the necro thread...

/em falls on her a**....too much eggnog....

/em goes to sleep in the corner...

[Yellow Mage]

The Necro Slayer . . . was Slain by the Necro? :wtf:

[Taskmage]

The egg nog taketh its toll on us all.