AF Armor = Useless for Tarus?

[Chanty]

I was just looking ahead recently on BLM AF armor, and it seems a tad useless for Tarutaru's. o.o Most of it is +MP, and being a Tarutaru myself, I've never ever ran into an MP problem. Wouldn't just holding onto Seer's or some other INT based set just be so much better until end-game equipment aka Black/Demon Cloak?

Just looking for your thoughts. <3

[Feba]

Dear god, no. Unless FFXI has been flooded with awesome lv50ish mage armor that goes for 10k a pop, BLM AF is very good for tarus, unless you're a millionaire.

The only one which is useless is the feet, and there's not really anything better for that slot.

Feet: Spell interruption down, enmity down, mp boost.
Legs: Dark magic skill up, enmity down, mp boost.
Body: Enfeebling magic boost, enmity down, mp boost.
Hands: Elemental Magic boost (and an awesome one at that), enmity down, mp boost
head: Good INT bonus, large enmity down, another mp boost.

Really, I don't care if you are a taru, that much -enmity and that much spellcasting bonus is too good for ANYONE to call it useless. Honestly, even if you can find better pieces for casting, you're still going to macro those in for some things.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Given that a bit of the gear adds +15 skill bonues to Elemental, Dark and Enfeebling magic, I'm very much inclined to disagree the set is entirely useless. At the very least, you can macro these armor pieces in and out when a spell type comes in to play until better stuff comes along.

And just because Tarus have a lot of MP to start with doesn't mean more is bad.

I usually feel such questions are posed to avoid doing the AF quests entirely so the player can just keep on levelling up. AF quests offer you lore about your job and the armor itself is a nod to the armor worn by the classes in the classic Final Fantasy (I, II and V most notably).

Its part of what makes the game special, I wouldn't pass it up.

[Mhurron]

You are not required to use AF. If you don't like it, then don't.

However, there is more to the BLM AF then just MP+:
Wizard's Sabots: Spell Interuption Rate Down 20% Enmity -1
Wizard's Gloves: Elemental Magic Skill +15 Enmity -1
Wizard's Tonban: Evasion +5 Dark Magic Skill +15 Enmity -1
Wizard's Coat: Enfeebling Magic Skill +10 Enmity -3
Wizard's Petasos: INT +4 Enmity -4

Thats dropping the MP and things lit VIT and CHR. By this point you shouldn't have to be told why each of those is useful. You're comparing a set that adds just INT to the above. Personally, I think the BLM AF is one of the more useful sets in the game.

[Feba]

the armor worn by the classes in the classic Final Fantasy (I, II and V most notably).
Makes me wonder how they came up with PUP.

[Chanty]

I'm not avoiding doing the quest at all. I've only played this character for a week, and she's already almost 40. Heh. I'm not worried about leveling, I just had it in my head that +INT over weighed the stats of Elemental +#. Now more of less, I just feel flamed. But regardless, thanks everyone for clearing this up for me.

[Feba]

......Just got the character a week ago?

If you bought the account, shame on you. Honestly. Please leave and do not come back.

If you got the account from a friend, make a new character. Honestly. Trying to learn FFXI any way but the ground up is like going to a derby to learn how to drive a car.

[Chanty]

Excuse me? I'm being accused of buying the account from another just because I play a lot and level quickly? I'm sorry that there's been a PL in every single party i've been in. :/ I played on a different server but recently made a character on a new server to play with friends. Wow, thanks a lot.

[Feba]

Then stop being gimp. There is no way to level a character to 40 the first time around in under a week without buying gil, or gimping yourself horribly.

[Chanty]

I stopped leveling BLM recently to catch up on WHM, but I'm done trying to defend myself. Thanks a whole heck of a lot for being so kind. :/ I'm sorry for even asking a question.

[Raydeus]

Nah, he didn't acuse you of buying your account because you level fast, is just the "I've only played this character for a week..." part that could be missunderstood. ^^;

But if you have the time to level up fast then that's really nice. :thumbsup:

And yeah at that level there isn't much out there in terms of stats that would outweight BLM AF. Even if you can boost your damage output, without the -emnity you might have hate troubles if your nukes are "too effective".

I guess you'll have to try out different combinations of gear to find the right mix between firepower/emnity/others acording to your playstyle. :biggrin:


Edit > Hey Feba, I've seen people level that fast before (with the help of friends) so unless you have proof of gilbuying you should drop that part. :P

[Malevolent]

......Just got the character a week ago?

If you bought the account, shame on you. Honestly. Please leave and do not come back.

If you got the account from a friend, make a new character. Honestly. Trying to learn FFXI any way but the ground up is like going to a derby to learn how to drive a car.

Chill out feba maybe she's a hardcore gamer and plays 24/7 you don't know she bought the account you're just assuming so. you don't know anything. who made you all knowing?? Did you look in her room at nite? You're a peeping tom. shame on you.

[Malevolent]

Nah, he didn't acuse you of buying your account because you level fast, is just the "I've only played this character for a week..." part that could be missunderstood. ^^;

But if you have the time to level up fast then that really nice. :thumbsup:

And yeah at that level there isn't much out there in terms of stats that would outweight BLM AF. Even if you can boost your damage output, without the -emnity you might have hate troubles if your nukes are "too effective".

I guess you'll have to try out different combinations of gear to find the right mix between firepower/emnity/others acording to your playstyle. :biggrin:


Edit > Hey Feba, I've seen people level that fast before (with the help of friends) so unless you have proof of gilbuying you should drop that part. :P

to your edit...i think where he's coming from is that she's doing something he could not and he feels a lil offended and the only thing he could rely on was what every jealous player does... the "they bought gil" excuse which is farfetched and not confirmed so it is a totally and utterly stupid to post.

[Necropolis]

Then stop being gimp. There is no way to level a character to 40 the first time around in under a week without buying gil, or gimping yourself horribly.

I don't see how you can make a blanket statement like that. Depending on the amount of time that the player has to put into the game, it can be feasible to level that quickly.

Scrolls and armor up to 40 is not that horribly priced in the current market on FFXI, and could be bought with a minimal amount of effort of farming. And perhaps, as the OP stated, the OP has friends that play that are willing to help her out with some early financing of gear and what not.

The OP may not have the best equipment available at this point, but that does not neccesarily mean they are gimp. Perhaps no HQ, but for most cases the NQ at the current level is satisfactory. And according to thier profile there sub is leveled.

I leveled to almost 50 within two weeks of playing the game. Bought it when I had vacation time saved up, and just played FFXI a lot for that time period.

I don't believe this is a way to welcome new players to the forum. If you are going to call them gimp, at least make sure they are gimp first. For all I know they run around in level 1 RSE equipment, but until they state that I don't think it's fair to call them gimp.

[Feba]

you're just assuming so.No, i'm not. Read more than the first two sentences in a post- in fact, that's why I put this at the front, to make sure you'd see it.

To Raydeus, I suppose it's possible to with friends, but that's not really any better than gilbuying, and you're still gimping yourself. There is NO WAY to level your first character in FFXI to 40 without gimping yourself, either through skills, armor, or skill in general.

Otherwise, there is no way to get 40 in a week without gimping yourself, as a first time player.

[Malevolent]

No, i'm not. Read more than the first two sentences in a post- in fact, that's why I put this at the front, to make sure you'd see it.

To Raydeus, I suppose it's possible to with friends, but that's not really any better than gilbuying, and you're still gimping yourself. There is NO WAY to level your first character in FFXI to 40 without gimping yourself, either through skills, armor, or skill in general.

Otherwise, there is no way to get 40 in a week without gimping yourself, as a first time player.

So in other words if friends give you gil to help you out as a 1st time player thats the same as buying gil?? I guess being generous and helpfull is a bad thing?? So how are you gimping yourself if you're with friends. You have experience all around you that can rub off...that is not being gimp.

Feba, you can niether confirm she's gimp buying gil or she purchased the account. Just like Don Imus assumed the the rutgers womens basketball team were nappy-headed hos you did the same by assuming Chanty purchased gil and purchased a acocunt. I want an apology to her and and you to resign from the forum.

[Omni]

all the complaining and finger pointing aside...

simply put (you can find out the detailed calculations at ffxiclopedia.org)

skill is better for resists. the more skill you have the less resists you will get.

int is related to dmg, increase your int and your dmg will increase with it.


and srsly, keep out of ppls business, who cares if they level to 40 in a week. its no skin off your back.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I'm not avoiding doing the quest at all. I've only played this character for a week, and she's already almost 40. Heh. I'm not worried about leveling, I just had it in my head that +INT over weighed the stats of Elemental +#. Now more of less, I just feel flamed. But regardless, thanks everyone for clearing this up for me.

It wasn't intended as a flame, but when you say "useless" it can leave people with the impression you intend to pass up something crucial if you can find a reason to. Other forums would tell you its useless, which isn't true at all.

A lot of allegedly experienced players go around telling newer players such-and-such gear is useless when all they're really doing is stroking their ego about some expensive gear they have. Its misleading and leads some lower level players to think they don't need this stuff, so they try to skip it.

I realize I can be pretty negative, I'm just used to questions being phased with the term "useless," so sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Malacite]

Think of it this way; it means you got more MP for back up / emergency curing.

[Neomage]

While it is a little odd to get to 40 in a week, my post will stick to the armor parts:

The most important piece of AF for BLM is the hands, hands down. You cannot pass that Elemental Skill up. The damage and accuracy added by 1 INT is roughly equivilant to 0.5 skill and 0.5 MAB. So it basicly comes down to +1.5 Magic Attack Bonus & Elemental Skill, versus 15 Elemental Magic Skill. Thats 5 times as much, not to mention the -Enimity and +MP. The Legs and Body offer similar boosts, but for Dark Magic and Enfeebling Magic instead of Elemental. The hat offers more INT then Seer's and the -Enimity is really nice. Feet are meh unless your in Ballista or Brenner. Even then they're not that good. But you have to get them in order to get anything else. So get them to.

Also, get the Elemental Staves at lv 51. At first glance a good wand may look better, but they have a hidden stat of +10 Magic Attack Bonus and +10 Magic Accuracy for their corresponding element, as well as -10 MAB and MACC for their weak element, I.E. casting Blizzard II with an Ice Staff is a good idea, casting Aero III with an Ice Staff is a bad idea. Ice and Dark are manditory, don't ding lv 51 without them. The others are optional, but highly reccomended.

EDIT: By optional I don't mean to ignore these, I mean you don't need then at 51. I would have all 6 by 65 or 70 at the latest. The HQ staves ARE optional, mainlyt because of their pricetag. But if you can afford them, get them. An Aquilio's Staff will do more for Ice Spells then anything else in the game. Just remember that you'll be using all 7 elements, so +5 MAB on all spells is better then +5 MAB and MACC on ice spells.

[IfritnoItazura]

Ice and Dark are manditory, don't ding lv 51 without them. The others are optional, but highly reccomended.
Light Staff and Thunder Staff should be mandatory as well. =/ The staves are cheap enough now for every mage to get a full collection, I think.

BLM/WHM can help out with the curing, and no Tarutaru BLM should let a day pass by without threatening LS members with a few Thundaga III...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

its entirely possibly to get 40 in a week, I did it as BRD.

But then, that was BRD.

[IfritnoItazura]

its entirely possibly to get 40 in a week, I did it as BRD.

But then, that was BRD.

>_> I hate you.

Last time I muled all my BRD30 stuff over, I sat in Jeuno for 2+ hours without invite before logging off. Invite rate was horrible for me after Lv.25.

One would have thought that Ballad is my free ticket to any party I'd want. Heck, I had fantasized that people would make a party just because I was seeking on BRD... /sigh

[Mog]

Leave it to Feba to make assumptions..

On topic though, you want to get AF. It's nice to have as opposed to seers gear. Plus you look like a real black mage too. Something else you want to have, like everyone else is saying, are the elemental staves. They add 10% potency and the HQ's add 15%.

[Feba]

its entirely possibly to get 40 in a week, I did it as BRD.
Exactly, as BRD, not your first time playing.


And i'd like someone to point me to where I made any assumptions. The people who actually read posts won't find it.

Feba, you can niether confirm she's gimp buying gil or she purchased the account. Just like Don Imus assumed the the rutgers womens basketball team were nappy-headed hos you did the same by assuming Chanty purchased gil and purchased a acocunt. I want an apology to her and and you to resign from the forum.All I have to say to this is LMFAO.


And yes, I believe that giving large amounts of gil to new players is doing them a very large disservice. Friends giving friends gil is fine, giving a new player a load of cash and PLing them is gimping them.

[Mog]

And i'd like someone to point me to where I made any assumptions. The people who actually read posts won't find it.

Sorry I couldn't read between the lines. :P

[Feba]

Sorry I couldn't read between the lines. Don't read between the lines, that's white space.

Read the lines themselves. Yes, lines, plural, as in more than one.

[Chanty]

Apparently Feba, you read between the lines yourself. I stated on one of my responses that I USED TO PLAY ON A DIFFERENT SERVER. This is NOT my first character playing FFXI. I moved to a NEW SERVER RECENTLY to play with friends. I'm new to BLM. NOT FFXI. Please re-read my posts before trying to keep defending yourself in this.

I do want to take this time to thank the people who were kind enough to help me out. :)

[Runningriot]

reading between the lines shows the reality of the world. reading letters that were printed on page doesn't make them all 100% factual. one example being martin luther king jr. he was a great man and was the biggest member of the civil right movement, portrayed by almost virtualy any book you find on him as an honest and good man, when in fact he had affairs with multiple women and also plagiarized multiple works of other members in society. there are books that have this info, but in reality with all the books ive read in school, NOT 1 has ever had this info in them. so when you say read the lines themselves feba, make sure you look for the truth between them as well. :)

[Malacite]

>_> I hate you.

Last time I muled all my BRD30 stuff over, I sat in Jeuno for 2+ hours without invite before logging off. Invite rate was horrible for me after Lv.25.

One would have thought that Ballad is my free ticket to any party I'd want. Heck, I had fantasized that people would make a party just because I was seeking on BRD... /sigh


I'm right there with you on that one. When I first took my BRD to the dunes it took TWO WEEKS to get out of there and into Qufim. Somehow there were always 3+ other BRDs my level online, and even at times when it was just me I rarely saw invites.

That was over a year ago though.

[Feba]

Please re-read my posts before trying to keep defending yourself in this.I'm not going to defend myself, because there's nothing to defend myself from. I stand by what I said.

[Lorek]

...i wish i lvled that fast....

[DieselBoy09]

And I wish I had a girl who played FFXI more than me and looked like the super star she is, but let old posts go.

[Icemage]

40 levels on BLM in a week is pushing it, even with constant PLs. It's summer. Go outside and get some fresh air. :)

That said, anyone who thinks Wizard's Gloves are useless has no idea what a BLM really is. The rest of the pieces are marginal, but the gloves are godly.


Icemage

[Omniblast]

This helps a lot.
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/profile.php?do=editlist

Anyways, I've always thought that elemental+ magic as well as enminity- on the AF's are worth it. If you have too much Int, you'd end up pulling too much hate, and need to balance it out with -enminity armor. Finding a balance is key unless you just want to sub /NIN. Tarutaru's naturally have more +int anyways. (or well it always seems like that's the case with me.)

[Feba]

o, halo thar two months ago.

[hongman]

You know when kids are horrible to each other (or 1 being horrible to another) is because they have a secret crush..


LOL Feba :)

[LyonheartLakshmi]

You know when kids are horrible to each other (or 1 being horrible to another) is because they have a secret crush..


LOL Feba :)
Are you saying Feba has a crush on half the forum population? :shocked:

[hongman]

{May} {Bee}

^.~

[Feba]

Are you saying Feba has a crush on half the forum population?
I do NOT!

[Cotners]

Since this thread has been brought back from the dead, I will say for all future Blm's... Your AF is extremely important. The hat you can easily wear the rest of your Blm career. The body is a macro peice for all enfeebling magic spells, (Sleeps, Gravity, Bind,Silence etc., all of which are important while soloing/end-game activities). Hands are plain awesome for leveling and vital in an elemental magic set-up for HNMs and such. Pants are also a macro piece for dark magic spells (Bio, Drain, Aspir and Stun). The boots are the least useful but the -interuption rate + Aquaveil is great for when you are casting while getting hit during solo play. I would highly recommend getting them as soon as they are available.

I know I just restated what previous posters have said but wanted to clarify a few things.

[massaranger]

cough cough you can lv up from 1-40 in 2weeks if you have 5-8 hrs a day to play and from 40-60 in another 2 weeks if taking breaks thats full af eligible in a month i beleve you

[Mhurron]

Are you saying Feba has a crush on half the forum population? :shocked:
I feel disgusted and dirty.

[Lorek]

yea, thats cool, i love how the AF armor looks:thumbsup:
but, also, im only lvl 7...and people have told em that i wont be looking like that in a LONG time....which sucks..cus i want a cool BLM hat!:cry: o well...

o, and also, feba, and...whoever posted this thread.....get soem fresh air, calm down, and be friends:)

[Cotners]

o, and also, feba, and...whoever posted this thread.....get soem fresh air, calm down, and be friends:)

You put Feba and friend in the same sentence... lol

[Feba]

You necro'd a week old thread, which was in turned necro'd two months ago.

Good god, let it die.

[Grizzlebeard]

Only if you do the Truffle Shuffle.

[Quetzalcoatl]

There is no way to level a character to 40 the first time around in under a week without buying gil.

mmm...

i've been playing for 4 month by now and i can tell u thats posible...

at the end of my first month i was lvl 75 PLD/37 WAR with AF ... and i dont buy gil also i can posibly tell you that im one of the most poor guys in cerberus :rofl:

but that doesnt stop me... if i need something i work for it, it took me like a whole week to get the money for my whole adaman armor

gladly i found some kind ppl who helped me with some things and a great Ls

[Feba]

First of all, don't misquote me. I VERY clearly said

or gimping yourself horribly.

Secondly, this thread is dead. Let it freaking die already, people.

[Kirsteena]

I think people need to learn how to spell correctly.

I also think this thread should be locked.

[Feba]

Second lock. This is dead.

[Kirsteena]

/bow.

I learned from the masters.

[Taskmage]

Here's your lock. ><