Reobtaining DM earring - How?

[Taskmage]

Has anyone actually done this yet? I had assumed that you would repeat DM and then recieve the reward as normal, but my friend who's trying to do it is pulling his hair out because first the questgiver apparently sent him to visit the fountain again at the full moon (it was new moon at the time), then when he got there it asked him for a light ore. There are none in stock on the AH and the ones that are being bazaared are price jacked up to 1M gil. On top of that, he says the people he's talked to who actually turned in the light ore still didn't get their earring, but a key item to repeat DM again. Wtf? How many steps does it take for him to get his earring back? ><

[Sevv]

<= happy it's not extremely easy

[Callisto]

Has anyone actually done this yet? I had assumed that you would repeat DM and then recieve the reward as normal, but my friend who's trying to do it is pulling his hair out because first the questgiver apparently sent him to visit the fountain again at the full moon (it was new moon at the time), then when he got there it asked him for a light ore. There are none in stock on the AH and the ones that are being bazaared are price jacked up to 1M gil. On top of that, he says the people he's talked to who actually turned in the light ore still didn't get their earring, but a key item to repeat DM again. Wtf? How many steps does it take for him to get his earring back? ><

Yes, you have to do a quest for the opportunity to get a different earring, they don't just hand you one. After the light ore quest, you do still have to do DM all over in order to get a new earring.

[Taskmage]

So you do definately have to do DM again twice if you want to change your earring? That's stupid. Repeating the fight was a given. Asking for a light ore so people aren't changing their earring every conquest week is understandable. But then repeating DM again is unnecessary BS.

In contrast I hear to change your CoP ring all you have to do is toss it and talk to the guy again.

[Malacite]

And here I was hoping to swap to Suppa whenever I got tired of Bushi...
Thank you (and F-You) SE for this BS. Why didn't they just do the same thing they did with Rajas/Tamas/Satva? Go to sky, see Yve'noille and then get your earring and half to wait like say 1-2 months before you can do it again.
Ugh it's times like this I want to just shoot everyone @ SE -. -
Doing DM once was enough. Quit the BS. Why not just make us do all of CoP all over again for the rings instead of just going to the tavern while you're @ it SE?

:angry:

[Gobo]

I'm guessing they thought it would be an equal exchange. While its not, can't hurt to compare to the rest.

CoP Ring: Drop ring, go to bridge, re-pick, wait 27 days, able to do again.

AN earring: Drop earring, erase Shadows of the Departed and Apocalypse Nigh from quest list, repeat both quests (takes 2 days), wait another day to get earring. Repeat every conquest week if desired (I don't even want to have to do Shadows a second time, plus I love my magnetic earring, yes I do, you're so cuddly and...erm sorry)

DM earring: Drop earring, get lectured by Yu'vlone, trade Light ore to fountain on full moon, trade new item to Yu'vlone, repeat BC, get new earring, redo every conquest as desired.

So yeah, CoP rings got it out easy, but getting an AN earring back isn't any easier than DM. Yeah it was dumb that S-E made it require Light ore (which will sky rocket in price for a while), but that much can be done solo. You need at least a party of people willing to run back through the first 3 promies with you for Shadows, not to mention redoing AN, which is harder than DM. So yeah, its expensive, but at least its easy.

[LoneGamer]

I think you have the order on the CoP ring wrong. I believe it's drop ring, wait 27 days, go to bridge, re-pick.

[Gobo]

I think you have the order on the CoP ring wrong. I believe it's drop ring, wait 27 days, go to bridge, re-pick.

No, people in my LS changed rings last night. There is no waiting until after first change.

[Taskmage]

DM earring: Drop earring, get lectured by Yu'vlone, trade Light ore to fountain on full moon, trade new item to Yu'vlone, repeat BC, get new earring, redo every conquest as desired.Ok, I'm only seeing "repeat BC" one time in this. Are you sure? My friend didn't get the instruction to visit the fountain at full moon until after he'd already been given the DM quest again and recompleted it.

If it is the way you say, then that's less retarded, but still a major issue that the "version two" quest isn't being given until after take two of the version one quest.

[Karinya]

<= happy it's not extremely easy

The fight itself would have qualified it as "not extremely easy". Anything that requires a full alliance of 70+, who will probably all die unless most of them are BLM, isn't extremely easy. Getting 100 merit points is extremely easy (though fairly time consuming); winning Divine Might is not.

[Gobo]

Ok, I'm only seeing "repeat BC" one time in this. Are you sure? My friend didn't get the instruction to visit the fountain at full moon until after he'd already been given the DM quest again and recompleted it.
If it is the way you say, then that's less retarded, but still a major issue that the "version two" quest isn't being given until after take two of the version one quest.

Well, there are no restrictions for reentering the BC after you complete it. Did your friend toss his earring, then get chewed-out by Yu'vlone or did he do something else. From what I heard from LS members, most of them spammed through the new CS and didn't read that they had to visit the fountain first and just ran straight to La'loff. Looking through the .dats, its one CS where she explains what do to. She explains again if you go back after that CS.

[Malacite]

I still don't think it was neccesary to make us repeat either quests. It's just more of SE's patented Grade-A screw-the-fanbase BS.

[Feba]

Right, how about you NOT FREAKING TOSS OUT YOUR EARRINGS ANYWAY? You're supposed to be careful with them, you should be GRATEFUL that SE is allowing you to recover them.

[Ewan]

you have to drop the earring to get the CS feba

[Feba]

Uhhuh, that's my point, don't freaking drop it and you won't have a freaking problem. It's your own damn fault, and like I said, you should be grateful that SE would let you redo it.

[Aeolus]

Light Ore 900k
Light Staff 70k
Apollo's Staff 900k

lol

[Kirsteena]

You know, this makes me very glad I am happy with my DM earring choice (suppa), happy with my CoP Ring choice (tamas), and haven't actually done AN yet (trying to organise soon)

[Murphie]

I dun have any of them. :/

[Taskmage]

Right, how about you NOT FREAKING TOSS OUT YOUR EARRINGS ANYWAY? You're supposed to be careful with them, you should be GRATEFUL that SE is allowing you to recover them.He got Abyssal for his blm way back in the day, which was his only 75. Now he's got nin and rng and blu at 75, and wanted a Suppa for those jobs instead. It's not like he "oh dur, dropped mah suppa" and wants to get it back.

[Feba]

Again, that's my point, if you don't toss out your earrings, you have no problem, if you do, it's your own fault. If you can't pick the right earring the first time, and you throw it out, it's your own problem. Like I said, SE for the past couple years hasn't let you get them back, I imagine there's a good number of people who have quit because of some late night inventory mishap, you should be happy they finally changed their minds on it.

[Sevv]

Dm is very easy lol, you don't need lots of blms to win this. 12/14 on DM now I went 1/1. Tho i think you should have to fight Promethia again atleast for cop ring.

[Ewan]

Again, that's my point, if you don't toss out your earrings, you have no problem, if you do, it's your own fault. If you can't pick the right earring the first time, and you throw it out, it's your own problem. Like I said, SE for the past couple years hasn't let you get them back, I imagine there's a good number of people who have quit because of some late night inventory mishap, you should be happy they finally changed their minds on it.


But Feba, you can't change them unless you drop them. The quest will not activate. You are creating a conundrum of emotion vs. reality.

[Icemage]

Uhhuh, that's my point, don't freaking drop it and you won't have a freaking problem. It's your own damn fault, and like I said, you should be grateful that SE would let you redo it.
Feba, please understand me when I say this. I like you, and think you've a fantastic poster, but until you've completed Divine Might, you really have no idea what a tremendous pain in the ass it is to do unless you're in a full BLM alliance or have a VERY experienced high level LS. :)

That said, a lot of us picked our earrings a long time ago, long before anyone knew what any of the stats on the earrings really did (I have an Abyssal Earring, for instance), and while I don't mind redoing the quest, it's certainly going to be ... hmm... challenging.


Icemage

[LyonheartLakshmi]

And here I was hoping to swap to Suppa whenever I got tired of Bushi...
Thank you (and F-You) SE for this BS. Why didn't they just do the same thing they did with Rajas/Tamas/Satva? Go to sky, see Yve'noille and then get your earring and half to wait like say 1-2 months before you can do it again.
Ugh it's times like this I want to just shoot everyone @ SE -. -
Doing DM once was enough. Quit the BS. Why not just make us do all of CoP all over again for the rings instead of just going to the tavern while you're @ it SE?

:angry:

I still don't think it was neccesary to make us repeat either quests. It's just more of SE's patented Grade-A screw-the-fanbase BS.
I think you need to take a break from FFXI. Or from these forums. Or both. That's way too much anger over an improvement to the game. And lets face it, it is an improvement. Even if you would have done things a different way had you been in charge of this update, this is something you had absolutely no way of doing before.

[Karinya]

Again, that's my point, if you don't toss out your earrings, you have no problem, if you do, it's your own fault. If you can't pick the right earring the first time, and you throw it out, it's your own problem.
How dare he not pick the right earring for his BLU when he did the quest in 2004!

Heck, when I first did it, I hadn't leveled PLD at all, so there's no way I could pick the right earring for it. (Actually, I'm not sure which *is* the right earring for it; ordinarily I'd say that shield skill is much more valuable than sword skill, but there's also a lot more items that give it, while there are very few other options for more sword skill.)

Are you reading these posts at all before you throw them at the internets?
Like I said, SE for the past couple years hasn't let you get them back, I imagine there's a good number of people who have quit because of some late night inventory mishap, you should be happy they finally changed their minds on it.
There's no doubt that it's an improvement, but your attitude is unnecessarily hostile. People sometimes change jobs, not just for a day, but on a more permanent basis, and what earring/ring is best for them changes along with those things. And they're not necessarily changes you can anticipate, especially when new jobs or changes to the battle system are involved. There's a big difference between +5 shield skill now and +5 shield skill 3 years ago. Potentially there could be just as big a difference between enhanced DW now and enhanced DW in a year when/if /NIN is finally balanced.

[Malacite]

There's no doubt that it's an improvement, but your attitude is unnecessarily hostile. People sometimes change jobs, not just for a day, but on a more permanent basis, and what earring/ring is best for them changes along with those things. And they're not necessarily changes you can anticipate, especially when new jobs or changes to the battle system are involved. There's a big difference between +5 shield skill now and +5 shield skill 3 years ago. Potentially there could be just as big a difference between enhanced DW now and enhanced DW in a year when/if /NIN is finally balanced.



My point exactly. I chose Bushi because I want to see just how much I can trick out my SAM. However, lately I'm finding there are other jobs I'd like take to 75 as well, and it'd be nice to try them out with their respective earrings.

At least in the mean time I get +2 STR out of it for any other melee jobs. However, if say I wanted to be DRK, then Abyssal would be very much needed. +2 INT and +5 Scythe Skill is nuts, and beats the hell out of +2 STR.

While I do love a challenge, DM just isn't fun. Getting 18 skilled people (not to mention all the meds and crap) to do it is just as frustrating, if not more so than the actual fight. And now we have to get light ore on top of that? ......

[Feba]

you really have no idea what a tremendous pain in the ass it is to do unless you're in a full BLM alliance or have a VERY experienced high level LS.

And your point? It's meant to be a pain in the ass. My point is: Stop complaining about it being hard, and be happy that you can replace it at all. Really, bitching about this is like being brought back to life with a defibrillator and then bitching that you need to have surgery.

[Icemage]

And your point? It's meant to be a pain in the ass. My point is: Stop complaining about it being hard, and be happy that you can replace it at all. Really, bitching about this is like being brought back to life with a defibrillator and then bitching that you need to have surgery.
I agree in principle. The fact that we can choose again, however annoying the process might be, is a plus no matter how you look at it.

That said, it's NOT right to criticize people for choices they made years ago. People change, play styles change, and understanding changes over time. I'm probably going to get around to changing my earring one of these days to Suppanomimi because I never use my Abyssal; are you going to criticize me when I choose to drop my Abyssal because I made the choice way back when my only job over 70 was White Mage?


Icemage

[Ewan]

Uhhuh, that's my point, don't freaking drop it and you won't have a freaking problem. It's your own damn fault, and like I said, you should be grateful that SE would let you redo it.

but that's a matter of opinion and emotion, not an actual part of the quest. there are experience points, there are limit points, there are not greatefulness points.

[Feba]

I'm not criticizing people for their choices, it's the bitching over a huge improvement that pisses me off.

[KoukiRyu]

Why is everyone saying DM is hard? <_>

I did it with a pick-up group of 18 one night when I saw a shout going off. I went on MNK, we had 6 BLM, and the rest was something like, 3 tanks, 3 WHM, 2 refresh and 4 melee. We...beat it extremely easily, with no deaths, and it was lots of fun. x_x;

Did I just get lucky with my pick-up group? Cause I've only done it this once and it was so easy that I was actually suprised.

I'm extremly happy I picked my Suppa...even though I was 75MNK when I finished the mission. To be honest, it seems to me one of the best earrings you can pick out of the group. Unless you are -main- SAM or -main- DRK, Bushi/Abbysal are out of the question, because STR+2 and INT+2 can be found other places. The +skill is obviously only for SAM/DRK, although can be argued for other jobs as well I suppose. But even then, those can be found in other places.

My reasoning for picking Suppa first was because I planned on taking -any- dual wield/sword-using job to 75. I think it'd just end up being more useful, although I can understand why some people would choose the others if they hadn't planned on it yet.

[IfritnoItazura]

Wow. I'm in near complete agreement with Feba's ideas (if not his exact language). The hostility toward S-E from certain players over this is hard to understand.

S-E just gave the players a second chance at some very nifty items. Be glad, and know that they could've made the second chance much much harsher than the first, like most second chances in life.

Peace. ^_^v

Aside: I've had some successes with growing Tree Cuttings into Tree Saplings; guess it time to plant some Tree Saplings, eh?

[Aeolus]

I would reccomend growing them quick, they are already dropping back down. This player on my server has sold 20 of them for 900k-1m in the last 2days. Wish I had seen this coming like him :/

[LyonheartLakshmi]

I would reccomend growing them quick, they are already dropping back down. This player on my server has sold 20 of them for 900k-1m in the last 2days. Wish I had seen this coming like him :/
Grow them quick? If you know of a way to grow elemental ores consistently in significantly less than 3 weeks time, I think you'll make a killing regardless of any market fluctuations due to the DM earring issue. :P

[Aeolus]

Starting today instead of in 3 days could make you an extra million seens as they are dropping in price.

[Taskmage]

To draw a crude parallel, just because a woman will have amazing sex with you doesn't mean you can't be overcharged for it. Perhaps more appropriately, you can be in a meripo pulling 15k and hour but that doesn't make you wrong for being upset that your rdm is a total freeloader. Yes, I agree that this new feature as a whole is a great thing and overall we should definately be happy for it, but that doesn't mean we should take blanket pleasure in every aspect of it.

I don't know what led to my friend and the other 17 people he did this with to believe that they would have to do DM twice when apparently the first fight they did was for nothing. I haven't done this so I don't know if there was some inclarity in the cutscenes or if there's some problem with quest priority a la Chocobo On The Loose/Chocobo License but if there is then that needs to get fixed.

The light ore thing I understand to put a valve on how often people can do this and give them some sort of sacrifice to consider, but the price gouging thing blows. Yes, I realize this is a temporary thing since the light ore market wasn't ready and there's a huge burst of people wanting to use this new option that will die down before too long. In a month, hundreds of crops of light ore are going to hit the market, take care of most if not all of the first wave of DM-traders, and things will stabilize. That doesn't make it not suck now though, and the people who are being affected by it are not wrong to complain.

[tdh]

Early adopters always pay the price, and this should not be a surprise. If you have an earring you don't already use, then waiting doesn't hurt you. Wait until you know EXACTLY what is involved with the new quest, and do it when you're not blind-sided by some aspect of the quest. In this case the price ore that went up because now it's in demand and people will pay out the nose to get one. Anybody else remember the price of Poison Potions back when Diabolos was released? 80~110k a stack for something that used to be 10k. There's always something. Something comes up, something is needed by everybody, people will profit. I don't condone behavior of price gouging, but why is it a surprise?

Swapping out the earring should be an arduous, if not an annoying process. Give the user base a way to change the earring, but don't make it so they can do it in 30 minutes once a week. Why even attempt this until complete guides have been mined outta .dats or written up by player experiences? But people want something to complain about, and here we are.

One thing I thought this was going to bring about, was people who could never get a DM group together would finally be able to get theirs done. But I guess unless you're a BLM, you still can't do DM. Several /shouts in the past week for "BLM ONRY DM" fights. So, if they want to exclude 17 other jobs, then they can pay that Light Ore price and get no sympathy from me. Never mind most of the people off to change their earring can afford the ore anyway. *shrug*