Ninja's who say "Ni"

[Eji Kazuma]

Okay... I finally made Ninja level 37 now comes the next hurdle of obtaining the Ni teir spells, namely Utsusemi Ni.

I really want to feel like I've accomplished something as a Ninja... I don't want to buy these spells if I don't HAVE to. I just wanted to see if anyone could give me some pointers on obtaining Utsusemi Ni.

I've never done a BCNM, but I've heard from a few other Nin's that the best ones to try for this one are "Royal Jellies" or "Under Observation". Only major issue I have with these is that as a level 37 Nin I really don't feel very confident in my ability to deal enough damage to make it through a 40 cap BCNM at level 37.

Any pointers or advice is GREATLY appreciated.

thanks in advance,
-Eji: Diabolos Server

[Wise Donkey]

The "Petrifying Pair" BCNM 30 drops Utsu: Ni and is fairly easy with the right setup and medication. I believe it has a lower chance of dropping the scroll, but you also have a chance of getting other items to sell. I would call it an accomplishment of equal value to get a pair of Leaping Boots, which you could then sell to get Utsu: Ni. It is not your fault of the BCNM doesn't drop it.

[Aeolus]

You could do royal jelly with DD, you and a mage (preferably a dd mage). It will take a bit longer as you dont have the tier II elemental ninjitsu yet. Check out wiki (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Utsusemi:_Ni) for the BCs that drop it. There are links at the bottom of the specific BC pages to Stratagies on beating them with lots of different combo's. Alot of BCs drop Ni.

[eticket109]

If you can find two DRG/WHMs then you can do Royal Jelly with little or no problem. Two DRGs can duo it with meds and while you won't do as much damage, you should be able to help them speed up the process.

[Jei]

Under Observation is a really easy BC. However, you really need to be 40 Nin and already have all Ni spells to win it.

[Eji Kazuma]

Ahh.. Petrifing pair... yeah I tried that one... it didn't go well. did it as THF with my DRG friend and a WHM and we got Wrecked LOL. It was pretty sad...

I feel very noobish on the game in the fact that I haven't accomplished much and I've been playing for over a year. One thing I have wondered is, when you use an orb and you actually BEAT the BCNM does it use the orb up, or do you get to keep it?

[eticket109]

You keep the orb but it's broken and can't be reused. Supposedly, trading the old orbs back to Shami will help build Jeuno fame.

[Eji Kazuma]

Eeee... Wow... guess I better hope I get the drop on the first run through then. I'm down to like 29 Beastman seals and I have one star orb and one cloudy orb.

So I could try either royal jellies or Petrifing pair. I have a pretty cool mid-low level LS so it shouldn't be too hard to get folks together for this run.

Only other grounds to touch is, what about the Ni elemental's? are they also BCNM? or are they dropped off mobs?

[Taskmage]

Ni elemental spells are dropped off of Yagudo Conquistadors in Oztroja and Castle Zvahl, but those mobs would be IT to you.

[Eji Kazuma]

So I will need to get some highlevel support for that... that will work out fine I suppose I need to go to Oztroja to get the magicite for rank 5 shortly anyway, I'll just have to do it as a THF.

Btw Taskmage, I gotta say, your banners are really cool... I like that they change... and the quotes are cool too. ^_^

Thanks for the help everyone, I'll let ya know how it goes. Think I'm gonna try and run Petrifing Pair again and see where it lands me.

[Wise Donkey]

This thread (http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/monsters-nm-hnm-q/61571-bcnm-sky-orb-lvl-30-do-you-need.html) has some good tips for beating Petrifying Pair. Good luck to you. :)

[Sabaron]

I vote for Royal Jelly. It's super easy. As for the other Ni's they're easy. You can farm them from Yagudos if you like or just buy them.

[Eji Kazuma]

K... I tried this last night, and I guess I kinda set us up for demise. I wanted to take Thf for Treasure Hunter, so instead of being a smart little Eji and just going War/Nin like I was supposed to, I went as Thf/Nin.

Team was SAM/WAR, THF/NIN, and RDM/BLM, things went okay till about halfway through killing the Red Lizzie, our RDM started to run back and forth kinda desperately as she struggled to keep the lizzie bound and gavitied. Then, once she started to bottom out on MP it was kinda all over.

We had the Red Lizzie down to the point that one hit would take it out, but once the RDM dropped eventually so did the SAM shortly after. It was a pretty messy ordeal, but honestly I didn't think they would be THAT difficult to take out. I may try again, but as low on seals as I am I'll probably just wind up having to buy Utsusemi Ni if the run at Royal Jellies doesn't go better. T_T

[Wise Donkey]

I wanted to take Thf for Treasure Hunter,

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think TH effects what you get from BCNM.

[Sevv]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think TH effects what you get from BCNM.

i have always been up in the air on this i usually get worse drops when i take a thf along =x

[hongman]

I was always told THF TH does NOT affect:

Rare/ex and BCNM drops.

[Eji Kazuma]

Wow... that really makes me feel like a dope... =/


Noob-Cakes FTW

[Lasareth]

If I recall correctly TH modifies quantity of drops, not quality. Considering that you (usually) get 6 items per run, with a set format (you always get 1 hect eye and 1 mercury from under obs, for example), I don't think that TH would apply here.

To the OP, my best advice is not to hold out for BCs exclusively but to find a niche in which you can make gil which you support with peripheral activities such as bcnming. It took a while but I was eventually able to save up enough cash money to outright buy the scroll.

Keep in mind that, even if you DO win, you're not even guaranteed the drop, so BCs are pretty much a gamble and not an assurance.

[Eji Kazuma]

Yeah, I have the money to outright buy Utsusemi Ni, but if I do that... one: there goes all my savings, and two: I don't feel much like I accomplished anything.

I may be trying to go too far too fast in the game though... I'm probably going to give Royal Jellies a run through and if that goes nastily too then I think I'll just suck it up and buy the scroll.

[Eohmer]

Under Observation is a really easy BC. However, you really need to be 40 Nin and already have all Ni spells to win it.

Agreed, My GF did this this past weekend and got Ni twice in one night... I don't remember how many runs that night though, maybe 5.

My success rate in victories for this BCNM is high too... lost my first time because I was not experienced with it.

Ask a friend to do it for you. Figure something out so that you can get it and pay them back somehow.

[Lasareth]

I won this bc 6 times last night and got nothing worthwhile. It's really hit or miss, and if you consider yourself a lucky person you might get something more valuable than 30k.

Nin is just a really high upkeep job. Equipping mine at 40 took over 400k (Scrolls, tools, armor, accessories) and I didn't even purchase the high-end equipment (emp pin, for example). A player who doesn't have a good source of money (and, as such, a means of getting 500k without breaking their bank) may want to consider putting off nin until later on.

[Ziero]

Royal Jelly has a fairly craptastic drop rate for the good stuff. Out of the 12-14 times I've done it I've only seen 2-3 erase and 1 archer's ring drop. It's best to save up and buy this stuff. BCNM drops are more luck then anything so I wouldn't be too worried about 'accomplishments'. Camp NM gear for that satisfaction, at least that stuff you can show off.

As for the ele spells, they are a PAIN IN THE ASS to farm. I was in Oz massacring Conquistadors for 3 weeks and all I got were the three cheapy spell drops. There's a reason some are more expensive then others, it's because some of the spells just DO NOT DROP. I know what you're thinking, I should've taken a thf with TH2. Only problem was that I was the thf with TH2. I ended up buying those three expensive spells. =/

[Eji Kazuma]

Thanks for all the feed back folks, This has been a HUGE help in influencing my decision. I have a couple good friends who might take out Jelly for me, but I really do think I'm just gonna buy the scrolls.

If the drop rates are really so crappy it's just not worth the added stress, I like the suggestion of camping some NMs for cool stuff... I've actually been planing to head out and camp VE now that I have my RNG Sub up for THF. Also, I got a level 75 pally buddy who wants to camp some Ochido's Kote... so that should be fun =P.

[Eohmer]

Thanks for all the feed back folks, This has been a HUGE help in influencing my decision. I have a couple good friends who might take out Jelly for me, but I really do think I'm just gonna buy the scrolls.

If the drop rates are really so crappy it's just not worth the added stress, I like the suggestion of camping some NMs for cool stuff... I've actually been planing to head out and camp VE now that I have my RNG Sub up for THF. Also, I got a level 75 pally buddy who wants to camp some Ochido's Kote... so that should be fun =P.

Hey, you're on Diabolos. So am I. Maybe I can talk to my GF about handing one over. send me a /tell. Same name as here.

[Eji Kazuma]

DUDE! That would be AWESOME! But that is a lot to hand over, if it's not okay for her to hand it over then I'll just buy it directly from her. That way atleast the cash is going to a player and not some RMT's.

[Eohmer]

Ok. Just send me a tell. I'll talk with her and work out a deal with ya.

[Eohmer]

Uhoh... I just checked... one of them has been sold for 550k... so I guess she has 1 left, lol.

[Eji Kazuma]

Sweet, my name is just Eji on the game... but I'm at work ATM so it'll be a little while before I can hop on the game.

Will you guys be on at all later tonight?


EDIT: GAH! That's okay though, like I said... If I gotta I'll just buy it from her. I'd rather the money go to a player then just some random RMT if I'm gonna buy it.

[Clever Ninja]

Royal Jelly's is such an easy BCNM as long as your 2 melees are up to par. I did it back on my old Galka character with another WAR/MNK and a WHM/BLM. The WHM handled Binding the jellies, using Elemental Seal on the first one and also started us melee's off with Haste. I'd assume it'd go alittle easier on my Hume RDM with both Gravity and Convert available. We never once let a Jelly hit the middle(although the last one was always abit close) with the exception of one time we let the last Jelly with weak HP hit it so I could see what would happen first hand.

I really do like that BCNM, it's one of the few BCNM's that could be done with practically any 2 melee jobs and 1 mage job that can Heal/Bind and also has very good drop rates. On my Galka I went 2/4 on Ni, and also got a Phalanx scroll for my RDM. I'm planning on doing it again very very soon since my xp static partners finally got enough seals.

But yea, if you can't BCNM it(if you equip yourself for DD and have a great DD and mage it's doable) just buy ity, Ni is an extremely important spell that seperates NIN mains from NIN subs in regards to tanking ability untl 74, you can always just do Under Observation at 40 and remake it easily.

[Eji Kazuma]

I gotta Admit, even a 'CHANCE' at a peacock charm is worth trying Under Observation. Sure... the Chance that you'll get one is practicly as low as getting the drop of jaggedy eared jack... but still... it's a chance =P

[Eohmer]

Will you guys be on at all later tonight?

Yeah, we'll most likely be partying.

I gotta Admit, even a 'CHANCE' at a peacock charm is worth trying Under Observation. Sure... the Chance that you'll get one is practicly as low as getting the drop of jaggedy eared jack... but still... it's a chance =P

Oddly enough, my gf and I have 2 mutual friends who ALWAYS get the Peacock Charm whenever it drops. :-P Dropped 3 times, and they got all 3. (They are couple, so they share the profit.)

[Eji Kazuma]

Ahh, well I just recently fell in love with RNG so... getting Marksmanship up to 80+ and Massacring monsters with bolts is soo much fun. The thought of a Peacock Charm just makes me all Trigger Happy LOL

[Gokulos]

Since I started seriously leveling Ninja lately, I thought that getting Utsu:Ni beforehand will be a good idea. But of course I didn't want to spend those 500kk -.- So I asked to of my best in-game friends to do Under Observation with me. We planned to do 5 runs because I didn't have BS for the second orb, but because of other events we did only three:
1st run: Utsu: Ni drops - Yay Happy Tarutaru
2nd run: garbage drops ;(
3rd run: Peacock Charm drops! OMG :) In the end they decided they will charge me 400k for the Utsu, and just take that money from my part of PCC when it sells.
So actually things went better than I planned. I got the scroll, and even made some money ^^ I heard that this BC has the highest chance for the Utsu drop, but you know how it is in FF...

[Eji Kazuma]

You know... I don't really think they make words to describe how large the gap is between the Elemental Ni's and the Elemental Ichi's. I finally hit 40 a few days ago and I was able to set myself up with all the Ni elementals and I can't describe how awesome it is to melee and dish out around 30-100 additional dmg for a spell that casts in a manner of seconds.

While Utsusemi Ni was a GREAT addition to my abilities, it really doesn't seem improved on beyond the speed of the cast. Given the jump that each of the other scrolls took in power, utsusemi was kinda overshadowed.

HOWEVER, I do feel that it is completely worth every ounce of effort spent in obtaining it, whether it be spending the money to buy it or BCNMing for it. I gotta direct my thanks to Eohmer, he and his girlfriend really helped me out a lot and with my new ninja powers, I really look forward to taking the class even further. ^_^

Thanks for all your comments everyone, this has been a huge help!

[Eohmer]

^^ You're welcome.