View Full Version : 1-30 is really frustrating and boring
the_ultimate_shadow
10-07-2006, 11:06 AM
i am currently 11, and i want to get to 30 so i can get a fun job, but to be honest, im getting bored and frustrated! im trying really hard not to cancel my subcription! sometimes i can't even get myself to touch the damn thing, i want a fun job, but the road to get there SUCKS! ok, im done venting...
Raydeus
10-07-2006, 11:26 AM
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the_ultimate_shadow
10-07-2006, 11:49 AM
yea....im not looking for a power leveling service....i just thought i would vent to get my frustration out
hmm try to stick with 1 job and get to level 20 first I guess. Try to meet people and talk to them. Make friends, get into LS. That's when the game gets better.
If at the end you really can't get yourself to enjoy this game, don't worry. If you don't like it, you don't like it.
the_ultimate_shadow
10-07-2006, 01:12 PM
well im sticking with warrior right now, i mean i like it, but its just, personally i think its completely stupid that u have to unlock the advanced jobs. if you could start out as a ninja, i would be perfectly happy its just....yea...
Trust me, you don't want ninja that doesn't know how to play in your party... The job's already an advance job but we still have tons of ninja that don't have a clue.
Ameroth
10-07-2006, 01:26 PM
The reason you need to unlock advanced jobs is in their names itself: ADVANCED. The last thing we need is a noob nin saying: "whats ustusemi?"
Trust me, it is a daunting task getting to level 30. But the hardest part (IMO) is valkurm dunes. Get through level 20, or maybe even 18 or 19, and you can start going to Qufim Island. Leveling picks up a little around there. Hang in there. But if you just find yourself getting repeatly angry with the game... maybe you don't have the patience for FFXI. It's not a game that can be played through in a short amount of time.
I wouldn't even level ninja as my first main job. Very expensive and quite difficult.
the_ultimate_shadow
10-07-2006, 01:49 PM
well i might as well quit, cause the only job i really wanna play ninja
Ameroth
10-07-2006, 01:50 PM
Your choice buddy. No one's forcing you to play.
the_ultimate_shadow
10-07-2006, 02:09 PM
no, its not that, its just...annoying me that everyone is tell me i cant play ninja cause its too expensive, i think that, im just looking for some motivation to get through 1-30
Raydeus
10-07-2006, 02:13 PM
yea....im not looking for a power leveling service....i just thought i would vent to get my frustration out
Oops sorry, I thought you were making fun of those threads that got locked. :wasted:
About advanced jobs, you can't really know if you are gonna like a job until you try it, I've seen many players start as one job (very convinced about it if I may add) only to find out another job was much better for them.
You'll need WAR sub for your NIN anyway so might as well lvl it now. The good thing about XI is that you can try any job you have unlocked anytime you want.
NIN consumes a lot of gil so you need to find a way to get a steady income if you are planning on leveling the job (or any job for that matter, is just that some like NIN are a bit more expensive).
Also, there are many things besides leveling in this game, so you gotta see all the other stuff that's in the game before you decide if you really like XI or not.
One thing is certain though, this game takes a lot of time, and you wont get your first job to 75 in at least 6 months. So keep that in mind. :thumbsup:
Aksannyi
10-07-2006, 02:15 PM
What server are you on? I know it probably doesn't mean much but if you happen to be on Hades you can send me a /tell in game anytime if you need help or just something to do ... and I could probably hook you up with a pearl for the LS I'm in.
Seriously, if you want to play Ninja then go for it, yeah it's expensive and yeah it's challenging, but if that's what you really want to do then no one is stopping you. It does suck to level in the early stages of the game, but once you get subjobs unlocked, Chocobo license, a few missions done, and even Kazham access things start looking up. I think if you have that goal then stick with it. When I started I oringally wanted nothing more than to be a Summoner, but started as Red Mage just to get me there. Well ... I've got Summoner unlocked, but it's level 9. I'm a hardcore Red Mage till the end ... so don't be surprised if your expectations change while you play, too.
Also if you are on Hades and want help doing the Ninja quest or getting to Jeuno or whatever, I'll be glad to help out. :)
Of course if you're not on Hades there's not much I can do but I'm sure you'll find someone.
the_ultimate_shadow
10-07-2006, 02:20 PM
You'll need WAR sub for your NIN anyway so might as well lvl it now. The good thing about XI is that you can try any job you have unlocked anytime you want.
NIN consumes a lot of gil so you need to find a way to get a steady income if you are planning on leveling the job (or any job for that matter, is just that some like NIN are a bit more expensive).
thats what i like to hear, anyways, thanks for the advice, i am really trying to stick in there until i unlock some advanced jobs, its hard though, but im trying. im tempted to be a healer, cause i've never been that role(in my previous MMO expeirence) if i decide on healer, should i go whm, or rdm? and ...how do i solo to 12 or so with a healer? just beat them over the head with a stick :P
thats what i like to hear, anyways, thanks for the advice, i am really trying to stick in there until i unlock some advanced jobs, its hard though, but im trying. im tempted to be a healer, cause i've never been that role(in my previous MMO expeirence) if i decide on healer, should i go whm, or rdm? and ...how do i solo to 12 or so with a healer? just beat them over the head with a stick :P
For low level mage leveling you'll do best bare handed. The clubs and staves only hold you back.
Raydeus
10-07-2006, 04:14 PM
thats what i like to hear, anyways, thanks for the advice, i am really trying to stick in there until i unlock some advanced jobs, its hard though, but im trying. im tempted to be a healer, cause i've never been that role(in my previous MMO expeirence) if i decide on healer, should i go whm, or rdm? and ...how do i solo to 12 or so with a healer? just beat them over the head with a stick :P
I'd pick RDM, but that's because my highest job is that. :biggrin:
That's another good thing about leveling WAR, you can go as WHM/WAR or RDM/WAR and just mass murder EP-EM till lvl 12, just get some attack food like Beef Jerky and get an Empress Band to boost your XP, you'll get lvls fast even as a WHM. :thumbsup:
The general rule that has worked for me at those lvls is to fight mobs that don't require you to heal yourself while you are fighting them because that will slow you down. With the way XP is now fast EP-DC kills make better XP/HR than going after EM mobs.
Also, if you pick either WHM or RDM you'll need BLM as a sub for when you party, so your best bet is level the 3 jobs to lvl 10 at least (it's fast) besides RDM shares spells with WHM and BLM so most of the spells (and some gear) you get with one job will help you for the others.
the_ultimate_shadow
10-07-2006, 04:23 PM
couple things, one how much is that band? and two i dont know what all those "em mc rf" are...i dont know like any abbreviations and i dont have sub jobs unlocked yet, i start this game like a week ago and i JUST hit 12 with war
Nerotu
10-07-2006, 04:25 PM
no, its not that, its just...annoying me that everyone is tell me i cant play ninja cause its too expensive, i think that, im just looking for some motivation to get through 1-30
you want motivation?
COME ON MAN!! You can do it! We're all rooting for ya!! I've got a crowd outside my house just shouting your name!! W00000!!
Anyway, I know how you feel. I just started tonight lol (just got the game) and it sucks being low level, especially when I was lvl10 BLM in the XBox 360 Beta :(
Raydeus
10-07-2006, 04:38 PM
couple things, one how much is that band? and two i dont know what all those "em mc rf" are...i dont know like any abbreviations and i dont have sub jobs unlocked yet, i start this game like a week ago and i JUST hit 12 with war
-You can buy the Empress Band from the guard who gives you signet in any town, when you talk to them one of the options is Spend Conquest Points, you buy the Empress band with 1000 Conquest Points (CP).
You have to equip the band and then wait some time 15 second or something, then you can just use it from the Item menu like you use food or anything else.
The band will give you a +50% bonus to the XP you gain for either 1k XP bonus or 3 hours, whatever happens first.
- EP and all all that stuff is the description that appears when you Check a mob.
From weakest to hardest:
TW or TWTBWW - Too weak to be worthwhile (I just say too weak)
EP - Easy Prey
DC - Decent Challenge
EM - Even Match
T - Tough
VT - Very tough
IT - Incredibly tough
Impossible to Gauge (I haven't seen anyone saying IG though) This is only used on Notorious Monsters of any lvl it doesn't necessarily mean the mobs are stronger than you.
Keep in mind that this only tells you how low or high lvl they are compared to you, but in most cases a DC mob could be IT to you depending on your job and your play style only, so only experience will tell you which mobs are stronger and which are weaker.
Icemage
10-07-2006, 10:21 PM
For low level mage leveling you'll do best bare handed. The clubs and staves only hold you back.
Wha...?
Most mage jobs have no hand-to-hand skill, which means you won't hit very often, nor very hard. Also, without native skill in H2H, or at least some skill in it from a Monk subjob you only get to hit with one fist, not two, and you can't equip any claw-type H2H weapons at all (and remember the OP is level 11 and does not have a subjob available yet!)
For starting white or black mages, a decent pole is your best bet, and for starting red mages, a 1 handed sword is the way to go in the early levels.
Icemage
Taskmage
10-07-2006, 10:35 PM
I'm pretty sure he was joking ... granted rather dryly.
I'm pretty sure he was joking ... granted rather dryly.
No I was not. Yes, your skill will be lower but if you sub MNK of even WAR, you get enough to land hits on EP just fine and it will deal better damage than clubs and staves. Just like when leveling NIN. You deal at least twice the damage of the L1 katana bare handed.
Murphie
10-08-2006, 03:04 AM
Maju speaks the truth. It makes those first few mage levels go by so much faster.
No I was not. Yes, your skill will be lower but if you sub MNK of even WAR, you get enough to land hits on EP just fine and it will deal better damage than clubs and staves. Just like when leveling NIN. You deal at least twice the damage of the L1 katana bare handed.
This actually works with THF as well. Sub MNK to THF if you already have subjob quest done. It makes it SO MUCH more faster than trying to wield a sword/dagger + shield.
Icemage
10-08-2006, 07:03 AM
Maju speaks the truth. It makes those first few mage levels go by so much faster.
For those first 5-6 levels it works OK. After that your accuracy drops like a rock unless your job has native hand-to-hand skill. And again, only works well if you're /MNK to acquire that oh-so-important Martial Arts trait - which is not possible for new players who don't have support jobs available to them.
Icemage
Omgwtfbbqkitten
10-08-2006, 07:11 AM
No I was not. Yes, your skill will be lower but if you sub MNK of even WAR, you get enough to land hits on EP just fine and it will deal better damage than clubs and staves. Just like when leveling NIN. You deal at least twice the damage of the L1 katana bare handed.
File Under: "High levels giving bad advice."
Take this guy's path and you've cheated yourself of weapon skillups and weaponskills for your job. Not only that, when you go to start a new job, you won't have those weaponskills to fall back on, you still won't have them skilled.
Go with the best weapons for your job as soon as you can equip them:
Monk - Hand-to-hand weapons
Warrior - Axe and Great Axe
Thief - Dagger and Sword
White Mage - Clubs and Staves
Black Mage - Clubs and Staves
Red Mage - Swords, Clubs or Staves.
As far as the road to advanced jobs goes, yes it sucks, but just because they're advanced jobs doesn't mean those first six are any less worthy of consideration. Red Mage and Warrior in particular can end up being every bit as advanced as "advanced jobs" are.
Both jobs can enjoy a wide array of subjobs for various situations. RDM tends to use BLM or WHM in parties, but can use NIN for solo and even WAR or DRK for solo and PvP. /SMN for high level functions, too.
WAR usually goes /MNK, /THF or /NIN. But /SAM is starting to look really good for it too, /RNG is nothing to sneeze at, either.
I've been on the fence between WAR and NIN for my third job on my mithra. NIN is fairly expensive and I already play Ranger and Corsair, which arguably spend more than NIN per level on tools and ammo. WAR is less expensive overall, yet, I want some degree of soloability on my mithra and RNG, COR and WAR do not offer that to me - NIN does.
To offset the costs I'm facing, I have to look to other jobs to play at times. I do this by soloing Beastmaster, soloing/farming as DRG and doing BCNMs because when you solo jobs, beastmen seals often fall into your hands.
Cost is a very important point to consider with jobs, people are by no means telling you to avoid NIN to discourage you from playing it, its just VERY expensive (and thus, time-consuming) for a player making it their first main to 75.
Anyway, back on track. Before you get to the advanced jobs, SE wanted you to get a grasp on the original jobs and get a feel for their functions. Advanced jobs are only as advanced as the player, meaning if you're a NIN who never really learned to tank as low level WAR, your NIN won't amount to much.
Who gives a damn about staff or club skill anyway? Mages never melee so it doesn't matter if you miss out on the early skill levels.
Omgwtfbbqkitten
10-08-2006, 08:28 AM
Who gives a damn about staff or club skill anyway? Mages never melee so it doesn't matter if you miss out on the early skill levels.
WHM/THFs in KRT PTs would beg to differ.
the_ultimate_shadow
10-08-2006, 10:51 AM
well, what i will probly end up doing is bouncing back and fourth between NIN and DRG, i will probly try some other class's, and i still need to try out mages, so i think until i hit 30 im just gonna keep an open mind on what class i will pick
Murphie
10-08-2006, 11:51 AM
WHM/THFs in KRT PTs would beg to differ.Can I file this under high levels giving bad advice to newbies too? The 20 or so levels of weapon skill that you miss out on during your first ten levels of leveling aren't going to affect your ability to melee in a KRT party later on in the game.
Icemage - I guess. It has worked for me every single time I've leveled a lowbie, which has been more times than I care to count. And yeah, you need a MNK sub for it to work. Maju already pointed that out. If someone who didn't have a MNK sub tried this and then complained that it didn't work, that would be their fault for not paying more attention.
/MNK with H2H works best for someone who already knows a little something about the game, or who has a subjob already available. Or you can just sub /WAR and eat meat and use a Hammer/Shield combo. That certainly does the trick as well.
There isn't one specific strategy that all players should use.
Can I file this under high levels giving bad advice to newbies too? The 20 or so levels of weapon skill that you miss out on during your first ten levels of leveling aren't going to affect your ability to melee in a KRT party later on in the game.
LOL Murphie I agree with you, this is exactly why I had to put my little warning at the top of my thread:
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/ninja/61718-building-dd-ninja.html
Because I just know that there's an 80% chance someone is going to come in with level 75 TP Burn scenarios and start giving advice about that when I really don't care about that and might not even level NIN past 40 anyway...
Oogami
10-08-2006, 06:19 PM
With the "I want it, and I want it *NOW*, and I prefer not to work for it" attitude, and wanting to play Ninja of all the jobs, while not knowing anything about the amount of work that is required to support playing one (ninja tools expenses do really add up...)
Something is not right when a person needs external motivation to play a game.
the_ultimate_shadow
10-08-2006, 07:44 PM
With the "I want it, and I want it *NOW*, and I prefer not to work for it" attitude, and wanting to play Ninja of all the jobs, while not knowing anything about the amount of work that is required to support playing one (ninja tools expenses do really add up...)
Something is not right when a person needs external motivation to play a game.
oh no, trust me, i know it will be alot of work, and its not a "i want it i want it now", its a, i have to play a class i dont want to for 30 levels...its sucks, and im getting their, have you ever heard the saying if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all....well that applies here
Oogami
10-08-2006, 11:53 PM
You obviously do not know how much work it entails as, the first thing you will need as a Ninja is a Warrior sub-job, that you'll have to level to 37 anyway.
As for "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", follow your own advice by not starting a rant, or saying that things suck, and bla, bla, bla. Did you even say anything nice? sheesh...
fallenintoshadows
10-09-2006, 01:47 AM
When you get 30+ you'll see that the first 30 levels were a piece of cake. Leveling is leveling and you can only really make it funner by pting with friends or your linkshell. If leveling is getting that boring then do something different for awhile, a couple of missions, quest some armour you need and then back to the dunes for more leveling. It's hard work but that's the whole idea, you put in hard work and you get rewarded by being able to unlock advanded jobs. Take your time when you're new, make friends because undoubtly you'll need them later on to help you out. Especially with the nin quest. A lvl 30 will get pwned trying to solo that. So take your time, learn as much as you can and don't think of it as just leveling is boring. There's a lot more to the game than getting that extra level.
Likibiki
10-09-2006, 03:17 AM
Aye, FFXI isn't easy, especially in your first few months of playing.
Once you get a linkshell and a few friends, it's a lot more entertaining and easier to get help/advice - but until then, you're kinda on your own.
Just stick with it, hopefully you'll start to appreciate the game more in the upcoming weeks :)
DeathFromAbove
10-09-2006, 04:26 AM
methinks that instead of coming onto FFXI and complaining, one would instead take his rant time to actually go and LEVEL, get it over with, and shut the *$#@ up.
^_^ - DFA
fallenintoshadows
10-09-2006, 09:43 AM
methinks that instead of coming onto FFXI and complaining, one would instead take his rant time to actually go and LEVEL, get it over with, and shut the *$#@ up.
^_^ - DFA
Actually, methinks If I were new to a game, had some things I was wondering about i.e if leveling got any easier/better I would take it to a good forum and ask.
This thread is welcome here, if you don't like it, don't post in here.
Icemage
10-09-2006, 09:59 AM
Icemage - I guess. It has worked for me every single time I've leveled a lowbie, which has been more times than I care to count. And yeah, you need a MNK sub for it to work. Maju already pointed that out. If someone who didn't have a MNK sub tried this and then complained that it didn't work, that would be their fault for not paying more attention.
Agreed, but what I've been trying (painfully) to point out is that the original poster is level 11, and doesn't have a subjob and won't for a little while, so suggesting that they use hand-to-hand when they can't sub Monk is, in fact, very bad advice (because they're... well... new... and most likely won't know that it won't work unless someone tells them).
/MNK with H2H works best for someone who already knows a little something about the game, or who has a subjob already available. Or you can just sub /WAR and eat meat and use a Hammer/Shield combo. That certainly does the trick as well.
There isn't one specific strategy that all players should use.
Absolutely. As long as you have a few levels of Monk available as a subjob, H2H with /MNK is a good strategy all around for those early solo levels (especially for higher-strength, higher-HP races like Elvaan and Galka who really see dividends from those extra few stat points early) for experienced players. It still works even for my Tarutaru character, though I do have to invest a bit more in +STR gears and food to make it pay off well.
Icemage
the_ultimate_shadow
10-09-2006, 11:01 AM
levelings gettin better and better, its not as boring now, as i have been making friends to talk to, and gettin more gear, and i just got the empress ring so that will make leveling not as bad, i also got a pearl for a LS so that helps alot
Vyuru
10-09-2006, 12:39 PM
oh no, trust me, i know it will be alot of work, and its not a "i want it i want it now", its a, i have to play a class i dont want to for 30 levels...its sucks, and im getting their,
Yeah, I kinda know where you're coming from, the only job I was really excited to play was dragoon, of course back in the day invites for my warrior dropped off at level 27 because everyone wanted to invite the new advanced jobs people were getting at that level, so I had to go and level red mage to 30 instead ^^
Hang in there! Ninja is coming around the corner!
Oh, and when you get to Qufim, instead of leveling off of pugils, I would recommend the goblins in Delkfutt's Tower, much easier for slightly faster and more dangerous exp thanks to dropped goblin bombs.
Malevolent
10-09-2006, 01:03 PM
Yeah Just hang in there kiddo. best advice i can give you is lvl a job you think is best suited for your advanced job you want to take. even if it sucks it will benefit you 10 fold in the future. I hated lvling War also but i lept at it so my Nin will be the best it can be. If you find it lvling war to be trouble some lvl mnk or thf. Monk was a awesome break from War basically Bubbly Bernie was my BLIOTCH! Whenever i felt like massacuring something i'd switch to MNK and go 100 fist BB.
Also if you're getting a lil exhausted from front line battles...lvl whm, blm, or thk, mnk anything that will take you away from being the 1st guy in and usually the last one out.
lvl 1-10 spells are very in expensive for whm and blm.
but in your recent post i'm glad things are in the up and up for ya. if you were on fairy i'd most def duo with ya to release some steam:vent: lol :rofl:
Vyuru
10-09-2006, 05:25 PM
Monk was a awesome break from War basically Bubbly Bernie was my BLIOTCH!
Hahahaha, that brings back the days of farming Bernie. Glad I'm past that stage.
Now the Crawler Guardian is my spawned NM of choice :D
All your silk threads are belong to me! Makes leveling weaving easier :D
Balfree
10-10-2006, 02:35 AM
I think all has been said after this.
Something is not right when a person needs external motivation to play a game.
:-O...
Ryouken
10-10-2006, 02:32 PM
We'll, coming from somebody who wanted to play as SMN when they first got the game, I know how you feel.
But you'd be surprised what you can discover by playing other jobs, when I was leveling my standard jobs (WHM, WAR, THF...) I actually took a liking to MNK, and am now making it my first job that I'll lvl to 75.
Just give some of the other jobs a chance and if you don't find anything else interesting, just bear with it and try to get to lvl 30 with one ASAP.
Good luck (I'm not giving up on SMN though, planning on doing the Avatar Prime battles once I get to 60 with MNK and get my full set of AF.)
Theyaden
10-12-2006, 05:29 PM
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Clever Ninja
10-13-2006, 06:28 AM
Honestly, I dont think many people who pick a melee class they would decide to get to 75 first before buying the game actually do it. I decided I was gonna level NIN, but got WAR to 37 and loved it. Now I'm only taking NIn to 37(maybe 40 for BCNM's), as well as SAM, for subbing purposes for WAR.
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