Aggro to resting/sitting

[Haggai]

I have heard many people mention that some monsters aggro to resting/sitting. I have never experienced this myself, nor have I heard from my friends about it. I wish to find the exact truth. I plan to run some tests.

Please provide me with as many details about your encounters with this phenomenon.

Including, but not limited to the following
Exact monster name (or at least monster type)
Zone
What did the monster /check to you?
Area of zone, <pos> if possible
What stealth effects you had on
Your level/job

[Davitron3000]

I don't have all the exact details of this, but I am almost certain when I used to farm Tree Cuttings in Zitah that the bats there wouldn't aggro me until I rested near them. I think they were "Easy Prey" to me at the time.

Sorry for the vagueness of that, but it might be a place to test.

[Karinya]

Monsters that are too low level to aggro you normally will ignore your level if you are resting. This only applies to monsters that would have aggroed a lower level character, though; genuinely non-agressive monsters won't aggro anyone sitting or otherwise, and monsters that only aggro to magic won't aggro you unless you somehow manage to use magic while sitting.

That's mostly too weaks, but also includes some of the lower easy prey.

[raidenn]

Yes this happens.

Example:
My party was exping off mandys & goblins near Kazam. Our taru whm was resting and suddenly some idiot BST and his pet comes running off with a Goblin in his tail. The Goblin attacks our whm. Bonehead BST didnt even say a thing.

[Icemage]

Any resting player is treated as level 0 for purposes of determining aggro. Sneak and Invisible still work as usual, but a level 75 player with yellow HP will still aggro a level 5 skeleton if resting, even with Sneak up.

You can test this easily by walking out of any city and using the /heal command in front of a beastman. It will immediately attack you, regardless of what level you are.


Icemage

[Lambeaus]

I have had all bats aggro me while resting, even the not worthwhile ones. Not that it matters if the weak ones do, they always miss.

[Ameroth]

I forget what level I was exactly, but I was roaming around La Theine on my war and everything checked too weak, except the tremor ram which I had just faught was EP--. I sat down to rest up from fighting the ram (as a war you don't have anyother healing option) when a goblin that was walking by aggro'd me. It /checked too weak. Now this could have been from low HP I guess, but look over the ffxi wiki I don't see any gobs that aggro this way.

Hmmm. Good luck in your tests tho.

[Ziero]

Anything that would aggro you normally will aggro you if you rest/sit near them. The only difference is if the monster checks Too Weak, it won't aggro you while you stand. But if you sit down then anything that would normally aggro you will attack you. This isn't some great big mystery, it's been in the game since the game started.

Now if you mean some monsters aggro you *only* when you sit, then that's a blatant lie and just not true. But any moster that would have aggroed you while it was a high enough lvl to aggro will aggro you, regardless of lvl, if you rest/sit near it.

[Haggai]

Maybe I should have been more specific. I know about the whole resting near a too weak aggro mob thing. That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about situations where people claim that the monster had no reason to attack them, other than resting. Examples generally include a monster that usually doesn't aggro or the person thought they had sneak/invis up while resting.

It is my belief that there is no such thing as aggro to resting only. It is either a blood aggro while resting, the person didn't have sneak/invis up like they thought, or an aggro mob has noticed you more because by resting, he thinks you are extremely vulnerable.

As I said, I don't think resting aggro exists, just that monsters feel you are more vulnerable when resting.

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As for that Goblin that aggro'd your WHM while resting, that is a hate issue.

So as he walks by the WHM, who does he dislike more? The WHM, because he has hit the BST and lost some hate toward him. The goblin did not aggro his resting, the WHM provided more hate to the goblin than he had for the BST, so he started hitting the WHM. I'd bet big money that if the goblin lost all hate for the WHM, either by killing him or the WHM zoning, that the goblin would've gone after the BST again. This is assuming that the BST didn't zone.

The act of hitting the BST a few times probably reduced the BST's enmity to that of lower than when the aggro occured. Thus, the WHM's new level 0 sight aggro gave more enmity.

This may sound confusing to some people, but you have to understand hate fully. For that, I suggest you level WHM, BLM, and/or PLD

[Jarre]

Monsters that are too low level to aggro you normally will ignore your level if you are resting. This only applies to monsters that would have aggroed a lower level character, though; genuinely non-agressive monsters won't aggro anyone sitting or otherwise, and monsters that only aggro to magic won't aggro you unless you somehow manage to use magic while sitting.

That's mostly too weaks, but also includes some of the lower easy prey.

I was in yughott at lvl 37 paladin, max level for a Orc fighter there is around lvl 23 so 14 levels below me all working out at too weak when you scan them. Started to log out , quadav was in front of me, didn't agro while i was standing, as soon as I squatted to start 30 second logout countdown the Orc targeted me and started attacking me, I cleaned him up and started the loggout process again. I have had this with goblins and quadav in Gustaberg when camping LL, and they are nearly 30 levels below me!!

Best advice, don't rest or loggout near agressive mobs, no matter what level you are.

[Mhurron]

I'm talking about situations where people claim that the monster had no reason to attack them, other than resting. Examples generally include a monster that usually doesn't aggro or the person thought they had sneak/invis up while resting. They're lying or they were mistaken, i.e. not paying attention when Sneak and/or Invisible wore off.

Or they hit a game bug. Either way it would be unprovable.

[Ziero]

Maybe I should have been more specific. I know about the whole resting near a too weak aggro mob thing. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about situations where people claim that the monster had no reason to attack them, other than resting. Examples generally include a monster that usually doesn't aggro or the person thought they had sneak/invis up while resting.
It is my belief that there is no such thing as aggro to resting only. It is either a blood aggro while resting, the person didn't have sneak/invis up like they thought, or an aggro mob has noticed you more because by resting, he thinks you are extremely vulnerable.
As I said, I don't think resting aggro exists, just that monsters feel you are more vulnerable when resting.

That's what I figured. Yeah, it doesn't happen. If it did it would be fairly common knowledge by now. Only time it's not known as to how a mob aggros is when it's a new mob, and then the only way to learn is to test it. For example, the first day AU was opened and I decided to explore the underground area. Found out the hard way that the Diremites there aggro sound. >_>

[Mog]

Maybe I should have been more specific. I know about the whole resting near a too weak aggro mob thing. That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about situations where people claim that the monster had no reason to attack them, other than resting. Examples generally include a monster that usually doesn't aggro or the person thought they had sneak/invis up while resting.

If anyone thought this was the case, they were lying or ran into a true sight notorious monster.

[Haggai]

They're lying or they were mistaken, i.e. not paying attention when Sneak and/or Invisible wore off.

Or they hit a game bug. Either way it would be unprovable.
That's the thing... I agree. I want a situation where someone has said that they were fully sneak/invis'd in front of a tiger in Wajaom when they bent down to rest. Or a situation where a DC, non-aggro bat started to attack when he rested.

I want situations where the only reason the mob attacked is that the player rested. If I can get that, I will attempt to duplicate it based on the statement of the player. If I can duplicate it, I will start removing other methods of aggro, until I disprove that the mob only aggro'd to resting.

If I can walk up to a non-true-sight mob with full sneak/invis/deodorize with full HP and rest, if that mob attacks me, I will bow down and claim that resting aggro exists. I don't believe that this will happen.

I agree with all of you nay-sayers. I just want someone to challenge it.

[Kurb]

yess?? i had some difficulty with this lately on limit break 3 i lvled red to 25 so i could sub it use invisable and run through davoi part to get the orb needed i was aware of the true sight mobs and realised my mp was low so i whipped out my dark staff to speed up mp.
went to 3rd person view to watch for NM's none bang aggro running back to zone i got a train of orcs >< death -1.?00kexp deleveled to 59

[Mog]

That's the thing... I agree. I want a situation where someone has said that they were fully sneak/invis'd in front of a tiger in Wajaom when they bent down to rest. Or a situation where a DC, non-aggro bat started to attack when he rested.

I want situations where the only reason the mob attacked is that the player rested. If I can get that, I will attempt to duplicate it based on the statement of the player. If I can duplicate it, I will start removing other methods of aggro, until I disprove that the mob only aggro'd to resting.

If I can walk up to a non-true-sight mob with full sneak/invis/deodorize with full HP and rest, if that mob attacks me, I will bow down and claim that resting aggro exists. I don't believe that this will happen.

I agree with all of you nay-sayers. I just want someone to challenge it.

Good luck in your "search". More than not, whenever someone claims to get aggro while resting and has invis/sneak on, it's a true sight mob.

[Icemage]

went to 3rd person view to watch for NM's none bang aggro running back to zone i got a train of orcs >< death -1.?00kexp deleveled to 59
All monsters in Davoi aside from Davoi Wasp and War Lizard are aggro. You may have rested near one of the sound-aggro enemies like Geezard or Wolf Bat, which would have dropped your Invisible spell and caused the train.


Icemage

[neighbortaru]

what about the classic bogy on the ice pond in qufim? i firmly believe it only aggros if you are 1) too close 2) not sneaked or 3) yellow HP. However, many believe it'll aggro you if you are resting. I've never really bothered to confirm one way or the other though...

[Mhurron]

what about the classic bogy on the ice pond in qufim? i firmly believe it only aggros if you are 1) too close 2) not sneaked or 3) yellow HP. However, many believe it'll aggro you if you are resting. I've never really bothered to confirm one way or the other though...
It won't simply aggro resting. I've rested on the ice on the little pond lots of times.

[Icemage]

The detection path for that Banshee in the ice pond of Qufim is really weird, possibly because for a monster to aggro, it must find a path to get to you, which that broken ice seriously restricts. You almost have to be on top of it for it to notice you sometimes.


Icemage

[Karinya]

Another fun aggro fact that some people may not know: magic and blood aggro, although pretty long ranged and 360 degree, don't work around corners. There must be uninterrupted line of sight between you and the magic/blood aggroing mob. In some cases even a pillar or other obstacle between you and the mob will prevent aggro (although this is somewhat risky, if the monster moves). Even true sight mobs can't see around corners.

[Kurb]

yup i learned it the hard way never go it alone

[Haggai]

Another fun aggro fact that some people may not know: magic and blood aggro, although pretty long ranged and 360 degree, don't work around corners. There must be uninterrupted line of sight between you and the magic/blood aggroing mob. In some cases even a pillar or other obstacle between you and the mob will prevent aggro (although this is somewhat risky, if the monster moves). Even true sight mobs can't see around corners.
Yeah, that reminds me of when I used to solo Qiqirn Archaeologits in Aydeewa Subterrane. If there were little itty bitty plants in between us, I couldn't cast on him until one of us moved an inch. I could see him prefectly, but I'd still get something about not being able to see him. They'd do that all the time.