View Full Version : When does the manaburning fun start?
Neomage
12-26-2006, 07:18 AM
Currently I am a 68 BLM and 11k TNL to 29 and I am starting to see increacingly large numbers of "XXXburn only plz" comments when I am making my own party or invited into other parties that are starting to be created. Occasionally I'll get a PLD, WHM an DRG in a party but never anyone else. I ask a RDM or BRD, and it's TP or Manaburn Only. Monk? Fistburn in KRT only. I tried soloing but I'm not getting that much luck on Quiqirns anymore and I'm still to low for puddings... so when can I expect to see manaburn invites start? 69 when I get Blizzaga II? 70?
Icemage
12-26-2006, 08:08 AM
You can manaburn at any level past 54, you just have to know what you can fight.
All manaburning requires is elemental staves + AF1 gloves. You need accurate, low-resistance nukes. I've done a party as low as 55, manaburning crabs in Cape Teriggan. Things get easier from there, as nukes get stronger and more efficient.
Icemage
Date Eruca's are a popular manaburn site from levels 65-68.
Past that, nothing else comes to mind except Walourma princes and puddings.
You'll notice that when you hit 75, you will rarely, if ever get invited into a regular party. 75 is where manaburns and tp-burns split off and do their own thing. The only way I've gotten xp/merits is through duoing and manaburning.
Kirsteena
12-26-2006, 09:44 AM
<3 duoing...
Buzer
12-26-2006, 12:30 PM
Date Eruca's are a popular manaburn site from levels 65-68.
Using what for those? I manaburned on those from 61 to 64 so far with AMs (ES+Sleep order as well. Partied with about total of 15 different blms (didn't keep count) at that range & seemed like ~10 had their enfeebling still at 100-150 range. Mine is 190 atm, so 8 levels from cap. Shouldn't be too hard to cap it if required by either Dia spamming @ Besieged or at some EM-VT worms (silence first of course)), so I do have a feeling past 65 one is going to use something else, otherwise they aren't really worth of the time.
Using what for those? I manaburned on those from 61 to 64 so far with AMs (ES+Sleep order as well. Partied with about total of 15 different blms (didn't keep count) at that range & seemed like ~10 had their enfeebling still at 100-150 range. Mine is 190 atm, so 8 levels from cap. Shouldn't be too hard to cap it if required by either Dia spamming @ Besieged or at some EM-VT worms (silence first of course)), so I do have a feeling past 65 one is going to use something else, otherwise they aren't really worth of the time.
Forgot to mention that. You're probably right. I started partying there when I was 65ish, so I don't know how good they are pre-65. Past level 67, however, the only way I got any decent xp off of them is by roaming around with a manaburn party. Even then, killing tough/very tough mobs was better than getting no xp at all, I suppose.
Neomage
12-26-2006, 01:30 PM
So I should try to get a manabrn together and fight Dates? Seems kinda low EXP but your right... better then nothing.
Mhurron
12-26-2006, 01:42 PM
When does the manaburning fun start?Um, never? Manaburn parties have been some of the most boring EXP I've ever got.
Maybe it's just me.
Um, never? Manaburn parties have been some of the most boring EXP I've ever got.
Maybe it's just me.
Sleep nuking is boring, which is a very common manaburn setup.
Constantly throwing every tier IV you have at a mob while keeping the mob gravitied and roaming is as exciting as it gets for me as a blm.
Icemage
12-26-2006, 01:55 PM
Sleep nuking is boring, which is a very common manaburn setup.
Constantly throwing every tier IV you have at a mob while keeping the mob gravitied and roaming is as exciting as it gets for me as a blm.
Manaburn parties don't really sleepnuke. You just nuke stuff down so fast that it doesn't have a chance to hit you. At most you'll Stun it once.
It's sort of like watching an American football game. A few seconds of action separated by a lot of waiting... but it's still very effective at gaining XP.
Icemage
I got into this burn party where we'd pull 8-9 wamora insects and a few flying ones all at once. Sleepga them, time out nukes, sleepga again, time next nuke.
It's pretty fun at first but also got sleepy after an hour D:
Um, never? Manaburn parties have been some of the most boring EXP I've ever got.
Maybe it's just me.It's not just you. I hate Manaburns. I did my first one at Lv.50, gained a ton of EXP in about a half hour, and every one I've had since then makes me wanna pull my hair out! I try my best to completely avoid them. I try to build my own parties that include an actual Skillchain in them, but that's become harder and harder these days.
It's not just you. I hate Manaburns. I did my first one at Lv.50, gained a ton of EXP in about a half hour, and every one I've had since then makes me wanna pull my hair out! I try my best to completely avoid them. I try to build my own parties that include an actual Skillchain in them, but that's become harder and harder these days.
:( For me it's the complete opposite. In regular parties, they really limit the blm's potential by not allowing me to cast a lot. It's just the same debuff, cast a damage spell, and the occasional magic burst.
However, with the pudding manaburns that I've gotten into, it's a lot more interactive. All the blms try to compare damage and outdamage each other, and ever since I've gotten my sorcerer's earring, I'm parsing pretty well for having whm subbed. I don't know about you guys, but I just love seeing a pudding's health go from full to nothing in 1 second.
:( For me it's the complete opposite. In regular parties, they really limit the blm's potential by not allowing me to cast a lot. It's just the same debuff, cast a damage spell, and the occasional magic burst.
However, with the pudding manaburns that I've gotten into, it's a lot more interactive. All the blms try to compare damage and outdamage each other, and ever since I've gotten my sorcerer's earring, I'm parsing pretty well for having whm subbed. I don't know about you guys, but I just love seeing a pudding's health go from full to nothing in 1 second.Now don't get me wrong, I love seeing the big numbers and comparing my big numbers against my peers. But as a RDM, a Manaburn is just an enormous amount of work and a huge undertaking for my MP. 6 people to Refresh and pull? Not to mention the last Meripo I had that was a Manaburn didn't gain nearly as much EXP as any other Meripo would have. That was the only time I've ever wished I had Convert /recast Merits, any other time my 950MP more than serves the purpose.
Now don't get me wrong, I love seeing the big numbers and comparing my big numbers against my peers. But as a RDM, a Manaburn is just an enormous amount of work and a huge undertaking for my MP. 6 people to Refresh and pull? Not to mention the last Meripo I had that was a Manaburn didn't gain nearly as much EXP as any other Meripo would have. That was the only time I've ever wished I had Convert /recast Merits, any other time my 950MP more than serves the purpose.
ahh, thought you were blm. Yeah, I'm going to agree with you there. I wouldn't want to constantly refresh and pull for a party either. Rdm + manaburn = {No thanks}
Raydeus
12-26-2006, 04:34 PM
Manaburn is one of the main reasons I'm going to lvl BRD starting next year, I have a really good friend (BLM) so I wanna have some nice Manaburn fun together. :thumbsup:
Duoing as RDM+BLM is really fun too but sadly I rarely get to do that. :worry:
PS > I've been in great Manaburns as RDM, the only thing I regreted was not having BRD sub leveled, but other than that it was really fun and not that different (workload-wise) from what I get to do in a TP burn except that I also have to pull.
Icemage
12-26-2006, 07:13 PM
The problem with RDM/BRD in manaburn is that Ballad takes several seconds to cast, and you lose a healthy chunk of MP (depends on race, but ~100MP at 75). Under normal circumstances, this isn't an issue but for manaburn parties on RDM, you're so dependent on Convert that losing that extra MP really hurts even with Ballad to make up some of the shortfall.
I find myself hard-pressed to do manaburns as RDM/BRD even as a Tarutaru, and I seem to recall tdh is Elvaan, which makes things even more tough due to lower Convert efficiency.
Icemage
hmm i actually quite like to use rdm/brd for mana burn ^^ Assuming there's no other refresher. My role of course is to be refresh ballad whore and nothing else.
If there's a brd, you don't really need Rdm. Just 1 brd 5 blm will do a lot better imo :D
Icemage
12-26-2006, 07:27 PM
hmm i actually quite like to use rdm/brd for mana burn ^^ Assuming there's no other refresher. My role of course is to be refresh ballad whore and nothing else.
Oh, don't get me wrong, it's totally doable as Tarutaru RDM/BRD with decent gear for Convert. But given a choice (since I have both jobs at 75), I much prefer BRD over RDM simply because it's much less tedious. Pulling + 6 Refresh + Blink/Stoneskin + Ballad + Sleep/Bind on pulls + emergency cures is a ton of work. I get a lot more time to think about what I'm doing while playing BRD. :)
If there's a brd, you don't really need Rdm. Just 1 brd 5 blm will do a lot better imo :D
Agreed, though these days at level 75 you only ever need BLMx4 if they all have at least one Ancient II, so things like COR/NIN + RDM or BRD + BLMx4 works at 75.
Icemage
Neomage
12-26-2006, 07:44 PM
At this point I am way beyond wantng to have fun in a party, so much as just getting level 70 so I can do stuff with my friends. I've been stuck in the 65-70 range for a year now and at beat any normal party I get I seem to be gimping the whole party with debuff -> nuke -> cure -> rest while I see a warrior constanly putting out huge numbers... Even the most boring party ion the world would do as long as I can actually hit 70 and start doing things again... Diabolos fight? you need 71. What about ZM5? Sorry, but we only want 75s so we can do this as quick as possible. CoP 5-2? Not unless you can stay in the static untill Apoclypse Neigh. Everywhere I go my just below level is holding me up, and I try and try and can't get out of this rut!
Icemage
12-26-2006, 07:57 PM
Only thing you can do is make friends with other BLMs and try to form your own manaburns when possible. Accept those occasional PT invites - I agree you're going to feel a bit like a gimp because the WARs are dishing out disgusting numbers.
I doubt it makes you feel any better now, but I see the Nerf stick aimed squarely at WAR in the near future.
Icemage
Caspian
12-26-2006, 08:04 PM
Who the hell is telling you that you can't do ZM5 at 68? Trio'd most of the ZM5 fights, and did a couple with 4. Two of which were 75's (whm and rdm), and then me and our nin friend (both 68) destroyed all the fights. You are more than useful at that level. Seriously though, who is telling you you can't?
Other than that, Icemage pretty much nailed it. Only other thing I might suggest is just soloing what you can while you lfp and try to build parties. Its boring, its monotonous, but it'll help make a difference.
Icemage
12-26-2006, 09:12 PM
don't nerf my war D:
Come on, Jei. You know it's coming. :) Every time I see a merit PT forming, what's the first job everyone looks for? WAR.
It's just like the RNG craze a while back, only now people aren't spending 100 billion gil on ammo anymore.
Icemage
Caspian
12-26-2006, 10:31 PM
Nope, now RNG's are spending 100m+ for KC's for burn parties.
Really just want to start doing ammo burns again.
And, Ridill WAR's are just sick.
nanatsu
12-27-2006, 06:14 AM
I'm a noob. What's a KC?
Neomage
12-27-2006, 06:45 AM
Kraken Club. Most expencive weapon in the game, but no-where useful as it's cost. Some even say that it gimps a party if someone has one because it gives the monster extra TP.
Rangers use it because the mob dies so fast anyway, the extra TP don't matter, but it also gives them extra TP for RNG WS.
Caspian
12-27-2006, 10:18 AM
Also highly deadly in the hands of a DRK, especially with Souleater and Bloodweapon up. You want to zerg an HNM, its one of the most effective ways to do it.
Anyway, getting offtopic. Goodluck Onion.
I'm trying to figure out how this conversation switched over to kraken club, but I'm gonna stay on topic.
At this point I am way beyond wantng to have fun in a party, so much as just getting level 70 so I can do stuff with my friends. I've been stuck in the 65-70 range for a year now and at beat any normal party I get I seem to be gimping the whole party with debuff -> nuke -> cure -> rest while I see a warrior constanly putting out huge numbers... Even the most boring party ion the world would do as long as I can actually hit 70 and start doing things again... Diabolos fight? you need 71. What about ZM5? Sorry, but we only want 75s so we can do this as quick as possible. CoP 5-2? Not unless you can stay in the static untill Apoclypse Neigh. Everywhere I go my just below level is holding me up, and I try and try and can't get out of this rut!
{Um...}
You can do plenty of stuff at level 68. I don't know where you get the idea where you should be level 75 to do ZM5. I staticed with my ls and I was only 65 at the time I got sky. As far as CoP 5-2..... you can do that at that level. Truthfully, there really isn't anything holding you at 68, as you can do the majority of endgame stuff at that level.
Neomage
12-27-2006, 05:41 PM
I know I CAN do the stuff, it's just people don't want me for whatever reason. :(
I was told by 3 people that ZM5 is quickest with 4 75s, and I asked if I could just tag along with the 4 and they siad I would slow them down?!? As for Promyvion 5-2, I know the cap is 50(I did everyhting but the megabosses actually) but no-one wants to do it wiht me unless I form a static...
I know I CAN do the stuff, it's just people don't want me for whatever reason. :(
I was told by 3 people that ZM5 is quickest with 4 75s, and I asked if I could just tag along with the 4 and they siad I would slow them down?!? As for Promyvion 5-2, I know the cap is 50(I did everyhting but the megabosses actually) but no-one wants to do it wiht me unless I form a static...
That's really hard to believe. You must hang out with a lot of so called "elitists". Just doesn't make sense to me.
Caspian
12-27-2006, 06:02 PM
A. The first people are morons, complete and utter morons. You can sneak/invis yourself and you could just sit there for the battles while they do their thing and it wouldn't affect them at all. Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of.
B. Sadly, having a CoP static is a good idea. Not just because most people only want to do them with a static, but b/c doing them in pickups can absolutely suck. I've never had a good CoP pickup. Its not even that most of the battles are that hard. It just amazes how bad some people can be at this game. Pickups are really bad at communication in my experience.
A. The first people are morons, complete and utter morons. You can sneak/invis yourself and you could just sit there for the battles while they do their thing and it wouldn't affect them at all. Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of.
More like account buyers. :p I can't see how someone who's hit 75 has that kind of mentality. Sorry.
B. Sadly, having a CoP static is a good idea. Not just because most people only want to do them with a static, but b/c doing them in pickups can absolutely suck. I've never had a good CoP pickup. Its not even that most of the battles are that hard. It just amazes how bad some people can be at this game. Pickups are really bad at communication in my experience.
Couldn't agree more. I'm personally staticing with another high level blm, 75 whm, 75 drk, and a 75 pld. We've been flying through missions and don't have to deal with the bother of random people. Do anything in your power to make a static with some ls friends for CoP.
Shinhiryu_Kage
12-29-2006, 11:07 AM
I played once in a manaburn party with 5 blms and myself as rdm/brd.
I had mixed feelings.
On the one side, I got to pull which was neat to do as a RDM, but then I had to refresh 5 other ppl and cure them if they were being lazy and not keeping up SS or Blink or something. It was extremely mana intensive on my part. In addition, I don't think we even got uber xp. I think it was 5k an hour or so, give or take. This was at LV75 in KRT on Bones.
So, I can attest to that experience being less than savvy. lol
However, I have played as RDM/BRD w/5 Wars and now that was some uber XP up in Sky vs weapons. I think we did avrg of 10k an hour. lol ; ; i miss those days. They were great for building up some uber merit points.
I'm dieing to play in a manaburn party on my new galka. BLM right now is only 1... but the future looks so bright and wonderful for when I finally get ready to play blm. >) ~EG~
I started manaburning way back in the 50s in Cape Triggan (probably spelled that wrong..lol). After that, I pretty much manaburned my way up to 65.
As far as getting a good one goes, I've learned that you pretty much have to make your own. I make sure to check to see if there are enough blms in lvl range every 10 min or so. If you're lucky, it shouldn't take too long to get a good group together.
With blm invites ramping down due to ToAU, most blms who aren't afk are eager to join a manaburn ^_^.
I'll probably be killing crawlers in Mount Z. for a bit longer, but its better than soloing :).
Feenicks
04-20-2007, 12:10 AM
What's with all the necro posts?
necro post?
Take a look at the date of the last person who posted. If you post at least 3 months after the thread's been doing anything, you're considering to be necro-posting, or reviving a dead thread.
Oh, hahahah. Sorry :P I'm new to these forums as of yesterday, I was just going though and posting on stuff I found interesting.
I'll make sure to check post dates from now on ^_^.
Amele
04-20-2007, 09:39 AM
it's not that necro posting is necessarily bad, if you have something more to contribute (it needs to be pretty significant though) to the thread, especially when the thread is a good repository of knowledge for a more esoteric topic. but generally it's frowned on as a way to simply increase post count without *really* making a useful post (this is like saying simply: "Me too!" as a post)
so, if you see a thread that you feel really needs further discussion, feel free to 'necro' it with a useful post (which is sort of what you did here) but make sure that you're actually fueling additional discussion, otherwise it's probably best not to make the post :)
hope this helps!
Achaicus
04-24-2007, 07:31 PM
hm.. 3 months - ok. By the time I post in a thread, I have read every post (in it), and try to put in anything that is new to the thread and that someone might find useful (to the thread). Anyway..
As BRD/RDM, I did some mana-burns. Similar to what has been mentioned before, it is fun at first - but gets to be monotonous. Even so, as far as I know, it is the fastest way to exp as a blm.
I'd say that players might 'short change' themselves from getting a wider variety of experiences if they are doing too many manaburns. For instance, you might miss out learning more about the various jobs and camps at particular levels. Particularly, if BLM is your 1st job to get to mid/high levels.
By the way - for others concerned with the lack of blms - there are a few other party set-ups that give exp about as good as a manaburn that don't use a BLM. And, you 'get your money's worth' because they are actually fun ^^
To answer the OP - I'd say at least at 55 - when Bard gets the 2nd Ballad. Although, I didn't do one 'til about 60 (I didn't even know what they were exactly - I leveled so fast - lol).
It is good to always ask yourself if you actually having fun with your $12.95 ; )
..uh, if fun is what you really want!
- Greg W.
Tsama
04-24-2007, 10:20 PM
tsa
Achaicus
04-24-2007, 10:42 PM
hm.. after some thought & seeing the postings in 'here.' The fun starts as you begin the fist one that you - do.. after that, it is just 'old hat.'
Not the intended answer the OP was looking for- but it seems to be the case (with many of us).
Perhaps, I might 'reverse' the OP question..
What levels will I ~possibly~ be 'stuck' with mainly manaburn invites?
btw - My blm is 40-something (41 or 42 - I forget, lol). I look forward to the challenge of MBs and so on (I was even having fun doing a little MBing as RDM - which is just 38, now).
-Greg W.
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