Reward after taking all jobs to 75?

[robinkle]

Reward after taking all jobs to 75?

Expand the Maat quest? (this would exclude COR, PUP, BLU).

Anyone think those who spend so much time leveling all jobs to 75 could deserve a nice reward?

There is just a few who might even come close to achieving this, so any reward would not have much effect on the game balance I think:

lvl 75 Sub job?

A 3rd sub job?

Another piece of Maat's gear?

Unlock a new Customizable job? (add elements from different jobs into 1 job).

Being able to become a 7th party member.

Access to storage from any town.

Any thoughts?

[Kuro]

Way too powerfull woudl totally screw up the game.

[Alshandra]

I think its a nice idea to have a new reward beyond Maat's cap for those that reach 75 in all jobs.

The only idea that was listed that I think is realistic is perhaps the access storage idea, but it would more than likely have to be a rare/ex piece of nice gear.

It would have to be better than Maat's cap, and very very worth it.

[robinkle]

Way too powerfull woudl totally screw up the game.

I'm not sure which idea you refer too. But I dont think any reward would have any bad effect on the game, since getting all jobs to 75, actually requiers alot of time and very few players have all jobs to 75. I never heard of any who has all jobs at 75.

Personally I'm working on Maat's cap. eventually I want all jobs to 75. Its a great achievement. and I think I would want something back from the hard work.

[Kirsteena]

There are three or four on our server that have all jobs to 75.

[robinkle]

There are three or four on our server that have all jobs to 75.

I c.
Not enaugh to have any huge effect on game balance I think.

the rewards I suggested is prolly a minor drop in the sea of what can be given as a reward. But something good I think is deserved ^^

[Murphie]

I don't think a further reward is necessary.

[Kirsteena]

I think the Maat's cap is reward enough.

[robinkle]

I don't think a further reward is necessary.
If you dont like rewards, you can allways throw it away. Or actually don't do anything to get it.

If a reward is necessary or not is different between for each individual.

[robinkle]

I think the Maat's cap is reward enough.

The more the better I say.

[Murphie]

If you dont like rewards, you can allways throw it away. Or actually don't do anything to get it.

If a reward is necessary or not is different between for each individual.That's why I said "I don't think a further reward is necessary."

Why do you think a reward beyond Maat's Cap is necessary?

[hongman]

I think after you get all jobs to 75 your moogle should be allowed to fight by your side.

Hmmmmmmm......................

[Ziero]

The reason why so few have all jobs at 75 is because the only rewards are very minimal. If they had access to some of the game breaking bonuses you mentioned, you'd see a lot more people with every job gimped all the way to 75. In this day and age, it's not that hard to do. People had the three new jobs, each one complex and unique in it's functionality and playstyle, at 75 in less then a week. Getting all jobs to 75 can be easily done with powerlvling from an endgame LS full of help and a suped up static pt.

The cap is enough and anything else they could add would just be a new piece of gear.

[Murphie]

Personally I'm of the opinion that the greatest reward of having all jobs at 75 is having all jobs at 75. But that's just me.

[Yellow Mage]

Maat's Cap +1

That is all.

[Nuriko]

Extra storage space sounds good to me ... you'll need it!

[Hantz]

I say if you get all jobs to 75, that SE sends a robot to your house, who will physically scrape your ass off your chair, and hold you outside in the sunshine as you thrash and squeal while the UV rays vaporize you.

[Saren]

I could go with something small, the storage idea, a Maat's Cap +1 perhaps so long as it wasn't really a big step up on Maat's Cap but huge sweeping rewards? No thanks. All it's going to do is make PLing more widespread and the norm for longer which would pretty much take any enjoyment or challenge from levelling out of the first...40-50 levels?

Plus you are going to have a lot more people playing jobs they don't enjoy and aren't interested in all the way up to 75 leading to gimped crappy parties full of people who don't know their job and don't care being much more common at all levels.

Sorry but I seriously hope that SE doesn't introduce any big insentive to get all jobs to 75 all it will do is lower the standard of game play pre 75.

[LilithAngel]

I like the idea of being able to make a "custom" job from your 18 level 75 jobs. Make it the Mime job, only unlockable when you have completed a long quest that opens up after you hit 75 in all jobs. It could involve some events that focus a bit on each of the 18 jobs roles and/or story in some way, showing that you really do know and understand each job to the extent that you can fill any role at any time (essentially, prove that you're good enough to even be a Mime).

As far as the customization part, just follow BLU as an example: have a certain amount of "set" points and slots for JAs, JTs, Spells, Weapons, etc, until you get the kind of combatant you want. Just like BLU, however, you'd only be able to put so much into your Mime, and so how you play it will be dependent on your gear and ability selection. Also, just like BLU, while Mime would have a wide array of abilities at its disposal, it's effectiveness in each would be slightly less than the actual, "true" job that possesses said ability naturally.

Of course, it would have its own 2 hour, and be incapable of mimicing any other jobs 2 hour, but the ability to literally make your own job, and redefine it on the spot, should be enough power for anyone, and well within the rights of anyone who undertakes the task of filling out all 1350 levels that are currently availiable.

[Ziero]

I say if you get all jobs to 75, that SE sends a robot to your house, who will physically scrape your ass off your chair, and hold you outside in the sunshine as you thrash and squeal while the UV rays vaporize you.
I know it's a joke, buut from my understanding it's usually the people who focus all their attentions on one specific job, getting all the uberest gear and maxing their stats/merits who would be like this. Most people I hear about having all jobs 75 usually gimp their way to that point by having crappy gear and a low understanding of how to play said job well. It's easier to go 1-75 then it is to get some pieces of gear in this game imo.

[Idun_Midgardsormr]

On the low end of the scale, something along the lines of Maat's cap, but sufficiently different to be obvious at a glance, and without needing examination. An outward sign that says "this character has all the jobs levelled to 75".

It could even be an aketon, similar to those from the starting cities, but active in all cities including Jeuno and Whitegate. Those aketons have a movement+ while inside the city, but they have no real use outside that other than as a status symbol (and since every 3rd mule is wearing one, not much of a symbol either!)

Just an idea!

[Jei]

Kinda like mastering all jobs in FF5, you get 1 single final job that can wear everything, can use every abilities and can cast every spell.

This assume you 75 every jobs, then you have to max every single merit available for them.

[Sevv]

S-E should give you the ability to shut the game off and just walk away, addiction free.

[robinkle]

The reason why so few have all jobs at 75 is because the only rewards are very minimal. If they had access to some of the game breaking bonuses you mentioned, you'd see a lot more people with every job gimped all the way to 75. In this day and age, it's not that hard to do. People had the three new jobs, each one complex and unique in it's functionality and playstyle, at 75 in less then a week. Getting all jobs to 75 can be easily done with powerlvling from an endgame LS full of help and a suped up static pt.

The cap is enough and anything else they could add would just be a new piece of gear.

I had that thought in mind, as just a matter of time before it came up hehe.

But it sorta matters what the reward would be.

If you got a 3rd sub job, ppl would most likely work hard and do alot of partying to achieve it. But it sure does take alot of time! :p
A maat LS would be appearing I think lol.

Maat's feet or something would be an ok reward for example.

Good point :)

[robinkle]

That's why I said "I don't think a further reward is necessary."

Why do you think a reward beyond Maat's Cap is necessary?

Nothing is necessary. You don't need anything. you can just buy on AH and get what you want. You dont need to play ffxi either. You dont even need to answer in this thread. its totally up to you. If there was no rewards in FFXI, it wouldnt be any point to do anything if you dont get something from what you do.

You are off topic really.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Reward for taking all jobs to 75:

Unemployment.
Virginity.
Possible broken marriage.
No real world friends to speak of.
Maat's Cap, put it on and sit in a corner.

[robinkle]

Extra storage space sounds good to me ... you'll need it!

Yeah with all jobs 75, storage would be nice so you dont need to be a Mule whore.

[robinkle]

I like the idea of being able to make a "custom" job from your 18 level 75 jobs. Make it the Mime job, only unlockable when you have completed a long quest that opens up after you hit 75 in all jobs. It could involve some events that focus a bit on each of the 18 jobs roles and/or story in some way, showing that you really do know and understand each job to the extent that you can fill any role at any time (essentially, prove that you're good enough to even be a Mime).

As far as the customization part, just follow BLU as an example: have a certain amount of "set" points and slots for JAs, JTs, Spells, Weapons, etc, until you get the kind of combatant you want. Just like BLU, however, you'd only be able to put so much into your Mime, and so how you play it will be dependent on your gear and ability selection. Also, just like BLU, while Mime would have a wide array of abilities at its disposal, it's effectiveness in each would be slightly less than the actual, "true" job that possesses said ability naturally.

Of course, it would have its own 2 hour, and be incapable of mimicing any other jobs 2 hour, but the ability to literally make your own job, and redefine it on the spot, should be enough power for anyone, and well within the rights of anyone who undertakes the task of filling out all 1350 levels that are currently availiable.

I've always thought of making a customizable job would be interesting. With some limits it wouldnt need to be overpowered either. But being able to make interesting combos and try out alot of stuff would be pretty much fun.

[robinkle]

I say if you get all jobs to 75, that SE sends a robot to your house, who will physically scrape your ass off your chair, and hold you outside in the sunshine as you thrash and squeal while the UV rays vaporize you.

I would like a robot as a reward. My RL pet. oh wait. this reminds me of PUP.. :/

[robinkle]

I could go with something small, the storage idea, a Maat's Cap +1 perhaps so long as it wasn't really a big step up on Maat's Cap but huge sweeping rewards? No thanks. All it's going to do is make PLing more widespread and the norm for longer which would pretty much take any enjoyment or challenge from levelling out of the first...40-50 levels?

Plus you are going to have a lot more people playing jobs they don't enjoy and aren't interested in all the way up to 75 leading to gimped crappy parties full of people who don't know their job and don't care being much more common at all levels.

Sorry but I seriously hope that SE doesn't introduce any big insentive to get all jobs to 75 all it will do is lower the standard of game play pre 75.

I'm against lvl 75 noobs as well. It tears me apart in parties when I play with them. Was in a pt where it was a DRK. he did about 100 dmg each fight. it was horrible. I wish the game showed statistics so the game told him/her how bad he/she is.

Maat Cap+ 1 yep. its a good idea. Could look a bit different too. just like Relic compared to original AF. A black one or something :P

[robinkle]

On the low end of the scale, something along the lines of Maat's cap, but sufficiently different to be obvious at a glance, and without needing examination. An outward sign that says "this character has all the jobs levelled to 75".

It could even be an aketon, similar to those from the starting cities, but active in all cities including Jeuno and Whitegate. Those aketons have a movement+ while inside the city, but they have no real use outside that other than as a status symbol (and since every 3rd mule is wearing one, not much of a symbol either!)

Just an idea!

Could be a Light around you. you would look like a god lol.
But I agree. Just like maat's cap ppl can see your achievement.
And all jobs 75 is a big achievement.

[robinkle]

Kinda like mastering all jobs in FF5, you get 1 single final job that can wear everything, can use every abilities and can cast every spell.

This assume you 75 every jobs, then you have to max every single merit available for them.
If you got to max every merit too I would find it a fair reward, since its a pretty neat reward that you suggest lol.

On top of that, the customizable job could be like you had to quest for each ability you wana unlock and use for the job for example.

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And once you capped that job, you can get wings and be able to fly lol j/k

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Your reward for taking all jobs to 75 would be to unlock the front door, and let you out.

Or if you fear the sun, you could always try playing a new game. Games other than FFXI do exist, after all.

Seriously, anyone who has sunk enough time into this game to get every single job to 75 is probably at the very end of their FFXI career. Whatever special benefit they get at that point, they're probably not going to take advantage of it for much longer.

[robinkle]

Your reward for taking all jobs to 75 would be to unlock the front door, and let you out.

Or if you fear the sun, you could always try playing a new game. Games other than FFXI do exist, after all.

Seriously, anyone who has sunk enough time into this game to get every single job to 75 is probably at the very end of their FFXI career. Whatever special benefit they get at that point, they're probably not going to take advantage of it for much longer.

Could allways get friends after you get the reward. :o.

If I got to level a customizable job. I would actually play it. :P
And even I, got work and friends lol. But I think I can get all jobs to 75 over time. I'm about to get my 5th job to 75 now SAM 67 at this moment. Got a THF65 and a MNK 58 coming up next after SAM. ^^

[Murphie]

Nothing is necessary. You don't need anything. you can just buy on AH and get what you want. You dont need to play ffxi either. You dont even need to answer in this thread. its totally up to you. If there was no rewards in FFXI, it wouldnt be any point to do anything if you dont get something from what you do.

You are off topic really.Man, talk about ridiculous.

[SeventyEight]

I do not see a problem with another piece of "Maat" gear for leveling all jobs to 75.

[Sevv]

it cant be another piece of maat gear you don't fight maat for pup,cor,blu.

the game also doesn't need another piece of useless gear to show you have no life.

[robinkle]

it cant be another piece of maat gear you don't fight maat for pup,cor,blu.

the game also doesn't need another piece of useless gear to show you have no life.

Cor pup and blu isnt a part of the maat quest, so they wont count.

otherwise. they could take pup, blu and cor in the all 75 reward, but it wouldn't be with maat in the picture.

What items that is needed or not, is up to each individual if the would like to have it or not.

[Murphie]

No, it's up to SE.

[robinkle]

No, it's up to SE.

To implement the item yes.

[Feba]

If you don't want every job at 75, don't level every job to 75. If you do, be damn happy you're among the handful that's actually done it, and stop bitching.

[Murphie]

So then it's not up to the individual.

The thing is, it's already more difficult to get Maat's cap then it is to level all jobs to 75. As has already been pointed out, it's easy to half-ass most jobs to 75. But beating Maat on all of them? Not so much. True, they have the benefit of leveling the job to 75 before giving it a try, but quite frankly, I doubt that some players would still be able to manage some of the tougher fights.

Why do we need another reward? Is there a real reason for it, or is this just some idea you had this one time, and you thought it was cool, so you thought you'd see what the folks at FFXIO thought about it and anyone who disagrees is clearly wrong and why don't people just like my idea?

[robinkle]

So then it's not up to the individual.

The thing is, it's already more difficult to get Maat's cap then it is to level all jobs to 75. As has already been pointed out, it's easy to half-ass most jobs to 75. But beating Maat on all of them? Not so much. True, they have the benefit of leveling the job to 75 before giving it a try, but quite frankly, I doubt that some players would still be able to manage some of the tougher fights.

Why do we need another reward? Is there a real reason for it, or is this just some idea you had this one time, and you thought it was cool, so you thought you'd see what the folks at FFXIO thought about it and anyone who disagrees is clearly wrong and why don't people just like my idea?

You'll spend more time on leveling all jobs to 75, then beat maat with all jobs.
Thats how I see it is a bigger challenge then defeating maat. you need gear and all that as well to level in an effective way. The reason for the reward is that it is a good achivement. its like your birthday. you are finally 12 years old and you get reward for it. Same as this. you got all jobs at 75, you are the "master of all jobs." here is your reward.

I thought of this as an Idea to put another goal into the game that I and everyone else can look forward too.

[Murphie]

But you're wrong, as has already been stated several times in this thread. People half-ass jobs to 75 all the time. They don't get the best gear, and they don't bother to do the job well. But you have to be good at the job to beat Maat on most jobs (some more than others). So beating him is a bigger challenge.

Having all jobs at 75 isn't something that everyone else can look forward to. A reward for that targets a very small portion of the player base. Most people playing this game will never have more than one job at 75, much less all of them.

[Feba]

Same as this. you got all jobs at 75, you are the "master of all jobs." here is your reward.It's a Cap. If you aren't happy enough with that, then don't level the jobs to 75. Look on the bright side, at least you aren't getting socks for your birthday.


I thought of this as an Idea to put another goal into the game that I and everyone else can look forward too.Thinking everyone is looking forward to getting all jobs to 75 is like thinking most people want to speak ten languages. Sure, there are people out there that do, but most people are fine with one or two.

[Omniblast]

When you get all jobs to 75, a big Congratulations appears on your head. Then your character becomes a NPC of your home town, spouting messages like, "Hey if I can do it you can too!"

Then you are unable to move your character or play your character anymore. Your account is closed, and your IP is banned. Congratulations! You have a life again!

[robinkle]

"It's a Cap. If you aren't happy enough with that, then don't level the jobs to 75. Look on the bright side, at least you aren't getting socks for your birthday."

As I see this you would be just as happy with no reward when all jobs is 75, cuz you arent gona do that yourself probably. am I right?

Thinking everyone is looking forward to getting all jobs to 75 is like thinking most people want to speak ten languages. Sure, there are people out there that do, but most people are fine with one or two.

Some players like to level, some like to do quests, some like camping.
Some knows ten langagues as well. I know .. um 4 languages.
Those who like doing leveling should have something to look forward to as well I think.

[Murphie]

Yes, they have the benefits of having many jobs leveled to 75 to look forward to. That's the reward.

[robinkle]

But you're wrong, as has already been stated several times in this thread. People half-ass jobs to 75 all the time. They don't get the best gear, and they don't bother to do the job well. But you have to be good at the job to beat Maat on most jobs (some more than others). So beating him is a bigger challenge.

Having all jobs at 75 isn't something that everyone else can look forward to. A reward for that targets a very small portion of the player base. Most people playing this game will never have more than one job at 75, much less all of them.

First thing. you need beat maat on all jobs first. cuz maat cap is a part of the same quest, only previous chapter. I know what you mean. Lets say we make it harder to get the last thing done. Prove to maat that you master all your 75 jobs. and fight him again where both you and maat is lvl 75, where maat have some new tricks.

Yes. Small portion of the playerbase would benefit from this. So it is for Ridill, Adaman Hauberk, Maat's cap.. and alot more. I don't see the problem with that.

[Feba]

As I see this you would be just as happy with no reward when all jobs is 75, cuz you arent gona do that yourself probably. am I right?There is a reward. It's called having *all jobs at 75*.

[Murphie]

Dude, you're just making this up as you go. And none of it makes any sense.

[robinkle]

Yes, they have the benefits of having many jobs leveled to 75 to look forward to. That's the reward.

You could say the same thing about maat's cap.
Why get Maat's cap rewarded when all your jobs at 66+ is a reward it self?

Or what about rank 5. you get Airship pass. why? Rank 5 is a reward it self..

I can continue forever. I bet. this game would not be such fun if you didnt get those rewards.

[robinkle]

Dude, you're just making this up as you go. And none of it makes any sense.

Its an Idea. Ideas are made up. And thats how discussion goes.

If I dont make sense please let me know what you refer too and I can explain.

[Amele]

Yes. Small portion of the playerbase would benefit from this. So it is for Ridill, Adaman Hauberk, Maat's cap.. and alot more. I don't see the problem with that.

ridill and adaberk aren't even close to the rarity (or difficulty to obtain) of maat's cap. I'd say you could compare it to a relic, but that's still shortchanging the cap's time investment.

Maat's cap is exactly what it needs to be: a good item with nothing really 'better' in the slot (ok,ok, so it could use haste+7% too) for going slightly over halfway in exp on 15 jobs (63~ being the midway point now). but nothing so 'incredibly awesome' that it could ever possibly be a discriminator between two players.

adding another item for getting all jobs to 75 is 'ok' if it's along the same lines as maat's cap. the rewards people talk about here *are* unbalancing though, if only because most of them -would- serve as discriminators between two players.

[Murphie]

So, basically you're just being obstinate for obstinacy's sake.

[robinkle]

ridill and adaberk aren't even close to the rarity (or difficulty to obtain) of maat's cap. I'd say you could compare it to a relic, but that's still shortchanging the cap's time investment.

Maat's cap is exactly what it needs to be: a good item with nothing really 'better' in the slot (ok,ok, so it could use haste+7% too) for going slightly over halfway in exp on 15 jobs (63~ being the midway point now). but nothing so 'incredibly awesome' that it could ever possibly be a discriminator between two players.

adding another item for getting all jobs to 75 is 'ok' if it's along the same lines as maat's cap. the rewards people talk about here *are* unbalancing though, if only because most of them -would- serve as discriminators between two players.

Is rare a bad thing?

Would it be unbalancing if 4 players on a server had one more reward then others? Maat's cap does not have any unbalancing effect as far as I know, why would a second reward have any? If you get a pair of maat boots with +7 in all stats. I dont see a reason that the game would become unbalanced.

I agree with this. that if the reward is too good, it will unbalance the game, cuz so many would actually do alot to achive the goal that it wont be rare anymore, and parties can be overpowered. But it sure does take a while to get all jobs to 75. I've played for 3 years. having 4 jobs at 75 and 3 other that is close. it will take another 2 years before I'm close to all jobs 75. Its a big thing. Some jobs takes about 3 months to level, some takes 1 month. My nin took 1 month and 2 weeks. My DRK took 3 months. my RDM took 2 months, but it was my first 75 job. Currently I think it will take me 2 years. cuz there is 10 jobs left? and I got all the gear ready.

[Grizzlebeard]

Please stop saying, "cuz" because it makes me want to snap your fingers like dry twigs.

As to a reward for getting all jobs to 75, there probably should be something for those select few people willing to sacrifice their lives in order to reach that pinnacle of sadness.

[robinkle]

Please stop saying, "cuz" because it makes me want to snap your fingers like dry twigs.

As to a reward for getting all jobs to 75, there probably should be something for those select few people willing to sacrifice their lives in order to reach that pinnacle of sadness.

1. I can say alot of silly things. I find it more silly when people comment it.
But this is off topic. Most importantly, you understood what I ment.
If not, please ask. My english have some limitis, I apologize for that.

2. If you take all jobs to 75 within 3 years of playing, yes I woud agree your comment. Within a long perriod of time, its doable even with a normal life.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

So, basically you're just being obstinate for obstinacy's sake.
He's being obstinate for post count's sake, maybe?

[robinkle]

He's being obstinate for post count's sake, maybe?

He have the ability to extend the discussion atleast. you are probably right.

[Amele]

He have the ability to extend the discussion atleast. you are probably right.

you do know he was talking about you, right?

[Kuro]

I'm not sure which idea you refer too. But I dont think any reward would have any bad effect on the game, since getting all jobs to 75, actually requiers alot of time and very few players have all jobs to 75. I never heard of any who has all jobs at 75.

Personally I'm working on Maat's cap. eventually I want all jobs to 75. Its a great achievement. and I think I would want something back from the hard work.

They are ALL way too powerfull

Hell even the weakest suggestion, second sub. Even if the second sub was at 1/2 lv PLD/NIN/WAR {can I have it?}

[Hantz]

That's it; I'm calling for a boycott of this thread. Asking for an SE sanctioned crown for your epeen really doesn't need this much debate. I'm done with this.

[robinkle]

you do know he was talking about you, right?

He didnt say any name.

[Lambeaus]

Something cosmetic would be cool. Like a set of GM armor, a different color perhaps,(without the uber stats). Something to show off when running around Jeuno or Whitegate doing errands.

[robinkle]

Something cosmetic would be cool. Like a set of GM armor, a different color perhaps,(without the uber stats). Something to show off when running around Jeuno or Whitegate doing errands.

Like a king Crown. ^^

Lable or symbol.

Good idea :)

[Kuro]

If you want somthiong to make people notice you 2 things

#1 Ring that you can use any time, transforms you nito the model of bapho, then people will see you!

#2 Give you a big glowey aura like lv 99 on RO

[Murphie]

Who is Bapho?

[Omniblast]

Who is Bapho?
Short for Baphomet. A BOSS type creature from Ragnarok Online that carries a Scythe and spawns little Bahopmets that swarm you and kill you. :)

Here's his card.
http://www.ragnarokhq.com/images/items/Baphomet_Card.jpg

This is what he looks like in game.
http://ragnarok.asiasoft.co.th/ro_guide/chap5/images/baphomet.gif

And here's little Bapho Jr.
http://ragnarok.asiasoft.co.th/ro_guide/chap5/images/baphomet_junior.gif

[Murphie]

Why would you want to look like a character from an entirely different game?

[Kuro]

People would notice you. And because Ive gotten into the bad habbit of calling Bahamut it lol

[Aeolus]

If you get lv75 on all jobs you can come on down to FFXIOnline.com and post it in the latest accomplishment thread.

[Raydeus]

I'm dissapointed at this thread, I was expecting something better than an "I want something I can show off to make me feel better about myself" kinda thread. =/

But anyway, from everything I've read so far I think the (Maat's cap +1) idea would be the only kinda plausible one.

The +1 version would have all stats +8 instead of +7, and then gain +1 stat point per job set completed. Job set meaning all the new jobs from an expansion, so you would get better caps as more expansions and jobs are added.

Maybe simply trading your old cap to Maat after completing a new job set.


(Plus having a (Maat's cap +10) in 10 years from now would be fun if XI is still going XD).

[robinkle]

Yes a +1 would be realistic. I think most ppl agree that one :). Would be fun if they implemented it.

[Aeolus]

Seriously though, why should someone be rewarded again with a super cool item for basically just having more time to play than everyone else? There is no more skill involved in taking all jobs to 75 than there is in taking one job to 75. There is no need for this reward you are seeking really other than for someones epeen and lets be honest, if youve had the time to get all jobs to lv75 including Blu/Cor/Pup then you could actually have just lved all to 66 for Maat's Cap and have 2-3 at 75, be in the Top Endgame shell on your server (because you certainly have time for it) and have lots of epeen enhancing items.

[robinkle]

Seriously though, why should someone be rewarded again with a super cool item for basically just having more time to play than everyone else? There is no more skill involved in taking all jobs to 75 than there is in taking one job to 75. There is no need for this reward you are seeking really other than for someones epeen and lets be honest, if youve had the time to get all jobs to lv75 including Blu/Cor/Pup then you could actually have just lved all to 66 for Maat's Cap and have 2-3 at 75, be in the Top Endgame shell on your server (because you certainly have time for it) and have lots of epeen enhancing items.

Would it be unfair if I got something because I got more time?

If I had time enaugh, I would join a HNM shell and get some neat stuff.
But I don't. Still I don't complain. Its just how it is. I think more players have time for parties.

I think one of the reasons I came up with this idea is that to me its a goal to reach all jobs to 75. and I wana reach the goal with a reward. Now its more like crossing the finishline with no reward, It feels empty.

[Aeolus]

Just wait until your lv75 with all jobs to obtain the Maat's Cap instead of getting it earlier if you want a reward.

[Feba]

The reward is crossing it. If that isn't enough of a reward, don't run a marathon.

[BurningPanther]

You shouldn't get any reward for leveling all jobs to 75. Hell, there shouldn't be a reward for leveling the first 15 jobs to 75. If anything, you should be mocked.

The mockery should come in the form of A Testimonial (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Testimonial), a la the quest to obtain a Lu Shang's rod.

[robinkle]

Just wait until your lv75 with all jobs to obtain the Maat's Cap instead of getting it earlier if you want a reward.

Thats not the point.

1st
With maat's cap quest. you get rewarded for defeating him with all jobs.
Even if I wait till all my jobs are 75, I would still get maat's cap for the same reason.

2nd
My idea. when you have gotten all jobs to 75 you get rewarded by maat with a new item, or upgraded maat's cap or what ever SE find suitable.

I mean. Man, all jobs to 75 is hard work long time. Atleast you deserve some thing you can wear that shows what you have achived. I think that would have been a nice thing. Anything usefull would be a great reward.

[Feba]

Man, all jobs to 75 is hard work long time.

Then don't do it.

[Aeolus]

SE obviously dont find anything suitable for leveling all jobs to 75 or there would be a reward, you want them to find your idea suitable. All jobs to 75 is not hard work, it comes from playing the game way to much.

It would be kind of ironic for them to add a new item for people who obviously are ignoring the warning before your allowed onto FFXI.

[Murphie]

How about the moment you ding 75 on your final job, all of your jobs reset to 1 and you get to start over from scratch, but you get a guide beret or something.

[Aeolus]

Thats probably the best reward for someone who has that much time to play.

[robinkle]

It would be kind of ironic for them to add a new item for people who obviously are ignoring the warning before your allowed onto FFXI.

Finally a good argument.
I think those who got maat's cap ignored the warning too though. I dunno how much difference it would make.

[Aeolus]

If you started back in the day and only level up then that person probably doesnt play anymore than the average person.

[Amele]

Finally a good argument.
I think those who got maat's cap ignored the warning too though. I dunno how much difference it would make.

when they initially implemented the maat's cap, the halfway point in exp from 1-75 was 65.

so basically, taking two jobs to 66 was no different than 1 job to 75. maat's cap is the reward for going halfway on 15 jobs.

assuming an average of 6k/exp an hour (so get lots of bards) this is around 51 days of playtime. (this is an optimistic estimate, realistically, it'd be about double if you did it entirely in random pickup parties.)

assuming an average of 2 hours of play a night (I realize you can't get much done in 2 hours for seeking exp, but you could play six hours one night and take two off and accomplish the same average) you would have ~90 days of playtime after three years. this is a pretty conservative estimate of playtime.

when maat's cap was introduced the game had been out for several years in Japan (I was looking for the release date but could not find it: it's at least 2 and I suspect it was 3, since it was added some time after the final limit break) so it's entirely reasonable for someone who was playing specifically to get the cap could have one without straining their playtime.

[robinkle]

when they initially implemented the maat's cap, the halfway point in exp from 1-75 was 65.

so basically, taking two jobs to 66 was no different than 1 job to 75. maat's cap is the reward for going halfway on 15 jobs.

assuming an average of 6k/exp an hour (so get lots of bards) this is around 51 days of playtime. (this is an optimistic estimate, realistically, it'd be about double if you did it entirely in random pickup parties.)

assuming an average of 2 hours of play a night (I realize you can't get much done in 2 hours for seeking exp, but you could play six hours one night and take two off and accomplish the same average) you would have ~90 days of playtime after three years. this is a pretty conservative estimate of playtime.

when maat's cap was introduced the game had been out for several years in Japan (I was looking for the release date but could not find it: it's at least 2 and I suspect it was 3, since it was added some time after the final limit break) so it's entirely reasonable for someone who was playing specifically to get the cap could have one without straining their playtime.

uhm. I just find it wierd that you get reward for doing 15 jobs to lvl 66 and not 75.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Would it be unfair if I got something because I got more time?
That would depend on what that "something" is.

What if SE gave a customizable job option to players who reached 75 on all jobs? Would you agree that being able to play with a customizable job is a vastly different experience than you can have currently with the game? I'm guessing you'll say "yes" to that question.

What portion of the player base currently has all jobs to 75? Going by the 500k accounts figure we've gotten from SE, across 32 servers, if 100 players per server got all jobs to 75, that's still only 0.64% of the player population. If we assume that the 500k accounts figure is out of date, and that a closer number is 250k active players, that's still barely over 1% of the player base. And that's assuming 100 players per server (which seems high to me for something that requires as much time as taking 18 different jobs and getting 800k exp on each of them). If you assume an average of 4k exp per hour (I know you can get much higher during some stretches with a TP burn party in ToAU, but not all 18 jobs fits well into a TP burn, and you'll wind up with slower exp during other stretches), you can expect to spend 200 hours of exp'ing per job. That's 3600+ hours for all 18 jobs, or over 150 real life days!

Is it "fair" to add something to the game that results in a vastly different gameplay experience when only 1% of the player base (or less) gets to experience it? Or lets forget about the "fair" thing, since fairness is very subjective. Is it good game design? Does SE really want to spend the time and resources it takes to design, implement, test and maintain a complicated feature that only 1% or less of the player base will ever touch? By adding this feature, does SE really want to encourage more of the player base to spend 150+ real life days of just doing exp?

[Taskmage]

Gave this thread a long overdue move to General Discussion. Before posting another thread in the Ask SE forum, please reread the posting guidelines (http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/ask-squareenix-questions/59254-important-read-before-posting-threads-dont-follow-will-deleted.html) for that section.

[Ziero]

Good DAMN there is a lot of vitrol against the idea of someone getting all jobs to 75 here. Seriously, it does *not* make you that big of a 'loser' to get all jobs capped over a few years. And on that note the very fact we all play this game so much gives none of us the right to call others who play more a 'loser' or whatever. Especially in this day and age with constant Plvls, 10-20k an hour burn PTs, lower EXP cap, lower exp loss on death, bonus exp for missions and quests and weekly exp scroll gets all over with gear that can be used on multiple jobs. Again, I point to the fact that three brand new, completely unique jobs that were released recently had people hitting 75 in them in a matter of *DAYS*.

On that note, I agree it would be nice for people who do get all jobs to 75 to be able get something unique, but none of the things the OP mentioned. It is not that big deal for SE to add another 'look at me!' piece of gear for reaching that rare goal of having 18 lvl 75 jobs. It could even be like another poster here mentioned in that it'd be a unique Aketon with movment speed+ in ALL cities or something. A minor, unneeded but nice to have item.

Or in other words, I agree with the OPs idea, just not with his ideas for rewards.

[Arctic Wolf]

I just think any idea has to be realistic, and not give any "dodgy" advantage like becomming 7th party member. From the OP, I only find the additional Maat's gear realistic. Maat's Cap +1 got my vote. I find the current one a bit weak to be honest.

[Sevv]

I got an idea for a reward....



You can merit everything,
Use every spell for pc's in the game,
Wield Any weapon,
Use any armor,
Use every WS,
Merit on any job,
Never have to exp another job to 75,
Oh wait nvm you wouldn't even get maat's cap for this because, you never said you beat him on every job, and you can do these already by having every job @ 75.



EDIT:

Oh and before i forget and you say it is only because you are not doing it, I am lvling all jobs to 75 and beating Maat/Immortal/Corsair/Pup npc for every job.

[robinkle]

I just think any idea has to be realistic, and not give any "dodgy" advantage like becomming 7th party member. From the OP, I only find the additional Maat's gear realistic. Maat's Cap +1 got my vote. I find the current one a bit weak to be honest.

I know some of my reward ideas isnt realistic, it was to open the Discussion. To bad many people only focus on those. Personally I find Maat's cap +1 a fair deal myself. or another piece of maat gear.

[robinkle]

Good DAMN there is a lot of vitrol against the idea of someone getting all jobs to 75 here. Seriously, it does *not* make you that big of a 'loser' to get all jobs capped over a few years. And on that note the very fact we all play this game so much gives none of us the right to call others who play more a 'loser' or whatever. Especially in this day and age with constant Plvls, 10-20k an hour burn PTs, lower EXP cap, lower exp loss on death, bonus exp for missions and quests and weekly exp scroll gets all over with gear that can be used on multiple jobs. Again, I point to the fact that three brand new, completely unique jobs that were released recently had people hitting 75 in them in a matter of *DAYS*.

On that note, I agree it would be nice for people who do get all jobs to 75 to be able get something unique, but none of the things the OP mentioned. It is not that big deal for SE to add another 'look at me!' piece of gear for reaching that rare goal of having 18 lvl 75 jobs. It could even be like another poster here mentioned in that it'd be a unique Aketon with movment speed+ in ALL cities or something. A minor, unneeded but nice to have item.

Or in other words, I agree with the OPs idea, just not with his ideas for rewards.

I like what I hear ^^

About my ideas, it was something I made up in a few secs. But some liked the new maat piece idea. Your aketon could be the Maat's jacket :p. But doesnt have to be connected to Maat at all.

[Freedan]

Reward after taking all jobs to 75?

Expand the Maat quest? (this would exclude COR, PUP, BLU).

Anyone think those who spend so much time leveling all jobs to 75 could deserve a nice reward?

There is just a few who might even come close to achieving this, so any reward would not have much effect on the game balance I think:

lvl 75 Sub job?

A 3rd sub job?

Another piece of Maat's gear?

Unlock a new Customizable job? (add elements from different jobs into 1 job).

Being able to become a 7th party member.

Access to storage from any town.

Any thoughts?

The only Reward I think SE can give some one with all jobs at 75 is A Cancelation of said Account.

Only way for SE to help this person out with this addiction.

[robinkle]

I got an idea for a reward....



You can merit everything,
Use every spell for pc's in the game,
Wield Any weapon,
Use any armor,
Use every WS,
Merit on any job,
Never have to exp another job to 75,
Oh wait nvm you wouldn't even get maat's cap for this because, you never said you beat him on every job, and you can do these already by having every job @ 75.



EDIT:

Oh and before i forget and you say it is only because you are not doing it, I am lvling all jobs to 75 and beating Maat/Immortal/Corsair/Pup npc for every job.

I would agree If I was 12. This is rubbish.

[Hantz]

This is rubbish.

Need I say more?

[robinkle]

The only Reward I think SE can give some one with all jobs at 75 is A Cancelation of said Account.

Only way for SE to help this person out with this addiction.


I just came to think about rubbish as a funny word, and it does fit in here too.

[robinkle]

Need I say more?

You have said enaugh allready.

[Murphie]

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/ffxio4/buttons/edit.gif This button has mystical powers. Look into it.

[robinkle]

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/ffxio4/buttons/edit.gif This button has mystical powers. Look into it.

To those who type off topic, It would be great.

[Murphie]

That was pretty much 100% on topic. Besides, it's good for everyone. Seriously.

[Hantz]

You have said enaugh allready.

Sir, I can assure you, I've never said that word in my life.

I don't get it. You're the main one bumping your own thread for several days now, for an idea of an addition that most people feel is pointless. Tell me, why would somebody need an item for the sole purpose of showing everyone around them that they took all jobs to 75? Why is it not enough to know that you already had all jobs at the cap, and that you could use any of them for whatever you liked?

Honestly, it is very unimportant, and everything to be said about it, has been said.

[robinkle]

Sir, I can assure you, I've never said that word in my life.

What word? :)

[Ameroth]

What word? :)

Now your just actin' a fool.

[robinkle]

Now your just actin' a fool.

Yes I am. And I know. You didnt have to tell me.

[Sevv]

I got an idea for a reward....
You can merit everything,
Use every spell for pc's in the game,
Wield Any weapon,
Use any armor,
Use every WS,
Merit on any job,
Never have to exp another job to 75,
Oh wait nvm you wouldn't even get maat's cap for this because, you never said you beat him on every job, and you can do these already by having every job @ 75.
EDIT:
Oh and before i forget and you say it is only because you are not doing it, I am lvling all jobs to 75 and beating Maat/Immortal/Corsair/Pup npc for every job.
I would agree If I was 12. This is rubbish.


OK robin lets have some fun. Seeing you are 100% needing a reward for leveling all jobs to 75. Your selfish and misguided in this post. You say there should be a reward for leveling all jobs to 75.

You get the maat's cap for leveling all pre-ToAU jobs to 66+ and beating maat on everyone of them. So there is one reward, Maat's Cap.

You can't argue that a new item needs to be put in to make people actually do this, Ifrit has atleast 2 players with all 75 jobs, about a dozen people with maat's cap and a good 20-30 on the way to all 75's.

You keep saying +1 maat's cap or more maat gear. Guess you forgot the fact where Blue Mage, Corsair, Puppetmaster don't fight maat. Note you say ALL jobs to 75, so i.e. it wouldn't fit with your own idea of it.

You seem to more be trolling your own post then even, thinking and discussing the fact, maybe coming up with a good idea. You want something not ground breaking, Get a trophy for you mog house with storage +3.

Please stop whooshing on this thread its just sad. What are your job levels btw? Or just a common person trying to get some post counts +1? Please stop wasting time and go level your damn jobs, you need to have them all 75 see you back in a couple years, remember every time you post here your losing exp for your all 75s.


http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1181592538-20149ignore.b.jpg


What word? :)
enaugh

[Ziero]

Sir, I can assure you, I've never said that word in my life.
I don't get it. You're the main one bumping your own thread for several days now, for an idea of an addition that most people feel is pointless. Tell me, why would somebody need an item for the sole purpose of showing everyone around them that they took all jobs to 75? Why is it not enough to know that you already had all jobs at the cap, and that you could use any of them for whatever you liked?
Honestly, it is very unimportant, and everything to be said about it, has been said.
It's just as important as the Nation Aketons, the Rank 10 Flag, the Craft guild gear, *every* holiday and event item and of course the Maats cap itself. It's a simple idea to get some sort of reward for doing something very rare and thats it. It's obvious some people may not like the idea, but the answer to how to deal with that is simple. Don't click the link. The majority of this topic isn't even about the idea, it's people taking pot shots at the OP for bad grammer, overpowered rewards and the very concept of taking all jobs to 75.

The idea is simple, a useless but unique reward for doing something very rare. Which would be cool because there would be no reason for it to not be added.

[Murphie]

The majority of this topic isn't even about the idea, it's people taking pot shots at the OP for bad grammer, overpowered rewards and the very concept of taking all jobs to 75.To be fair, he's giving as much as he's getting on that front. Sometimes more.

And then he has the audacity to report people for doing the very thing he's doing right back at them.

[robinkle]

OK robin lets have some fun. Seeing you are 100% needing a reward for leveling all jobs to 75. Your selfish and misguided in this post. You say there should be a reward for leveling all jobs to 75.

You get the maat's cap for leveling all pre-ToAU jobs to 66+ and beating maat on everyone of them. So there is one reward, Maat's Cap.

You can't argue that a new item needs to be put in to make people actually do this, Ifrit has atleast 2 players with all 75 jobs, about a dozen people with maat's cap and a good 20-30 on the way to all 75's.

You keep saying +1 maat's cap or more maat gear. Guess you forgot the fact where Blue Mage, Corsair, Puppetmaster don't fight maat. Note you say ALL jobs to 75, so i.e. it wouldn't fit with your own idea of it.

You seem to more be trolling your own post then even, thinking and discussing the fact, maybe coming up with a good idea. You want something not ground breaking, Get a trophy for you mog house with storage +3.

Please stop whooshing on this thread its just sad. What are your job levels btw? Or just a common person trying to get some post counts +1? Please stop wasting time and go level your damn jobs, you need to have them all 75 see you back in a couple years, remember every time you post here your losing exp for your all 75s.


http://www.acc.umu.se/%7Ezqad/cats/1181592538-20149ignore.b.jpg

If people would stop messing up the thread I would be acting differently.
And it includes you. If you don't like my idea, just suggest something new instead of messing up the thread with crap. If you dont like the thread then dont post in it. If you don't like me, stay away from me, would do us both good.

[Sevv]

It's just as important as the Nation Aketons, the Rank 10 Flag, the Craft guild gear, *every* holiday and event item and of course the Maats cap itself. It's a simple idea to get some sort of reward for doing something very rare and thats it. It's obvious some people may not like the idea, but the answer to how to deal with that is simple. Don't click the link. The majority of this topic isn't even about the idea, it's people taking pot shots at the OP for bad grammer, overpowered rewards and the very concept of taking all jobs to 75.
The idea is simple, a useless but unique reward for doing something very rare. Which would be cool because there would be no reason for it to not be added.


The only fact is that people want to voice their opinions, if they don't like the idea they can and will speak out against it. Grammar shots are just a side thing, that always happens, I know all too well. Rank 10 flags serve the purpose of extra cp, as well as the reward does not take, years upon years to complete (i'm talking about play time btw). Craft guild gear is purchased, you don't have to craft it at all. You could buy every item to trade in, also introduced more so of there will be alot more crafters then all 75 jobs. Holiday items are basically freely given away for ne one who is willing to relax in the game for an hour.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I've tried to follow this thread and it disturbs me on just about every level.

The online self-image thing has really gotten out-of-hand. I mean, you got people out there that actually sit and count thier merits, collect all the AFs, get Maat's Cap, god gear and that's not epeen enough?

Let me break it down for you.

A merit means one and only one thing - you grinded out 10k EXP. Now, lets say you have 200 merits. You think that's awesome, but what you fail to realize is that what you're really saying is that you've sank 200 hours of your life into a video game.

And if you're going to get technical on that and say you made it in less, you're just telling me how much psychiatric help you really need. Its not something I'd brag about at any rate.

There are enough rewards in the game. I've already seen people throw away thier lives on camping HNM and doing endgame, I don't think we need to encourage them any furthur.

[Sevv]

If people would stop messing up the thread I would be acting differently.

No one is really messing up "your" thread. It simply the fact you talk about any of the following: Buffing/Nerfing/New Items/"Why me?"/Rmts/Etc. people are going to have opposing views on here. Alot of our members will voice them you come back thinking its a personal attack welcome to the mess it is now.


And it includes you.

Ya i'm messing up your thread by posting my thoughts and keeping it very clean to date. Ask around I can be an ass I admit to it lol. Murphie will probably call me an ass.


If you don't like my idea, just suggest something new instead of messing up the thread with crap.

You seem to more be trolling your own post then even, thinking and discussing the fact, maybe coming up with a good idea. You want something not ground breaking, Get a trophy for you mog house with storage +3.

Hi2u look I did two min ago instead of reading the post you went into bitch mode tho.



If you dont like the thread then dont post in it.
I don't mind the thread had a chance to be a good idea but you /faceplanted too early.

If you don't like me, stay away from me, would do us both good.

You have yet to give me a reason to dislike you, your just failing to read and stay on your own topic.




PS-> So what are your job levels?

[Murphie]

He mentioned at one point having a few 75s. So he seems to be working towards this goal.

I don't think you're an ass, Sev. But you can be trying at times.

[robinkle]

I've tried to follow this thread and it disturbs me on just about every level.

The online self-image thing has really gotten out-of-hand. I mean, you got people out there that actually sit and count thier merits, collect all the AFs, get Maat's Cap, god gear and that's not epeen enough?

Let me break it down for you.

A merit means one and only one thing - you grinded out 10k EXP. Now, lets say you have 200 merits. You think that's awesome, but what you fail to realize is that what you're really saying is that you've sank 200 hours of your life into a video game.

And if you're going to get technical on that and say you made it in less, you're just telling me how much psychiatric help you really need. Its not something I'd brag about at any rate.

There are enough rewards in the game. I've already seen people throw away thier lives on camping HNM and doing endgame, I don't think we need to encourage them any furthur.

To make it short.
Yes, a reward for taking all jobs to 75, would encourage more players to get more addicted to the game. Its a good point.

But you could say that in many other threads as well. playing FFXI it self is not healthy when you are addicted. and you simply can't complete the game, because it keeps evolving(i'm not sure if thats the right word but w/e). That might be the reason it wont have any effect on addiction. What the reward is, would be the judge of it. If I would be able to use a 3rd sub job or anything that we call unrealistic, we would have a big increase in addiction indeed.

If its an aketon that gives you 12% movement speed in all towns, not much players wouldn't even bother thinking about it. Maat's cap +1 for example wouldn't be that much, unless it gives +99 on all stats. +8 on all stats would work.

[robinkle]

No one is really messing up "your" thread. It simply the fact you talk about any of the following: Buffing/Nerfing/New Items/"Why me?"/Rmts/Etc. people are going to have opposing views on here. Alot of our members will voice them you come back thinking its a personal attack welcome to the mess it is now.



Ya i'm messing up your thread by posting my thoughts and keeping it very clean to date. Ask around I can be an ass I admit to it lol. Murphie will probably call me an ass.



Hi2u look I did two min ago instead of reading the post you went into bitch mode tho.



I don't mind the thread had a chance to be a good idea but you /faceplanted too early.



You have yet to give me a reason to dislike you, your just failing to read and stay on your own topic.




PS-> So what are your job levels?

I admit my mistakes. I get carried on. I'm very sorry.

To me, suggesting being able to do everything, is just too much above the limit passed unrealistic, and I was seeing what you wrote as Sarcasm, thats why I reacted how I did. I'm sorry for the missunderstanding. Seriously.



I would like to know pros and cons, how it could be made to work, and if it doesnt work at all, type why. That would to me be a satisfying answer.

As the first reply in my thread "It would be too overpowered." It actually makes other readers to post with the same view. It has a bad effect on the thread.

[Murphie]

The reason he suggested you be able to do everything, is because you would be able to do everything, because you would have every job at 75. You would be able to merit on any job, and use any weapon, etc.

[Ziero]

To be fair, he's giving as much as he's getting on that front. Sometimes more.
And then he has the audacity to report people for doing the very thing he's doing right back at them.

The topic went a good two pages with no arguments from the OP regardless of people agreeing or disagreeing on his idea. Despite the few 'only losers play that much' type posts, which is irony at it's finest, there were no flames. But it slowly and surely turned into a pissing contest and it was not the OP who started it. He's wrong for fighting fire with fire, but not exactly for trying to report stuff that more or less derailed this topic.

The only fact is that people want to voice their opinions, if they don't like the idea they can and will speak out against it. Grammar shots are just a side thing, that always happens, I know all too well. Rank 10 flags serve the purpose of extra cp, as well as the reward does not take, years upon years to complete (i'm talking about play time btw). Craft guild gear is purchased, you don't have to craft it at all. You could buy every item to trade in, also introduced more so of there will be alot more crafters then all 75 jobs. Holiday items are basically freely given away for ne one who is willing to relax in the game for an hour.

It started off with people voicing opinions and slowly moved into the relm of flaming opinions. People attacked the OP because they think a reward for getting all jobs to 75 was 'not necesaary', and all the items I mentioned are things in game that aren't 'necessary' either. And no, you can't 'purchase' the guild items, you have to get your Craft skill to a certain point to even gain access to those items. But as nice as they are, not one is in any way needed, just like an item from getting all jobs 75.

Not once did he say a reward was needed, in fact he specifically said it wasn't needed. Yet people still flame and bait him by asking things like 'Why do you think a reward beyond Maat's Cap is necessary?' That's not the point of this topic nor was it ever the OPs intent to say it was. he asked if anyone thought those who leveled all jobs to 75 deserved a 'nice' reward then gave some suggestions and asked for feedback. And there are many people who think it would be nice to get *something* small and showy for it who posted in this thread, so the idea isn't that bad. It's just his rewards were a bit much, which he admited and asked for others opinions.

[Murphie]

Actually, he said several times that a reward was needed to encourage more people to do it.

And once he started flaming back, he pretty much lost any moral high ground. Sorry, Ziero.

[robinkle]

The reason he suggested you be able to do everything, is because you would be able to do everything, because you would have every job at 75. You would be able to merit on any job, and use any weapon, etc.

I know your point. Having all jobs at 75, would be a reward it self. It's true. you can do alot of stuff, actually you can do everything everyone else can,unless you you haven't done the missions yet, but you would have the jobs for it.

Let's pretend SE implemented this. You get a reward when all jobs is 75, BUT you need to beat maat one last time on all jobs, and he gets a heart attack and dies when you see him after the last fight, then he says "Take this, you've earned it" and dies. It would be the final end of maat. And you could get a reward from that.

It would be like doing any quest, go get item and trade to NPC for a reward and all that.
You get fame, that could be a reward it self. But getting the gils is the real reward, as Maat cap +1 (or what ever reward you get) does when you "kill" maat.

[Sevv]

I admit my mistakes. I get carried on. I'm very sorry.

Np just relax here, think about what your idea. Then use most of the members ideas and knowledge to expand it, no one is out to get you here well usually.


To me, suggesting being able to do everything, is just too much above the limit passed unrealistic, and I was seeing what you wrote as Sarcasm, thats why I reacted how I did. I'm sorry for the missunderstanding. Seriously.
I got an idea for a reward....
You can merit everything,
Use every spell for pc's in the game,
Wield Any weapon,
Use any armor,
Use every WS,
Merit on any job,
Never have to exp another job to 75,

Yes it was some sarcasm, but its all completely true. The only way to be able to achieve all of those listings is every job at 75.


I would like to know pros and cons, how it could be made to work, and if it doesnt work at all, type why. That would to me be a satisfying answer.

Could a reward be added? Yes
Would the reward probably be a joke in most player's eyes? Yes
Would it make more people max out all jobs? No
Does S-E have more important things to do? Hell yes

S-E has alot more pressing matters to attend to, making sure the new expansion doesn't fail, finishing ToAU and adding a somewhat hard fight to the Story. The long awaited Bst "fix". Balancing out jobs, giving pup some dd gear, etc.

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As the first reply in my thread "It would be too overpowered." It actually makes other readers to post with the same view. It has a bad effect on the thread.


You got the whole over powered idea because you lead off with a third sub job, the majority of people posting with this idea were probably targeted at that point.

[robinkle]

Np just relax here, think about what your idea. Then use most of the members ideas and knowledge to expand it, no one is out to get you here well usually.




Yes it was some sarcasm, but its all completely true. The only way to be able to achieve all of those listings is every job at 75.



Could a reward be added? Yes
Would the reward probably be a joke in most player's eyes? Yes
Would it make more people max out all jobs? No
Does S-E have more important things to do? Hell yes

S-E has alot more pressing matters to attend to, making sure the new expansion doesn't fail, finishing ToAU and adding a somewhat hard fight to the Story. The long awaited Bst "fix". Balancing out jobs, giving pup some dd gear, etc.

Bigger picture > A lolnotime item




You got the whole over powered idea because you lead off with a third sub job, the majority of people posting with this idea were probably targeted at that point.

I'll give you a thanks for this.

And yes, SE would have alot more important things to. I wonder if I could come up with something that would make SE do as priority. But it might require something lol.

[Sevv]

It started off with people voicing opinions and slowly moved into the relm of flaming opinions. People attacked the OP because they think a reward for getting all jobs to 75 was 'not necesaary', and all the items I mentioned are things in game that aren't 'necessary' either.


This is agreed upon but it happens really, got out of hand.

And no, you can't 'purchase' the guild items, you have to get your Craft skill to a certain point to even gain access to those items. But as nice as they are, not one is in any way needed, just like an item from getting all jobs 75.


By purchasing i meant the items you trade in you can buy every single one of them, and not do the work. I craft lol. And some are needed in order to provide hqs.


Not once did he say a reward was needed, in fact he specifically said it wasn't needed. Yet people still flame and bait him by asking things like 'Why do you think a reward beyond Maat's Cap is necessary?' That's not the point of this topic nor was it ever the OPs intent to say it was. he asked if anyone thought those who leveled all jobs to 75 deserved a 'nice' reward then gave some suggestions and asked for feedback.

I c.
Not enaugh to have any huge effect on game balance I think.
the rewards I suggested is prolly a minor drop in the sea of what can be given as a reward. But something good I think is deserved ^^


What items that is needed or not, is up to each individual if the would like to have it or not.


As I see this you would be just as happy with no reward when all jobs is 75, cuz you arent gona do that yourself probably. am I right?


And there are many people who think it would be nice to get *something* small and showy for it who posted in this thread, so the idea isn't that bad. It's just his rewards were a bit much, which he admited and asked for others opinions.

Some people gave him ideas and still got shot back at.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Actually, he said several times that a reward was needed to encourage more people to do it.

You know, I think I could stop levelling jobs right now and be satisfied where I am, I just hate the idea of have taken BST and DRG so far only to leave them where they are, so those along with BLU are the only ones I'd ever bother with to 75 at this point. But I'm talking two different characters with three jobs per here.

People who end up levelling too many jobs have problems prioritizing merits and have a hard time keeping each job adequately capped at 75, which is all kinds of annoying. Would this incentive be worth that headache?

Nah, nothing would be.

[Sevv]

But it might require something lol.


That something is a hostile take over.

edit:

And if you wanted a real reward for all jobs at 75 very easy to put into the game as well as won't break the game?

Cap all Combat Bat skills. Offense only.

[Murphie]

You know, I think I could stop levelling jobs right now and be satisfied where I am, I just hate the idea of have taken BST and DRG so far only to leave them where they are, so those along with BLU are the only ones I'd ever bother with to 75 at this point. But I'm talking two different characters with three jobs per here.

People who end up levelling too many jobs have problems prioritizing merits and have a hard time keeping each job adequately capped at 75, which is all kinds of annoying. Would this incentive be worth that headache?

Nah, nothing would be.Agreed completely. It's hard enough to do really well at one job, much less 18.

[Hantz]

Despite the few 'only losers play that much' type posts, which is irony at it's finest, there were no flames.

Feel free to check my levels. They are current, and I stick by my robot idea, hypocrisy free.

[robinkle]

You know, I think I could stop levelling jobs right now and be satisfied where I am, I just hate the idea of have taken BST and DRG so far only to leave them where they are, so those along with BLU are the only ones I'd ever bother with to 75 at this point. But I'm talking two different characters with three jobs per here.

People who end up levelling too many jobs have problems prioritizing merits and have a hard time keeping each job adequately capped at 75, which is all kinds of annoying. Would this incentive be worth that headache?

Nah, nothing would be.

You might be one of those who wouldn't aim for a reward after taking all jobs to 75. and We need such players too. Or the reward wouldnt be any cool.

To look at it from a different view, everything has it's price. Overpowered reward might have changed your mind about leveling. But I agree to most people in the forum. Something realistic wouldnt make players expect you to have all the jobs done

This is for the those who are interested in leveling mostly or have played for enaugh years to even come as far as getting all jobs to 75.

[robinkle]

That something is a hostile take over.

edit:

And if you wanted a real reward for all jobs at 75 very easy to put into the game as well as won't break the game?

Cap all Combat Bat skills. Offense only.

Capped skills wont effect game at all which is good. And its a nice suggestion.

I think people have very different individual thoughts about a fair reward. I would like to hear more opinions of a great reward.
Personally capped skills wouldnt be a big reward, because most of your skills might have been capped allready. Even at with my 5th job to 75, I got parry skill 201. It would be nice to have it capped, but I think it will be when all my jobs is 75, and its hard to cap parry btw (in my experience).

My and other's realistic reward suggestions:
Maat's cap +1: All stats+8 (NQ version has all stats+7) and/or reduced duration on the teleport.

Maat's Aketon/jacket: Movement speed encreased.

Maat's clothes A set of gear with the looks of Maat's that would be like a relic set. By looking at the Salavage gear, maat's gear doesnt have to be as good.
I'm very unsure if it would be a too high reward or not, matters of the stats I guess. Still would be cool walking around looking like a younger Maat :P
edit: when thinking about it, a Maat armor set would be for all jobs, so other job specific gear might be a better choice after all. Decent gear and a symbol would be enaugh for Maat's Clothes. On top of that, it would be lvl 75 gear, so it's limited (cant use it in lvl capped fights and such).

[Evion]

How about... SE gives you a free subscription to FFXI from now on? I mean, they should realize that you paid them enough to waste your life away already!

[Sevv]

Capped skills wont effect game at all which is good. And its a nice suggestion.
I think people have very different individual thoughts about a fair reward. I would like to hear more opinions of a great reward.
Personally capped skills wouldnt be a big reward, because most of your skills might have been capped allready. Even at with my 5th job to 75, I got parry skill 201. It would be nice to have it capped, but I think it will be when all my jobs is 75, and its hard to cap parry btw (in my experience).

I was talking about being able to cap merits 8/8 for every weapon in the game. Because say your like me, i.e. 8 sword 8 axe 4 eva. All jobs w/o sword or axe as a main weapon will be "gimped" at 75.

Parry is not too bad, grab a 75 rdm that has phalanx II. Change to your nin, go to Boyhada Tree. Use damage taken -% use parry knifes, and proceed to get beat on by korrigans, 2-3 works great.




My and other's realistic reward suggestions:
Maat's cap +1: All stats+8 (NQ version has all stats+7) and/or reduced duration on the teleport.
Maat's Aketon/jacket: Movement speed encreased.
Maat's clothes A set of gear with the looks of Maat's that would be like a relic set. By looking at the Salavage gear, maat's gear doesnt have to be as good.
I'm very unsure if it would be a too high reward or not, matters of the stats I guess. Still would be cool walking around looking like a younger Maat :P
edit: when thinking about it, a Maat armor set would be for all jobs, so other job specific gear might be a better choice after all. Decent gear and a symbol would be enaugh for Maat's Clothes. On top of that, it would be lvl 75 gear, so it's limited (cant use it in lvl capped fights and such).


I'm Sorry but maat's gear just loses it "sense" when you add in blue mage, corsair, and puppetmaster.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

To make it short.
Yes, a reward for taking all jobs to 75, would encourage more players to get more addicted to the game. Its a good point.
I don't think adding a reward for this would make the game itself more addicting, especially not in a good way.

If you make a reward for leveling all jobs to 75, it encourages players to level and level and level, and that's it. The kind of players that can make it to 75 on every single job? Level junkies. I disagree with encouraging more players to become level junkies.

At least with the rewards for Rank 10 / ZM completion / CoP completion / etc, a player has to level a job to also accomplish those goals. It's not like the continuous grind to 75, where you can focus on just one aspect of the game and totally ignore a large part of the total experience available.

[robinkle]

How about... SE gives you a free subscription to FFXI from now on? I mean, they should realize that you paid them enough to waste your life away already!

This would fit right in a Thread about addiction/payment.
Honestly. This has nothing to do with this thread.

[robinkle]

I don't think adding a reward for this would make the game itself more addicting, especially not in a good way.

If you make a reward for leveling all jobs to 75, it encourages players to level and level and level, and that's it. The kind of players that can make it to 75 on every single job? Level junkies. I disagree with encouraging more players to become level junkies.

At least with the rewards for Rank 10 / ZM completion / CoP completion / etc, a player has to level a job to also accomplish those goals. It's not like the continuous grind to 75, where you can focus on just one aspect of the game and totally ignore a large part of the total experience available.

To prevent getting more level junkies in the game, how would the reward be?

[Evion]

This would fit right in a Thread about addiction/payment.
Honestly. This has nothing to do with this thread.

WTF? You don't make any sense. Firstly, your first post said "Any Thoughts?", not, "please post something close to what I'm asking so that I can act like a tool and flame you". Secondly, half this thread is suggestions of what would be cool if you level all jobs to 75, did you flame all of them?

[Taskmage]

I can't believe this thread is ten pages long. -.-; Lemme hear an "aye" if you think everything there is to say on this topic has been said already and it should be locked to prevent more flaming, or a "nay" if you think the possibility for some reasonable discourse on this idea still exists.

[Sevv]

WTF? You don't make any sense. Firstly, your first post said "Any Thoughts?", not, "please post something close to what I'm asking so that I can act like a tool and flame you". Secondly, half this thread is suggestions of what would be cool if you level all jobs to 75, did you flame all of them?


lol 95% of this thread is flame approved

...even tho I thought we just went over leave the flames behind

i liked your idea tho, but s-e likes it money

[Evion]

Even though a thread open to posts of "it would be cool if..." would be cool, I think this one is toast, so AYE!!!

[Sevv]

I can't believe this thread is ten pages long. -.-; Lemme hear an "aye" if you think everything there is to say on this topic has been said already and it should be locked to prevent more flaming, or a "nay" if you think the possibility for some reasonable discourse on this idea still exists.


We had the issue solved for like an hour or so if it makes you proud taskmage...

[Taskmage]

We had the issue solved for like an hour or so if it makes you proud taskmage...Eh, you say that but it looked like the cycle might start again with Evion, and you know someone new would come in and stir crap up. I don't really like locking threads or I'd have done it without asking, I just thought people might prefer if I did.

[Aeni]

Personally I'm of the opinion that the greatest reward of having all jobs at 75 is having all jobs at 75. But that's just me.

I agree. Maybe if people want such a reward, it would be HUMOROUS. Like ...

Maat's Cap of LOL
Level 1
Rare/Ex

-50 CHR

Inscription: "We at S-E don't condone such unhealthy lifestyles."

[robinkle]

WTF? You don't make any sense. Firstly, your first post said "Any Thoughts?", not, "please post something close to what I'm asking so that I can act like a tool and flame you". Secondly, half this thread is suggestions of what would be cool if you level all jobs to 75, did you flame all of them?

I'm sorry about not being clear enaugh.

When I say, any thoughts?. I ment related to the topic.

[Mhurron]

I can't believe this thread is ten pages long. -.-; Lemme hear an "aye" if you think everything there is to say on this topic has been said already and it should be locked to prevent more flaming, or a "nay" if you think the possibility for some reasonable discourse on this idea still exists. Well personally, I believe any actual discussion ended 5 pages ago, so I'm squarely in the 'ok lock it' camp.

[Murphie]

I can't believe this thread is ten pages long. -.-; Lemme hear an "aye" if you think everything there is to say on this topic has been said already and it should be locked to prevent more flaming, or a "nay" if you think the possibility for some reasonable discourse on this idea still exists.Aye. Close prz.

[robinkle]

I can't believe this thread is ten pages long. -.-; Lemme hear an "aye" if you think everything there is to say on this topic has been said already and it should be locked to prevent more flaming, or a "nay" if you think the possibility for some reasonable discourse on this idea still exists.

Aye. (the same as all the flamers want)

[Sevv]

Eh, you say that but it looked like the cycle might start again with Evion, and you know someone new would come in and stir crap up. I don't really like locking threads or I'd have done it without asking, I just thought people might prefer if I did.


the key word was HAD, and the cycle started again


/vote Lock please =/