Parsing my way to 75

[Aether]

Iv'e been DDing bst exclusively since level 37. After hitting 37 soloing exclusively, I decided I didn't like soloing. Most people play BST to get away from the other people. They don't like to have to worry about other people, jump into a camp site, and start exping. I'm the opposite, I love being around other people, I carry on conversations throughout the party(until it interrupts the effectiveness of the party, then I shutup). I am a 75rdm so I wanted to start leveling a DD job.

So here I am with a 17 war, and a 37bst. I want to DD, and I really love the feel of bst. I decide that instead of starting up war, I will just try to DD as bst. I'm level 64 now and I haven't been outdamaged since I started at 37. I parsed my way clear up to 59, then lost my parses. But iv'e started to parse again and this time i'm going to make sure I don't lose them. I thought I would post my parses as I get them. This seems to be the best bst board out there right now. I used to post on alla, but they aren't the board for me anymore.

The point of this thread is to make more bsts aware that they can DD, and they can do it VERY well. One day I hope that bsts can get enough invites to make this worthwhile, as it is now, the only reason I even get invites at all is because I have built a reputation with the people my level right now, and they invite me whenever they see me, somehow I manage to keep up.

I will update this thread as I get more parses, I don't exp very often right now because I recently took a 6 month break, and i'm trying to get back into the feel of FFXI before I start exping a lot. But I do have 3 parses for you. (I try to put as much info as I can in the HTML page for each parse, although i'm going to be putting a lot more from now on).

The pictures are the second best DD or set of DDs in my party.

http://www.unitedwel33t.com/Veg/12-12-2006.html
http://www.unitedwel33t.com/Veg/12-13-2006.html
http://www.unitedwel33t.com/Veg/12-19-2006.html
http://www.unitedwel33t.com/Veg/12-31-2006.html


newest in bold-

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[Armando]

Wow, I'm surprised this got no replies. I'm not a BST, and I understand a great majority of the people who have limited play time turned to BST as a solution, but it did always bother me a bit that so very few BSTs try to explore their (undoubtedly good) DD potential in EXP parties. Anyways, that's some very impressive damage, good job ^^

[Samuzuki]

Sweet whats your gear/ merits like.

[Sabaron]

I don't know what people have against pet jobs in pt... When people see a BST seeking and remark, lolBST, I always say party with one and then say that again. BST has a bad reputation from an old aspect of the game wherein a BST with a Charmed pet (not a Jug pet) would cause a decrease in the party's XP. Now, a charmed pet only affects the BST and I don't think I've ever seen a BST charming for PT even though at some point I would like to. Unlike other pet jobs, BST cannot be gimped as a result of their pet death. Pet dead? Throw another juggie! Plus I have to be nice to BSTs so they buy my Alchemist's Water and Sun Water (coming soon).

[Jei]

I thought charmed pets had always affect only BST. Only exception is when charmed pets were the higher level than everyon else which is not likely what the BST will charm anyway.

Jug pets also used to affect only BST's exp alone. Now they won't affect BST's exp anymore.

[Armando]

Yeah, charmed pets never affected the party.

[Aether]

0 merits besides 22 into rdm type things, ones that don't help.

I usually sub war, but have been known to sub nin, which are both fully leveled to 37.

Wrath Tabar, Viking Shield, Viking axe

Haubergeon, P.charm, spike necklace, 2x Woodsmans, 2x Sun rings, Spiked Fng. Gauntlets, Tiphia sting, Walkure mask, Assault earring, minuet earring, merman's Earring, Swordbelt+1, Life belt, Vanguards belt, Amemet mantle +1, Royal Knight's breeches, sipahi boots, Enks. bracelets.

Using funguar jugs till 65. Then I don't really know what to do. :cry:


So many people tell me that BST endgame is starting to fall behind, the other jobs are being upgraded while BST is not. But from my perspective, i'm more overpowered than a war, take a look at that first parse, his gear is FAR better than mine, basically has HQ of a few of my things and more. Hes the only one to outdamage me alone so far. Since level 37. I add in pet damage though, I don't see the reasoning behind some peoples beliefes that adding in pet damage isn't fair



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[Samuzuki]

Beacuse he is a taru? lol j/k looks like your using macro swap for ws to which is always good.

[tdh]

Charmed pets do effect the party, but not in the way most people realize.

Pet takes a percentage of the BST's EXP, but that pet is also factored in when calculating EXP. If you're in a Lv.60 to Lv.62 party, but the BST charmed a Lv.66 mob it effects the level range. If the BST Leaves the mob a few seconds before the kill, Lv.62 is the highest member when EXP granted is calculated, and the party basically benefits by having a Lv.66 person in the group.

In the early 50's the same BST/NIN kept inviting me to G.C. parties. Guy was awesome. Did pretty good damage himself, and then he would Charm surrounding bats to add to the damage. Kills were fast, and links were never a problem. I have no problem inviting a BST, but honestly I rarely see them seeking. Outside of the Lv.50~52 range with that BST, I've partied with one other BST. That party was odd in itself as we had a BLU/WAR tank at Lv.62. ^^

[RunningDemon]

Pet takes a percentage of the BST's EXP, but that pet is also factored in when calculating EXP. If you're in a Lv.60 to Lv.62 party, but the BST charmed a Lv.66 mob it effects the level range. If the BST Leaves the mob a few seconds before the kill, Lv.62 is the highest member when EXP granted is calculated, and the party basically benefits by having a Lv.66 person in the group.


Not to mention that any BST charming a mob that much higher is a moron that is going to have it uncharm on them within 30 seconds.

[Armando]

Pet takes a percentage of the BST's EXP, but that pet is also factored in when calculating EXP. If you're in a Lv.60 to Lv.62 party, but the BST charmed a Lv.66 mob it effects the level range. If the BST Leaves the mob a few seconds before the kill, Lv.62 is the highest member when EXP granted is calculated, and the party basically benefits by having a Lv.66 person in the group.Are you sure? That sounds odd...I'm almost sure that if the Lv.66 mob touched the EXP mob, the EXP will be calculated based on the Lv.66 mob regardless of wether or not the mob was de-charmed through Leave.

[Liquidedust]

Charmed pets do effect the party, but not in the way most people realize.

Pet takes a percentage of the BST's EXP, but that pet is also factored in when calculating EXP. If you're in a Lv.60 to Lv.62 party, but the BST charmed a Lv.66 mob it effects the level range. If the BST Leaves the mob a few seconds before the kill, Lv.62 is the highest member when EXP granted is calculated, and the party basically benefits by having a Lv.66 person in the group.

No this is wrong sadly, the mob counts as if it has been hit by a level 66 party member if you use a level 66 monster. Mo matter if you leave the mob or not.

The only diffrence with leaving the monster before the kill is that the beastmaster himself doesn't get the 30% exp penalty for having a monster charmed at the death of a monster.

[RunningDemon]

Actually I believe there is only a penalty if the pet does something to get on the hate list of the mob you are fighting. The point is if you are charming a mob that higher than your level in use for a normal exp PT, you are a moron.

The point is, the OP is mistaken in his exp calculations, just for anyoneo not a BST wondering what we are arguing about.

[Aether]

Hey cole, I must say it's a honor to have you post in the thread, let alone to have you on my server. You are my idol even though i'm probably not leveling bst the same as you. I respect you and your ls equal. There should be a thank cole thread around here somewhere :thumbsup:

Also I plan to seek party tonight and tomorrow, hopefully i'll get outdamaged soon, it's really bugging me. I know we have great potential, but my gear isn't exactly top notch, and knowing how to properly change gear sets for ws and change gear depending on mob cons isn't going to let me beat out the light/dark skillchain levels. I'll update if I get any bites.

[Gobo]

Post 65, when Funguar caps, your options are really limited. The easy to get, low budget choice is Carrie, but from a lot of reports, shes more defensive than offensive as a pet. She's still not a bad choice though.

There is Homunculus (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Homunculus), who "caps at 75". It doesn't last as long as Carrie (20 min), but its a bit more offensive. RunningDemon probably knows more about this than most (there is little info anywhere on this guy).

Probably the best choices for pure DD are Panzer Galahad (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Panzer_Galahad), Lifedrinker Lars (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Lifedrinker_Lars) and Chopsuey Chucky (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Chopsuey_Chucky). These 3 are considered among the physically strongest of the jug pets and all 3 "cap at lvl 75". Galahad is the easiest to come by, since its an HQ of a lvl 28 synth. Lars and Chucky are much rarer, since they are the HQs of 73 and 87 synths respectively and the ingredients aren't some of the best drop rates. Also all 3 only last 15 min so you can burn through jugs fast. RunningDemon, again, knows much more than I do about these.

2 rarer ones Voracious Audrey (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Voracious_Audrey) and Ambusher Allie (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Ambusher_Allie) were introduced with Lars and Chucky, however their ingredients are stupidly hard to come by, so little is known about them (other than they "cap at 75", like Galahad, Lars and Chucky and they last 15 min). Info on Audrey would be interesting, since Flytraps have a very low attack delay.

I really only can say what I have read on the net (mainly stuff from Lordwafik, this site and FFXIclopedia). I just hit 40 today so I don't have any real first hand experience with these. RunningDemon will probably correct any mistakes I said, which is good hehe.

(Also if you have Sea, pick up this (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Temperance_Axe) for when you hit 74/75. Its base damage may be lower than other axes, but that occasional double attack makes a nice offhand weapon for TP gain if you /NIN)

[little ninja]

Nobody really invites bst to a party for a few reasons. 1. Brady guide laughed at us as party members. 2. nobody understood that bsts charmed pet didnt hurt them as long as the pets lvl was lower then the highest party members level. 3 they didnt realize that then an only then bsts exp was only effected. An #4. way to many DD,

After your fungar familar. The only choice you pretty much have is C.C. Everything else is either way to expansive to make. or Just doesnt last long at all. The reason why Bst use C.C is its cost effective + duration.

What you will notice is when a bst hits 75 an adds bst affinity merits. They will sometimes switch back to the fungar familars. because the affinity puts them around the same lvl that C.C would have been.

As for me i played Bst to get away from the morons.

[RunningDemon]

Yeah. people will start to kill you WSwise soon, but overall DoT, BST is still king. I have only had the chance to merit on BST once or twice(damn 2 edged sword that BRD is....100 merits, but had to BRD for 98 of them). But for overall damage, between me and the fung/CC I was easily doing as much damage if not more than the WAR and NINs I was with. And these were adaberk WAR, 100+ merit NINs, and BB MNKs.

Once you get BST geared, you will be insane. Myself in PT I run a full 19% haste setup, that leaves my attack around 385 on /NIN. I use offhand Temperance, mainhand Maneater and have Brutal/Beastly earrings on. When I toss on WS gear, it pops up to +55 STR or so and I use the soil gorget since am doing TP burn most of time. My average Rampages are like 700ish, with a high of 1205, which is pretty damn good for not having all the WAR traits and such.

I've never met a DD yet that I felt was killing me in merit PTs, and once you gear your BST properly and toss some merits into axe/crits, you'll blow em away.

[Omni]

Wow, I'm surprised this got no replies. I'm not a BST, and I understand a great majority of the people who have limited play time turned to BST as a solution, but it did always bother me a bit that so very few BSTs try to explore their (undoubtedly good) DD potential in EXP parties. Anyways, that's some very impressive damage, good job ^^

its not that bsts dont try to explore their potential per se, its that you'd be surprised how many times you'd be passed up for other jobs.

the party mentality isnt there yet, and nor do i think it ever will be unless there is a change that gives bst a glaring point of interest. DOT does not interest xp parties. fast tp gain and spike dmg is the main thing that gets you into the pt as a melee.

yes, you can create your own and yes theres some people out there willing to try but honestly, 4/5 times you dont get the chance.

:cry:

taru edit: hardly most bsts are as well equipped as you runningdemon ^^

[RunningDemon]

PS, i 300 TP Rampaged a Boss Slime in Apollyon for 1956? last night.

[RunningDemon]

Was only 1935 on Ghost Clot on the first floor, my bad for exaggerating :p

Next time imma /WAR and use meat, bet I can crack 2700.

[Thoronas]

Hey runningdemon, whats your haste build? I was thinking of working on one but am not really in a Hnmls right now.

Some nice rampage numbers by the way.

[RunningDemon]

Haste build is: Axe of choice (Temp or Maneater)
Turban, PCC, Brutal/Beastly Earrings, Hauberk, Dusk Hands, Rajas/Jaeger Rings, Forager's Mantle, Swift Belt, Byakko Haidate, Dusk feet

It totals out at 19% haste and since I have capped axe merits and all, never felt like i was being outdone with it yet, even if using meat.

[Aether]

This brings up a question for me. I still haven't gotten my divine might earring yet despite being 75rdm for over a year. Which should I choose? I was thinking Supp would help both my bst and rdm, rdm more obviously. But only when soloing/meleeing which I don't do in partys... But Abyssal would help my rdm mage part. Finally, Beastly would help my bst more than Supp I think. So Supp is middle ground, abyssal is rdm, and beastly is bst... Any suggestions or do I kinda have this right?

[Spiritbear]

I know I'm probably going to get burned for asking these but I need to know. I started lvling my bst two days ago I'm now a lvl 14 and partied for the first time as bst the other day.

Anyways, I was curious as to what Parsing meant, how do I macro Reward, and what is an EVM pet?

I started out lvling War then switched to Whm. But the job I have wanted to lvl since I got the game is Bst. Once I got my Whm to 50 I switched over to Bst and I'm not going to switch till I reach 75.

[Aether]

I havent been here for very long, but I don't think asking questions will get you flamed here.

EVM? (maybe EM) means Even Match. Too weak, Easy Prey, Decent Challenge, Even Match, Tough, Very Tough, Incredibly Tough.

I believe reward is, /ja "Reward" <me>

I personally have this as my reward macro

Title: Reward
1st line: /equip ammo "Pet food zeta"
2nd line: /wait 1
3rd line: /ja "Reward" <me>
4th line: /wait 1
5th line: /equip ammo "Tiphia sting"


Parsing in this game means to record all the statistics from a certain period of time, whether it be a whole party session or just one fight.

It will give you the damage every member does so you can compare. Most of the time it's used to better yourself, for bst you could lets say, test to see which jugpet is doing better against a certain mob.

Pop one jugpet, parse its damage, then pop the other type, and see which does more damage, make sure both had the same amount of time to fight, or more simply you can look at the average damage per fight.

It requires you to be on PC obviously, and violate the TOS sadly, you're not aloud to run 3rd party programs. No matter what they are, if they interact with FFXI, and are not released by them, it's against the terms of service.

Just so you know, if you want to party as bst, I would get both nin and war leveled to 37, or at least keep them at half your bst. Depending on the situation, or preference, both jobs are really the only two exceptional subs for damage dealing.

[Liquidedust]

It requires you to be on PC obviously, and violate the TOS sadly, you're not aloud to run 3rd party programs. No matter what they are, if they interact with FFXI, and are not released by them, it's against the terms of service.


Apart from the above quote everything is all and good, parsing is as against the ToS as opening your log files with notepad on your computer.

Since that is basically all a parser does, you can complie the data yourself manually as well since the log files are stored locally on your computer (they aren't encrypted or anything, just formatted a little wierd).

All the parsers really does is complie the text into easy readable lists of data.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

On my last character, I got BST to 15 and never touched it again. Also, I use to frown upon BST's in PT thinking it would never be a worthwhile class to play.

Looks like I'll need a doubletake. w

[Aether]

Never thought of it that way. I guess you could technically run the parser or do it manually after closing FFXI. But to do it while it's running requries you to be running windower, which is against the ToS.

[Aether]

updated.

vs a byrnie war66 and a corsair (forgot to get screeny of equip)

both outdamaged me but not me + pet :cry:

[Spiritbear]

Thanks for the macro Aether it worked great. I also tried out my 2 hour the other day in a pt and it was awesome. I played with a pt of noobs (me and one other member had subjob) and I played puller. The only reason I had my pet while in the pt was becuase we were fighting a lizzie in the dunes and one popped right where we were fighting and linked. We were fighting an IT and the pop was also an IT. So I did the only thing I could think of, I charmed it and had it fight the other lizzie. My pet uncharmed and started to attack me so I charmed him again and 2hr him. It was interesting when all the noobs started to bombard me with question about bst. And then everyone that happened to run by would /t me that my pet took exp away from pt.

[Spiritbear]

What does MPK mean??? I see it on alot of the post here but I have no idea what it means. I have a guess but I would rather know for sure what it is??

[Aether]

monster player kill

When someone uses a NPC to kill another player. It's very difficult now after the patch that also happened to ruin a key thing for bsts.

[Spiritbear]

How did it ruin key thing for BST??? What was the key thing it ruined??

[Jugil]

How did it ruin key thing for BST??? What was the key thing it ruined??
In December 2005, SE introduced a patch that made mobs despawn (excluding NM's) once they were removed from their natural wandering area, and hate is completely lost. The key thing here for BSTs is the Leave command. If you Leave a pet outside of its range, it will despawn.

Prior to the Dec. '05 patch, some camps required BSTs to pull mobs outside of their wandering range (e.g. the Bostanieux Oubliette camp near the Ronfaure zone). Also, it was nice to be able to drag pets to a camp and set up what was referred to as a "zoo": your own personal collection of pets you can swap in and out.

After the patch, some camps were no longer possible (such as the Oubliette camp mentioned above), as the mob would despawn 10 seconds after "Leave". Additionally, setting up a "zoo" outside of your pets' ranges would result in the same scenario. Now, you can't bring your "zoo" to you, you have to camp within or close to pets natural wandering ranges.

Some old camps are now obsolete, but most have been adapted to accommodate the changes made in the patch.

With all that being said, there have been some benefits with the patch, one being that pets are now easier to convert (i.e. take T or DC pets and killing/despawning them until they return as EM's).

Edit: It should be mentioned that the initial intent of the patch was to prevent MPK's.

It also had the benefit of causing mobs to despawn when people zone aggro. Prior to the patch, in areas like Yhoater, Garlaige, Crawler's Nest, etc. when people would zone aggro, everyone in the camps near the zone lines would have to zone out also or fear the wrath of aggro mobs wandering back through.

Sometimes, parties would be "stuck" outside of such zones while the aggro mobs moved away from the zone line camps. Sometimes people would be outside these zones for 15-30 minutes just waiting because people would inevitably zone back in too early, people coming from inside rezoning the mobs, etc.