View Full Version : So, i don't think i understand tiers
I get the fact that your % chance of HQ is capped at a certain point, depending on which tier you belong to:
0-10 levels above recipe level: 1-2% capped HQs over time
11-30 ----> 10% cap HQ
31-50 ----> 25% cap HQ
51+ ------> 50% cap HQ
If i'm 31 levels above a craft level, would i have a better chance of HQ if i was 32 levels above? I guess i could say this:
if i want to make a level 10 synth, for example, and my crafting level is 41, do i have a 25% (max % chance based on that tier zone) or is it something like 11%, and as i increase my crafting level, my HQ chance increases and is capped at 25%?
This is relevant to me because i'm at 92 cooking, and i don't really want to pay to level it anymore unless i get some good returns. I'm 31 levels above the item i want to craft, am i good? :P
Caspian
10-25-2006, 10:24 PM
You're fine, once you reach the next tier there's no increase in HQ returns until you reach the next tier.
You're fine, once you reach the next tier there's no increase in HQ returns until you reach the next tier. i see. thank you.
Caspian
10-25-2006, 10:48 PM
Keep in mind that advanced synth support at Veteran rank gives +3 skill, that combined with the 3 GP items will give you +6. If you're 100 in a skill that means you get another tier on lvl 95 and below for tier 1, lvl 75 and below for tier 2, and lvl 55 and below for tier 3. Woodworking at 100 is huge because it makes hitting tier 2 for elemental staves possible. I'm not sure what the big high crafting level cooking money maker is, but there is a possiblity that its the same way.
Well, 95 is the Rice Dumbling. It's only 10% chance however. This thing is pretty profitable already even without HQ so I guess any little HQs helps.
And you seriously don't want to HQ Tavnazian Salad if you're making taco ._. I hate seeing HQ so much when I was a taco whore.
75 is the Dhalmel pie and celerity salad... not sure how the market for these 2 are. But beeing 100+1 for Squid Sushi HQ isn't bad.
And 55 stuff, you get the uber beaugreen sautee and egg soup. yay.
Yea actually i was counting on the +3 from veteran support. So technically if i craft in windurst i'm at 95. which means anything 64 or below i can HQ2 with reasonable success.
I honestly don't see myself going too much higher. i might burn all the flint caviar i made to make tonosoma rice balls to get myself to 94. although i dont know what purpose that would serve.
also, when i was at cooking level 90 but i didn't turn in the promotion item, was my +skill from adv synth support <3? I thought it was +3 for any level.
Caspian
10-26-2006, 12:42 PM
Artisan and below only gets 2 levels from advanced synth support. Once you take the test and get Veteran rank (so it can be as early as 88) it changes and will give you 3 levels.
Really? I thought it's always 3.
LyonheartLakshmi
10-26-2006, 01:26 PM
I haven't explicitly tested advanced image support on my support crafts. But I have tested the belts which give image support as enchantments. And it turned out to give +3. I tested this with a Tanner's Belt on my Bonecrafting mule, who has 60 Leathercrafting.
i made some melon pies a few nights ago when my cooking was at level 90, but i hadn't turned in the test item to get to the next rank.
I used lizard eggs, and did a total of 84 synths with advanced support. 4 broke, so i had 80 successes.
Of those 80 successes, 16 were HQs at skill level 90 + advanced support (which should be 2?)
The recipe cap level was 62. so that means advanced support would put me up to 92. But i had a 20% HQ rate, which is higher than tier1HQ. So doesn't that mean i had to be at 93 when i made the pies, and that is the 31+ 25% max HQ rate zone?
Caspian
10-26-2006, 03:18 PM
No GP gear? Thats odd. Might want to post that test on BG's forums. I think either one of the posters there made the claim, or it may have even come from Studio Gobli. I'll check into it further though.
No GP gear? Thats odd. Might want to post that test on BG's forums. I think either one of the posters there made the claim, or it may have even come from Studio Gobli. I'll check into it further though. BG forum? My evidence does directly refute that claim because i had no GP gear, but i've always been told that it's +3 regardless. In fact, this was the first time i've heard it as +2 or less for skill < 90.
Caspian
10-26-2006, 03:28 PM
www.bluegartrls.com Just be wary of the overflowing elitism that usually diffuses through your monitor.
I'd always heard it was +2 regardless even if you were 90+ until I looked at their crafting forums.
Ofcourse I'd also heard that neither synth support helped at all with HQ rates.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Synthesis_Image_Support
Regular image support raises your skill by 1, and, with the exception of the fishing guild for which advanced image support only raises your skill by 2, advanced image support raises your skill by 3.
That's how I always understand it too. It's always 3.
Taskmage
10-26-2006, 04:13 PM
I always thought it was always 2. >_>
Caspian
10-26-2006, 05:06 PM
Lol, see all the fun stuff with leveling crafting?
Quick, Jei go check out Gobli, TM and Mav you have BG duty, me, well I'll stay here at work and kill some time doing this and that.
GO!
I do know that at veteran rank it gives +3, b/c at 100 with +6 from gear and adv. synth support you can get tier 2 with HQ staves. Known a few ww'ers who do this for money and regularly hit the 25% HQ range.
Taskmage
10-26-2006, 05:15 PM
Are you sure it isn't +1 gloves, +1 apron, +2 moghancement, +2 support? I've been wondering exactly how much my moghancement: cooking gives, but I've been too lazy to test it.
Caspian
10-26-2006, 05:23 PM
Furnishings only give +1. Regardless of elemental strength from what I understand.
Icemage
10-26-2006, 05:27 PM
I can confirm that furnishings give only +1 (unlike other crafters, we fishermen used to have the ability to test these things empirically, since we could tell from our fishing recast timers before the fishing system was changed).
Icemage
wait, how do i get +1 cooking for moghancements? ^.~
i don't have any furniture, so that wasn't gimping my results either.
Caspian
10-26-2006, 08:31 PM
wait, how do i get +1 cooking for moghancements? ^.~
i don't have any furniture, so that wasn't gimping my results either.
The GP furniture, when its the strongest in your MH, will give the moghancement for that craft. +1 nomatter how much elemental support you give it. Cooking also gets +1 skills from the two GP equipment, as well as the NIN only katana. So really, at 100 you can get level 107.
level 57 requirement i see, for the "Hocho." Unfortunately my NIN is staying at 37. FOREVER. LoL :)
While i have everyone's attention:
Has anyone else noticed that the 0% new moon days are alternating between iceday and firday forever now? check out http://ffxi.lokyst.net/timer2/crafttimer.html and project the next 1000 days or something.
Taskmage
10-26-2006, 11:00 PM
The katana is +3, so if theories about guild support and moghancement strength are correct, it would be 109, which would be high enough to break the last tier on wizard cookies.
Caspian
10-26-2006, 11:07 PM
oh, nm then, don't know why I thought it was only +1.
109, thats just sick.
Icemage
10-26-2006, 11:34 PM
Has anyone else noticed that the 0% new moon days are alternating between iceday and firday forever now? check out http://ffxi.lokyst.net/timer2/crafttimer.html and project the next 1000 days or something.
This has been true since the game was first started; it's not a new phenomenon.
Icemage
This has been true since the game was first started; it's not a new phenomenon.
Icemage What? for some reason i thought there were other new moon days. Oh well. i guess i was wrong then? hmm that seems strange.
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