P.charm?

[Brayden]

Greetings,

Im in the market now where I can currently afford a P.charm. (price 6 mil) However with so many alternates for neck slots these days (Chiv. Chain etc) do you think this item has lots its real worth/vs price? I know it's easily an end game item, but Im curious what other Drks think about this.)

[Omni]

No. Chivalrous chain will do you better.

I dont think P.Charm is worth it at any time. Accuracy is so easy to come by these days.

[Ingrel]

Personally, I don't really have one myself, though I have occasionally drooled over the thought of it. I can't really afford the pricetag on it and I still haven't stepped much into the BCNM world, save for a couple of failed BCNM20s (Wings of Fury, most of you have probably guessed) that hasn't helped my view much of it. But otherwise, really, I've functioned just fine without it.

I suppose an alternative if you have a medium-high level willing friend or job of your own is to try and hunt Argus down somewhere in the Maze of Shakhrami for a Peacock Amulet. Just be prepared for long waits and other campers, I suppose.

[Aeni]

As you get higher and higher in level, your weapon skills will also increase. Your accuracy should not be a problem in exp situations. However, in end game, it might be a factor against high level monsters (About 8-12+ levels higher than the player in question)

But here's a truth that never change:

(1) IF a melee can actually inflict appropriate amounts of damage to negate the loss in mp through healing and other cost associated with this strategy, then this melee does not even need acc as much as he/she needs +STR and other stat boosting effect which directly contributes to melee damage and weaponskill damage.

(2) IF a melee is not able to contribute meaningful damage, then he/she should not be meleeing in the first place. This truth is quite evident especially with monsters that inflict massive amounts of damage if TP is given to it through rapid succession of melee strikes that are incapable of scaling in damage with its magic counterpart (Mother Globe is a perfect example)

Either case, in 90% of instances with end game, you're seeing a rapid diminishing return for an item that gives strictly +acc bonuses in comparison with an item that can give additional bonuses as well (RG Collar is a prime example of something that gives a lot of bang for the buck)

The only class that should even remotely think about getting this item are classes that strictly benefit from the +racc end of the item (RNG, SAM/RNG, THF/RNG, COR/RNG)

[tdh]

I'm with Omni here. Peacock (Charm|Amulet) may be worth it for RNG or PUP, but outside of that I don't think it's worth it.

I used to want one of these so I could eat Meat Dishes in the 60's with a THF sub. Well on the rare occasion I can eat Meat Dishes now, I pull way too much hate, and my Acc is already pretty solid with Acc+40 with gear. I'm using a Ryl. Guard Collar (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/1797), and it serves me quite well for TP Build, and is quite a bit cheaper than a Peacock Charm! lol

Pass on it, and spend the 6M on something else. Hauby, Hauberk, Lv.40 Acc Rings, HQ weapons, or something else.

[Omni]

I'm with Omni here. Peacock (Charm|Amulet) may be worth it for RNG or PUP, but outside of that I don't think it's worth it.
I used to want one of these so I could eat Meat Dishes in the 60's with a THF sub. Well on the rare occasion I can eat Meat Dishes now, I pull way too much hate, and my Acc is already pretty solid with Acc+40 with gear. I'm using a [url=http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/1797]Ryl. Guard Collar, and it serves me quite well for TP Build, and is quite a bit cheaper than a Peacock Charm! lol
Pass on it, and spend the 6M on something else. Hauby, Hauberk, Lv.40 Acc Rings, HQ weapons, or something else.

I wouldnt even buy this for my rng. Personally I like my free Rangers necklace, which is better since it gives me 5 rng atk in addition to 5 rng acc. I have so much acc its stupid. Gearing more rng atk and str now.

Like tdh said, take that 6 mil and buy yourself worth while equips. Haub, Flame rings, Foragers Mantle, etc. All that for an extra 5 acc is pointless when sushi has you covered, and then some.

[eticket109]

No. Chivalrous chain will do you better.
I dont think P.Charm is worth it at any time. Accuracy is so easy to come by these days.

I fully agree. The chain is only a few ticks lower as far as accuracy goes and the other stats, esp. the STR more then make up for it.

[Brayden]

Cool, thanks for the input everyone.

[TheTruth23]

After completing DRK as my second job ( BLM75 for 3 years ) I would never trade my PCC for anything. But then again when you already have everything I guess it's a non-issue. PCC for TP build and Snow / Breeze Gorget for appropriate weapon is the shit! To answer your question for you no. Seeing as it would break you to buy it and you still have neccessary purchases ex. Flames, Hauby/Berk, etc. It's funny the people dissing the PCC though. With 10 ACC on the neck which is 5 more than any other it allows your gear aside that to be so much different.

[Drive]

Normally the best people to ask are the ones with what you want. Nicely put TheTruth23.

[Omni]

lol, 5 acc is nothing. how many people out there dont use sushi? especially as a drk. why equip a piece that only gives acc when you already have enough acc as it is. Pcc is just a luxury/status item when it comes to xp pts. For end game, it has its uses since mobs are so much higher in lvl. Otherwise, the returns you get on 5 acc are next to nothing if you didnt have that extra 5 acc.

I own a pcc too. I rather equip something else like chilvarous chain than pcc.

If aiming for 100% accuracy is your goal, you will sorely be disappointed. anything above 80% acc just becomes pointless when it comes to an xp party.

[tdh]

Yeah, Acc+5~6 isn't going to be that much of a difference breaker for most DRKs. I'm still using the Ryl Collar for TP, and the 6 Acc difference from the PCC just doesn't seem to be worth it for me. Maybe once I'm Lv.75, and the off-hand chance I'll be allowed to do End-Game work as DRK and not RDM, maybe it would be worth it for me.

I'd love to have 100% Acc, but isn't the most Acc we can have 85%? I've never parsed myself (PS2 player still.), and I've yet to party with somebody who runs a parser to let me know just how much damage I can do, and what kind of Acc I have. I very rarely miss back to back, and even with out Absorb-TP I have little problems keeping up with a THF in TP, maybe even beating them if I Double Attack.

This is just no longer an item I have any interest in. For SAM I plan to grab some Specs (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/1801), but they're considerably cheaper than PCC. PCC is 6M, while Specs are only 1M~1.3M. I can raise that kind of gil in two or three days if I actually set off to do it. Too bad WAR and DRK can't wear the Specs.

[Aeni]

If aiming for 100% accuracy is your goal, you will sorely be disappointed. anything above 80% acc just becomes pointless when it comes to an xp party.

I can see in a long fight situation, where 1 missed swing every 15 swings (Do the math if the total swinging amounts to over 1,000 and missing 1/15 can greatly affect your standing in the dps charts)

However, I go back to what I posted above.

-If you can actually melee on an HNM, then acc isn't an issue.
-Even if you hit the HNM, if it's only 10dmg, you got other issues and the LS as well, for even letting you melee in the first place.

[TheTruth23]

I don't intend this to be rude, but some of you posting in this thread are full of crap. I gotta thank I have a good rep on my server and don't have to deal with some of you. I'll leave it at this. I see why DRK is referred to as lolDRK. So many idiots play this job. :worry:

[eticket109]

PCC is nice enough but I don't think it's worth the money.

I never used RA so the +10 to RA is useless. That leaves +10 to ACC.

So I have two main choices:

STR +3 STP+ 3 ACC +5 for free after a few assaults or roughly 600k

vs

ACC +10 for roughly 6+ mil or hours of camping

I can easily make up the +5 to ACC with Sushi or other gear if it ever really matters but it doesn't imo. The STR and STP outweigh the +5 to ACC as far as I'm concerned.

In the end it comes down to the age old ACC vs ATK vs STR argument. There is no right answer between the two pieces. Just because someone doesn't choose the one you do doesn't make them 'full of crap' or an 'idiot'. For the most part this was a positive discussion til you came back in tossing the flames around because someone doesn't agree with you.

[Aeni]

I don't intend this to be rude, but some of you posting in this thread are full of crap. I gotta thank I have a good rep on my server and don't have to deal with some of you. I'll leave it at this. I see why DRK is referred to as lolDRK. So many idiots play this job. :worry:


If being l33t = being a better player without skills, then no, you're not that great. Having a rep for having the best gear =/= being the best player there is. There's a different between someone who's a gilbuyer and someone like Avesta.

[Hell-bottom]

I don't intend this to be rude, but some of you posting in this thread are full of crap. I gotta thank I have a good rep on my server and don't have to deal with some of you. I'll leave it at this. I see why DRK is referred to as lolDRK. So many idiots play this job. :worry:
it's not lolDRK it's loltaruDRK . go eat some proteins .

[Hell-bottom]

TheTruthe23, please answer my question : if you're that amazing and (as you say) have it all and done it all , how come you choose to use P.Charm over a Justice Torqe ? just out of curiosity :wtf:

[Radel-King_of_Pirates]

I don't intend this to be rude, but some of you posting in this thread are full of crap. I gotta thank I have a good rep on my server and don't have to deal with some of you. I'll leave it at this. I see why DRK is referred to as lolDRK. So many idiots play this job. :worry:

:huh: Just because people don't drop all they have for one doesn't mean they are "idiots" If they can afford one then they can drop eatting sushi and increase att or the can go the other way and still eat sushi. Just because there are the drks that can't afford top notch equip doesn't mean they are "idiotic" just the drks that bash others because they have opposite opinions on their choice of fashion. But to me PCC can be of use for a few jobs of mine but hey thats what I see.

Rad

[Radel-King_of_Pirates]

TheTruthe23, please answer my question : if you're that amazing and (as you say) have it all and done it all , how come you choose to use P.Charm over a Justice Torqe ? just out of curiosity :wtf:

:eek: err well counts on if drk using Scy, G-sword, G-axe, or doin twin swords, axes and so on, only works if using a scythe. . . and I rather have the Ryl Gaurd collar but if works for you bro go ahead lol

[Hell-bottom]

DRK without a Scythe {/Laugh} i wont sacrefice my scythe for the world ,even if the LS or PT told me to change to GS i will not {Mhaura}hahahah

[Tisaragi]

As with all things in this game this game the answer to this question changes depending on many factors. Such as what other types of gear you use, food, sub, weapon, etc. Merit wise a sub like war you can pull more hate than most tanks can hold. So you don't really need to spend 6mil on more acc unless you just have nothing else to spend your gil on. If you have max gear in all the other slots or wanna run a weapon other than scythe or gs then by all means buy it.