Spider-Dan
11-04-2006, 01:48 AM
Crossposting from here (http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10414) to preserve this valuable data before it gets lost permanently:
First, the data.
The tests were done with a Naked 75COR, a Naked 75NIN and a Naked 75BRD/RDM or RDM/BLM (he swapped). All readings were taken from fresh recasts of the spell, with Shot applied at point of casting where appropriate.
3 Numbers are listed for each debuff - first is before debuff, second is after debuff, and third is after quick draw. Where multiple sets are listed, I did multiple tests for whatever reason. First thing to note is that the effect is not random - it affects the same spell the same way each time as you will see.
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Hyoton: Ni:
Fire resist 0 -30 0
Fire resist 0 -30 0
Light Threnody: Light resist 0 -50 -50
Bio I:
Attack: 321 304 288 (95%) DoT enhanced from 3>6
Attack: 321 304 288 (95%) DoT enhanced from 3>6
Attack: 321 304 288 (95%) DoT enhanced from 3>6
Dia II:
Defense: 145 130 122 (53%) (Forgot to check DoT enhancement)
Defense: 145 130 122 (53%) (Forgot to check DoT enhancement)
Bio II:
Attack: 321 288 272 (48%) DoT enhanced from 7 > 10
Attack: 321 288 272 (48%) DoT enhanced from 7 > 10
BLM/RDM Slow vs Utsusemi:NI
Recast: 45 52 57 (71%)
BRD/RDM Carnage Elegy vs Utsusemi:NI
Recast: 45 1:07 1:07
Recast: 45 1:07 1:07
BRD/RDM Battlefield Elegy vs Utsusemi:ICHI (incase some cap was being reached)
Recast: 0:30 0:37 0:37
Recast: 0:30 0:37 0:37
BRD/RDM Carnage Elegy + Slow vs Utsusemi:ICHI
Recast: 0:30 0:50 0:53 - only affecting the slow9
Frost:
Agility: 75 75-9 75-13 (44%)
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Most important things learned from this:
1. Quick Shot no longer effects Bard songs at all. Big uber mega Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad . I am pretty certain this was "fixed" because I am _almost_ 100% sure it used to when I first reached 40, and the firsts HNM's I faught as COR, bards could not reapply their elegies before they wore off, because the enhanced one was "stronger" than the originally applied one - this is no longer the case (as the bard was able to reapply elegy after I earth shotted). I used to use it on elegy with bard all the time in exp, maybe it was just placebo. It works on slow though, so not entirely wasted. These days, I just use it on Dia, and I will have to rethink using earth shot on HNM's Sad
2. Quick Shot's effect on Ninja debuffs is actually negative - as far as I can tell it removes the elemental resist debuff. This is retarded, and I would like to test it differently only I had no other tools on me. Hyoton is Ice based, but perhaps the debuff element of the spell is water based, as it reduces fire resist? I only had Ice cards to test with, no fire or water, but I think I may be clutching to straws.
3. The effect it has on debuffs is not consistent, even between tiers of the same spell. It is however consistent on the exact same spell, which is quite confusing. Take Bio and Bio2. The effect of Dark shot on Bio1 is almost a 100% increase in effect. 321 304 288 (-17, -33), effect increased by 95%, and also interestingly, 288 attack is the same amount that a BioII drops his attack to without being enhanced. That is to say in terms of Attack down, Enhanced Bio I = Non-enhanced Bio II. But, in terms of DoT, it does not. Bio1 naturally does 3/tick damage, enhanced does 6. Bio2 does 7/tick naturally, and that goes to 10 with enhancement.
4. Enhanced spells count as a tier higher than they are.
Enhanced Dia1 is greater than Bio1 and Dia2
Enhanced Bio1 is greater than Dia2 and Bio2
Enhanced Dia2 is greater than Bio2
By greater than, I mean that if you cast Bio2 over an enhanced Dia2, it will not overwrite Dia2 (but it will still do the initial damage).
Quick Draw not affecting elegy is fucking loss.
First, the data.
The tests were done with a Naked 75COR, a Naked 75NIN and a Naked 75BRD/RDM or RDM/BLM (he swapped). All readings were taken from fresh recasts of the spell, with Shot applied at point of casting where appropriate.
3 Numbers are listed for each debuff - first is before debuff, second is after debuff, and third is after quick draw. Where multiple sets are listed, I did multiple tests for whatever reason. First thing to note is that the effect is not random - it affects the same spell the same way each time as you will see.
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Hyoton: Ni:
Fire resist 0 -30 0
Fire resist 0 -30 0
Light Threnody: Light resist 0 -50 -50
Bio I:
Attack: 321 304 288 (95%) DoT enhanced from 3>6
Attack: 321 304 288 (95%) DoT enhanced from 3>6
Attack: 321 304 288 (95%) DoT enhanced from 3>6
Dia II:
Defense: 145 130 122 (53%) (Forgot to check DoT enhancement)
Defense: 145 130 122 (53%) (Forgot to check DoT enhancement)
Bio II:
Attack: 321 288 272 (48%) DoT enhanced from 7 > 10
Attack: 321 288 272 (48%) DoT enhanced from 7 > 10
BLM/RDM Slow vs Utsusemi:NI
Recast: 45 52 57 (71%)
BRD/RDM Carnage Elegy vs Utsusemi:NI
Recast: 45 1:07 1:07
Recast: 45 1:07 1:07
BRD/RDM Battlefield Elegy vs Utsusemi:ICHI (incase some cap was being reached)
Recast: 0:30 0:37 0:37
Recast: 0:30 0:37 0:37
BRD/RDM Carnage Elegy + Slow vs Utsusemi:ICHI
Recast: 0:30 0:50 0:53 - only affecting the slow9
Frost:
Agility: 75 75-9 75-13 (44%)
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Most important things learned from this:
1. Quick Shot no longer effects Bard songs at all. Big uber mega Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad . I am pretty certain this was "fixed" because I am _almost_ 100% sure it used to when I first reached 40, and the firsts HNM's I faught as COR, bards could not reapply their elegies before they wore off, because the enhanced one was "stronger" than the originally applied one - this is no longer the case (as the bard was able to reapply elegy after I earth shotted). I used to use it on elegy with bard all the time in exp, maybe it was just placebo. It works on slow though, so not entirely wasted. These days, I just use it on Dia, and I will have to rethink using earth shot on HNM's Sad
2. Quick Shot's effect on Ninja debuffs is actually negative - as far as I can tell it removes the elemental resist debuff. This is retarded, and I would like to test it differently only I had no other tools on me. Hyoton is Ice based, but perhaps the debuff element of the spell is water based, as it reduces fire resist? I only had Ice cards to test with, no fire or water, but I think I may be clutching to straws.
3. The effect it has on debuffs is not consistent, even between tiers of the same spell. It is however consistent on the exact same spell, which is quite confusing. Take Bio and Bio2. The effect of Dark shot on Bio1 is almost a 100% increase in effect. 321 304 288 (-17, -33), effect increased by 95%, and also interestingly, 288 attack is the same amount that a BioII drops his attack to without being enhanced. That is to say in terms of Attack down, Enhanced Bio I = Non-enhanced Bio II. But, in terms of DoT, it does not. Bio1 naturally does 3/tick damage, enhanced does 6. Bio2 does 7/tick naturally, and that goes to 10 with enhancement.
4. Enhanced spells count as a tier higher than they are.
Enhanced Dia1 is greater than Bio1 and Dia2
Enhanced Bio1 is greater than Dia2 and Bio2
Enhanced Dia2 is greater than Bio2
By greater than, I mean that if you cast Bio2 over an enhanced Dia2, it will not overwrite Dia2 (but it will still do the initial damage).
Quick Draw not affecting elegy is fucking loss.