BST solo camps and the ignorant players that ruin them.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I'm pretty polite about playing BST. I try to find camps that don't get in the way of EXP PTs. In fact, if I do EXP in a common area for EXP PTs, I go after mobs they aren't interested in. I've never really had a problem with EXP PTs, in fact, even when they show up in my camp.

Its the high level players that I've had issues with. The ones levelling NPC fellows are by far the most annoying. I generally consider NPC fellows to be one of the most worthless addtions to the game and a sympathy gift for people who can't solo. Not my fault you picked jon that couldn't solo and I don't see how killing off my pet mobs is worthwhile when they're Too Weak or EP to them.

I don't care if you're farming for saleable items, I don't care if you farming beastmen seals. If you're farming for a quest item, hey, just ask for help, I don't mind helping. Don't just assume a BST took up BST as their first to 75, many players have another high level job at this point in the game.

I've done Rivene Site #0A1 as a camp, I know people will stop by to get items for the mission, I can solo a Firedrake or Hippogryph so you don't have to risk death, just ask for help.

I don't mind the other BSTs, PUP, DRG or even BLMs that come to solo the same camp as they really don't slow down things too much. BLU I totally understand as they may be out to learn a spell. But they are competiton so nuts to them if I get claim first, though I may team up if asked. RDM, SMN and NIN soloists I have zero sympathy for, you can get a PTs for EXP easily so you don't need to solo for it - kindly buzz off. Farming with THF? Farm somewhere else.

I just hate that players don't have sense enough to respect a soloist's EXP camp. And I hate soloists that do the same for EXP PTs. Had a SMN duo invade the north camp in Mire the other week. I asked them nicely to leave our camp as the alcove was a place we were already pulling from and they were ruining out chains.

They didn't not respond and I know SE would just tell me they have just as much a right to be there as my PT does, but then I didn't have to tell those SMNs that a lightning elemental spawns in that alcove, either. The elementals took care of them for me.

I'd really just like to find a way to suggest high level players go elsewhere and respect a solo job's camp. I hate to be rude, though I am a professional at it :P

[Raydeus]

Eh, people don't need your blessing for killing stuff anywhere, if the place is what you consider a BST camp or not is irrelevant, you don't own the mobs and players leveling either their npc, soloing or farming have the same right as you do to kill stuff in any area.

You can explain to players that you are xping there and ask for them to leave because you got there first and stuff, but they have no obligation to comply (specially if you act like you own the place).

I've only ran into a few players who claim an area and then bitch about you killing stuff. Of course without a sign or anything that tell other players a player has already claimed the place for themselves (and even so they still act like you have traspassed their private property).

You say "ask for help" like people are asking you to return a football that landed on your backyard, but that isn't the case at all.

Fortunately this cases are very rare but they happen, and just because you don't think a NPC's xp isn't as important as yours that doesn't mean everyone has to ask you for permission to kill mobs in an area to level their NPCs.

Now, if said player is doing it on purpose to mess with your fun then by all means, call a GM and let them handle the situation.

[Skoal]

Show me on the doll where the NPC touched you.


I was under the assumption that people didn't really level NPC as much as they used too.

It seems to me that you don't like people invading you camp and that you try not invade other camps. I prefer to be away from ppl when I solo on my drg. I hate people curing me and messing up my rhythm. Also I don't anyone around when I screw up and die.

[Murphie]

I'm with Raydeus. Those solo players that are interrupting your solo exp? They are soloing as well. You have surely pulled at crowded party camps enough before to know that you don't own the mob until it's claimed, so why would that be any different solo?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

That is all facinating, but we're talking player ettiquette, hence why I posted it here. This is about being a considerate player, not about you can and cannot do.

I don't "claim" a camp, but I don't disrespect the camps of others, so I think people should to the same for jobs that are, at times, forced to solo. This is largely due to community misconceptions about our jobs.

A BST does not diminish a PT's EXP, that only happens if a charmed pet is higher that the PT leaders level. Pets aren't commonly charmed BSTs in EXP PTs, they use jug pets that don't factor in to the penalty. If I BST does charm a mob in EXP, its for the sole purpose of crowd control.

BST, DRG and PUP all have to deal with people filtering out pet damage, too. If they parsed PT damage, people would see many of them really do contribute well and at times more than some of other much-vaunted jobs.

Yet we're sometimes forced to go alone if we expect to get any EXP at all in an evening.

I myself have no complaints about soloing BST, I profit from doing so quite nicely and prefer doing so. I get more beastmen seals in a span of hours than most people do all week.

I'm with Raydeus. Those solo players that are interrupting your solo exp? They are soloing as well. You have surely pulled at crowded party camps enough before to know that you don't own the mob until it's claimed, so why would that be any different solo?

Did you ready before replying or is this just RDM bias talking? Either that or you've never had a job that pretty much has to solo for EXP. If you have soloed your levels, I'd love to know how many beyond level 10.

I stated that I have no issues with other jobs soloing for EXP in the same area, they're just competiton. If a EXP PT is there, I can scratch their backs if they scratch mine and not get in the way of them. A level 40 PT in Gustav is not there for goblins, so I'm doing them a favor by removing them and using pets deeper in the zone to do so If you are not soloing for EXP in an area people are, you're a dick for doing so. If you're not soloing for EXP or a real objective, like an NM. mission or avatar, you're not really soloing at all, just killing weaker mobs.

People who kill pet mobs kill a BSTs ability to EXP in an area. Do you even realize that? That cuts into our EXP per hour an affects our ability to level up. Jug pets aren't for killing solo EXP mobs, they're for stalling to find the next mob to charm.

Why do you think its perfectly OK to cut into someone's ability to EXP if you yourself are not there to do the same? The claim argument is bullshit if the mob is the mob doesn't give you EXP.

I've seen BSTs help keep R pump runs clear of antlion links, happy to help people with coffers in Ifrit's Cauldron or Garalidge Citadel. Most BSTs I know are very polite and willing to help people, so I don't get why people think its just OK to disrespect their camps when they're typically far-removed from EXP PT camps.

The point isn't that everyone has equal right to claim, the point is its RUDE to interfere with somone's EXP. Its no different than an EXP PT coming and camping on top of your EXP PT.

[Hantz]

A BST doesn't not diminish a PT's EXP.

....so, that means it does?.....

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

....so, that means it does?.....

It was a typo, Mr. Higgins.

[Hantz]

It was a typo, Mr. Higgins.

Just funning of course. lol Mr. Higgins

[Murphie]

Wow, you sure are friendly when someone disagrees with you. Yes, I've soloed quite a bit on several jobs. No where beyond the 40s or so (save on RDM, but that was rarely for exp), but that's still something. Does it suck when people move in on the place where I'm camping? Well, I wouldn't actually know, because I never solo for exp anywhere near where folks party. And if I run into another solo player, I don't begrudge them getting their fair share of the mobs.

I don't own any camp. I can hope that no one else is going to move in, but I'm not going to get all worked up when someone does. Unless I am that player, I have no idea what their reason is for killing those mobs. I can speculate all day long, but I still don't know. It's when I ascribe motivations to these people without any information that they become the enemy, but that doesn't make me any more right.

Your sense of entitlement is pretty ridiculous, but it's no less than I expected. And while you may think it's adorable to talk down to other posters, you may be surprised to find out (I know, how could it be possible BBQ doesn't fucking know something?) that you aren't going to get much sympathy when you condescend.

The bottom line, by the way, is that while I sympathize with the plight of anyone (BST, exp party, whatever) who has a camp "stolen" from them, the fact remains that you're not going to remove all of the inconsiderate players from the game, so you may as well just get the hell over it and move on to more important things. Getting worked up over something you're not going to be able to change is just a waste of time.

[Karinya]

I don't know where you get the idea that killing a mob for EXP for yourself somehow takes precedence over killing it for other reasons (EXP for your NPC, seals and other drops, blue magic, or whatever the hell you want to kill it for). But unless you can come up with something solid to explain why you have more right to that monster than the other player, you're not doing anything more than whining.

Yes, crowded camps are a pain. Being in a camp for a while and then having it suddenly *become* crowded is even more of a pain. But you don't own the zone, even if you were there first. SE made the rules regarding who owns a mob; they are what they are and no amount of whining will... well, scratch that, actually, they *DID* change them once because of whining. (Granted, that was about MPKs, not just claim stealing.) Theoretically they might do so again, but probably not in the way you want.


Oh, and before you get so worked up about how you "have to" solo: tell it to all the DDs that have just as hard a time finding an exp party invite and *can't* solo for exp the way a BST can. Personally, I've hardly ever seen a BST LFP except with a comment that indicated BST party only; you can't really complain that nobody invites you if you don't try. Do you really think that if you LFP on BST you'd get *less* invites than you would on your DRG or RNG? Or are you just desperate not to lose your "get out of LFP free" card? Lots of jobs LFP all night, while earning 0 exp/hr, and don't get an invite. Sometimes several nights in a row. Even a competitive camp is a huge improvement over that.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Wow, you sure are friendly when someone disagrees with you.

When the OP posts something and you make an argument without really reading it, that's kinda an invite to get roasted because you're replying ignorantly.

I don't own any camp. I can hope that no one else is going to move in, but I'm not going to get all worked up when someone does.

You said it yourself, you don't generally solo for EXP. When you do solo for EXP, as stated before, its not exactly easy to find camps to make it worthwhile. That's why BSTs generally colaborate in various forums to help other BSTs find those camps. The EXP path for EXP PTs is well-trodden, if in an annoyingly stubborn and inflexible way.

There are nights on BST where each camp you try has someone farming seals, levelling NPCs or just killing mobs out of sheer boredom. Do I leave Gustav when I sense Bune is about to be camped. Yep, because, I know each player is going to kill stuff out of supposed boredom.

NM camping I understand too, but you should know the nature of the NM and how it pops instead of just killing everything you see, that's dumb unless it links to something. Not all of them are forced into popping.

Your sense of entitlement is pretty ridiculous.

I never once said BSTs or any soloists owns a camp, I said it was inconsiderate for some players to just roam in and start killing shit when they're not there for a genuine purpose that progresses their character. Read before replying, otherwise, expect to be condecended to.

I'm sure you've complained, at some point, about BSTs or other jobs coming in to low level camps and killing off your EXP per hour. And I'm sure somone in your PT has actively griped at them over it. We get this shit all the time even when we're not EXP on mobs EXP PTs are after.

As for things not going to change, there was a time when things were not like this and that was between the introduction of NPC fellows and the release of ToA. When people started roaming into solo camps, soloists stopped respecting EXP PT camps and in that regard, I cannot blame them.

This topic is simply about respecting a camp, people have done this in the past. People still can and do. But the majority no longer does.

I guess I should at least be thankful CoP zones and Zilart zones at 55+ are practically deserted now, that will at least make things less of an issue.


I don't know where you get the idea that killing a mob for EXP for yourself somehow takes precedence over killing it for other reasons (EXP for your NPC, seals and other drops, blue magic, or whatever the hell you want to kill it for). But unless you can come up with something solid to explain why you have more right to that monster than the other player, you're not doing anything more than whining.


I believe I said something about reading before replying (See above). Explainations were given, you didn't read them, hell, you're flaming me for things I said I understood and respected like Blue Magic. Why bother reading anything you say in reply?

[IfritnoItazura]

Omgwtfbbqkitten's interesting social skills aside, I think it's not hard to be sympathetic to his position that high level players should show more consideration for low level players.

I think most players exp'ing would cry foul if I decided to mass murder all the crabs on Qufim Island on my RDM67 "Because I need crab meat and you don't own these mobs." Same if I'm inclined to test -ga spell damage and elemental resistance with the mandies in Yhoator Jungle, or leveling my NPC on crawlers in Crawlers' Nest, I would think.

This is especially the case if they are there first, and I came along later blasting their exp/hour to three digits.

I think in most cultures there's a certain sense of having more "rights" to a place or resource if one was there or started using the resource earlier. Someone panning for gold in the river would certainly be unhappy if another came along to camp right next to him and start to pan for gold as well. A farmer who has been using a river's water for irrigation would definitely protest if a city decides to dam up a river to increase its water supply. And, etc.

Players are humans--it's far from unreasonable to ask them to extend what would be common courtesies IRL to in-game, I think.

* * *

As for not like NIN and RDM solo'er--well, Omgwtfbbqkitten is on his own with that; I definitely have sympathy for SMN wanting to solo, as well.

[Anaki]

there is a term in this game called "limited time" sometimes people only have 30 minutes to play until they have work and they just need a bit more xp for a buffer/rlvl/merit any job can be in that scenario. like nin or rdm

also just because you declare something useless doesn't mean it is, some people like the fellow NPC quest and do lvl up there NPCs no reason for you to get mad at them for doing that.

you really just seem to be whining about how other people play this game also.

[Murphie]

I read the damn OP before I responded. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean that I didn't read it, or that I'm stupid, or that I don't understand the damn concept.

The OP is nothing new. BBQ just likes to rant a lot, for reasons I don't care to figure out. But BSTs have been talking about this for years, so I'm not sure why we should suddenly take notice now.

Yeah, it sucks when people take your camps, but you don't own the mobs. If I decide to come through when you're getting exp in a zone and kill the mobs for whatever reason, I can, because you don't own them. Does it make me a dick? A little bit, yeah. But you don't know why I'm killing them, and it's really none of your business, just as it's none of my business why you're there.

That said, I don't do things like this, because I'm not a dick. And when people do things like this to me, I just move on, because I don't care enough to make a big deal about it. I'm not going to change their behavior, and allowing them to make me angry is a waste of time.

edit: Itazura - If BBQ could learn to deal with disagreement better, it'd be easier to look past the attitude and get to the meat of the posts. But it doesn't really seem worth it most of the time.

[Skylar]

Murphie**


That said, I don't do things like this, because I'm not a dick. And when people do things like this to me, I just move on, because I don't care enough to make a big deal about it. I'm not going to change their behavior, and allowing them to make me angry is a waste of time.


I couldnt agree more.

[Vyuru]

Generally, a level 75 has a ton of places that they could be doing whatever it is at, I do think it is rude for them to camp on top of you and disrupt what you are doing. I think that the same courtesy you would extend to a exp party should be shown to a solo player, regardless of job, or whatever they are doing.

However, I do agree with the you don't own the mob's attitude, I just think it's more of a first come first serve basis, regardless of where you are camping. It sucks, but if you try playing many of the other online games out there, I think you might be surprised at how juvenile alot of people can be online. FF is actually one of the more mature online games that I have played, I can respect alot of the players I meet. Sure there are asses, but you'll meet them in any game and in real life as well.

I went through the jungles a little while ago with my samurai, hardly any people in my level range to form one party, there was one party in Yhoarter at one exp spot and a bst soloing in the other spot since there was so few people in that level range online. I get an invite to a party, and the party leader decides to camp on top of the bst and try to force him out. Now I think that was an asshat thing to do no matter how you look at it. Sure the bst can camp elsewhere, but he was there first, there are other camps that WE can go to as well. On the one hand, I was the puller so I was able to leave monsters for the bst to fight and because I worked with him and pulled more gobs than mandies, I don't think we affected his exp very much, but on the other hand it still is unpleasant to see.

Its the high level players that I've had issues with. The ones levelling NPC fellows are by far the most annoying. I generally consider NPC fellows to be one of the most worthless addtions to the game and a sympathy gift for people who can't solo.

I couldn't disagree with this part more, NPC fellows are an incredible asset when used properly. I solo ALOT with my NPC, and so I get accused of lvling my npc on top of parties, nevermind the fact I had been there for over an hour prior to that and this party just showed up at my camp while I was out pulling a mob back. When my NPC was down in the lvl 30 range, I'd be soloing Robber Crabs in Kuftal Tunnel, or the big tri bats down in the basement of Garliage Citadel, she wouldn't be doing anything to them, but I'd still be making darn good exp solo, and leveling her up at the same time on IT+++++++++ mobs to her, win win situation for me. Now that my NPC is lvl 45+ she hits almost as hard as my wyvern, and uses alot of the Gaxe Break WS, she has become a huge asset to me now. If I set her to Soothing Healer I get Haste and backup cures, and she'll STILL use the Break WS.

A BST does not diminish a PT's EXP, that only happens if a charmed pet is higher that the PT leaders level.

Minor correction here, a charmed bst pet only reduces the exp that the bst gets if the charmed pet is higher than the bst's level.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

asset when used properly. I solo ALOT with my NPC, and so I get accused of lvling my npc on top of parties, nevermind the fact I had been there for over an hour prior to that and this party just showed up at my camp while I was out pulling a mob back. When my NPC was down in the lvl 30 range, I'd be soloing Robber Crabs in Kuftal Tunnel, or the big tri bats down in the basement of Garliage Citadel, she wouldn't be doing anything to them, but I'd still be making darn good exp solo, and leveling her up at the same time on IT+++++++++ mobs to her, win win situation for me. Now that my NPC is lvl 45+ she hits almost as hard as my wyvern, and uses alot of the Gaxe Break WS, she has become a huge asset to me now. If I set her to Soothing Healer I get Haste and backup cures, and she'll STILL use the Break WS.

I consider them worthless due to their application not being much more going beyond that of solo play (which is really just EXP for them, not you) and skill up PTs. In skill up, they're more of an MP sink than an asset seeing as a wyvern, automation or avatar could really offer more to that situation.

If they were able to take on real jobs, then I'd likely feel otherwise as they could perform those functions better, as of now they can only perform three generic functions and even Automations can do better than that, but then maybe that's why they're so weak to start with, as to not take away from the current pet jobs. They also lack the commands you could use with pet, they currently act only on your own actions. which makes them seem very robotic. Can't call em in ToA zones, even though their plotline is directly tied to that region, that's really dumb.

The fact they do reduce EXP for a soloist or PT doesn't help matters. The means of upgrading weapons and armor are farcical at best. Fellowship NPCs could just be so much more than they are. As I said its a consolation prize for people who picked jobs that can't solo and, really, they don't improve your ability to solo by that much.

[kiffkin]

A BST does not diminish a PT's EXP, that only happens if a charmed pet is higher that the PT leaders level. Pets aren't commonly charmed BSTs in EXP PTs, they use jug pets that don't factor in to the penalty. If I BST does charm a mob in EXP, its for the sole purpose of crowd control.
Minor correction here, a charmed bst pet only reduces the exp that the bst gets if the charmed pet is higher than the bst's level.
If the Charmed pet's level is higher than anybody else's in the party (i.e. T+ to the highest player) then everyone takes a cut as if it was a player of that level. Otherwise, it's just the BST, and it's 30% off. Jug pets don't give a cut.

[Necropolis]

Well I agree that it is considerate to not take away from a soloer's or exp party's exp/hr, I have to say that EXP is not the greatest reason to kill mobs. I know that the OP stated that he understands why blus, other bst, or other jobs are there. But I don't care, if I need something from a mob, whether its farming, for a mission, or just out of boredom, I'm going to kill it.

I was helping a friend get subjob items the other day in the dunes. I would round up crabs and kill them. Did it effect players around me, I suppose, but I needed a crab apron for a friend, so tough. Not as many people level off the damselflies so I suppose the worm item didn't effect many people, but it doesn't matter. A mob isn't yours till it's name is red (or light blue if you are charming them).

If I want to level a NPC, farm for items, do a mission, build TP, run little test/experiments of my own, or just kill out of the sheer bliss of hitting things with a maul, I will. I pay the same monthly subscription as everyone else, and that entitles me to do what I want, when I want, whereever I want. The is a mob claiming system, and it's fairly straight-forward:

If the name is red, it's yours.
If the name is pink, it's someone else's.
If the name is blue, it's someone's pet.
If the name is yellow, it's up for grabs, regardless if you intend to kill/charm it.

But I think the OP will read this, and make some rant about I know that or this, and you can't read, or your argument fell apart there or something to that effect.

While I agree that consideration should be taken when someone decides to kill something, it is my no means required. Just like social etiquette is appreciated in the real world, it is becoming a more and more scarce thing. If I have a bad day at work, I may not care when I get home to play whether I offend someone or not. You know why? Because it's a game.

If you don't like me, then don't talk to me.
Want me to leave an area? Tough, if I feel like staying, I will.
You don't know me in real life, so don't make assumptions about people unless you do.
Some people that are actually nice in real life and get walked over, play a game where no one knows thems, so that they can play at being an asshole.

Sure, people offend me all the time in game, but I take murphie's approach. I can't change them, and it's pointless to agrue, so I move as opposed to trying and butt heads with people.

I understand your need to rant on a public forum, many people do it here and at other sites. But coming in and telling the entire FFXI populace that you think thier NPC if worthless and to buzz off will get you no sympathy. Or telling a rdm, smn, or nin that they can get parties just fine and to leave you alone will not get you any sympathy. And finally telling people that your experience is more important than thier farming or enjoyment will make you sound like nothing but an elitest and spoiled brat. Which only discredits your reputation. You have valid points, but saying that your enjoyment is more important than mine is not the way to win over people's opinions.

Remember the proverb, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[Omni]

If the name is yellow, it's up for grabs, regardless if you intend to kill/charm it.

this is a very grey line here....
what about pet swaps?

is it ok to follow someone and take their pet/mob on a pet swap? when they've obviously are killing it but due to the design of the game, it causes the mob to go yellow?

it's not that easy. this is where a lot of bst vs exp pt/farmers/questers have a lot of issues.

[RunningDemon]

If the name is yellow, it's up for grabs, regardless if you intend to kill/charm it.

So if all's fair, why did they add the despawn patch? Any mobs dropped on people are yellow and fair game by those standards.

[Necropolis]

By yellow I meant more in sense of mobs just roaming around the zones at thier spawn points. I agree that stealing a mob that someone was fighting and turned yellow would just be a rude behavior. Technically I could come up and flash the mob and take it from you, or claim it while letting you keep hate. But I agree those activities would just be rude.

I don't play bst very often, but when I do I find it enjoyable, and yes I would be offended if I was swapping out pets, and someone stole my prey. But I think I would generally just find a new spot to level at. But while on another job I would not go around stealing mobs people were killing. I may however kill mobs that they do not have claim on, and were not killing when I passed by.

[RunningDemon]

I don't play bst very often, but when I do I find it enjoyable, and yes I would be offended if I was swapping out pets, and someone stole my prey. But I think I would generally just find a new spot to level at. But while on another job I would not go around stealing mobs people were killing. I may however kill mobs that they do not have claim on, and were not killing when I passed by.

And here you have proved you know absolutely nothing about BST by your assumption that BST can go level anywhere. BST has limited areas to camp, now go learn about something before you spout off about things you know nothing about.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

And here you have proved you know absolutely nothing about BST by your assumption that BST can go level anywhere. BST has limited areas to camp, now go learn about something before you spout off about things you know nothing about.

While that's not exactly how I'd put it, this is basically the truth. The transition between an old camp and finding a new one relative to your level takes a bit of time. I've been in Gustav Tunnel for 47-52 and while people would say that's a nice heap of levelling, the EXP does wane unless you go for BST mob's pets, which is risky, but doable. And if people are there camping Bune, kiss some of your pet mobs goodbye, they'll be killing those off out of boredom.

I've tried the Leshy camp at 50-51 and either people are there farming seals or levelling NPCs every time I've checked, so that's not an option, so I go back to Gustav again. And if a PT is down at the camp I EXP on pet mobs or there are even other soloists there, that camp is not an option and I have to either settle for DCs on the upper level or trot across the world to find another camp that works for me.

People also forget that while we can solo EXP, it entails lots of risk. Its more death than most people could stomach and lots of time is spent searching for a camp, so people running in and killing off pet mobs just because they can is rather disrespectful when we do find that saf(er) camp.

Some camps require you to go in really deep for the good EXP, too. Garalidge is a good example as this will likely be my camp around 56. I'll be sending mobs there against Hellmines. Where exactly and I going to run to with low HP here? Additionally, where are my safest spots to cast magic? Do I go /NIN? Utsusemi is not going to save me from Self-Destruct. Its a risk and if I want my AF coffer, these mobs are very much the ones I want because sometimes they kill themselves. Will people come for MNK or RDM coffer keys? Yep. Will the ask for help? Maybe, maybe not.

Contrast this to Riverne Site #0A1 for 40-42. Plenty of mobs with a decent respawn and good chains there, the spatial displacements allow for safe zoning from aggro and let your pets cross over that "zone." The good EXP there wasn't too far in. And in most cases people there didn't come and kill my EXP and pet mobs, they approached me for help, because they saw me killing off wyverns and Hippogryphs by myself. That or they needed Blue Magic.

So can I find another camp? Sure. But it may take hours and I'd lose one, possibly two evenings finding one that suits me. Meanwhile, others can do this:

Valkurm > Qufim > Yuthunga > Yhoator > GC/Altepa > CN > QC > GC/Gustav > Kuftal and then Aht'Urghan all the way to 75 with a little Bibiki Bay thrown in.

BST's options just aren't that cut-and-dry.

[Necropolis]

And here you have proved you know absolutely nothing about BST by your assumption that BST can go level anywhere. BST has limited areas to camp, now go learn about something before you spout off about things you know nothing about.

While I have not yet leveled BST past 30 I have leveled most everyjob I've played to the 40s on solo exp alone. So do not assume because my bst is not my main that I know nothing about soloing and where and what I can solo. I enjoy leveling by myself pre-37 duo to the fact that the majority of people I find in the lower level are merely leveling a sub and not putting much effort into the game at that level. I don't dislike anyone for this fact, and don't come off ranting to people I don't know about how they should play.

But furthermore, this is not a BST forum. I could understand your aggression towards me if I was in a BST forum telling people how to play I job that I don't not level seriously. Now the topic of the post is about BST but BST are not the only soloers, and certainly not the only people that pay to play FFXI. Furthermore, I stated what I do, and in no way infered that is what other people should do.

I do not make a habit of just moving in on other people's camps, but there are instances where there is something I need from a certain mob, from a certain place. And if you are not killing said mob at that moment, I will kill it to get what I need from it. If you can provide me one logically thought out reason why you are entitled to a mob over me, I am all ears. But if a mob is there, and I want to kill it, who are you to say that I can't? Do I not play the same game as you? Do I have no right to enjoy the game as I see fit? I agree that many people seem to get their jollies from irritating other, but that is not me. I do not kill mobs with the intent to piss off others, but is sadly occasionally a side-effect of it.

[RunningDemon]

If you can provide me one logically thought out reason why you are entitled to a mob over me, I am all ears.

Because I was there first. It all comes down to what kind of a person you are.

Also omgwtfbbqkitten, how is the A-01 solo stuff? I need a good place to solo and am tired of Mount Z (just broke my trials dagger).

[Illuen]

Because I was there first. It all comes down to what kind of a person you are.

Does this mean, if I'm camping Hoo Mjuu, for example, and you, after I am waiting, zone in wanting to camp him, you'll back away and let me get him? What about Leaping Lizzy? If My linkshell is camping a HNM, are you going to back off because we were there first?

As someone who is a big fan of BST, I must say that 9/10 times I've seen complaining on this matter, it is by people who'd laugh if they did it to someone else. There is a BST I knew who would rant and rave when someone stepped foot in "their" camp, but had no problem jumping in on top of a PUP, or a SMN duo, because they are not the "true" solo job that BST is.

[RunningDemon]

Does this mean, if I'm camping Hoo Mjuu, for example, and you, after I am waiting, zone in wanting to camp him, you'll back away and let me get him? What about Leaping Lizzy? If My linkshell is camping a HNM, are you going to back off because we were there first?

I meant leveling, not NMs.

[Illuen]

I meant leveling, not NMs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do NMs not give experience? What about normal, non NM mobs that are heavily camped because they drop useful items? At what point does someone become "entitled" to a mob if they are there first? If you're in for a penny, you should be in for a pound, so to say.

[Necropolis]

Because I was there first. It all comes down to what kind of a person you are.


We could play the I was there first game all day long. What kinda radius do you own when you walk into a zone? You own the entire zone, or just like a 20 foot radius? What about mobs you don't intend on killing, mind if I have those? I didn't relieze that just because people are in a zone that entitle them to tell me what I can and cannot do in that zone.

As far as what kind of person I am, I suppose that would be dependent on the day, and what I want. No, I won't walk into you camp and start killing mobs in general. But if I need something from them for myself or a friend then I will kill them. Still I would try to skirt around your camp and kill the ones farthest from you as opposed to just running up behind you and stealing your next pet.

But I would say that on my server you will rarly find someone as helpful as me. There isn't a day that people arn't asking me to help with avatars, LB runs, advice, NM killing, coffer/key hunting. And I try my best to help everyone I can. I certainly won't say I am the only one that does this, but I would say that people that help to the extent I do would not represent the majority of the populace.

So if a friend ask me to go hunting for a mnk testimony, and we go to Castle O, but someone else is hunting for a mnk testimony as well, I should up and leave according to you. Now this is not an ideal example as there are other places to get a mnk testimony, but lets assume that someone is hunting them at all the locations they are available. You would argue they are there first, so I have no right to help my friend trying to get a testimony.

Same goes for the basement of garliage citidal, I need a coffer key from there, yet someone is hunting a coffer key, so tough for me, I just need to not interfear with people that beat me to the zone.

All I'm saying is that a zone isn't yours just because you were there first. You are entitled to no mobs except the one you are currently fighting. And while a decent person/party will let you to your own, not everyone will. Otherwise Caedivre Mire wouldn't have 100+ people in it over the weekend, and other camp grounds way over camped and crowded.

I'm curious as to how far your "I'm was there first, it's mine" mindset goes. If you decide to camp a particular NM, and you are the first one there, would you argue that with people that show up just before it pops that the NM is yours? Or if you notice a NM on widescan and see a person that is obviously camping this NM (that you have an intrest in as well), would you inform the other player of where it was, or kill it yourself?

EDIT: hoomoo brought up the topic of NMs so I suppose you have already answered that part.

[Omni]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do NMs not give experience? What about normal, non NM mobs that are heavily camped because they drop useful items? At what point does someone become "entitled" to a mob if they are there first? If you're in for a penny, you should be in for a pound, so to say.

oh gosh, this is a bit nit picky. dont play naive now, you know that nm's are different that regular mobs. yea some do give xp but do they pop every 12 minutes? nm's are an exception.

dont disagree just to disagree.

if you see 1 pt in an area that holds 1 pt, do you crowd them? no you wouldnt. but many times, a pt will see a bst and not think twice about crowding him because they think its only 1 person and 1 person doesnt matter when you have 6 ppl.

its something that non-bst will never realize until they have it happen to them. i think the closest thing is that if you solo your af keys and a pt comes and xp's on those mobs.

[Illuen]

its something that non-bst will never realize until they have it happen to them. i think the closest thing is that if you solo your af keys and a pt comes and xp's on those mobs.

I have experienced it, actually, and I do not believe it is just BST hate. I solo PUP, and I've had numerous people drop in on me at one time or another, full parties AND BST solo/duo/trio groups. Once BST, in particular, when I sent him a /t to ask him to move, replied rather snottily that this is a "BST camp" and that I had no right to be there.

So honestly, I don't care much for the battered BST syndrome talk. I love BST, I do plan on leveling it when I have time to fully devote to it, but I think that saying that BST are the only group who can realize what it is like to have your camp taken from you is more than a bit daft.


oh gosh, this is a bit nit picky. dont play naive now, you know that nm's are different that regular mobs. yea some do give xp but do they pop every 12 minutes? nm's are an exception.

That doesn't change the fact that it has been said that people are entitled to mobs. Who gets to decide if a mob is one which they are "entitled" to?

[Omni]

that has no bearing on what we are talking about. which is about camps and your comment about nms. obviously other solo jobs will experience the same things as a bst. my inability to credit all soloists doesnt make my point any different. which you left out in your reply.

nm's are special. dont disagree just to disagree with 'well nm's give xp too' now -thats- a bit daft. you know theyre special mobs.

ok now youre playing word games. i, as a bst dont believe i am entitled to any mob however, i think as with any xp'ing player, if i arrive first at a camp i shouldnt be told to leave or pushed out. just like any xping party. do you goto mamook (puk and skoffin camp, if you're wondering where) when theres 2 pts already and ask one of the pts to leave? no you dont. the pt's that are already there shouldnt have to leave since they got there first. this is what the other bst that posted meant by entitled to... somewhat poor choice of words but i dont think its too hard to figure out.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Also omgwtfbbqkitten, how is the A-01 solo stuff? I need a good place to solo and am tired of Mount Z (just broke my trials dagger).

Posted the Info in the Anthology forum a while back. Its not the fastest EXP in the world, but definately doable and /NIN is a must. I don't know how good the EXP is to a high level BST as it did wane for me when I hit 42. I thought SE had adjusted it so you got more EXP in those zones based on the capped level and not your real one, but that didn't seem to be the case.

I'll go back and check it out sometime to be sure, but I want to get my axe recapped since I did gob pets all last week and didn't melee since they hit like trucks.

And just to add a little more perspective (which I'm sure will be ignored by our Devil's Advocate sector) last night I looked for a new camp at 52. West Altepa at Revelation Rock, Beetles vs Beetles or works or Antican. No good, beetles were all DC. mobs raned T to VT.

So I tried the entrance to QC in West Altepa. Mobs were too high. Checked Onzozo before heading out there, too hight, but possibly viable for Scorpions vs Gobs in a level or two.

So I tried the entrance in East Altepa. Mobs were of the appropriate range, but this is generally.... an EXP PT camp.

And, as stated before, the Leshy camp in Lufaise Meadows is seal-farming territory most of the time.

Crawlers Nest it would be Exos vs Exos, which would be slow since Blazer Beetles/rumble crawlers are too high and Soliders and Flies are EXP PT mobs. Labrynth lizards too low, Scorpions too high.

So its the East Altepa QC camp and I may have to wait any time a PT shows up because they probably wpn't care about my EXP. But if they're just after the beetles (which is usually the case) that's not so much of a problem, I can just do Anticans, Spiders and Worms since no one wants 'em.

QC west is rarely done by EXP PTs, but not viable for another level or so.

[RunningDemon]

The way capped exp works is you get less exp points if you are capped, but if you are on merit mode, you'd get the same as if you were level 40 as I am to understand.

[Visper]

Well it happened to me again - 2 times in 1 night! First camp was E-5 of Map 1 Quicksand Caves, I buff etc n start to go to town on the ants, get about 1k n what happens...two dragoons show up with a PL, and of course kill my pets first. I say thank you very much ^^ and move to my next camp J-9 on map 2, camp not as good because only 1 pet per tunnel, but still doable get about another 1k and this happens...I pull a Antican with dia, had my pet waiting back at camp...well I thought it was, this time its a duo rdm n sam party, and yes they killed my pet...made a b-line for the zone n needless to say was a little perturbed. They had passed me earlier and knew I was using beetles as pets...wtf people just ignorant?

[Raydeus]

They had passed me earlier and knew I was using beetles as pets...wtf people just ignorant?

I don't think they gave any thoughts to you being there, or being a bst, or what kind of pet you were using. The same way I don't think you give much thought about what other players are doing when you are running around doing your own stuff.

Don't take it personally, and remember that even though you are soloing you don't own the mobs. It's sad and inconvenient at times for all players (not just soloers), but that's the way it is.

[Visper]

never said I owned the mobs, it just seems people know a bst is there - kill of the pets, then move onto the real prey that they know i can't touch without pets. So in a way they are "claiming" the area...I don't mind sharing. Like I wasn't touching the PLD ants - a lot of them floating around that they started fighting anyway after my pets where killed off.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

I don't think they gave any thoughts to you being there, or being a bst, or what kind of pet you were using. The same way I don't think you give much thought about what other players are doing when you are running around doing your own stuff.
I've been in Fei'yin for the past week (spending anywhere from half hour to an hour per session, and logging out there) skilling up / leveling my NPC on various bat and magic pot mobs there. On one occasion, I noticed a lvl 54 BST was there, with a search comment indicating his camps and intended exp mobs. On another occasion I observed a lvl 54 PUP was solo exp'ing on Dromas.

Both times, I gave those players a wide berth so that my solo activities didn't infringe on their solo activities. There are more than enough mobs in that zone for me that I didn't need to encroach on someone elses ongoing activity.

See? It can be done. Being considerate of others is a life skill which everyone should strive to develop by practicing on a regular basis.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Don't take it personally, and remember that even though you are soloing you don't own the mobs. It's sad and inconvenient at times for all players (not just soloers), but that's the way it is.

It happens to EXP PTs very rarely, save for merit levels. What people aren't understanding here is the frequency in which other players bring a BST's EXP to a complete halt. It happens a lot.

Your EXP PT might get 3k EXP and then have 20 mins downtime. Best I'm going to do in an hour with no downtime is maybe 2.5k. Maybe. Now factor in the people crashing your camp, the random WHM that drops that chain-breaking, hate-stealing Cure IV on you or that dunce out levelling his NPC fellow.

It happens a lot. Unless I'm in a CoP zone, that is.

We need another CoP-type expansion. Level-capped zones, places that make EXP PTs crap their pants. Missions that actually have challenges. It gives BSTs more options. ToA is very lacking for BST. Not really any good area to go to. Too many chimera-type, many charm resistant mobs.

And there's the bothersome lack of rarhabs. The principle that "every corner of Vana'diel has a rabbit that can kick your ass" has not been met with ToA. That is, unless Odin is a rarhab in disguise.

[Murphie]

Rarab.

[Hantz]

Ahab (http://www.creepy-ts.com/files/Captain_Ahab.jpg)

[Murphie]

Is this my cue to find a picture of a white whale?

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Your EXP PT might get 3k EXP and then have 20 mins downtime. Best I'm going to do in an hour with no downtime is maybe 2.5k. Maybe. Now factor in the people crashing your camp, the random WHM that drops that chain-breaking, hate-stealing Cure IV on you or that dunce out levelling his NPC fellow.
Another thing non-BSTs likely don't realize is just how much it hurts when a BST loses an EM pet. Just to convert 2 pets to EM often takes me 15 to 20 minutes. It doesn't even have to be someone who comes along and kills those EM pets. I've lost EMs to players who get aggro from those mobs and drag them to the zone. The best I can do is run after them and salvage one of the pets before they despawn.

Other jobs can solo, and can empathize with BSTs when it comes to exp camps being raided. But none of them rely on native pets of proper level like BSTs do. Unless you've leveled BST, I don't think you quite understand that killing off one of our pets is like forcing a pt to replace a pt member.

[Visper]

Holy off topic, when did this turn into pirates discussion :/

I've been in Fei'yin for the past week (spending anywhere from half hour to an hour per session, and logging out there) skilling up / leveling my NPC on various bat and magic pot mobs there. On one occasion, I noticed a lvl 54 BST was there, with a search comment indicating his camps and intended exp mobs. On another occasion I observed a lvl 54 PUP was solo exp'ing on Dromas.

Both times, I gave those players a wide berth so that my solo activities didn't infringe on their solo activities. There are more than enough mobs in that zone for me that I didn't need to encroach on someone elses ongoing activity.

See? It can be done. Being considerate of others is a life skill which everyone should strive to develop by practicing on a regular basis.


Anyway this is how I play the game, I have never or will never camp on a bst or a party, I have for NM's etc but thats a different story. I will actually just move rather than argue most of the time like I did, I don't want a rep as a whining bst, but come on people show some common courtesy.

Another thing non-BSTs likely don't realize is just how much it hurts when a BST loses an EM pet. Just to convert 2 pets to EM often takes me 15 to 20 minutes. It doesn't even have to be someone who comes along and kills those EM pets. I've lost EMs to players who get aggro from those mobs and drag them to the zone. The best I can do is run after them and salvage one of the pets before they despawn.

Other jobs can solo, and can empathize with BSTs when it comes to exp camps being raided. But none of them rely on native pets of proper level like BSTs do. Unless you've leveled BST, I don't think you quite understand that killing off one of our pets is like forcing a pt to replace a pt member.

exactly what happened to me on my second camp - I converted the beetles there and they killed them all - it did take me a good 15 min.

[Hantz]

Is this my cue to find a picture of a white whale?

Only if you subscribe to the same stream-of-conciousness riffing that I do.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

For those that may be out of the loop on what "converting mobs" is:

It more or less boils down to using the MPK adjustment to despawn mobs until they repop at a level more to our liking. When we get an EM mob, we try to steer the fights near where that mob was found. If we drag it too far from its spawn point, we possibly lose that mob with Leave due to that very same MPK adjustment.

Before the adjustment, a BST could somewhat create their own little pet camp by leaving "left" mobs in a particular area and going back to it to grab a pet. Obviously, this was also abused to MPK other players or PTs that tried to take over a BST's camp. Addtionally, other players in other jobs would just plain train the mobs and die near a rival to exploit this as well, hence the MPK adjustment.

But it now makes maintaining a camp a little more difficult, so we have to use this convert method at times to have pets that can take on the EM, T and VT mobs we're accustomed to EXPing on. DC EXP is passable, but not terribly productive once your TNLs start breaking the 10k mark.

Were you in the same position, would you be jazzed about someone obliterating your EXP per hour? Best it gets in solo EXP is 2.5-3k an hour, but most of the time its 2k per. Now take those 40k TNLs at 70+ and think about how many hours that is if you're not able to build a PT or get them due to persistant and annoying myths about your job.

Our skill with Axe is equal to that of WAR, our pets are a very signifigant portion of our damage. And that's a real sticking point for all pet jobs - the pet damage is typically filtered out by players, so its not seen and players are led to believe that DRG, SMN, PUP and BST are poor damage dealers. Not so.

And jug pets do not create an EXP penalty on the PT, they're no more or less different than a wyvern, automation or avatar in that regard. Its basically a free PT member. Ok, it costs us a bit of gil, but still, we get the most versitile selection of pets in the game and that will likely continue to grow with updates.

Only real problems are the lacking selection of uncapped jug pets and expense of HQ jug pets, in addtion to no native melee job traits or abilties. We don't even get merit abilities like that. We either have to use /NIN and equipment to reach our potential or sub /WAR in PTs to boost our damage. I suppose an argument could be made for /SAM, but we're not as good with scythes as axe.

Most BSTs do persue the job for solo, as do I, the independance is nice and the rewards are high. I love rolling in the beastmen and kindred seals I get, I have so many BCNM opportunities to fund my other jobs with.

But we do like to get PTs, too. I've honestly never spent so much time working toward my AFs in this game. Most were done in a span of days, even DRG. Its going to take a while to do it as BST, possibly weeks to wear it even if I get it done in a few days.

So I do think BSTs are entitled to a bit of respect and that is all we're entitled to. Other jobs may solo, but I doubt any do so at the level BST, PUP or DRG do for levelling up. Its either that or wait in Jeuno/Whitegate. And people may claim other jobs don't have that ability, but don't disrespect a class just because you picked a job that can't really solo for EXP at your level.

I personally see no value in a game where every job could solo, it takes away diversity and the ability for a role to stand out. Making everyone a capable healer or DD would be just as bad.

[Raydeus]

You guys can't blame other players for not knowing how BST's pet management works.

That was the point of my post, of course someone who has leveled BST will be aware of these things, and it's the same with all the other jobs. Most players don't know the fine details of a job until they play it (and some still don't know anyway even after playing the job :rofl: .)

However, unless you are willing to explain the procedures and reasons why you are asking other players not to kill your pets to each and every person that goes through the place where you are camping, then you can't complain about others not magically knowing you are converting mobs and stuff like that.

Most players only see a bunch of mobs, if they get aggro by them they will zone them, if the mobs get in their way they will kill them, if they are soloing/lvling NPC they will also kill them and for a long time.

So, until SE makes an adjustment where players can tag mobs and display a messege saying "This is a Converted mob reserved for <Insert BST name>" or "This is the skill up mob reseved for <player> so it's Uncharmable>" you'll have to deal with it.

Because many times BSTs will get to a skill up camp with a party already present there and start charming skill up mobs the same way people kills pets, and it isn't about soloers wanting to mess with other people's skill, or about people wanting to mess with soloer's xp.

It's about mobs being there unclaimed and players wanting to use them for their own personal (and most of the times valid) reasons.

And trying to make it a "BST vs the rest of the world" kinda thing only makes your case weaker. :P

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

You guys can't blame other players for not knowing how BST's pet management works.

Due to the rather glaringly obvious fact that this game is online and the majority play on PC, one most conclude most players do, in fact, have access to the internet. Therefore, they also have access to forums. If they have the massive amount of time required to play this game, they have the time to inform themselves not only about their job, but others as well.

I'm not a Black Mage, but I can provide insight into solo camps for Black Mages and know thier strengths. I am not a THF, but I can provide them with places to farm and know what their best stats are. I am not a SMN, but I know thier trials and how to play off their skills. I'm definately not a MNK, but I know what they're best at destroying and wouldn't have a second thought about seeking one out to those ends. I'm not a PLD, but I know what they need to do to tank effectively and protect thier PT.

I am none of those jobs. But I look into them so I can work with them effectively, which is something everyone can do if they already have the time to play this game. There's really no good excuse for not knowing anything at all about a particular job.

And given the solo hype of jobs such as BLU, RDM and NIN, how can one totally ignore the solo dynamics of THF, BST, DRG or PUP as well? Hell, took years for most DRGs to come around to the benefits of /WHM.

[IfritnoItazura]

Err. Lot's people don't know the intricacies of their main jobs, Internet access or otherwise. Large number of people out there still thinks having Beastmaster in party means low exp for them, from what I've seen. >_>;

Heck, I've seen BST in exp parties without jug pets or using some really weak ones (less than 25% melee accuracy kind of weak ones). Demanding the majority of players to understand pet swap or pet convert is just unrealistic.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Err. Lot's people don't know the intricacies of their main jobs, Internet access or otherwise. Large number of people out there still thinks having Beastmaster in party means low exp for them, from what I've seen. >_>;

Heck, I've seen BST in exp parties without jug pets or using some really weak ones (less than 25% melee accuracy kind of weak ones). Demanding the majority of players to understand pet swap or pet convert is just unrealistic.

Its pretty obvious BST solo requires charming mobs, its also rather obvious that killing them off in front of a BST is bad for the BST. How am I suppose to finish off that angry antican if you kill off all the beetles and spiders in the area?

Its not rocket science.

[IfritnoItazura]

The information is out there in plain sight, if you don't use your common sense and inform yourself, expect to get railed on, that's all I'm saying.

You can "rail" on them while they laugh at you and killing your pets and preys if you want--I'd rather spend two minutes to explain to them why my BST needs the monsters and politely ask them to leave them alone. =b

Well, that is if I ever find time to play BST again. >_>; I enjoy static parties too much...

[Necropolis]

Its pretty obvious BST solo requires charming mobs, its also rather obvious that killing them off in front of a BST is bad for the BST. How am I suppose to finish off that angry antican if you kill off all the beetles and spiders in the area?

Its not rocket science.

Why is it that whenever someone exercises thier right to play the game in a way that someone else feels is inferior must you rail on them?

While many people have knowledge about jobs they don't play, it's mostly things they have learned in parties and how to effectivily use it in group dynamics. So why would someone spend hours reading beast forums and what not if they have no desire to level a job.

Just because you have read forums on how to play a job it does not make you a superior player. Or a player that can tell how others should or shouldn't play the game. Just because you feel that something is common sense or easily seen does not make it law. I concede that there are just plain out assholes that will kill the mobs just for the purpose of pissing you off, but most people that are killing are just there for thier own reason, and don't give a damn about what you are doing there, nor are going to jump onto the nearest forum and find out what you are going to do there.

People are people. People everyday cut you off while driving, intentionally or not. I'm sure at some point that you have cut someone off unaware of the fact. A pet peeve of mine is people getting close to me in the store while shopping, just because whatever I'm looking at might intrest them as well. I don't scream out in the store that this in my shopping area back away till I'm done looking!!! But many people respect others space and will just shop near enough and wait for you to wander on so that they can shop.

A bst camp is not set in stone, there may be limited areas to level, but just because a zone is convientent for you does not mean it is off-limits to others. I just can understand why when something inconviences you why you must call them ignorant and rail them. What gives you the right to speak to someone in such demeaning terms?

[Don'Taru?]

Amen brotha.

I wanna be a Bst really soon. It's my dream.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Why is it that whenever someone exercises thier right to play the game in a way that someone else feels is inferior must you rail on them?

There are effective ways of doing things. In a such a strict PT-based game such as this, when I go to PT, I want that EXP to be as fast as possible, same thing when I'm soloing. Call it elitist, call it snobby, but when you play into it any argument you make against it is a hollow one. And I'm willing to bet you play into it.

...

A bst camp is not set in stone, there may be limited areas to level, but just because a zone is convientent for you does not mean it is off-limits to others. blah blah blah

Again:

We don't own a zone, BSTs simply want their camp respected.
Or
Treat others how you want to be treated.

You know its impolite to crash another PT's camp, why would that be any different than crashing a soloist's camp? If you accept the former to be true, how can you make an exception for the latter? That doesn't make any sense.

[Vyuru]

Due to the rather glaringly obvious fact that this game is online and the majority play on PC, one most conclude most players do, in fact, have access to the internet. Therefore, they also have access to forums. If they have the massive amount of time required to play this game, they have the time to inform themselves not only about their job, but others as well.


I don't think so, I think most players will concern themselves with the jobs they are leveling, and how jobs that they often invite to parties work.

Myself personally, there are very few jobs that really interest me, mostly because right now my primary focus is on dragoon and getting the really good gear for it and stuff. Sure, I know a bit about bst, thf, and whatnot, but that's mostly because I almost always party with a thf, one of my best friends is a very kickass thf. Bst I know about because of the husband/wife bst duo who used to be in our LS, and so on. While I may see a topic headline in the most recent threads section that interests me, I normally don't go and read the forums of jobs that I won't be playing anytime soon, or that I have little interest in.

Even so, with my limited knowledge of bst even I know that killing off the charmable mobs around a bst is bad, I would think that was a no brainer, but I guess some people either don't know or don't care.

[Necropolis]

[quote=Omgwtfbbqkitten;670755]There are effective ways of doing things. In a such a strict PT-based game such as this, when I go to PT, I want that EXP to be as fast as possible, same thing when I'm soloing. Call it elitist, call it snobby, but when you play into it any argument you make against it is a hollow one. And I'm willing to bet you play into it.

You can bet, but you would be wrong. I do not level jobs so that I fit into an ideal TP burn party, or only except X exp/hr parties. I play to enjoy and even if a party is slow as long as I enjoy it I'll stay. I don't care if people play the elitist role, it's thier time in the game.

And I would not call this game a strict game. There is plenty of flexability to it if people are willing. I've had pld/nin tanks for exp parties, and have seen a wide variety of party setups that have preformed better than I thought they would. But what I have noticed is that once NA parties see a trend they all job on it. TP burns and other things. Everyone wears the identical gear setups, and play the same way.

While yes it is rude to camp with were other parties are setup, explain that to the 100+ people in Caedarva Mire or Bhaflau Thickets right now. People disrespect others more often than show common curtisey. Are you saying that you have never excepting a party invite to a party that moves in on another party?

I do not kill BST pets, but I don't actively pay attention to what they are doing when I enter an area, and won't notice unless they say something. But if you were to /tell me ingame and start "railing" me you can be damn sure that you will not get the response you want, and will stay longer just to aggrivate you. Hostility gets you no where fast, and hostility towards a player that can damage your exp/hr will only make it slower.

Perhaps instead of railing on people/parties that effect you, you shoud take a moment to explain the dilema. While you won't convince everyone, I'm sure that more often than not that you will get more pleasing results from this tactic as opposed to calling them ignorant and proceeding to rail them.

Do not make assumptions about people, especially me. I am more than helpful in-game, but I do not take kindly to people you forward aggression towards me. And if I feel like it, I'll just play the jerk for a while till people that do so understand that they can't intimidate me in a game.

[IfritnoItazura]

We don't own a zone, BSTs simply want their camp respected.
Or
Treat others how you want to be treated.

Folks, that above really is the heart of the message/rant. Have a little sympathy and courtesy for the BST's--the same courtesy you would show anyone exp'ing--and ask your friends and party members to do the same. (At least on my server, they really do get tramped on often for no good reasons.)

[Murphie]

As long as BSTs are respectful in return, I don't have any problems with them. Heck, that goes for any job. In all of my years playing this game, I don't think I've ever had a run in with a BST. I've had problems with other jobs, but BSTs? Not so much.

[Karinya]

I was soloing DRG last night (you don't want to know how long it's been since I've had a party invite) and my exp was trashed when my solo camp was invaded by first one, then 2 BSTs, charming the local leeches and saplings to kill off Marsh Murres and break my exp chains.

I didn't bitch them out, though - what they were doing is legal according to the rules of the game established by SE.

[nickofearth]

Although I agree that people need to start respecting soloers (and soloers need to respect pts) I have to point out you are ignorant about NPCs. I am a Dragoon and I love my npc. I got her capped and all jobs unlocked. I leveled her at the same time as I soloed on drg lower level. Just set her to attacker and eventually fierce attacker since I had to sub mage for soloing. In a pinch they can be the difference between life and death. They have a kick ass move when you and your npc are at low HP which literally saved my life 2-3 times. I, however do not use my npc for soloing all that much. I call her for fun when I'm bored. So to say npcs are for people who suck as soloing is completely stupid.


"Obviously, this was also abused to MPK other players or PTs that tried to take over a BST's camp."

I just wanna share a story about that for no real reason. I was soloing near that mountain in Western Altepa away from where normal xp pts fight and two taru bsts come right on top of me. I've been there for a while now btw. I am just soloting beetles, but these two douches charm beetles below me and leave them right on top of me, luckily I was able to survive (Orton Pose) with like 20 hp. If It wasn't for friends who leveled bst(to know not all bsts are douches), I'd have no respect for BST because of that(and would probably go out of my way to screw all bsts over.)

Summery: Ninjas. Thousands of them.

[Eiyoko]

(responding to OP)

People indeed need to have a lot more respect for solo-ers. I always feel like leaving my party when the leader starts flipping off a BST or another solo-er in the area, regardless of my own job (even if I'm playing Dragoon, which doesn't really tend to get that many invites compared to the other job classes I play).

As a solo-er myself, SMN or DRG, I still try to be polite to others. Sure, I can exp in a party, but it's rather surprising how little I get invited - as well as how many parties I get into that just aren't worth it no matter how hard I try - so I tend to solo for exp on those jobs.

Thus, people tend to hate my Corsair (or they just hate me as a puller in general) because when there are solo-ers in the vincity of my party I try my best to play fair.

On the other hand, if they [soloers OR other parties] want to play dirty and whore the mobs, I can play that game, too. Do unto others.