What's the best sub???

[Intervention]

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[Eohmer]

Basically... the most commong sub for RNG is /NIN... but you can do more damage subbing /WAR at higher lvls...

So yeah, either /NIN or /WAR are the 2 most common.

[Jei]

not best but easy.
http://www.backofthebox.com/recipes/sandwiches/quick-&-easy-sub-sandwich-g.html

... ok well, what Eohmer said. Nin is safer and friendlier for both yourself and yourgroup, so I'd recommend you start from /nin first.

[Eohmer]

not best but easy.
http://www.backofthebox.com/recipes/sandwiches/quick-&-easy-sub-sandwich-g.html


http://www.backofthebox.com/recipes/images/quick-&-easy-sub-sandwich.jpg

Damn that looked yummy!

[Lunaryn]

Prior to level 28, it's difficult to say what would likely work best. There's not a lot of differentiation of subjobs at lower levels. Anyone know offhand if any /MNK offerings affect ranged attack? I went with /WAR myself, it's a good default when a clear choice doesn't present itself.

At level 28, Archer's Knife becomes available, which makes a big difference to your Ranged Accuracy. This is the point where everyone goes /NIN and dual-wields Archer's (from 30 you can wield 2x Hawker's for a bit more as well).

From there, experiment a bit. You'll really want all that RAcc at first (yay actually making a ranged WS w/o Sharpshot :p ) but at higher levels the need will diminish, and you will want to consider moving back to /WAR to optimize damage.

[Hilde]

hmmm...when might a good point to shift to /WAR be a viable option.

[Tokitoki]

/WAR is strong, but without a good tank the extra damage will make you hold back more than deal more damage.

If you know your tank, and you know they can keep hate through an elephant stampede, then you can try /WAR. Pick-up PTs are shoddy on hate usually.

[na2tt300zx]

chicken cutlet with lettuce tomato onion and a bit of mayo on a hero.....yum

[IfritnoItazura]

If you're not getting swiped at while on RNG/NIN, then you're not doing enough damage--switch to /WAR. If you're getting hit badly while on RNG/WAR, hold back a bit, or switch to /NIN.

If you are moving the monster around too much and screwing up SA, TA, or SATA, then you're mess up the party--do less damage. If the critters are casting mega-ga spells on you and you're hiding behind the WHM, don't. >_>; (Read: "Please do not MPK the mages--stand elsewhere.")

If you're not a great puller (e.g. like me) but is asked to pull, then just stay on /NIN and heck with it; dying on pull because you snagged your shoelace on a rock is darn embarrassing.

[Omni]

/sam is a great sub. not many ppl utilize it.

it still provides some defensive capabilities like nin does, and also gives you some added dd attributes too with meditate and store-tp.

/nin is terribly weak when it comes to DD and probably best for pulling during xp.

/war is a power house however, you're left to your cloth armor to defend yourself.
in merits, i use /war or /sam. i hardly use /nin anymore. for hnm/sky/sea i use mainly /sam.

hmmm...when might a good point to shift to /WAR be a viable option.

like toki said, when u know how ur tank performs. also, in merits since mobs die so quickly, any decently equipped rng can be able to take anywhere from 30-60% of a mobs life. or anything you try to zerg.

[Cometgreen]

I started using /WAR at 35, when I could equip the next line of racc rings and Drone earrings, because my main concern was my accuracy. So long as I had sushi, I never had a problem hitting, so I went /WAR after 35 whenever the opportunity presented itself.

[Yellow Mage]

/NIN, /WHM, /WAR, or /SAM.

Now, time to read the post!

[Malacite]

There is no "best" over all sub. Each sub has it's place;

NIN: Safer pulling and you can afford to pull more hate than you would with other subs. High accuracy from dual-wielding ranged accuracy knives, but at the cost of lower attack power. Eat ranged attack food for this sub and not sushi. Viable from levels 24+

WAR: The bread and butter DD sub. Unless your tank sucks, you should be just fine with /WAR in EXP. The trick is in pacing yourself. For example, if the mob is at 20% life or less, it's quite likely that berserk + barrage + sharphot (for accuracy on the barrage) will kill it, especially if you're using bow or gun. As long as you don't get all Rambo you'll be fine. Either eat attack food to really pile on the damage (not recommended unless you know what you're doing and can land shots just fine) or stick to sushi and let berserk compensate. Viable from levels 30+

SAM: SAM sub is kinda tricky. It's not a good idea before level 60. From 60+ however, you can use a Fire/Vulcan's staff for STR and ranged attack boost and to trigger Hasso and Seigan along with Meditate. Not sure what food is optimal so I'd decide based on mob evasion >. >

[IfritnoItazura]

Without Trick Attack on the tank, I've never seen any NIN tank managed to keep well setup RNG/NIN's from getting hit by bird type monsters, and even PLD/WAR's had trouble.

RNG/WAR's may not be appropriate for Colibri or even Crawler parties without THF or someone else for TA... Those mobs are just too squishy for RNG's. Either that, or every Ranger in PUG I came across were wanton DD's with complete disregard for party efficiency and their own safety...

Of course, I'm no RNG, so listen to others first...

[VZX]

On merit PT:
No tank can hold your shot if you do RNG/WAR red curry and berserk

/NIN most of the time is the best for me. While I stole the hate, I still can fire off 1-2 shots + 1 melee round and it works very well on merit PT when mobs down in 30 seconds. If you're only depends on shooting, you can only get to WS twice~3 times per mob. While with RNG/NIN you can average closer to 1 WS/fight

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Once thing I'd like the throw in about /WAR is that there are a lot of people that will tell you its a sub for 70+ only.

That's not true. 70+ is more of a turning point for your gear than your subjobs. At 70 RNG gains its final Accuracy Bonus trait and can shed a good amount of accuracy gear in favor or STR and Ranged Attack gear. You can honestly start subbing /WAR viably at 30 and use it often all the way to 75.

As others have said, /WAR is really about knowing how well your tank is doing. If you have a tank that can't keep hate, then you're gonna find yourself holding back a lot. But if you have a good tank, then you'll know exactly when you can zerg and make the kill happen.

[Tokitoki]

Seigan is level 35, 70 RNG so you can't use it at 60. Yay misinformation!~

[Ahmon]

No one seems to be mentioning /cor as a decent sub. At lower levels (After 22 obviously for Hunter's Roll) I would think that the accuracy boost of up to 55 would be a big help for fighting IT mobs and taking some strain off of your need to buy racc gear and maybe use it for a little more str gear. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

[Spider-Dan]

You're wrong.

Rolls as /COR, while still benefiting from the bonus of having the correct job in party (i.e. you as RNG for Hunter's), still suffer a penalty; they will be at approximately half the strength of a COR main's roll.

The exact formula is:

corLVL / targetLVL x bonus total

with corLVL in this case being your SJ level.

That being said, /COR is a fantastic SJ for low-level DDs (particularly in the 20s).

[Ahmon]

Even at half the racc you are still getting +27 and that seems like a pretty big bonus to me, personally.