Dunes Food for DRG?

[fencingkitty]

Scanned through the threads here and didn't think I saw the question so here goes.

If I were a Mithran DRG/WAR for the dunes what food am I more concerned with…attack or accuracy?

I'm skilling cooking so synthing my own meat jerky or jack'o'lanterns from drops/cheap shopping isn't a worry to me, I'm just not sure which is a better idea for the dunes.

This also assumes I'm in a decent party w/out a lot of <<adventure>> (ie: death) that would cause frustration at loosing a 3 hour food from dying if it was the jack'o'lantern.

A side note is that I have access to either 2 strength or courage rings or a combo of both.

Thanks >^.^<

[raidenn]

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/food.php#Melee_Attack

This might help. Some accuracy foods there too.

[Raydeus]

I'd go with Lanterns + STR rings unless you wanna backup tank in your parties, the +acc and +eva are nice.

Low lvl tanks are kinda bad with hate so DRGs get to tank way too often from what I've seen (or any DD with att food for that matter).

But like you said, given the mortality rate at the dunes a 3hr food might be kinda a waste. :angry:



Then again I'm only talking about what I've seen from outside parties, since I've pretty much solo'd all my lvl 37-38 jobs. :biggrin:

[fencingkitty]

Thanks for the advice, that's pretty much what I was looking for. ^^v
I knew what both did, just wasn't sure which was completely more useful since I know DD ~> strength food, but DRG ~> accuracy food.

I've had excellent luck at both random and semi-static parties in the dunes as of late so I'll probably try the lanterns then.

[Ziero]

I always felt that Acc food in the dunes was a waste. Even at those lvls, low IT and VT mobs are still the best targets to hunt and on them you should never really have acc problems. But with a high dmg weapon, att will noticably boost your dmg per hit and especially WS. This will be even more noticeable when you fight crabs. Nothing worse in the dunes then hitting a Crab for constant 0s.

The *best* low lvl food I can suggest is Rice Dumplings, it gives a nice att% boost as well as a solid +5 acc. The cheapest, yet still highly effective, method I would suggest is Jerky. Until 120ish(iirc) base att, it gives the best Att% boost of all foods. And it's only like 100 gil a stack from NPCs. If you *need* to use acc food that can only mean you're aiming too high, which no matter what only works to slow down your overall EXP.

[Malacite]

Actually, Roast Mutton costs about the same as Jerky (if you can synth your own that is) and gives a +5% higher attack increase. Plus, it lasts 3 hours! But if you want to splurge, go with the dumplings for a mix of attack and accuracy. Lanterns are indeed nice for the +10 acc, but since a lot of mobs will con high def at that level, you'll want the attack food.

[Raydeus]

Oh, Rice Dumpling (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Rice_Dumpling) didn't know about it.:eek:

I like that food. How much a stack?

[fencingkitty]

On Alexander at Jeuno AH >> ~15k a stack

And at Cooking (95) / Woodworking (15) I'm a long ways from making it XD
(is working on mid-30's cooking)

[Malevolent]

Meat of cheif kabobs are fine from lvl 1-20 or 30. give you enough STR and ATT to be a full fledged DDer. but if you've geared up for DDer and have enough Str and Att I'd go with Sushi for added Accuracy. don't get durado sushi tho...that added enmity could make you being the main tank blah. Don't forget to dex out too. a pair of leaping/bounding boots will do the trick.

[Malevolent]

Oh, Rice Dumpling (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Rice_Dumpling) didn't know about it.:eek:

I like that food. How much a stack?

Rice dumplings are nice indeed. but its like when you use them you're really not getting the full potential of the food...so i kinda stayed away from those untill i have my Sam AF gloves so when and if i do use any type of rice dish i can get that added status boost.

Edit: Opps doesn't apply to rice dumplings ony rice balls

[fencingkitty]

I was under the impression that kabobs and sushi aren't worth it for under 30 because of the base stat cap?

Also, raise your hand if you're poor from ADD of leveling multiple jobs at once. *raises hand* ^^;;

My fiance and I haven't gotten around to camping Leaping Lizzy yet, but we should for those sometime. *ponder*

[raidenn]

Just go for Meat Jerky. You can buy them at 120 gil a pc at any city except Jeuno.
Grab a pair of battle gloves and you're set.

[Celeal]

Rice Drumplings is great all the way to level 40 ~ 45. If you insist of eatting sushi, I suggest wait until Beserk at level 30 from /war. With DRG's accuarcy bonus at level 30, I think Rice Drumpling has the edge for DRG. In Dunes, the acc+ result from sushi should be about the same from the result of Jack'o-Lantern or Rice Drumpling. To be honest, the mobs in the Dunes is not very evasive. Once the accuracy is taken care of, push the limit of damage.

[Raydeus]

Considering it's the dunes we are talking about Jerky + battle gloves seem like the most practical option indeed.

But Dumplings are still nice... :biggrin:

Edit > But going all +STR gear + lantern still looks like a nice option too.

[raidenn]

How much are dumplings in your server? It's 15k a stack in midgard at the moment. Weird it was around 20 last week.

[Vyuru]

If you don't have them already, I'd recommend a pair of Battle Gloves, which are +3 or 4 acc, those should help a bit with any accuracy problems you have, I would also recommend the +str rings.

I would not advise sushi, I went out to the dunes as sam/war and tried both sushi and kabobs and found that the sushi didn't to anything for me, if anything it seemed that when I ate sushi that was the time I had the highest miss rates >.> So I am not a big low level eating sushi fan.

I rather liked Rice Dumplings, I used them for a little bit in the low 50s, they are a very nice mix of +acc and +att. If you have a steady supply of them I might go with the dumplings instead of the meat dishes for a bit.

[Murphie]

Jerky is going to be your best (and most economical bet) until about level 20. At that point you should be past the cap for Meat Jerky's ATK bonus, and you'll want to move on to something else.

People who eat kabobs in the Dunes are amusing, since they are just throwing their money away for the same bonus you can get from a vendor food.

I wear a Mighty/Vision ring combo during those levels most of the time, so I just eat whatever and rarely have any troubles.

[Yeargdribble]

I'm personally still finding that Rice Dumplins are out-performing Meat Miths and Sole Sushi on my DRG at 50.

When using full on meat, I lose the acc and even though I hit harder, I hit less often. When I use sushi, I lose a significant amount of attack but hit slightly more accurately (I already have a pretty solid acc build).

Even though I've hit the atk% cap on Rice Dumps, the combo acc+ and atk% seems to perform better. I actually found this out on accident while using Sole Sushi in a PT (with the parser on) and accidentally used a Rice Dump. I didn't level or anything, but I parsed higher dmg% when I started using the accidental Rice Dumps.

[Malacite]

How many times do I have to point this out?

Meat Jerky: http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/3717

* Strength +3
* Intelligence -1
* Attack +22% (Cap: 30@136 Base Attack)

Roast Mutton: http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/3722

* Strength +3
* Intelligence -1
* Attack +27% (Cap: 30@111 Base Attack)


The mutton is pretty easy to get too if you know any chefs. The only expensive ingredient is the Garlic, which shouldn't even be a concern. At most they run for 2k on AH, which while a bit pricier than the jerky, is still dirt cheap for 3 hours of good attack food.

Finally we have this;

Grilled Black Hare: http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/3727

* Strength +2
* Intelligence -1
* Attack +30% (Cap: 20@66 Base Attack)

again, cheap to make if you have any high lv cooking friends (57+) ask them for this. You're much more likely to hit the attack cap on this food than the others in the dunes, which means you'll be getting the most out if this until you hit qufim (unless you're a war, in which case berserk throws things out the window lol)

[Legal Fish]

Protip: Taverns for low-levels. There is an Inn in North San d'Oria, probably one of the least visited areas in the game, that sells Meat Jerky very cheap which is awesome low level attack/str food.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Played several jobs from 1-37 that were melee and I started out using Meat Kabobs.

Later in life, when Rice Dumplings came out, I used them exclusively until LV37 and never changed. I did extremely well w/that food too. I remember playing as DRK and had consistent aggro w/my WS alone and gear set up. This is even in a good party with a PLD tank, so I know my dmg was above par. lol

Rice Dumplings....... breakfast of champions.

[Murphie]

Malacite, both the Mutton and Hare cap lower than the Meat Jerky, and don't stack. That's why Meat Jerky is so nice.

Plus, three hour food at that level range is kind of asking to waste your money.

[Vyuru]

People who eat kabobs in the Dunes are amusing, since they are just throwing their money away for the same bonus you can get from a vendor food.


Meh, mithkabobs are 3k a stack or thereabouts, and I can never find the jerky vendors unless I'm not looking for them so I'll stick with my kabobs :P

I'm personally still finding that Rice Dumplins are out-performing Meat Miths and Sole Sushi on my DRG at 50.

When using full on meat, I lose the acc and even though I hit harder, I hit less often. When I use sushi, I lose a significant amount of attack but hit slightly more accurately (I already have a pretty solid acc build).


I think it might depend alot on your gear setup, at my highest in the 50s range I had about.... +18 or so acc (life belt, assualt earring, merman's gorget) and a ton of +str, so sushi worked better for me. If someone had two +acc rings, and now with the Jaridah Peti, I think dumplings would be the way to go in the 50s.

I was thinking of trying rice dumplings again now that I'm 67 and I have alot more +acc, 38 or so total +acc. Sushi is way overkill now, but I still miss a little more than I'd like to when I eat kabobs, and hedgehog pies are a little more expensive than I like to use.

[Murphie]

If people are ok with wasting their money, then more power to them. That doesn't mean it can't amuse me.

[Vyuru]

If people are ok with wasting their money, then more power to them. That doesn't mean it can't amuse me.


Ever watched melees waste 90k/stack at the time sole sushi+1 on Colibri? Now THAT'S funny :P

[Malacite]

Malacite, both the Mutton and Hare cap lower than the Meat Jerky, and don't stack. That's why Meat Jerky is so nice.



Yes, they do. However, the Mutton has the exact same cap as the jerky, thereby making it better since you'll max out your attack sooner by 5 levels! And you won't even come close to the cap on jerky in the dunes, given that the average skill level caps around what, 63/66 by lv 20? You'll actually get more attack from the Hare, or at least get a bigger boost sooner.

[Raydeus]

Yes, they do.

Unless that was changed in a recent update or something then they don't stack that I remember, I also checked wiki and it said the same (not stackable).

Although for soloing at lower levels (mass murdering EP-EM and stuff) those 3-4 hr meals are nice. :thumbsup:

[Malacite]

I meant they both hit the cap lower than the jerky. The mutton gives the exact same attack limit though, but 5 whole levels sooner (25 base attack difference)

[Murphie]

It's still an inventory hog, and if you die, you lose the benefit and are out of luck. Cheap low duration food that is stackable makes a heck of a lot more sense to me at those levels.

[Karinya]

It's not an inventory hog if you only carry 2. If you die twice in the same session, it's good to have an excuse to leave that party and go back to town, and when you get back, find a different party. It is the dunes, after all.

[Murphie]

A couple of points of ATK is totally a good enough reason to say "Hay I ran out of food, so screw you guys, I'm going to run all the way back to town so I can buy more food that I don't even really need."

No wonder Dunes parties suck so bad.

[Raydeus]

If you are a player who already has enough gobbie bags and have the gil to risk using 3 hr foods at the dunes then I'd say go for it if you want.

However if you are a player who is either just starting or don't have all the gobbie bags and/or wants more space for drops and stuff then those non-stackable 3-4hr foods aren't worth the hassle at all.

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And what's up with using food as an excuse to leave?

If your party is that bad you just say it. If they want to learn how to make things work then you try to teach em what you know to make things better.

If they don't want to learn then you just say the truth that you don't want to remain in that party anymore and just leave.

Indeed, no wonder why the dunes suck so bad (not that it gets much better at higher lvls).

(Then again I've just skipped the dunes and all that up to lvl 37 stuff and just solo'd it :P)

[IfritnoItazura]

... Have those of you who advocate three hour food for Valkrum Dunes leveled there lately?!

Parties sometimes breakup before I even decide which food to use. -_- Use a three hour food, fight for 20 minutes, then spend the next 2 hours seeking because no healer is around. (Yes, happened to me, more than once--I used to be a big Navarin fan.) Eat tank food while on WAR, and the PL tells you not to Provoke or he'll let you die, while the WHM/BLM in party is happily spamming Stone with what little MP he has left.

I don't care if you haxed a Gobbiebag XI or something; three hour food should only be used in a static party at those levels. -_-

[Malacite]

>_> maybe I'm a tad biased here because of recent experiences, but the dunes haven't been all that bad. I can't remember the last time I (or anyone I've PTed with) has died out there. But then again the place is crawling with PLs....

[eticket109]

I don't think I'd ever use any 3 hour food in any exp party, let alone in the dunes.

[Vyuru]

I don't think I'd ever use any 3 hour food in any exp party, let alone in the dunes.


I dunno, I'm a big fan of Yellow Curry, but it's the rare conditions that let me use it when in a party since I can almost never find any bards to boost my accuracy if I'm a bit low.

[Raydeus]

I don't think I'd ever use any 3 hour food in any exp party, let alone in the dunes.

I used to bring Shallops with me to xp parties while I was leveling PLD (before hitting the +def cap and moving to Tacos).

And I'm very close to never dying as PLD so never had troubles about my food going to waste for that reason.


However, 3hr food at the dunes... (or XPing there...)

(Thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass.)

[bikkebakke]

Haven't really read through the entire thread because there is really only 1 understandable answer in my eyes... well maybe 2...

1. You don't need food in dunes...
2. Meat Jerky

[eticket109]

I used to bring Shallops with me to xp parties while I was leveling PLD (before hitting the +def cap and moving to Tacos).
And I'm very close to never dying as PLD so never had troubles about my food going to waste for that reason.
However, 3hr food at the dunes... (or XPing there...)

(Thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass.)

I don't think I would really use a 3 hour food until at least the 60s. Who knows, maybe I've just had bad luck with parties.