Umlocking Sapara of Trials faster

[hongman]

So I have gotten my Sapara of Trials sword and need WS Points.

But as RDM, the native WS's we get access to are rather crap and I am finding it hard to close any decent Lvl 2 SC's for more points. All I can do are close a few Lvl1's...

So, since I am fighting EP/DC mobs anyway...would it be faster for me to sub a gimped /23WAR?

Im not worried about damaged etc, but would subbing WAR allow me to use more WS's, thus giving more of a chance to be able to close a Lvl2 SC?

Its shameful that at 75 I still dont really understand how SC's are forumlated ><

[Srxjo]

i did mine in the Eldieme Necropolis on bones at the bottom they were EP sometimes DC i subed /BLU for extra DEF and used Fast Blade to keep them alive longer i soloed from 0 ->250 points then my frined helped me finish with my dagger i solo it from 0 -> 300 with the Joyeuse in the off hand the TP flys in, so goodluck and hope you break it soon

[Saren]

Still a bit novice at the skillchain thing too but if I am reading my chart right, subbing pld, war or drk would give you red lotus blade, Seraph Blade and Vorpal Blade if you have over 200 skill.

Vorpal blade can close a distortion with it's primary aspect (it has an impaction secondary aspect but I can't see a way of getting the impaction secondary aspect to activate to let you close a fusion, you would just get a scission)

Edit: Just checked wiki to make sure, you can get Vorpal blade subbing blu too.

[Srxjo]

forgot to add the sword can not make light without Savage Blade and Saren /BLU also five you those WS to your best bet is to make lvl2 SC for 3 points or just solo them

[IfritnoItazura]

If MP won't be an issue, /WAR gives you Double Attack as well, to speed up TP gain a bit. Add sushi to that, then you shouldn't too bad at getting TP.

If MP may be of some concern, go with /PLD for auto-refresh. All depends on who you are breaking the latent with and which monsters you're fighting, I guess.

[LoneGamer]

Just like with Dagger, all we can do is close 100 level 2s. Grab a buddy (or NPC) and go for it.

[Mhurron]

I did RDM/BLM doing 2 birds right outside Nashmau. Did 40 points in a skillup party but the rest was all soloed. It didn't really take that long.

[hongman]

it feels like iv WS'ed a gazillion times... still nothing lol

[Feenicks]

I had to do the same with Staff of Trials, you can only make a Lv2 skillchain with it, no matter what job you are. I did it over three sessions.

[Srxjo]

with a Joyeuse offhanded i was able to solo 200 points in 6 hours with my dagger, never had the chanse to try it with the sword as i never had the joyeuse then

[Sabaron]

I unlocked it whenever I was doing something... Amongst my other projects, it ended up taking 6 weeks since I haven't been RDMing for melee purposes all that much and I don't like grinding solo on WS points at 1 point per WS....

My MNK friend helped me break it down most of the way using "Spinning Strike" > "Flat Blade".

[hongman]

Well Iv been doing a lot of things amongst soloing WS points....

Helping farm 2 Test's, Camping 4 NM's, Skill Up Pt's, grabbed a LS buddy or 2 for a few hours to WS with me....

Still have the latent :/ I have got to be close lol.

I dont have Joytoy so thats out, best I can do is offhand Hornetneedle and Haste. I wish SE made an NPC that could tell you even a "rough" guide of how far along you are.

[Grizzlebeard]

it feels like iv WS'ed a gazillion times... still nothing lol

Don't mean to be funny here but you have unequipped it and re-equipped it to check right? So many people have broken the latent and went on to hammer out another 100 WS points without realising.

I know it's a long shot, but if you have a good friend who is in possession of a kraken it'll help out amazingly if you're solo grinding WS points. I had a kraken for my dagger latent and it seemed to take half the time it took me for my katana one.

[hongman]

Funny you say that....actually I havent (not recently anyway) - It said on Wiki that the elemental resistences woukd disappear without unequipping the weapon.

I dont think anyone I know has a kraken, although I'll make a point to ask tonight lol.

[Grizzlebeard]

It said on Wiki that the elemental resistences woukd disappear without unequipping the weapon.

It's been over a year now but I'm pretty sure that's incorrect unless there's been a change since last April.

[Mhurron]

Why didn't you keep a tally?

[hongman]

Why didn't you keep a tally?

I wish I did now tbh - just didnt even cross my mind at the time :/

I will def do a tally for Dagger.

I'll try unequip tonight....although if I have already broken the latent, Id still be more happy than pissed :p

What kinda damage you other RDM's getting from Savage Blade (and on what mobs)

[Mhurron]

What kinda damage you other RDM's getting from Savage Blade (and on what mobs)
Usually, not much, but it's still a little more then Spirits Within. Looks so much better too.

Sometimes (http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2923/ff11online1hg1.jpg) though ...

[hongman]

Niiiice :)

[Sabaron]

It's been over a year now but I'm pretty sure that's incorrect unless there's been a change since last April.

I just unlocked this in a skill up party yesterday. The instant the monster that caused the latent break died, the resistances dropped back to their normal levels. I did not have to perpetually cancel my TP by swapping the weapon out.

[hongman]

Thats why Iv not done this, as I feel bad for cancelling that hard earnt TP :p

I NEED A KCLUB!

[Srxjo]

you do not need to unequip the weapon as i helped my friend last week and he was able to tell me it was broke while still wearing, same goes for my dagger the HP and ele res disappers without unequiping i have done 1.2k with savage blade a really big fluke i say it was it was on a ToAU mission NM out in the mire and along with him a snake woman thing (sorry forgot name)

[Draconi]

So I have gotten my Sapara of Trials sword and need WS Points.

But as RDM, the native WS's we get access to are rather crap and I am finding it hard to close any decent Lvl 2 SC's for more points. All I can do are close a few Lvl1's...

So, since I am fighting EP/DC mobs anyway...would it be faster for me to sub a gimped /23WAR?

Im not worried about damaged etc, but would subbing WAR allow me to use more WS's, thus giving more of a chance to be able to close a Lvl2 SC?

Its shameful that at 75 I still dont really understand how SC's are forumlated ><


You don't benefit much by subbing WAR for Vorpal Blade, Red Lotus Blade or Seraph Blade, since none of them can do Level 3 skill chains. You can already do level 2 skill chains without WAR sub (ie. use Flat Blade for Fusion, Fast Blade for Distortion, or Circle Blade for Fragmentation). The only way you can use sword in a level 3 skill chain before getting Savage Blade, is to use Swift Blade, which requires PLD as your main job. So focus on doing level 2's with the WS's you already have. I suggest going to The Boyahda Tree and joining a skill-up party. It took me 3 trips to the Tree to break latent. Just let them know what you're doing, and get someone to open the SC for you.

[Draconi]

What kinda damage you other RDM's getting from Savage Blade (and on what mobs)

Typically 700-900. With Savage Blade. You can one-hit kill Goobues in Rolanberry and Bogys in the Dunes, and can almost one-hit Tabar Beaks in Sauromogue (probably could with food). My best Savage Blade damage was 2064 on the Boreal Hound.

[Omni]

i just broke my latent on knuckles of trials and you do not need to unequip for the resistances to go away. i was checking after every skill chain because i knew i was close.

since you are rdm, you wont be able to do any lv. 3 renkeis. you'll have to live with lv. 2 renkeis and you can close fusion and distortion pretty easily. it doesnt matter how much dmg is done just as long as you get the points.

you can also close fragmentation with circle blade but depending on your camp and surrounding mobs.

[Malacite]

Swift Blade, which requires PLD as your main job.


I could have sworn BLU could also use that WS... but according to wiki it really is PLD onry. Weird.

[Mhurron]

I would just like to say that I am impressed. A month without anyone mentioning the spelling mistake in the thread title.

[Omni]

swift blade is pld only.

[hongman]

Well... um, unlocked it :p Ages ago it seems.

Not so excited now the hype is over lol.

Dagger very soon.