Uneducated about Corsair

[Zoner]

I'm in an xp pt last night in Qufim when I get the following:

d00d y r u playing COR. COR is total gimp.

Putting aside the verbiage and grammar, what the hell? Do you guys run into this? ToAU has been out for like nine months and there are people who think it's like a watered-down RNG for wanna-be pirates? I take like ten minutes and explain rolls and Quick Draw and by the end of this conversation he's figured out the job rocks, but where do people get the idea the job is weak?

Counting last night's moron, I've gotten this attitude twice before, and I'm only 22nd. Somebody please tell me these are just isolated incidents and this is just my bad luck for running into people who don't know or don't understand the awesomeness of the job.

[cakemeat]

Everyone doesnt understand other jobs. Even basic type stuff is confusing when its new. I think its stupid. But my friend took his COR to 75 recently. He is a pretty hardcore player, and he gets about 1/3 love 2/3 confusion from ppl.

But, the one thing that remains is his ability to get a party, keep a party, and kick ass with a party.

I think the joke is on the ignorant ppl really.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

It boggles my mind that people make little to no effort to learn how other jobs function at some level. Its really not hard at all.

I've never been a SMN, PLD or several other jobs as a main, but I at least know the basics of what they do, read up on their abilities and such so I know what they're doing and why they do it.

You're going to experience a lot of numbskulls at several levels of the game with this job. I still do at merit levels. I got invited to a JP party... with a PLD, DRG/WHM, DRK, BLM and BRD.

So yeah, first off, no SMN for Evoker's Roll Bonus.
Sanction Refresh? Of course not.
Parade Gorgets on DRK and PLD? Nope.

BRD in PT helps a little, but we have a BLM for main healer. I figured with the BRD we'd always have 3 MP a tick on everyone, so I just did Evoker's on the BLM for a little extra and Healer's Roll for resting MP.

PLD and DRG... nothing useful from their respective rolls so I fall back to Samurai Roll and Warrior Roll. Somehow on my very first pull, they manage to burn all their MP on that one Sea Puk. These dudes are 75, decked out in endgame gear, so I don't know how that's possible on a T or VT Mob.

Was I suppose to hit them with Evoker's, too? Did they think this was some kind a of manaburn? Even the DRG/WHM... how? Heals cost 7MP tops from a DRG/WHM. DRK used all Absorb Spells, I think.

Needless to say, I disbanded pretty soon after that performance... the lack of healing from our "main healer" didn't help much. Its bad to not understand the jobs you invite to PT, but worse not to understand the job you took to 75 yourself.

[Spiritbear]

I've pt with corsair's a couple of time once I got my whm to 40 and can honestly say that I don't know exactly how they work but I do know they are a nice addition to the pt. The only comparison I can make as to what cor does is they are similar to brd with the exception they rely more on the gamble of a dice roll then actually know what is going to happen. If I'm wrong please let me know I rather like knowing the basics of how the other jobs work. Once I get my bst lvled up I'm going to do the rest of the job quest I'm missing.

As far as the OP, don't worry about what other people think about your job if you enjoy it. I have been getting the samething since I switched to bst. People saying that bst can't pt and refuse to let me in a pt. But if they gave a bst a chance they would realize that we usally out damage (damage over time) most of the other jobs. I have set up several pts as my bst and we did great, everyone would say how surprised they were that the party did so great and ask if we could pt again. Just be the one that makes everyone realize how great a cor is to have in a pt.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Other thing you have to keep in mind is that it took NAs about 2 years to figure out BRD was actually a really cool job that helped PTs out a lot. Now that they like BRDs, it'll take them maybe a year longer than it took to realize BRDs were awesome since they like BRDs and don't think anything else compares.

COR has a lot of tricks BRD doesn't and can compete, we just don't have to compete.

[Emurei]

The problem with most of the player base is they only worry about #1 themselves, and never take time to understand what other jobs are capable of. Took 2 years for NA to figure out the usefulness of BRD? o_O I figured that out as a Subjobless 14 WHM after a party with one.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

The problem with most of the player base is they only worry about #1 themselves, and never take time to understand what other jobs are capable of. Took 2 years for NA to figure out the usefulness of BRD? o_O I figured that out as a Subjobless 14 WHM after a party with one.

Well, its as you said, people only care about #1. Most people want to be damage dealers, they want to be the guy that kills the monster. It got to a point for some of them where they realized there was too much competition in the damage dealer portion of the game.

Some took to the job with good intentions and others purely with getting to endgame and sneak their "real main" in shortly after. I'd say late spring/early Summer 05 was when the first real bandwagon for the job began and then really snowballed after the release of ToA.

I have my doubts COR will ever see a population boom like that. When you have the trend of EXPing on VTs 54+ like you do now, its somewhat reasonable to not want to spend huge amounts of gil on consumable ammo.

But the biggest failure of the community in regards to COR is that they don't try to build a PT around the COR when they invite one, they just see us as something to fill the "refresh/dispel" or "puller" slot with. Its a "just add water" mentality.

All our buffs are based on job traits, skills a PT may or may not have - we can give them things their job, subjob, food and gear can't give them because they're traits that come from other jobs.

If a BRD is free gear or food to a PT, the COR is more like free merits to a PT. You can't merit Double Attack effects into another job, but with COR around, you can at least enjoy the real benefit of having Double Attack when you're DRG/THF or DRK/SAM so long as you invite a WAR. And same goes for just about every other trait we buff, you invite the job and we'll highlight that trait.

That's not to say you should never roll something that isn't in-line with what jobs are in PT, but its good to have a PT with options for the COR. I'll ofter roll Samurai Roll in EXP without a SAM present, but at my level, if there's anything a TP Burn PT wants, its more TP and SAM Roll gives more TP.

If I have a SMN in PT that does physical Rage Blood Pacts with their avatar, I'll give them Beast Roll if the MP is high enough to warrant trading out Healer's Roll. Oh and I usually always do Healer's Roll on the backline whether there's a WHM or not. The effects of a +hMP buff are cumalative while resting and stack with other +hMP foods or gear, so whatever I land on is usually OK (except unlucky).

[Kirsteena]

Hell most still think rdm is only there for refresh and haste....

O wait.... that is what I only do now in meripo...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Hell most still think rdm is only there for refresh and haste....

O wait.... that is what I only do now in meripo...

Jobs can feel somewhat limited to what they can do in merit PTs, I feel almost restricted to /NIN in merit PTs because I'm going to be expected to pull often. I don't like /NIN very much, I lose accuracy for dodging damage, but practically every mob killed in merit is a flyer and harder to avoid damage from. Maybe I'll be happier with it when I have more marksmanship merits, but I think /NIN is utter garbage since its benefits are so one-dimensional to my job. I'd rather go /RNG.

Just to add to the original post, Knowing about other jobs is rather crucial to being a good player, I think that's more important than having the best gear because without understanding how to function with other jobs, you can't play your own role as effectively.

For example, Haste is nice for lots of jobs, but wasted on a handful. People think hasting me as a COR is good because it'll lower my buff recast timer. It won't, Phantom Roll is a job ability, not a spell. The only way to lower recast for me is to merit that recast. Same thing with Quick Draw. Haste will affect my melee with Sword or Dagger, even spells if I sub /NIN or /WHM, but it doesn't affect my ranged attacks at all, either.

Three of my core functions are not affected by Haste and seldom is the situation where I need to recast Utsusemi or a Cure faster. I'll take a Garuda Haste or March since everyone is getting that, but WHMs should save Haste for others, not me. What's more is I have a peacemaker and Joyeuse, I attack very fast already, haste wouldn't change much even if it could.

[Emurei]

Just to add to the original post, Knowing about other jobs is rather crucial to being a good player, I think that's more important than having the best gear because without understanding how to function with other jobs, you can't play your own role as effectively.Couldn't agree with you more there.