Exact returns on PUP/RNG/BLU/MNK/WAR/THF/DRG rolls?!?

[Spider-Dan]

So I'm browsing FFXIclopedia and I come across Puppet Roll. Somehow, it has exact values for each total...?

I look through all the rolls and find the following:

Puppet Roll (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Puppet_Roll)
Hunter's Roll (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Hunter%27s_Roll)
Magus Roll (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Magus%27s_Roll)
Monk's Roll (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Monk%27s_Roll)
Fighter's Roll (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Fighter%27s_Roll)
Rogue's Roll (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Rogue%27s_Roll)
Drachen Roll (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Drachen_Roll)

All were entered by a user named "Dyvid". Did he just invent these totals out of whole cloth, or what? I have seen no such data to corroborate them, and for a few rolls (Puppet, Drachen in particular) I don't see how that could even be possible.

[Omni]

That is pretty strange... I wouldnt know how you can guage pet accuracy... I say dispute it!

I guess he could take samples of his pet attacking a mob w/ no rolls. then samples of it with X number rolls and look at the % increase there... and correlate it to an actual +X acc. However, I'm not sure if its possible to know how much +X acc would with a given % inc.

Anyhow, all the numbers seem like it would take A LOT of tedious testing which for seom reason I find that a bit unbelievable.

[Akashimo]

Rouge's roll, Fighters and Monks seemed, from my experiance with cors to be close to the values listed on the page. As for the rest, I don't know. But I'll try to post anything I notice in the future. Cors are more rare than bards on this server >_>;; Only seen like 15 at 60-75 since the job came out....

[Omni]

Rouge's roll, Fighters and Monks seemed, from my experiance with cors to be close to the values listed on the page. As for the rest, I don't know. But I'll try to post anything I notice in the future. Cors are more rare than bards on this server >_>;; Only seen like 15 at 60-75 since the job came out....

i can see if you parse and crit % might be something you can figure out pretty easily but do you also make notice of the rolls you get during a xp pt? and for subtle blow how do you determine that?

i think what spider-dan was saying is that there is no concrete evidence to these numbers so listing them as 'oh i think this is what it is because it feels like this' is wrong and misleading.

[Jethreal]

For rolls like Monks, ie subtle blow, testing would be done in a controlled ballista/brenner environment where the opposing player gets hit to determine a baseline TP gain from damage taken. Then this is compared to TP gained with a roll of 1..2...3.. etc, and then again with a monk in the Cors pt. Long? yes, tedious? definatelty, Can a value be determined with fair accuraccy over a long sample period done at various levels? yup.

So it could have, and could be done. However it would have been nice to have seen some parsed evidence to support the claims made & widely accepted.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

The majority of those do seem a tad fishy, but couldn't Monk Roll's result's be verified in a Diorama test? If MNK roll was as godly as it was listed on that wiki, then I think we'd be using it a lot more than we have.

Fighter and Rouge rolls are hard to gauge just by pure observation, but if a parser could detect critical hits we'd have something to go on there. Double Attack is random, but what he posted almost seems right, but a little more generous than it should be.

There's no real way to gauge Magus and the pet rolls. Drachen Roll didn't even have a basis on job traits until DRG group 2 merits came about. So what we have on that on is partially based on Strafe and Deep Breathing. The accuracy given for Strafe is wyvern breath accuracy there is +5 on first merit. He could guesstimated from there and then pulled numbers out of his ass for it

There is no real way to get a good handle on the values those rolls do unless you have a lot of times on your hands. But even then you can't pin down such exact numbers for pet accuracy, magical or otherwise. Some of our rolls were left to be a total mystery, I think this guy was just trying to believe they have a greater purpose.

As far as BST Roll goes, I have gotten the comment from SMNs that they saw about 200 more damage from Eclipse Bite than going without (this is on a 4 value with no BST). There were only two instances where I was told that , though, I usually only give it to a SMN when we have a WHM in PT. Can't say if that's accurate or not. SMNs do get excited when they see that rolled, though. SMN is too commonly a healer for me to roll Beast often for them.

[Akashimo]

Well, something I notice more often than others is how much a mob uses TP mobs, even soloing the Dragon Sublijar does make a difference than soloing without it in terms of mob getting TP. Its not really noticeable in EXP, but it really can help make a difference between big ws spam and little ws by the mob.