Stone-Splitter's low DMG

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is it possible to make this weapon's DMG more realistic?
Stone-splitter (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6710) DMG71 (with latent active) is VERY much low compared to other lances with base 90s DMG.
Axes have Maneater (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6702) with DMG:49 , which is almost the same DMG as most axes of it's level.
Daggers have Blau Dolch with (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6709) with DMG33, which is too have almost the same DMG of daggers of it's level.
Great Katana have this Onimaru (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6690) with DMG83, once again almost the same (or more) DMG than Great Katanas of the same level.

can this Couse be fixed or something? if it have low DMG because SAM can equip it too, well... SAM can equip Leviathan's Couse (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/8018) too (DMG:89)

[Drive]

The stone-splitter is a spear type polearm not a lance. It's like comparing the damage of a bastard sword to a rapier.

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........ Dreizack is a Triton and have a Lance DMG
Leviathan's couse is NOT a lance and have a lance's DMG...

[Anaki]

seq look at the delay. the delay of stone splitter is less then that of a lance it has 396 delay a spears delay. while leviathans couse and dreizack got like 480 and 477 that of a lance

[nanatsu]

Seq there are two polearm types in the game regardless of how they look. Lances and Spears. You can tell which one is which by the delay. Low delay/Low dmg polearms are Spear types. High delay/High dmg polearms are Lance types. It's like comparing the difference between a Great Bow and just a Bow. Higher delay weapons equal greater DMG rating. If Stoneplitter had higher DMG but kept its delay its DoT would be insane and probably the best weapon in the game. Stone-splitter is obviously a weaker type of Polearm and is not a Lance type. Check out this link and look under Polearms to see what I mean.

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/weapons.php

There are two types there. The dmg/delay ratios for both types are fairly consistent. Also note that most Lance types cannot be equipped by any job other than DRG with only a very few exceptions.

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yah, fix the DMG/Delay... make it usable.
Lance or spear it's not the problem, why other weapons don't have such a problem?

[Omni]

i guess you didnt bother reading what everyone clearly pointed out to you.

a fix means something is wrong with it.
there is nothing wrong with it. dmg/delay are consistant.

just because you dont like it doesnt mean it needs to be fixed.

and actually polearms have a good dmg rating for their levels. most the time, polearm is the highest dmg weapon for that particular level when compared with their 2h counter parts.

[Legal Fish]

At its current stage, it is unusable. That is wasted content. Raising the delay and damage is very reasonable. One of the many weaknesses DRG has is the lack of good weapons.

[Omni]

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drg has great weapons, just look them up in ffxi.somepage.com

their dmg ratings are pretty good. the weaknesses does not come from the weapons, it comes from the weapon skills and other equipment. drg weaponskills and great armor is whats different. but you need to understand, you also have your wyvren dealing damage too. to give a drg all the goodies other melees have and give them a pet... would be totally unbalanced.

stone splitter, when unlocked is the highest dmg spear around. i dont see how it is usable. if you want a low delay polearm, this is the one to use when unlocked.

now, you can ask se for a latent effect lance... that might be what youre asking but to change the delay and dmg on this spear is pointless...

if you want a spear with lance dmg and lance delay for that lv. go get mighty lance or an ice lance.

[Icemage]

DRG's problem has never really been raw weapon damage. It's more a problem of a lack of useful weaponskills beyond Double Thrust, and a lack of useful party boosting that plagues the job. DRG damage over time is quite good.


Icemage

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the latent is active at less than 100TP,
the 4 weapons comes as in a set, from the same ENM (or similer ones) and all 3 owns except this one it's total crap.
they all have the same Attack+18 & Accuracy+5
they all own as their base DMG is the same or more than their class's DMG of the same level EXCEPT this couse, very very low DMG.

their dmg ratings are pretty good. the weaknesses does not come from the weapons, it comes from the weapon skills and other equipment
in a party i don't see my weapon skills as bad, Penta thrust isn't bad at all just not a good WS to SC with.

but you need to understand, you also have your wyvren dealing damage too. to give a drg all the goodies other melees have and give them a pet... would be totally unbalanced.
really, anyone talked about DRG's Equipment?
since you mentioned it, giving WAR/NIN Maneater + Riddil + 20% haste is what's unbalanced /sigh
think again what's unbalanced. if a Lance+Pet unbalanced, Haste+20% is totally is unbalanced too ^^

now, you can ask se for a latent effect lance... that might be what youre asking but to change the delay and dmg on this spear is pointless...

put it on bar with it's brother weapons, this 4 share almost everything.

it's just not fair to have Attack+18 Accuracy+5 and Very high DMG for the 3 weapons, and this one left with lame DMG71.
once again, Maneater's DMG is 49 and the Relic Axe is 52, got it? something is wrong with this Couse.

(i'm just saying Maneater as an example, consider it as the three weapons ^^)

[Legal Fish]

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drg has great weapons, just look them up in ffxi.somepage.com

What are you talking about? How do they have good weapons? They only recently got weapons better than Ice Lance/+1, which was their best item, for a long, long time.

About the "Corse" being weak arguement.

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6190
I do believe this is the first "Corse" item in the game and its damage scales pretty high, especially when 91 damage was highest non relic polearm.

And Corse, the spear itself, is only a few damage below lances and is the highest damage spear in a small level range around it.

[tdh]

There's nothing wrong with this Spear. It's on par with all the other Lv.73 Spears with DLY:396. And that's WITH OUT the Latent. It's also on par with DPS, BEFORE the latent.

Now they can't keep up with Couse or Mezraq, but they weren't meant to! Those are the Beasts of the Spear family. Higher delay and higher damage. That's how it's always been, and it's not going to change.

Couse is Rare/EX, and can only be obtained through lots of work. So it has high DMG for the work you put forth to obtain it. No problem with this weapon having high DMG. Mezraq is expensive, and a high level crafted item. These items were made to contend with Lances, the rest of the Spear family was not! They were designed to be faster so the DMG was adjusted. If you want higher DMG, buy a Lance, or wait for the Mezraq. That's how you "fix" this problem.

There are a lot of crappy weapons out there in relation to others of it's type, but this isn't one of them. I don't know why a DRG would use this over something like the Dreizack (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/5350), but at the same point I didn't think DRGs used Spears outside of Mezraq past a certain point.

[Omni]

too much other job envy going on here.

let me clarify myself since a couple of you are still on the drg_still_gets_shafted_idea.

drg has in the past, had it pretty rough. however, lets not mistake having a bad stigma with actual damage dealing capabilities. please try to get past the bitterness you have towards other melees that has been built up over the course of this game.

be aware that drg is a good job in terms of dealing dmg in xp. im not going to step into the realm of meripo/end-game uses for drg since that is just a whole other topic.

>>their dmg ratings are pretty good. the weaknesses does not come from the weapons, it comes from the weapon skills and other equipment

in a party i don't see my weapon skills as bad, Penta thrust isn't bad at all just not a good WS to SC with.

Relative to other weapons ws, polearm skills are severely lacking.

really, anyone talked about DRG's Equipment?
since you mentioned it, giving WAR/NIN Maneater + Riddil + 20% haste is what's unbalanced /sigh
think again what's unbalanced. if a Lance+Pet unbalanced, Haste+20% is totally is unbalanced too ^^

Again, you have missed my point. I said that if you give drg war like equip, it would be unbalanced. The way it is right now, drg+pet is just about right. I know war is way off right now, that's not my point however.

What are you talking about? How do they have good weapons? They only recently got weapons better than Ice Lance/+1, which was their best item, for a long, long time.

About the "Corse" being weak arguement.

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6190
I do believe this is the first "Corse" item in the game and its damage scales pretty high, especially when 91 damage was highest non relic polearm.

And Corse, the spear itself, is only a few damage below lances and is the highest damage spear in a small level range around it.


How do they not have good weapons? With regards to weapons only, how are they not good when compared to other weapons? The weapons themselves are scaled fine. Its the job that has difficulties.

And.... Look at the delay of that weapon.... that's why the dmg rating is like a lance.


For some reason I feel this is going to turn into another why_cant_you_give_drg_more thread.

[tdh]

One last post for this thread, before I completely becomes a "woe is me DRG" thread.

What are you talking about? How do they have good weapons? They only recently got weapons better than Ice Lance/+1, which was their best item, for a long, long time.I just took 20 minutes to look at all the weapons available to DRK and DRG from Lv.60 to Lv.75. There are plenty of Lances, and two possible Spears that keep up with, or exceed Scythe/Great Sword in DPS. Lances aren't going to keep up with raw DMG in almost all instances, but the lower delay is what keeps the DPS close.

Now in a world where there aren't any Attack Bonuses or STR differences, DRG could fight to be the King of the Mountain in damage, but some jobs do have greater STR and higher Attack. Either way let's not pretend like there aren't some pretty good Polearms out there for DRGs to swing.

I'd take this route from Lv.60 to the top:

Grand Knight's Lance (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/479)
Cermet Lance +1 (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/483)
Dreizack (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/5350)
Martial Lance (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6438) - For situational useage
Ice Lance +1 (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2344)
Mezraq (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/8157)

Those options look pretty damn good if you ask me.

[Legal Fish]

I said that if you give drg war like equip, it would be unbalanced.

This is completely untrue.

A job that is based on 2-hand weapons will never, ever beat a job that is able to exploit Dual Wield speed bonuses or MNK with natural dual wield bonuses. Not on exp mobs, not on Kirin, not on anything. DRG being able to access gear that BST(who outdmg them is most situations) have access to would not make the job as strong or stronger than the current WAR/MNK/NIN triad of doom.

Stone-splitter is broken in terms of being a Couse polearm. It is nothing like a Couse(with high delay and attack, but less than lances) of any kind and its model should be changed or its delay/attack should be raised. Either way, its a piece of crap weapon no one would want to use in any situation. All 2-hand weapons need to either have less delay or higher damage, but this one especially is just wrong. Its like giving an Axe a delay of 600, it is not the normal stats for that type of weapon(in this case, a couse). All in all, DRG gets screwed again in their armor selection, like many times before.

All those polearms fail to compare to level 65-73 axes. Juggernaut, Man-Eater, Kriegsbeil, and Woodville's Axe. Thats just weapon selection. If you compare a WAR or BST(omg, pet job)'s Haub to the crap DRG has to wear, it just gets worse.

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There's nothing wrong with this Spear. It's on par with all the other Lv.73 Spears with DLY:396. And that's WITH OUT the Latent. It's also on par with DPS, BEFORE the latent.
mind you, did you read the post? it's about why this weapon have lower power than the other three of it's family... /sigh

too much other job envy going on here.
you mentioned being unbalanced, i just Countered.

For some reason I feel this is going to turn into another why_cant_you_give_drg_more thread.
for some reason you went way off topic, all you said have nothing to do with the question i wrote.

How do they not have good weapons? With regards to weapons only, how are they not good when compared to other weapons?
look at Guttler (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/3825) this is called "Relic Axe" or in other words, Final stage of the relic axe.
and look here Maneater (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6702) this is a normal Axe equiped by several jobs even RNG can equip it ^^ (note the hidden Attack+18 Accuracy+5 and the fact the latent will be always active)
here is something else, Amanomurakumo (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/4100) this is the Relic Great Katana ok? and here is this one, check it out Onimaru (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6690).
here is the bad news,
check this outpage (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/list.php?slot=&weapon=Polearms&search=&result_set=50&sort_by=) and this page (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/list.php?slot=&weapon=Polearms&search=&result_set=100&sort_by=). by now you should have a good idea of how DRG's weapons at 70+ have DMG over 80 right?
look here, Stone-splitter (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6710).

Stone-splitter, Maneater and Onimaru share the SAME ENM and the SAME latent, it's a one family of weapons.
question is, why Stone-splitter is left behind with a lame DMG72?
i wish you understoon what i meant Omni

btw This Threas is not about DRG equip or about Spears's low DMG /sigh
if for some reason some will still argue about this weapons being a spear/couse/trident or w/e so it have to have low DMG/Delay the RELIC itself is NOT a LANCE, again IT"S NOT A LANCE *zomg save the world, make the relic a lance so it have high DMG/Delay!!!!1!!1!1!!*

[Maju]

Stone Splitter: 10.76 DPS

Onimaru: 11.07 DPS

Yeah, it's slightly inferior in DPS alone. WS damage will of course also suffer from being a weaker and faster weapon.