Just trying to Have Fun

[Amiraphe]

Hi all, I don’t like to post a rant, and this really isn’t, it’s more of a “Please…come on, will ya, heh?!” type of post.



Ever since the new areas opened up to us all, life has been fun in FFXI land. I’ve enjoyed leveling there with a just a few people in my LS, we are 70+. The experience is fast, the mobs are plenty and above all, I’m with my mates.



Well, a week ago, a few people in my LS who are between 60-65 complained about being 2k away TNL, or they can’t get an invite, etc…The usual complaints of seeking and being in pick up parties. So, as my 70+ mates and I were heading onto the new area to exp, we said to our friends, “Hey, why don’t you join us?!” So, they did. We’ve had them join us each time we've gone since because it was a blast, except for one problem, which I will explain soon….



See, we didn’t care about the huge level differences, or that the experience points would be low, or that it wasn’t an “ideal” set up. All we cared about was helping out our LS friends, making them happy, gaining mild exp fast and above all having a great time together. However, it was treated as a crime against FFXI nature.



Whenever we find a camp, we make sure we’re not planted near anyone else’s domain. If we notice there is a lot of pulling competition out there from too many parties, we wait patiently for pops by us, and there are plenty of pops everywhere to go around for all those camps. We never ever would steal a mob someone was obviously engaged in pulling, we never have. We really try to treat everyone with respect.

The problem is, our people between 60-65 are getting tells from miscellaneous pullers and passer bys to “GTFO. You don’t belong here.” And the like. Also, we ALL will be heavily examined by other players and given those emotes of /sighs dejectedly /stares blankly and on and on. Our WHM in the LS that we convinced to join us is level 60 only. This seems to throw a lot of people checking us out into a froth! If they only knew this level 60 WHM is so talented in his skill that we trust him to take care of all of us and he never let us down. But when they see him there, we get /points and laughs.



Come on….If we stay in a corner, if we respect fellow players, if we don’t steal mobs in different spawning areas where other camps are, why should we—our little group—bother you? When is partying with your LS mates and helping them out and showing them a good time in a new area a crime? I’m sure we’re not the only LS that does this on any server.



All I can say is, if it does offend you to see this set up, if they’re not treading on your camp or your mobs, if they leave you alone, please just leave them alone as well.

[DakAttack]

Where respect isn't willingly given, it must be commanded!

[Amovorite]

Ah, just sounds like elititst punks who think they own an area because of their level. No one has to fight IT+++++ all the time for friggin' xp. I've had people come in and skill up on mobs we were using for xp. They can if they want, but if they're taking from our direct camp area... I'd consider it a tad rude, but its still within their right to do so. So we simply changed camps.

You and your group are fine. The others who sigh and whine and stare can sit and spin.

[Yuanlung]

Well.... sometimes well intention alone isn't enough.



Try to see it from the other groups point of view... While they are probabbly being a bit of a dick for sending "gtfo" tells, I can understand where they are coming from.

You were exping in an area usually for people 5-10 levels below, which means easy kills and crap exp for you, and probably a solid claim on the pops close to you due to the fast kills.


Now this other party across the field, basically exping on the same group, or an over-lapping group of pops (yes, it takes a full field in the new area to feed a good party), might have been doing chain 4's and 5's before. Now they are stopping at 3's, and when their puller ran over to check why, he found they are now competing against (from his point of view, not yours) a group 10 levels higher than the normal xp parties for the area. People can get pretty frustrated.


They will not see someone trying to help LS mates. They probably will not see you trying to avoid other groups. They will not see your attempt to not disrupt other parties in the area. They will just see, a party 10 levels too high, competing in the area, on the mobs they want, and lowering their chain #.


IMO, there are certainly better ways of handle situations like this than sending "gtfo" tells or slapping in emotes, but few can take the time for a civilized, polite negociation when they are just pissed off that their exp chains suffered.


BTW, exp parties also don't usually get along with BST's, people leveling NPC's, farmers, skillup parties, and other exp parties. It doesn't even matter if you are campped way over on the other side, as long as your pulling range overlap, there will be some friction, and possibly resentment.

[Skoal]

I think you just felt what bsts have felt for a long time. Do you guys remember people throwing fits when npcs first came out? People in this game think that they have the right to do what they want when they want. It is nice to see that some people will still go out of their way to make sure that they do not impose on others. OP you did everything right, just remember people in this game are asses.

[Amiraphe]

Try to see it from the other groups point of view... While they are probabbly being a bit of a dick for sending "gtfo" tells, I can understand where they are coming from.



Absolutely, that's why we kept hidden and to ourselves. Really, we were killing Imps, and if you've been there, you know how competitive it can be. We like IMPS because they are good enough for my 70+ group of 3 of us for fast kills, also, it's doable enough for our 60-65 people to be effective.

We like the area, we never steal pops from other groups, in fact, we give many away because we know how difficult it can be. But if one pops in our face and we're about to engage it, it gets stolen from some other group, and then we get slapped! :wtf:

We really try to be considerate. I'm just hoping other parties, whether they are in my shoes or the other people's shoes can think a little bit before being disrepctful on either sides behalf.

[Yuanlung]

We really try to be considerate. I'm just hoping other parties, whether they are in my shoes or the other people's shoes can think a little bit before being disrepctful on either sides behalf.



Try as you may, they will not see it. They will not see your attempt to stay out of their way, not unless they calm down and actually talk to you. Good luck getting that to happen in FFXI, or any MMO thesedays, in fact.

All they see you as is competition, even if you go tthere first.

There really isn't much more you can do besides blist or just get out of their, since they are probably crapping your exp too, and you actually have a bit more options then they do, being higher lv and not caring about the 'uber exp'.



What I usually do when I need a lil quick solo exp from EP~DC mobs though, is that I pick stuff that people don't even normally think about exping on. Things like tonberries, malboros, monkies, pots, elementals (sky), and so on... It gets some used to, but atleast I don't get bothered by little kids (or adults with limited mental growth) with serious anger management issues.

[Shykin]

You just had to make the text black huh?

[Icemage]

You just had to make the text black huh?

Not everyone uses the dark theme here. I prefer the default white/blue scheme myself, but the colorized text should probably have been left default. :P

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Back on topic, the XP gap between level 61+ and 75 isn't really that huge. Maybe 15-20%, unlike the extreme differences you see at lower levels, where even a handful of levels will drastically reduce XP.

Have your lower level members go /anon and ignore the clowns telling you to leave. If your group is functioning well enough for your satisfaction, then so be it. It's not like anyone has a right to all the mobs, though there are some unwritten rules (which are not, admittedly, followed by all players), about not XPing in zones where it's already at capacity, but that doesn't sound like what's happening here.


Icemage

[GangsterMan]

blist every single person who disrespect you
blist them all!
blist mobb deep!
blist Biggie!
blist East coast!
ok im done.

p.s. was listening to hit em up while writin this =/ my bad

[Amiraphe]

Have your lower level members go /anon and ignore the clowns telling you to leave.



OMG, it is so simple but so true. I swear, I feel like an arse not even thinking of this! I was so completely worked up over the ethics of my issue that I never even stopped to consider a simple solution! It is a shame we need to do this, but you know, it's preferrable to splitting hairs in /tells with jerks. Thanks!

[Icemage]

Glad I could help, and good luck to you. :)


Icemage

[Shykin]

the bright version hurts my eyes X.X, like a giant flash light on my monitor.

[Yuanlung]

the bright version hurts my eyes X.X, like a giant flash light on my monitor.


Turn your monitor's brightness down a notch? >.>

It will last longer too.

[Samuzuki]

Meh when i go to cadevra mire there is just 75 merit pts claiming as many imps as possible at once kinda annaoying when youir just trying to get a new mob for your chain and they claim it when they already have 3 claimed >.>.

[Irisjir Callard]

Another thing to consider is that people DID notice that the entire pt is in the same linkshell.

I don't know about the rest of the server, but I know when I see an entire party from one linkshell, if it's not standing around a dynamisis entry point, I get a bit suspicious that it's a RMT LS. Granted, there are exceptions for some of the major country-related linkshells, BastokSpecialForces, WindurstAlliance, but if it's a relatively unknown linkshell partying with itself, ESPECIALLY if there is a wider level gap than normal, I'll write it off as a RMT group.



The other day I was running through Valkrum Dunes and I came upon this Army of TaruTaru. I mean Army, capital A, there must have been an alliance and a half of them, all with the same face and hair color too, all with the same linkshell, all wearing the level 1 starter gear. I thought I'd come upon a bunch of garrrison NPCs that had gotten lost on the way.

Anyway, it was quite a spectacle, and I mentioned it in LS, turns out everybody but me knew about them and they're a new RMT group on Midgard.

[ikkleste]

Another thing to consider is that people DID notice that the entire pt is in the same linkshell.

I don't know about the rest of the server, but I know when I see an entire party from one linkshell, if it's not standing around a dynamisis entry point, I get a bit suspicious that it's a RMT LS. Granted, there are exceptions for some of the major country-related linkshells, BastokSpecialForces, WindurstAlliance, but if it's a relatively unknown linkshell partying with itself, ESPECIALLY if there is a wider level gap than normal, I'll write it off as a RMT group.



wow...

I don't mean this as an attack on you in any way, but does any one else find this kind of attitude quite sad? That in a game where the whole point is to play together socialise, build a community, that those doing so are veiwed as the type of people who are try to tear it all down. Are people's suspicions of gillsellsers so high that all it takes to be suspected of being one is to be playing the game with a few friends. :cry: Is that really where we are as a community?

Like i say nothing personal Irijir, just a little shocked that people really have this attitude.

As for the OP. Don't let em grind you down, you keep playing however is fun, especially considering that you are being considerate to others in the area.

[Aeolus]

Yea thats some sad attitude. Do you know all the LS names? Why wouldnt they be together, they are a linkshell? Why if they are standing at dynamis entry points etc would they not be RMT?

[avhmia]

OP, good on you helping out your LS mates. It really makes me happy to know that there are still folks that will do stuff just to make their friends happy and help them succeed, indtead of being totally obsessed with their own wants.

And Irisjir, that's really not a great assumption to make. I've been in several static parties where all the members wore the same pearl (the LS being just for the STPT). My LS often exps together (full parties wearing our pearl), farms together, and does missions together. We even harvest and mine together, and many of us tend to be anon except when we're exping. :/

[Murphie]

So now groups of LS mates who are getting exp together in unconventional areas while possibly anon are RMT? What is the world coming to?

[Nazo]

My LS often plays together, be it static parties, skill ups, whatever. I don't get this attitude of people sticking their noses into other people's business and constant suspicion of anyone doing anything that isn't considered 'normal' behaviour, pretty unpleasant in my opinion.

[Ellipses]

Crap, now I'll have to tell my LS we're RMT. :(

I knew we should have nipped it in the bud when we started to do things together. Normal linkshells just bitch about their current parties and mt cyb0rz and say "When are we doing 5-1?"

[Murphie]

and say "When are we doing 5-1?"The answer is inevitably, "when you're not online". At least in my experience. :worry:

To the OP (before we go too far off topic): I think it's great that your group decided to value companionship over optimal EXP/hour. Not that there is anything wrong with valuing the latter, but I just think it's great that you wanted to spend some time together with friends of disparate levels. So, don't worry too much about what other people say. Unless, of course, they are all "Oh noes, RMT!"

[Kirsteena]

So now groups of LS mates who are getting exp together in unconventional areas while possibly anon are RMT? What is the world coming to?

/grin.

Cute new avatar Ael - I take it that was you yesterday then lol...

[Murphie]

My avatars are very literal lately.

[Amiraphe]

don't mean this as an attack on you in any way, but does any one else find this kind of attitude quite sad? That in a game where the whole point is to play together socialise, build a community, that those doing so are veiwed as the type of people who are try to tear it all down. Are people's suspicions of gillsellsers so high that all it takes to be suspected of being one is to be playing the game with a few friends. :cry: Is that really where we are as a community?

Yes it is sad, sadly to say. Some of our LS members and I have been playing with each other since the game came to NA, over two years. I've seen attitudes change over the years, and it's practically a witch hunt to assume nowadays people are RMT for being together playing in one shell, having good gear, or feeling like crafting all day long. But, that's another topic!

[Kirsteena]

To the OP (before we go too far off topic): I think it's great that your group decided to value companionship over optimal EXP/hour. Not that there is anything wrong with valuing the latter, but I just think it's great that you wanted to spend some time together with friends of disparate levels. So, don't worry too much about what other people say. Unless, of course, they are all "Oh noes, RMT!"

Agreed. I had this last night. People with whom I have merited before badgering me to go xp with them for 1337 15/20k an hour - I chose to go merit with friends who I have been with every Monday for the past 2 months. Regular set up, friends from linkshells past and present, and 10k an hour unstressed. Seriously. I was nuking to burn up mp because my convert timer was up. Xp like that - waaaay more fun, and that is what memories are made of.

[DakAttack]

And Irisjir, that's really not a great assumption to make. I've been in several static parties where all the members wore the same pearl (the LS being just for the STPT). My LS often exps together (full parties wearing our pearl), farms together, and does missions together. We even harvest and mine together, and many of us tend to be anon except when we're exping. :/

This I find humorous. How many other linkshells actually harvest and mine together if they're not selling the gil? I don't think there's a single LS on Seraph that farms together outside of sky and dynamis.

I highly doubt you have a linkshell full of Dehorses that need to do EVERYTHING with somebody else.

[Kirsteena]

This I find humorous. How many other linkshells actually harvest and mine together if they're not selling the gil? I don't think there's a single LS on Seraph that farms together outside of sky and dynamis.

Nor on Bahamut tbh. A couple of us maybe farm together, but nothing like the hoards of gilsellers hitting Taresque or anything...

[Neomage]

Not everyone uses the dark theme here. I prefer the default white/blue scheme myself, but the colorized text should probably have been left default.

There are diffrent themes?!?

O.o

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[Murphie]

Yes. You can change them via options, or at the bottom of some pages.

[avhmia]

This I find humorous. How many other linkshells actually harvest and mine together if they're not selling the gil? I don't think there's a single LS on Seraph that farms together outside of sky and dynamis.

I highly doubt you have a linkshell full of Dehorses that need to do EVERYTHING with somebody else.

We don't do absolutely everything together, but we do a lot. We are all RL friends and we have the same play time. We work together to support each others crafting levels, so when we hit Giddeus to harvest (for example), we do it in force. It's the same for logging (for our aspiring woodcrafter), farming hides and skins for our leathercrafter, or mining for my husband's smithing mule. We level our jobs together as well, and while I'm not saying it never happens, it's rare to see any of us leveling alone (I exp/merity WHM by myself because no one else has a job near my level.)

All told, we easily spend 75% or more of our online time playing together, enjoying each others' company, and helping each other level crafts.

Is that really so hard to believe? :eek:

[Illuen]

This I find humorous. How many other linkshells actually harvest and mine together if they're not selling the gil? I don't think there's a single LS on Seraph that farms together outside of sky and dynamis.

I highly doubt you have a linkshell full of Dehorses that need to do EVERYTHING with somebody else.

*raises hand* In the past my LS has put together parties for easy farming of crafting items. It saves time, and it is always a ton of fun to go and do something with your LS, be it farming or whoring my cute little taru body out in lower jeuno..


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You know you want me.

[Murphie]

*raises hand* In the past my LS has put together parties for easy farming of crafting items. It saves time, and it is always a ton of fun to go and do something with your LS, be it farming or whoring my cute little taru body out in lower jeuno..


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You know you want me./want

[Illuen]

/want

That will be 5000gil. And remember: No kissing on the lips.

[Draco Dagon]

Hi all, I don’t like to post a rant, and this really isn’t, it’s more of a “Please…come on, will ya, heh?!” type of post.



Ever since the new areas opened up to us all, life has been fun in FFXI land. I’ve enjoyed leveling there with a just a few people in my LS, we are 70+. The experience is fast, the mobs are plenty and above all, I’m with my mates.



Well, a week ago, a few people in my LS who are between 60-65 complained about being 2k away TNL, or they can’t get an invite, etc…The usual complaints of seeking and being in pick up parties. So, as my 70+ mates and I were heading onto the new area to exp, we said to our friends, “Hey, why don’t you join us?!” So, they did. We’ve had them join us each time we've gone since because it was a blast, except for one problem, which I will explain soon….



See, we didn’t care about the huge level differences, or that the experience points would be low, or that it wasn’t an “ideal” set up. All we cared about was helping out our LS friends, making them happy, gaining mild exp fast and above all having a great time together. However, it was treated as a crime against FFXI nature.



Whenever we find a camp, we make sure we’re not planted near anyone else’s domain. If we notice there is a lot of pulling competition out there from too many parties, we wait patiently for pops by us, and there are plenty of pops everywhere to go around for all those camps. We never ever would steal a mob someone was obviously engaged in pulling, we never have. We really try to treat everyone with respect.

The problem is, our people between 60-65 are getting tells from miscellaneous pullers and passer bys to “GTFO. You don’t belong here.” And the like. Also, we ALL will be heavily examined by other players and given those emotes of /sighs dejectedly /stares blankly and on and on. Our WHM in the LS that we convinced to join us is level 60 only. This seems to throw a lot of people checking us out into a froth! If they only knew this level 60 WHM is so talented in his skill that we trust him to take care of all of us and he never let us down. But when they see him there, we get /points and laughs.



Come on….If we stay in a corner, if we respect fellow players, if we don’t steal mobs in different spawning areas where other camps are, why should we—our little group—bother you? When is partying with your LS mates and helping them out and showing them a good time in a new area a crime? I’m sure we’re not the only LS that does this on any server.



All I can say is, if it does offend you to see this set up, if they’re not treading on your camp or your mobs, if they leave you alone, please just leave them alone as well.

Kill them all... problem solved! :D

OMG, it is so simple but so true. I swear, I feel like an arse not even thinking of this! I was so completely worked up over the ethics of my issue that I never even stopped to consider a simple solution! It is a shame we need to do this, but you know, it's preferrable to splitting hairs in /tells with jerks. Thanks!

Sometimes, the best solution is that simple solution no one ever thinks of till the end.