WTF? (PLD drama)

[Illuen]

Ok, so I am leveling in CN today, 42 (800exp from 43) hoping to get to 44, cause Regen II is calling my name. We are fighting crawlers, and I notice the strangest thing: Our PLD has decided not to use her MP. Now we have a COR, casting Healers and Evokers on me, and evokers on the other MP users in the party, so MP shouldn't be a concern. our Puller accidentally grabs a Exoray in addition to our next crawler, which starts attacking me.

I keep my self alive, when I notice that the PLD has refused to cure me, or help me from my goal of not dying. So I get deadified, and the rest of the party follows suit, in the process stringing them across CN for me to raise <.< . So, once the mobs depop, I reraise, and get to a raising. The PLD died with full MP. I figure it is a fluke, or she panicked, so I just wait.

I call a higher level PLD LS best friend to come watch, and to spend time iwth me (she is taking a break from FFXI, so we've been taking every oppertunity to hang out ingame). Anyways, so the puller gets another link, which my PLD friend grabs. I am healing the party and keeping an eye on her, because the exoray still clocked as a DC to her. Anyways, after the battle with our mob, i notice the PLD still has full MP.

So the next battle, I decide, along with a few other party members, to do an experiment. We decide that I won't heal her, and see how long it takes her to heal herself.

Apparently, she starts healing herself at 34 HP. She barely manages to live (I might of been wrong in doing this, but i was more than a little annoyed with her, letting me die without trying to help). We then have a talk inthe chat, I explain to her I was trying to help her get hate (she was having trouble keeping hate, cause she /never cured/!) and she got bitchy. We pull, and then I get attacked by a Water elemental. I die, without the PLD curing me, of course, and then I get this from her:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Illuen/Raynebitch.png

We end up doing pretty well, as a party minus her. I level, and then some, and everyone else does good, so happy ending, but I don't see why some people are so stupid! *sorry for ranting*

[Icemage]

We've seen a few horror stories like this here lately. When you run into idiot PLDs who don't know that they can cure themselves, let them die with full MP. Teaches them quick.


Icemage

[Illuen]

Yeah, that is basicly what I almost did. And the whole party, minus the PLD (of course) and the THF were with me, they understood. The THF was just kinda clueless the whole time, but he wasn't bad, so I ignored him (he couldn't time his SATA well, though)

[Cherryneko]

Wow, that was seriously a bitch. "whats wrong couldn't heal yourself" is a comment that deserves her getting slapped in the face by a wet fish. It'll hurt, AND make her smell like raw stinky seafood.

My PLD is only 22, but I use my MP all the time, as well as Refresh drinks on occasion. I cure myself, as well as other PT members who happened to have grabbed hate. I'm NEVER full, even with overzealous healers trying to keep me out of yellow HP. To me, this seems to be common PLD sense, but I guess I was wrong.

I also remember being in parties with Paladins who never used their MP, and they wonder why they have problems keeping hate. I've told them to use it to keep hate, and they've used the advice, but that n00b Rayne seems to be a lost cause.

[dirtyclown]

*lolrant goes here*

I lol'ed really hard. At you. Spoilers: The world is filled with retards.

[Icemage]

I lol'ed really hard. At you. Spoilers: The world is filled with retards.
Spoilers: This site has moderators who don't appreciate those who act like retards on the forum. Kindly stop abusing other forum members.


Icemage

[Celeal]

Maybe that pld got PL all the way to 40s~ ... who knows~

[Cherryneko]

Maybe that pld got PL all the way to 40s~ ... who knows~

Seeing as I just read a topic about PL's, I'm surprised I didn't think of this myself. XD But you're probably right. Sounds like another result of being babied through the lower levels.

[dirtyclown]

Spoilers: This site has moderators who don't appreciate those who act like retards on the forum. Kindly stop abusing other forum members.


Icemage

Further spoilers: It was a joke. Quick question though, Jim. Are you the one who keeps editing my posts without giving a reason?

[Icemage]

Further spoilers: It was a joke. Quick question though, Jim. Are you the one who keeps editing my posts without giving a reason?

"Oh, haha sorry that was a joke."
... Not on my watch, buster.

I always leave a note when I edit posts. But thank you for the uncalled-for accusation. Would you like to take this to PMs, or shall I escalate matters?


Icemage

[Mog]

/gets popcorn ready

[dirtyclown]

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3252/winrarbj2.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winrarbj2.jpg)

[Icemage]

Decision noted.


Icemage

[Illuen]

/gets popcorn ready

Pass me some of that *hands you Twizzlers, Pretzels, and Mountian Dew*

[FranckKnight]

Hmm, I must say as a PLD that I have been in parties where it was near useless to cure myself. I'm not saying the PLD was right in this thought, it was plain stupid.

No what I mean is sometimes you keep a watch on your own HP, and the WHM is practically curing you faster than you can do it, so you'd just be wasting your MP.

But that doesn't mean I wouldn't heal the others when needed. Just saying that sometimes the party dynamics calls that you don't really need to cure yourself through the fights. Watching over your teammates is the least you can do in that situation.

[Illuen]

I, usually, do not heal a PLD normally until their HP gets dangerously low. I know that, for them, it is a great way to grab hate, and I've been in parties before where plds have not had a chance to heal themselves. I just think it is crazy to A) not use your MP when your entire party is in serious danger and B) volunterily let the WHM dies. I love PLDs, I think they are more reliable tanks than NIN, personally, which is why it makes me sad when I party with one so bad x.x

*slightly off topic, where did you get your signature? I've been looking for one like that myself, to show off how completely n00bish I am :P*

[FranckKnight]

I, usually, do not heal a PLD normally until their HP gets dangerously low. I know that, for them, it is a great way to grab hate, and I've been in parties before where plds have not had a chance to heal themselves. I just think it is crazy to A) not use your MP when your entire party is in serious danger and B) volunterily let the WHM dies. I love PLDs, I think they are more reliable tanks than NIN, personally, which is why it makes me sad when I party with one so bad x.x
*slightly off topic, where did you get your signature? I've been looking for one like that myself, to show off how completely n00bish I am :P*


Made it myself ^^ I was inspired by the PyroElf signature, and created my own, which was then tested in the fanwork section of this site. Its held on another site, so I just need to update the picture on that server, and its automatically updated on every site that I use it on ^^

I can distribute the Photoshop file of it, so its easier to edit. For those that do that, I propose that they change the backdrop picture and the server avatar pic, for a bit of originality ^^

[Illuen]

And, how much gil would I have to pay you for you to send me it? :)

[Loial]

Especially if you have good MP regen in the PT, the PLD's MP should never stay full for very long. They should be curing themselves and others within reason to keep hate. At 42, keeping hate is probably cake. Flash/Provoke alone probably can keep the mob glued on the PLD. But, that doesn't mean you shouldn't expend your MP. Its there for a reason.

[Illuen]

Well, let me put it this way. We had a COR who constantly kept up Evokers and Healers, and (except for when people died) we literally had no downtime. After we started a new party and got a new PLD, we tore through everything, and I never had my MP go under 300.

[Raydeus]

There are situations where healing yourself doesn't give you too much hate, specially when you have WHMs who like keeping you at 90%+ HP. In my case I usually tank using Flash, Voke and abilities only (but that's lvl 37+).

That being said, if your WHM (or any mage) is getting hit only a really bad PLD would expect them to heal themselves, since it would bring even more hate on them. That's why in those situations the PLD has to Cure the mage (or other party member), not only to keep em alive but also to regain the lost hate.

Also, before Flash (and Cover for emergencies) the only tool other than Voke we have to get hate are Cures, so before lvl 37 there's no reason not to use MP healing yourself.

I can understand a PLD not wanting to use too much MP pre Refresh, specially if the mages are getting Refresh songs/rolls. But not using MP at all, specially when someone in the party is dying is a really bad sign.

[Illuen]

Hate to necrobump my own post, but, out of the blue today, I got a tell from this PLD. I'd not talked to her, not messed with her, and since we were in different cities, I can only guess she put me on a list of people to be vindictive twords.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Illuen/img_0173.png

Blisting is fun :)

[eticket109]

Yeah that convo confirms the retard-ation. Part of me thinks that with a bit of communication in party you guys could have worked it out. The rest of me knows that probably wouldn't have accomplished anything either. In the end, disagreements work both ways but they seem to bear the brunt of the responsibility. Like you said... /blist is the way to go.

[tdh]

Wow... How many days after was that?

I've run into some PLDs who seem to think their MP is just there for show. PLD with 1300HP, and hasn't spent a single MP on Cure and they have 400HP. I've gone through that same experiment. "Let's see how far this bozo will go before they actually Cure themselves." I wasn't asking for them to use ALL of their MP to keep hate and keep themselves alive, but hell, spend at least 100MP a fight so your mages aren't hemorrhaging MP. Guy wouldn't even try to top off his HP AFTER the fight was over.

Another PLD I ran into in a TP Burn party was PLD/NIN. Was doing decent damage, but wouldn't even cast Flash to help the person tanking at the time evade a hit or two. Guy finally managed to pull hate, had full MP (Since I kept the joker Refreshed at all times for some crazy reason.), and was down to 120HP before he bothered to cast a single spell. I was some how blessed to Merit with this guy a comple of times. Their damage output wasn't bad, but they could have at least kept themselves alive. /sigh

Of course there's the other extreme at times. People that spend more MP than they really need to keep hate because far too often mages have let them down. Or they know what it's like to be an awesome DD and having to hold back because the tank can't keep the mobs attention. lol

[DakAttack]

I like how you exchanged job-based burns. From the Paladin's point of view I could totally see you acting like a Blm, and the Paladin is being pretty emo about the whole thing. I just think the whole thing is pretty funny.

[Illuen]

tdh, it was just at two weeks afterwards, and myself having no futher altercations with her.

Dak, how am I "acting" like a BLM? I never had asked her to be a Main Healer, IMHO, just that she take the time to heal herself. I seriously didn't get that comment. It isn't like I was "overnuking" Cures, except when i had to to keep people alive because she couldn't keep hate.

[DakAttack]

Actually, the Blm stereotype has sort of transferred to Brds. Blms used to be know-it-alls, bossy, and always had a high and mighty attitude. Now Brds seem to be the king of knowing what everybody should be doing better than the people who are doing it and telling them all about it.

[Murphie]

That of course, has a lot to do with how parties put them on a pedestal, and will generally bend over backwards so as not to lose them.

I'm not one of those people, but I've definitely seen them.

[Aeni]

Oddly enough, I didn't see no drama with the OP post, but the ensuing thread development afterwards.

This thread delivers. Drama I meant.

[Murphie]

Isn't that generally what people mean when they say that?

[Illuen]

Oddly enough, I didn't see no drama with the OP post, but the ensuing thread development afterwards.

This thread delivers. Drama I meant.

I try my best to be less than dramaful, but, unfortunately, drama loves me like a ninja loves his sushi.

[dirtyclown]

Hate to necrobump my own post, but, out of the blue today, I got a tell from this PLD. I'd not talked to her, not messed with her, and since we were in different cities, I can only guess she put me on a list of people to be vindictive twords.

Remember this?


Spoilers: The world is filled with retards.

[Aeni]

I try my best to be less than dramaful, but, unfortunately, drama loves me like a ninja loves his sushi.

Oh, trust me, that comment wasn't directed to you personally. I just mean that the threads usually start civil, even if the thread is suppose to have drama (intended in the OP) and then when it seems like we're at a point of neutrality/common ground, it goes off tangent and becomes a flaming drama-filled activity (including who can post faster than the other contests) which actually serves to increase the popularity of said thread.

If this was a Nielson Rating, this would be "Lost" in the WHM forum.

[Illuen]

Oh, trust me, that comment wasn't directed to you personally. I just mean that the threads usually start civil, even if the thread is suppose to have drama (intended in the OP) and then when it seems like we're at a point of neutrality/common ground, it goes off tangent and becomes a flaming drama-filled activity (including who can post faster than the other contests) which actually serves to increase the popularity of said thread.

If this was a Nielson Rating, this would be "Lost" in the WHM forum.

Oooh, Can I be Sun? I love me some Sun. :D I get what you're saying, though, and I knew the comment wasn't directed at me, so all is well :D

(BTW, the new show Heroes is 100 times better than Lost :D)

[eticket109]

I like Heroes but I'd probably put it at a tie with Lost. Lost is great one week and great but damn annoying the next week so who knows. Studio 60 is probably my favorite show right now though.

[Illuen]

You must admit, however, that Hiro is simply the greatest television character ever created. Ever.

[xiozen]

Hmm, I must say as a PLD that I have been in parties where it was near useless to cure myself. I'm not saying the PLD was right in this thought, it was plain stupid.

No what I mean is sometimes you keep a watch on your own HP, and the WHM is practically curing you faster than you can do it, so you'd just be wasting your MP.

But that doesn't mean I wouldn't heal the others when needed. Just saying that sometimes the party dynamics calls that you don't really need to cure yourself through the fights. Watching over your teammates is the least you can do in that situation.

And ur a PLD... umm, a nice effective way to keep hate... is to use ur MP... even when ur being over-cured... but as a PLD you probably already know that..... >_>''

So I guess there's no reason to mention that to use your mp to cast high lvl cures would "add" hate so that the mob stays stapled on you... even if the WHM or other healer accidentally casts a high lvl cure your way.... but as a PLD you probably already know that..... >_>'' So I guess there's no reason to mention that .... right? Even with others over-curing you.. right?... yea...

I usually suggest to ppls who "over cure me" as a PLD to "relax and save your mp" and to cure me when I get in the yellow or orange or very low on MP... then I can see how "over curing" becomes a necessity...but as a PLD you probably already know that... >_>''

[Karinya]

And a cure that lands for 0 gives you 0 hate, but as a PLD you already know that, right?

Hate from cures is dependent on the amount cured, the monster's previous hate for the person being cured, and the curer's +/-enmity. Cure V has less hate than normal, either it has an inherent -enmity added to the caster's own, or an extra factor in the equation.

[Geto]

On behalf of the PLD community, I apologize you had to bear witness to that idiot.

Did he/she even Flash at all? What a n00b cake. You had all the right to do what you did to teach a lesson. Though I would have taken a less dramatic approach then hanging him/her off a building for their life lol.

[Rai]

Illuen, what server are you on? That PLD was basically a terrible PLD because she could not time her cures and instead of working at it until she could time them properly she just gave up.

If a PLD can not time their cures and do their job properly they should not give up on part of the job, like curing themselves for hate, and to easy WHM MP drain. They should quit the job entirely.

[Illuen]

Illuen, what server are you on? That PLD was basically a terrible PLD because she could not time her cures and instead of working at it until she could time them properly she just gave up.

If a PLD can not time their cures and do their job properly they should not give up on part of the job, like curing themselves for hate, and to easy WHM MP drain. They should quit the job entirely.

I'm on Fenrir, on which I've had mostly fantastic experiences with PLD, in fact, I have some fantastic ones on my LS, which is part of the reason this one pissed me off so much. I'm glad to know that I am not alone in my WTFery :)

[Eauijhkuu]

I personally think that situation could of been resolved alot easier than just neglecting to do your main duty; when PLD cuts their slack, and the WHM cuts their slack, the party overall are the ones who are going to suffer. I think you should of asked the PLD in a tell at the least if he wouldn't mind curing to keep hate, if it was that much of a problem
And if things didn't work the way you thought, then I think a /kick or /disband would be in order.

But yeah...That PLD...needs to be shot...for not doing what a PLD should do.

Parties have been annihalated because one person was unhappy with something that someone did, and so, the entire party suffered for it.

For me:
Terrigan Cape.
Me (THF), DRK, PLD, RDM, RDM, BLM.

one RDM is designated as main healer, which was Asked consent before they accepted the invite.

Later on in the party, RDM wasn't healing PLD, or giving PLD Refresh. But instead, decided that it's better to melee crabs for 2 points of damage. PLD Nearly dies since other mages are trying to nuke etc.

The DRK parleyed with the RDM...RDM got attitude. DRK kicked the RDM so that the party wouldn't be endangered.

Some people will argue that some EXP is better than none, but for the sake of my own sanity when dealing with idiotic
If people won't cooperate for the betterment of the party, what's the use in partying?