Tar vs Hum Melee

[mrm83]

is there a big diff between the dmg of tar and hum??

[KosMos]

Originally posted by mrm83
is there a big diff between the dmg of tar and hum??

Hume is more balanced than any other race so they can make a good anything. TaruTaru is meant to be used as mages cause they have extream high int. Anyways at lv 50 hume with no job or sub job has a str of 20, sam with tarutaru and they come up with a str of 14. If you can do simple math you can see that there is a 6 point difference. To me...a Samurai/Warrior str, vit, dex, and agi are everything... Some people don't like to get hit a lot so they make thieves. Some people like to have really high def, and some people like to have a lot of str. Well that is all nice and all but it depends on what you want to do. Just ask yourself are you having fun...and if u are then there you go. It doesn't matter what other people say...do whatever you want.

[Chase]

Originally posted by KosMos

It doesn't matter what other people say...do whatever you want.

that is true :) do whatever you want, who cares if people say tarutaru make bad melee, maby they arn't good enough to play with some small set backs or to quote Elite they want cookie cutter chars and would like everyone to do the same. As far as i am conserned every race and job combo works well togeather, people who say otherwise either dont have the skill to play those types of chars or are to adicted to cookie cutter chars.

for example:
Galka: RedMage/monk
i like this combo others may not, i am sure there are lots of reasons why people will say i shouldn't do this but i am sure i can give them an equal number of counter reasons, also ther is the fact that this is an mmo and since i am paying for my account i can do what ever i want with my chars:)


in the end just choose what you want to do and have fun with it

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by Chase


that is true :) do whatever you want, who cares if people say tarutaru make bad melee, maby they arn't good enough to play with some small set backs or to quote Elite they want cookie cutter chars and would like everyone to do the same. As far as i am conserned every race and job combo works well togeather, people who say otherwise either dont have the skill to play those types of chars or are to adicted to cookie cutter chars.



It's about time someone brought that up :). Thanks.

[TB_Iris]

Exactly, I'm making a TaruTaru Warrior, simply for RP reasons, and I know people say they don't make good melees but I dun care...

[Aerex_CoW]

I plan to level Ninja and Dragoon with my Taru someday. People who say so and so combination is bad just havnt thought of a good way to use it yet.

[jdoe]

Let's put it this way... if you know what you're doing, I'll party with you with my Hume DRK/WAR (i.e. not the 'best' race for the job) any time. It's not about the 'best'; its about the most fun. Personally, I'd love to see a Taru smack the Behemoth upside the head with an axe twice the Taru's size... that's fun.

[mrm83]

but then, the bad thing about tar is that its so smarll, i cant enjoy looking at the armor im wearing becuz of the small size :/

[OmegaDrag]

Just play any job you want... dont worry wat others say.. if 3/4 of vanadiel was a taru Blackmage/Whitemage and you werent that would make you unique....


I plan to be Taru Blackmage/Whitemage on quest to get the best out of it, But when i just go out killing things i plan to be either Blackmage/Whitemage, Ranger/Thief, Summoner/Ninja, or plain redmage

[Bousch]

mrm83,

You'll do fine if your a taru melee class, same as the hume. Now adays all people want is the cookie cutter way and they want you to be the same whether it be race/class combinations, etc.

I was one of the first few taru paladins on my server and I could tell you many stories about me being flamed and called NOOOB, SUXXORRS (what kind of language is that anyways?). Let me say that most party leaders are also looking for this so called cookie cutter spec that it tends to be harder to be invited into a group. When I do get invited into a group I usually get praised on how well I can get the job done.

Im happy that there are those who invite ppl who arent cutters into their party. God bless them, they are the ones usually wanting to have fun and not bent over about lvling and getting certain items.

About the armor being small... that is true to some extent. It is harder to see the details on the armor. But im guessing you've never seen a Taru in high lvl warrior/paladin/dark knight armor or AF. CAUSE WE LOOK PRETTY DAMN CUTE in ALL of em.


What im trying to say is Tarus are can be pretty damn good at melee. Its just that most ppl don't give them the chance.

Have fun, enjoy and take care.:biggrin:

[KosMos]

Originally posted by mrm83
but then, the bad thing about tar is that its so smarll, i cant enjoy looking at the armor im wearing becuz of the small size :/

Not only that but if you pick two job lvs that people don't want u are gonna have a hard time finding a party. You might be forced to solo...and trust me it gets really hard to solo after lv 20.

[mrm83]

ya, i saw this clip on plane's site where he follows this taru pal, its so jokes
this little thing carrying those heavy armor and running around.

well, i duno, ill wait till the game comes out to decide or in the beta if im lucky ^^

[mrm83]

Originally posted by KosMos


Not only that but if you pick two job lvs that people don't want u are gonna have a hard time finding a party. You might be forced to solo...and trust me it gets really hard to solo after lv 20.

what do u mean 2 jobs that ppl dont want??
isnt the job all the same reguardless of the race?

[KosMos]

Originally posted by mrm83


what do u mean 2 jobs that ppl dont want??
isnt the job all the same reguardless of the race?

For example, people don't want a Dark knight subbed with White mage. That is unheard of course but that is an example. Not only does subbing whitmage with a Dark knight is very uncommon it makes the Dark knight's str stat go down. If u are a dark knight you need all the str u can get. Plus dark knight doesn't have a lot of mp. So who wants a dark knight that can barely heal? No one... >_<

[OmegaDrag]

Originally posted by mrm83


what do u mean 2 jobs that ppl dont want??
isnt the job all the same reguardless of the race?


I think he/she ment that if ur a tarutaru Paladin/Warrior then the party u wanna get in is most likely wont accept you.... Due to that the Taru mostly consist on magic and u are using melee

[Knowledge]

i find taru BLM/WHM is a real easy class to get a party.
But when the american version comes out I'm going to make a taru DRK/WHM. I could care less about the hype.:biggrin:

[KosMos]

Originally posted by OmegaDrag



I think he/she ment that if ur a tarutaru Paladin/Warrior then the party u wanna get in is most likely wont accept you.... Due to that the Taru mostly consist on magic and u are using melee

I'm a she thank you...and that is part of it...if u read a few post up u will get another example. Red Mages, and Monks are usually left out of parties.

[mrm83]

ooooo icic
@_@''
so many things to learn

btw, one thing about dark knight, i noticed that there is this lv 1 abiility that draws the dmg u do towards healing you. does this ability make ur char inviciable?? becuz u can keep leeching?

[Chase]

Red mages are usualy used when a party cant find either a white/black mage or a warrior, basicaly they are the number 2 choice, and i dont think i will have a hard time finding a party, there are alot of people who will want to let you join them regardless, and for those who dont i say it is there loss, as i would have helped them alot :) (the whole skill thing if you read my post) and as Bousch proved he did quite well with a tary melee.

[Macht]

That's always the problem, people think the cookie cutter chars are the strongest. Funny thing is the ones that decide to be unique usually can find a combination that would blow away any cookie cutter char. I've meet many people that have done that, and I myself do that all the time.

Great example: In SOCOM, I'm always picked on and called an idiot for using a slow single shot weapon in a map that is mostly close combat type areas. Funny thing is they shut up in an instant once they see I'm the first one at double digit kills and they barelly got 3 :thumbsup:.

Just play any way you want, no one has any right to call you a Noob or idiot for doing that. The way I see it the cookie cutter char. are the real noobs, reason behind it they don't understand what RPG means. Quick reminder in case there is a person that's going to complain about what I said, RPG means "Role Playing Game" the "Role Playing" explains the whole thing. To elaborate even further Role Playing is were the owner of the account makes and plays their character the way they want to make that character unique and give it more realizm in the game.

Come on just look at real life, is every woman and man follow a cookie cutter characteristic design (Hell no, so why try to force it on the RPG).

[Aerex_CoW]

You cant just keep using it. It has a set duration and a time that you have to wait before you can do it again.

Also. I would just like to express my extreme hatred toward PTs that dont invite certain jobs because they want to get faster exp. Thats just BS, its not like the exp will really be THAT much faster seeing how you could have started sooner if you picked up the people that you rejected and It also makes the game worse for people who want to play those jobs but cant get anything acomplished cuz no PTs want them. The same exact thing happened on Everquest and it was one of the biggest things that makes EQ as gay as it is.

[Chase]

Originally posted by KosMos


For example, people don't want a Dark knight subbed with White mage. That is unheard of course but that is an example. Not only does subbing whitmage with a Dark knight is very uncommon it makes the Dark knight's str stat go down. If u are a dark knight you need all the str u can get. Plus dark knight doesn't have a lot of mp. So who wants a dark knight that can barely heal? No one... >_<

if you sub in whm for a dk your strength dosnt go down, and because you added in whm you get more mana bonous as well as if you need mana you use items, 1 of the rings i cant remember the name right now but at lv 20 solves your mana problem so you can heal just as well as anyone else who has whm as a sub, and a dk gets alot of str to begin with if you read alot of posts you would know that a dk is dmg based while a pld is def based and a dk gets black magic while a pld gets white magic, with white mage sub the dk can heal himself as well as othere and act as a secondary healer (if party healer dies or they cant find a whm or red mage, or just to save the whm some mana)

so dk whm is quite useful dispite what you said in that post

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Chase


if you sub in whm for a dk your strength dosnt go down, and because you added in whm you get more mana bonous as well as if you need mana you use items, 1 of the rings i cant remember the name right now but at lv 20 solves your mana problem so you can heal just as well as anyone else who has whm as a sub, and a dk gets alot of str to begin with if you read alot of posts you would know that a dk is dmg based while a pld is def based and a dk gets black magic while a pld gets white magic, with white mage sub the dk can heal himself as well as othere and act as a secondary healer (if party healer dies or they cant find a whm or red mage, or just to save the whm some mana)

so dk whm is quite useful dispite what you said in that post

Str does go down compared to that of a Dark knight/Warrior. And I already know that Dark Knight is str base and that they die more often, or so I have heard. Yeah you can do whatever you said with the ring, but if u get hit...while casting that's not going to help very much. And I'm pretty sure people look for dark knights that can taunt and lure monsters away from the mages and not heal people. Besides what is the role of dark knight? To deal damage not to heal. Melee + spell casters isn't that effective. If u want a mage then make a mage don't sub a spell caster with melee. If u want to then sub with red mage.

[Janus Zeal]

Well KosMos, I don't agree with that last post of yours. I want to sub Monk to Dark Knight, because mostly of the Chakra ability, not the fact that it is melee. I wouldn't mind having White Mage as a subjob to my Dark Knight Main as well, because healing in solo or small party i a nice thing to have, considering death happens a lot for us DRK.

Also I want to play my character the way I want to, no one will force me into a mold of cookie cutter class like it was mentioned earlier. I don,t really care for Taunt...why? simple: everyone wants it, making my character unique I'll get by another way.

[Chase]

Originally posted by KosMos


Str does go down compared to that of a Dark knight/Warrior. And I already know that Dark Knight is str base and that they die more often, or so I have heard. Yeah you can do whatever you said with the ring, but if u get hit...while casting that's not going to help very much. And I'm pretty sure people look for dark knights that can taunt and lure monsters away from the mages and not heal people. Besides what is the role of dark knight? To deal damage not to heal. Melee + spell casters isn't that effective. If u want a mage then make a mage don't sub a spell caster with melee. If u want to then sub with red mage.

Str dosnt go down actually you receive the same str per level as you would normaly, the benifit of a warrior as a sub job is you get some added melee stats, just as adding a mage gives you added mana stats. As for the get hit while casting JUST DONT STAND TO CLOSE TO THE MONSTER (not shouting just emphasing the point :)) how do you think you are supposed to cast the black magic spells that you normaly have any way. as for meele + spellcaster not being that effective you probibly dont have the skills to use it effectively, that goes for your if you want a mage make a mage point as well (COOKIE CUTTER CHARACTER again emphasing not shouting :)). Everything works in this game all races and job combos that is how this game is designed.

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Chase


Str dosnt go down actually you receive the same str per level as you would normaly, the benifit of a warrior as a sub job is you get some added melee stats, just as adding a mage gives you added mana stats. As for the get hit while casting JUST DONT STAND TO CLOSE TO THE MONSTER (not shouting just emphasing the point :)) how do you think you are supposed to cast the black magic spells that you normaly have any way. as for meele + spellcaster not being that effective you probibly dont have the skills to use it effectively, that goes for your if you want a mage make a mage point as well (COOKIE CUTTER CHARACTER again emphasing not shouting :)). Everything works in this game all races and job combos that is how this game is designed.

Hey I'm not put anything down here. I'm just saying I'm aware that dark knights die often and that they need white mages to heal them. However I don't see it being that effective. A dark knight is meant to be upfront dealing massive damage not in the back lines healing. Although it would be nice to heal but its not for everyone. As for the cookie cutter thing. I totally agree with that but that is how I view a dark knight as. They are meant for tanking..well not really tanking but they are upfront. And doing things by yourself is really hard...that is why you have other job classes to support dark knights. Well according to this FFXI calc that I'm using at lv 50 a dark knight/white mage has a str of 34 while dark knight/warrior gets 37. Three points difference not might not make a huge difference but dark knight/white mage vs. dark knight/warrior only has 1 differnce in int? Does that 1 int make that much of a difference? As you can see you can arge which way you want but its just preference over how u like to play. Personlly I don't want to be able to do everything because then what would u be good at? Doing too many things doesn't help u on. I perfer to deal damage and let someone heal me rather than fight run way then heal and come back and fight. Takes away time...and with a caps on 32 sub job u get more white spells...but will u get any of the good healing spells?

[Chase]

if you say that is the way you prefer to play that i will understand, but to say it is a bad idea or it is a useless job combo just shows your own ignorance.
As for the spells you get with the current lv cap it is Cure3 Curega2 Cursena are some of the better ones here check the rest of the list here if you want to see every thing you get
http://www.ffxionline.com/display.php?file=magics_db.html
and the stat calculater you use isnt accurate it is more like an aproximation.

some of the new spells the dk gets are
* Dark Knight Changes

- The following Dark Knight only black magic added "Absorb STR" "Absorb DEX" "Absorb VIT" "Absorb AGI" "Absorb INT" "Absorb MND" "Absorb CHR" - absorbs a parameter of the enemy and adding it to the player

now i would assume those cost mana, with the mana bonus of items and some whm skills you could use most of those simultaneously increasing your effectiveness

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Chase
if you say that is the way you prefer to play that i will understand, but to say it is a bad idea or it is a useless job combo just shows your own ignorance.
As for the spells you get with the current lv cap it is Cure3 Curega2 Cursena are some of the better ones here check the rest of the list here if you want to see every thing you get
http://www.ffxionline.com/display.php?file=magics_db.html
and the stat calculater you use isnt accurate it is more like an aproximation.

some of the new spells the dk gets are
* Dark Knight Changes

- The following Dark Knight only black magic added "Absorb STR" "Absorb DEX" "Absorb VIT" "Absorb AGI" "Absorb INT" "Absorb MND" "Absorb CHR" - absorbs a parameter of the enemy and adding it to the player

now i would assume those cost mana, with the mana bonus of items and some whm skills you could use most of those simultaneously increasing your effectiveness

No no I never said that it was useless. I said that its not effective and doesn't fit the role that I see dark knights as. If that is how you want to play I have nothing against it..as for the spells I think they are great. And those stats that I posted earlier were with no race, so u are right they may not be 100% accurate. And I also believe that the job combo that you are sugguesting is for more of a seasoned pro rather than someone who doesn't have any expericence play the game. Not only that but it will be hard to find a party...that is what I hear..its not my fault for wanting a cookie cutter build its whatever a party wants. If you don't fit it then suit yourself you will be soloing or you have to find another party. That might take some time. But hey its up to you.

[Janus Zeal]

What's a little waiting compared to having a great time with people appreciating you for your valor (and not your class)?

I'll surely solo a bit but I'll also have some trustworthy friends that won't judge a book by its cover if you catch my drift.

[Chase]

Well i do have friends you know :) and as for finding a part it isnt that hard i tend to fit in where ever i go, but i also like playing solo more often then not.

and i am sure if i join a link shell i will have other people from that link shell who will party with me, also finding a party will be alot easyer in the NA version.

if you take these things into account there isnt any problem with being whatever you want to be

[Korjiro]

guys guys... *opens arms* lets squelsh this little skermish, i agree that a deathknight with white mage is like richard simmons and women( not likly a good combo:))

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[Chase]

lol you sound like my friend, who by coincidence told me the same thing, "arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win you are still retarted", but you really shouln't post such messages some viewers might find it offencive.

[Macht]

Lol, funny pic Kojiro. Thing I couldn't help wondering, but isn't using a saying that insults the people that are arguing kind of fitting yourself into that catagory as well?

[mrm83]

we need a dueling arena to test out these stuff and see what is stronger or the better combo :)

i wish there is some sort of pvp in ffxi :(

if not pvp, at least some sort of an arena where teams of players (like 40 or so) will fight together in a deathmatch arena against monsters rounds for loots and exp and fun.

[Suzaku]

Yeah PvP would be great ^_^ but duels mostly causes problems towards other people, I think the best way Square looked at it was to everyone to be nice with everyone and eachother and as most peaceful as they could keep it.

[Korjiro]

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[Zirus]

I'm a she thank you...and that is part of it...if u read a few post up u will get another example. Red Mages, and Monks are usually left out of parties.

:(i was thinking about being a tarutaru MNK/RMG:(

i prolly still will be because i think that will be the most fun

[Macht]

Yeah, seriously I'll most likely do an unusuall combination of job and sub as well. I hope which ever server and all I decide to try and get on or just say screw it and join any server, that the server will have a good size of people willing to accept unique characters. If not then I guess I'll be hoofing it solo for a while or at least till I find new players when I'm higher level, got this bad habit of doing what I can to help a new player in a game I'm experienced in. At least then I can try to root in a better attitude with the new players.

[Janus Zeal]

Originally posted by Macht
Yeah, seriously I'll most likely do an unusuall combination of job and sub as well. I hope which ever server and all I decide to try and get on or just say screw it and join any server, that the server will have a good size of people willing to accept unique characters. If not then I guess I'll be hoofing it solo for a while or at least till I find new players when I'm higher level, got this bad habit of doing what I can to help a new player in a game I'm experienced in. At least then I can try to root in a better attitude with the new players.

I tend to do that also (be helpful in many ways to others if I can). Dark Knight/Monk is not an untold combination, but I don't care for partying with power players, I prefer partying with friends and people willing to have fun at leveling up, not just gaining experiece for the heck of it.

Edit: Oh and I also plan on using white mage as a support job sometime, since its very nice to be able to heal when soloing, and I'll use it for party-play too.

[Macht]

Yeah, honestly DarkKnight/Monk or WhiteMage sounds like perfectly fine combinations to me. I haven't completly decided yet on what I'll be got to spend some time looking at what jobs their are and all to see which ones I'd like to be. Was thinking of something maybe like a Paladin/Ranger if that is even possible, even if it's hard to maintain I think it would be cool.

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Macht
Yeah, honestly DarkKnight/Monk or WhiteMage sounds like perfectly fine combinations to me. I haven't completly decided yet on what I'll be got to spend some time looking at what jobs their are and all to see which ones I'd like to be. Was thinking of something maybe like a Paladin/Ranger if that is even possible, even if it's hard to maintain I think it would be cool.

If something doesn't work out you can always change jobs. And as for ranger...be careful they get expensive...>_<

[Macht]

I know I've heard that already, it's just part of the extra challenge (Think it would be fun).

[Velusip]

Sad thing is, upon the instance of terms "RPG" and "Video Game" in the same sentence immediately brings up other terms such as: leveling, cookie cutter, stat points, items, armor, weapons...

For any gamers out there you know what I mean when I say "Roll Playing vs Role Playing" and how irking a person of the other terms favor can be...

My point is that I do not want another hack'n'slash game. With that, point values and the like hardly matter to me. I just want to make a fun character that either represents me or someone completely different and have fun with the game and all that it can offer me.

What is wrong with having a bitchin' taru with an axe? Or even a kind hearted and gentle Galka who loves panseys?

[Bousch]

QUOTE]What is wrong with having a bitchin' taru with an axe? Or even a kind hearted and gentle Galka who loves panseys?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely nothing wrong with having a taru with an an axe. Mine carries a "bitchin" 2hander sword.

As for Drk Knt with mage sub.. hrm, I wouldn't do that myself but would commend anyone who does ESPECIALLY if they are a taru, would love to group with ya just for fun. Dark being more offensive attk power wise, they hurt in the defense department. Thats why I choice paladin with white mage to utilize the extra mps that I started with. I have no problem taunting ( I use healing spells ), and being a can take a beating ( as long as im using shield ) but not as well as say your ol every other race hehe.

Just have fun.

[Semih Neridia]

There are so many of this kind of topics...but all I can say is...just be what you want. Be whatever, but I guarantee you that, once you play the game, you will know what are the flaws of your combination. And I guarantee you again, that you will most likely to change your job to be a better one.

As for the person that say that if the PT doesn't invite the job combination that you have, I would say that you are kinda selfish. The PT is trying to survive the battle, so they have to balance out, and find the right combination of job. With bad combinationm it could result in the annihilation of the PT. Please remember that, if you died, you lost the set percentages of experience point(10%), and that is really harsh. And trust me, it will be hard to earn exp.

[Knowledge]

by Kosmos
Str does go down compared to that of a Dark knight/Warrior. And I already know that Dark Knight is str base and that they die more often, or so I have heard. Yeah you can do whatever you said with the ring, but if u get hit...while casting that's not going to help very much. And I'm pretty sure people look for dark knights that can taunt and lure monsters away from the mages and not heal people. Besides what is the role of dark knight? To deal damage not to heal. Melee + spell casters isn't that effective. If u want a mage then make a mage don't sub a spell caster with melee. If u want to then sub with red mage.

Whatever you guys do, please, don't get cought up in this crap. This type of mindset is what RUINS online games. Completely. I don't mean to flame you Kosmos but it truly upsets me. These games are online RPGs, they are persistant worlds...worlds where a person is meant to express themselves however. With that in mind people should make their characters however they please. Game developers hire mathematicians and put hard work into making sure that no class, race, main/sub combination is better than another. That's the way these things work. Everyone is equal with the exception of level and equipment. I am going to make a Dark Knight/White Mage Tarutaru weather people say it's the greatest idea I've ever had or that it's the dumbest thing and I'll never get a party. People who are going to shun me because of my main/sub combination are losers and I wouldn't want to party or ally with them anyway. So please everyone. Feel free to be a RNG/BRD, DRK/MNK, RDM/WHM or whatever you wish. It's your game, YOU pay the monthly fee. And there are plenty more people like me in-game that will NEVER say you can't party with us because of what combination you chose. That's just my two gil. ;)

[TB_Iris]

Yep..it's that kind of mindset that pissed me off in the two years I played EQ. People would shun others for picking race/class combo's that normally wouldn't be a good idea because of stats..

Like Ogre or Troll shaman's were generally frowned by most, really because of their lack in Int, though Ogres and Trolls have highest Str beginning stats of all the races..(Ogres being first with highest STR).

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Knowledge
by Kosmos


Whatever you guys do, please, don't get cought up in this crap. This type of mindset is what RUINS online games. Completely. I don't mean to flame you Kosmos but it truly upsets me. These games are online RPGs, they are persistant worlds...worlds where a person is meant to express themselves however. With that in mind people should make their characters however they please. Game developers hire mathematicians and put hard work into making sure that no class, race, main/sub combination is better than another. That's the way these things work. Everyone is equal with the exception of level and equipment. I am going to make a Dark Knight/White Mage Tarutaru weather people say it's the greatest idea I've ever had or that it's the dumbest thing and I'll never get a party. People who are going to shun me because of my main/sub combination are losers and I wouldn't want to party or ally with them anyway. So please everyone. Feel free to be a RNG/BRD, DRK/MNK, RDM/WHM or whatever you wish. It's your game, YOU pay the monthly fee. And there are plenty more people like me in-game that will NEVER say you can't party with us because of what combination you chose. That's just my two gil. ;)

Humm you know what.. I'm really tired of this and this has already been concluded if you read the rest of the post. I'm not the one that is being narrow minded. I'm just stating that its what other people want and if you don't fit to their expectations its there lost. You can always solo or hang out with your friends its not like you can't do anything about it. And if something doesn't work out you can always change jobs.

[Helm]

I want to be a Tarutaru Paladin/Warrior, but i think if i can't tank well i won't have fun. It would disappoint me if i can't preform well enough to get the job done and done well.

[Helm]

but not as well as say your ol every other race hehe.
ah now i'm confused about the effectiveness of a Tarutaru paladin ^^::

[Aerex_CoW]

Im sure a Taru Paladin/War would be just fine. If you are good at playing your class and you have decent equipment for your level race wont really matter all that much.

About PTs not accepting certain race/job combos. I didnt say that they should always just go around and accept anyone, but really if you need a healer and there are no white mages around but there is is a red mage around its pretty stupid to reject them because you "need" a White Mage. Sure you might have to rest for 10 more seconds after battles or something but its really not going to cause your exp gain to go that much slower and it probably isnt going to get your party killed either. Inviting the red mage would also get you started earlier than waiting around for a white mage and I'm sure the red mage would be happy that he/she didnt have to wait another hour to find a group.

[Tsikuro]

Originally posted by Macht
That's always the problem, people think the cookie cutter chars are the strongest. Funny thing is the ones that decide to be unique usually can find a combination that would blow away any cookie cutter char. I've meet many people that have done that, and I myself do that all the time.

Great example: In SOCOM, I'm always picked on and called an idiot for using a slow single shot weapon in a map that is mostly close combat type areas. Funny thing is they shut up in an instant once they see I'm the first one at double digit kills and they barelly got 3 :thumbsup:.

Just play any way you want, no one has any right to call you a Noob or idiot for doing that. The way I see it the cookie cutter char. are the real noobs, reason behind it they don't understand what RPG means. Quick reminder in case there is a person that's going to complain about what I said, RPG means "Role Playing Game" the "Role Playing" explains the whole thing. To elaborate even further Role Playing is were the owner of the account makes and plays their character the way they want to make that character unique and give it more realizm in the game.

Come on just look at real life, is every woman and man follow a cookie cutter characteristic design (Hell no, so why try to force it on the RPG).
My friend has Socom,and when i borowed it and played online i didn't know you could get double digit kills...there isn't enough players in game to get that much...And no map in socom is really a close combat map...i always play sniper,i mostly like that snow level though :biggrin: .

[Chase]

I thought i would see what you all say regarding this thread

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9433

[Janus Zeal]

I posted in it, I just hate having to conform if that is not my wish so I gave my 2 gil.

[Skyrik]

Not trying to side with anybody but plase try to supress the flames ppl. Comments are good and all but please try to stay on topic and actually try to answer Bloods questions . I think its enought that Chase refered him to this post to let him decide and not the other conformer or you guys.

[Janus Zeal]

I can't really answer Blood's questions about in-game ammos and ranger questions, but in the same thread were comments about cookie-cutter chars and I couldn't help myself giving my thoughts about it.

Sorry if it was slightly off-topic...:sweat:

[Skyrik]

Well thats good.. flame wars lead innocent threads into being locked... besides no one wants to run the special olympics :p.

[xXx]

... ...:sweat:

[Chase]

Originally posted by DJplaeskool


/Agree with Gaignun
A BLM/WAR, while having some boosted physical stats, still sorely lacks after any bonuses, the bonuses just aren't significant enough to allow a BLM main to tank in any extent, with such low initial HP/Def/Str and physical accuracy...A BLM is multitude better off subbing WHM or SMN (RDM for the desperate) for the extra MP. The only time BLM will ever get into the fray is if they're working on their weapon skill (normally 1H/2H staff, though BLM may use rapiers)


first off the stats would make a good difference, and if you go blm/war you are not thinking of makeing a tank. as for the low Hp Def and Str. the warrior has abilities such as Defender, Double Attack, Physical Attack Power Up and War Cry, when they rase the lv cap Aggressor. So that is not going to be a problem. The thing is you cant see how effective this would be, Cast spells in the distance (which do alot of Dmg on there own) and finish it off when it comes close using melee. Chances are you will do quite well as a blm/war.

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Chase



first off the stats would make a good difference, and if you go blm/war you are not thinking of makeing a tank. as for the low Hp Def and Str. the warrior has abilities such as Defender, Double Attack, Physical Attack Power Up and War Cry, when they rase the lv cap Aggressor. So that is not going to be a problem. The thing is you cant see how effective this would be, Cast spells in the distance (which do alot of Dmg on there own) and finish it off when it comes close using melee. Chances are you will do quite well as a blm/war.

That sounds tempting...however that is just speculation. If you actually did try it out in the game would it be that successful, that is what I would like to know.. umm you bring up a very interesting view on the job combination however I don't think a black mage can wield swords...and that also limits their armor as well...>_<

[Chase]

well you have to factor in that a blm/other mage combo on there own wont take on anything to powerful, and with a warrior in there as a sub it increases his effectiveness on his own, so it sort of unlocks his ability to attack a stronger monster . It would also be effective in a group but i used solo playing as an example;)

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Chase
well you have to factor in that a blm/other mage combo on there own wont take on anything to powerful, and with a warrior in there as a sub it increases his effectiveness on his own, so it sort of unlocks his ability to attack a stronger monster . It would also be effective in a group but i used solo playing as an example;)

Yeah I guess, I don't think that build is for beginners, more for someone who is a seasoned pro. That build is definitely not for soloing strong monsters by yourself. A couple smacks from that monster and you are out. Mage doesn't have the best armor for melee so they have to count on their evasion. But even with evasion if the monster does hit its gonna hurt. Oh and I think FF is centered around parties, you can't really accomplish things on your own. ^-^"

[Chase]

you may not be able to do much on your own in ffxi but with that build you would still do alot better compared to a mage/mage combo. The point was that everything can work well :)

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Chase
you may not be able to do much on your own in ffxi but with that build you would still do alot better compared to a mage/mage combo. The point was that everything can work well :)

So true. Although Mage/Mage is usaully very popular >_<

[Chase]

:) therefore the cokie cutter thing :)

i am not against mage/mage or anyone who wants to do that.
i just dont like ppl who exclude people that decide they want to do things different. Also i believe square designed this game so everything would workout

[Helm]

has anyone seen how well a taru taru paladin/warrior performs? ; ;

[DJplaeskool]

Originally posted by Helm
has anyone seen how well a taru taru paladin/warrior performs? ; ;

Seen a few...Taru PLD/WARs work just fine.
In the long run, race plays a lessened role stat wise, though there are natural exceptions (ex: was in a PT yesterday, I was 50 MNK/25 WAR, PT also had a Galka 50 MNK/WAR25...He had over 150 more HP than I did O_o, but I was hitting stuff almost 30% more often, with my pimped out DEX) but ANY PLD/WAR is well fitting and very useful in PTs (high Def, Str, and taunt), regardless of race.

[Fox Excalibur]

Yeah, I myself would never shun a party member because of thier race. However, I might not want to accept someone who has a bad Job combo, if im on a important quest or something, Death in this game is too drastic to "not care". When just having fun i would accept anyone, but when things come down to it, i would want something that works best for a group. I dont know about square making "every job combo work" that requires alot more work, not every job combo is going to be perfect, or even efficiant always. But if its what you wanna do, go ahead by all means. I know im going to pick the combo thats most fun for me. To say though people are stupid for not wanting to pick you is rather presumptiouse though, sometimes its too important to take a risk on someone that might not know what they are doing with a bad job combo.

[clyde]

fun to me is being the best i dont kno why but im always so competitive when it comes to sports and im treatin games no different. If i see anybody stonger then me i'll work 10x as hard or even more to be the best. I wana be on top of the list as the strongest. To me thats having fun, being the best.

[Helm]

as a taru taru paladin would my higher sp allow me to use cure to draw monsters instead of taunt, or would i run out of sp to quickly?

[DJplaeskool]

Originally posted by Helm
as a taru taru paladin would my higher sp allow me to use cure to draw monsters instead of taunt, or would i run out of sp to quickly?

Using heal to taunt would only work if it's hatred is neutral...
After battle has commenced for about 30 seconds, heal won't work as a too effective taunt, but Taru MP bonus will let you use it a couple more times (potentially). As a PLD main, having MP won't be too much of a focus, but you'll want to save heals for emergencies, or if healers are resting

[Maxim]

I was in a party just yesterday, and the leader was a Taru PLD/WAR. Before we fought anything, he told the entire party how to taunt, and he even told the WHM how to heal. Anyway, the plan came out to something like this: The DRK would lure a monster to the party, and she would keep getting attacked by the monster until her HP hit the red zone. Then the Taru PLD/WAR would cast CureIII twice on the DRK, which was enough to get the monster to face him, and to make sure he wouldn't go anywhere, he taunted the monster as well. Then when he HP was low, he would cast CureIII on himself, and by mid-battle it was impossible for the other warriors to taunt the monster off of him (which was good since the PLD should be the one taking hits anyway). It actually worked out really nicely, and since the Taru had a ton of MP (his was almost equal to my Hume RDM/WHM ;_;) he could continuously cast CureIII until the battle was over. The WHM didn't even do anything other than heal status effects at the end of battle. The ability of a Taru PLD/WAR really surprised me. Of course, since he had to sit at the end of battle he wasn't participating in renkei, but it wasn't a problem since there were other frontline members who could do that.