RMT Hunting

[poorwhitechild]

Wasup yall.. Ya thats right RMT hunting..
I'm throwing this out to see what kind of response I'll get..

I want to start a crew of good ppl willing to make hella gil and get
a few rmts fired.. MPK no thanks.. I'd rather see them loose there lame
ass jobs..
Why am I doing this.. well the name says it all. and I hate cheaters.
Farming is tough enough without having to deal with rmts... Lets take this
game back from them. One area at a time.

hmm I'll start with The Sanctuary of Zi'Tah.. Wstcc see you soon:evil:
We are the voices in this game.. Let GMs deal with the ppl they can.. we can get the rest..

[Murphie]

So, if you don't plan on using MPK, then how exactly do you plan to "hunt" them?

Not that I'm sure I want to encourage yet another RMT thread, but I'm idly curious.

[RunningDemon]

Only way to hunt is to go to Citipait spawn and beat them down when they get charmed, sorry to burst your bubble.

[Theyaden]

I think he's suggesting killing the mobs their hunting in order to reduce their productivity. A few friends in wow decided to get a group of Chinese gilfarmers out of a zone so they killed everything in the zone and kept it clean until the group logged out.
You won't get anyone fired by this, but you may be able to hurt their quota's encouraging moving to another area with less competition. It's not such a bad idea if you know where they're operating and what they're hunting. Having their earners hampered will still irritate them since time is money when your paying someone who is now producing half as much product for the same worktime they put in yesterday.
What I'ld realy like to see is SE anouncing a mass gilbuyer ban (Enough to make the remaining buyers question if the risk of banning is worth not having to farm) because as much as I dislike the sellers I absolutely lothe the cheaters who buy gil.

If you do see a gilseller charmed be sure and help out the rest of the party by putting him out of your missery. MPK oh no Mr. GM I thought they were going to wipe so I had to kill their charmed whitemage that banish could've done some mad damage :+D

[sevenpointflaw]

"A player? I thought it was an NM!"

[Neomage]

"A player? I thought it was an NM!"

OMG thats awsome!

[Kailea]

...... really, this is stupid. and for the record not all RMT cheat, you cant say every cheater is an RMT neather.

[Auron517]

...... really, this is stupid. and for the record not all RMT cheat, you cant say every cheater is an RMT neather.

Kailea, why is it that everytime someone talks bad about RMT you immediately throw them a negative attitude? Everytime a solution to Gilsellers differs from looking in the other direction and pretending they don't exist, you have a problem.

I really can't understand it. You whine and start lecturing people about morality when they plan to MPK Gilsellers, but when someone comes along with a way to combat RMT in an unthreatening manner, you still have complaints.

Just when are you going to realize that RMT is not a good thing, regardless of wheter or not they're currently utilizing cheats/exploits? They are not positive aspects of the community and do not deserve to be respected. You either need to start learning that now, or get off IGE's payroll.

[Theyaden]

...... really, this is stupid. and for the record not all RMT cheat, you cant say every cheater is an RMT neather.

Best guess you are refering to my post since nothing was quoted I'm making an assumtion however and if I am incorrect please disregard.


What I'ld realy like to see is SE anouncing a mass gilbuyer ban (Enough to make the remaining buyers question if the risk of banning is worth not having to farm) because as much as I dislike the sellers I absolutely lothe the cheaters who buy gil.


I did not sugest that every cheater buys gil however since buying gil is a process that gives one player an advantage over another through a method that SE has labled against the rules it does make every gillbuyer a cheater. I didn't even touch on if gilsellers cheat I've always thought of them as a neighborhood drug dealer pedaling something that general sosciety disaproves for various reasons. I'ld rather not see either one in my neighborhood or in my server.

I do have to ask though why are you searching for RMT posts in the Garuda room and other places if you hate these threads so much? I just avoid topics that hold no interest for me. /confused

[Bricklayer]

...... really, this is stupid. and for the record not all RMT cheat, you cant say every cheater is an RMT neather.

I guess technically a gilseller could earn money without cheating, but I would say a buyer is cheating...? Regardless, I think the OP has an interesting proposition, which should be completely within the ToS, right? Unfortunately, it's a two-edged sword, because it still precludes other players/parties from hunting/farming those areas, unless a rotation were set up between the non-RMT parties... It's kind of a like a sit-in, I suppose.

[Grizzlebeard]

The problem with the proposal is from a legitimate farmer's point of view you're replacing one restrictive practice with another. Say I want to farm Goobues and when I get there the zone is full of RMT and an anti-RMT alliance killing all the mobs then I'm going to be shit out of luck getting any claims. Granted, the alliance may invite you to share the drops but I've seen this kind of thing happen with Stroper Chyme for example and no invites were forthcoming and as the OP said himself:

I want to start a crew of good ppl willing to make hella gil

Sounds to me like the impact on the legitimate players is going to be just as bad as an RMT monopoly if they're not part of the "crew".

[Bricklayer]

The problem with the proposal is from a legitimate farmer's point of view you're replacing one restrictive practice with another.... Sounds to me like the impact on the legitimate players is going to be just as bad as an RMT monopoly if they're not part of the "crew".

Exactly. The only way I see this working is if the RMT get discouraged and decide never to come back to the hunting grounds. Then, it would be up to the "crew" to leave as well, and perhaps chase the RMT off at another site. Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing the RMT would really get discouraged, especially if they are able to farm in that zone 24/7. The "crew" has to leave sometime, right?

I still think banning gilbuyers sounds more effective, assuming it could be done discriminately.

[Auron517]

I have to agree. Can you imagine the amount of people SE would scare into not buying Gil, if they started handing out perma bans to the people that were found paying for it?

If SE came out with an announcement that they were no longer tolerating Gilbuyers, and then immediately started enforcing their decision through action, it would seriously hinder if not completely put a stop to players pulling out their credit cards because they're too lazy to farm.

[Aeolus]

Killing all the mobs in the zone is just going to create mass annoyance from all the legit farmers. All your doing is hurting the economy bad by lowering prices on one thing and not on another. You can't farm everything that the gilsellers do unless you have an army so they will just move onto something else as its their job and monopolize those items. Seens as monopolizing doesnt seem to be agaisnt ToS nothing will still be done about it and you will have random prices on items causing even more problems imo.

I like this idea of SE biting down hard on the gilbuyer. Eventually once enough were banned the buyer/seller ratio would be to low for it to be worthwhile and they would vacate our servers permanently.

[Kailea]

yes it would be nice if SE did something, but liike many have siad, they cant most of the time, most people dont realize how much has to be done before SE can make sure thye are RMT and ban.

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Kailea, why is it that everytime someone talks bad about RMT you immediately throw them a negative attitude? Everytime a solution to Gilsellers differs from looking in the other direction and pretending they don't exist, you have a problem.

I really can't understand it. You whine and start lecturing people about morality when they plan to MPK Gilsellers, but when someone comes along with a way to combat RMT in an unthreatening manner, you still have complaints.

Just when are you going to realize that RMT is not a good thing, regardless of wheter or not they're currently utilizing cheats/exploits? They are not positive aspects of the community and do not deserve to be respected. You either need to start learning that now, or get off IGE's payroll.


no I have a problem with people takeing matters into their opwn hands, and doing somethign stupid. you see a "gilseller" you cant be 100% they are a seller unless you ask then and they say yes, then you call a GM and politly tell the GM (none of this OMG chiness RMT over here) that you think so and so is cheating, or is an RMT and let the GM take care of it, this is all you can and should do, it is what GMs are for

[Grizzlebeard]

they cant most of the time, most people dont realize how much has to be done before SE can make sure thye are RMT and ban.

S-E could ban all those accounts tomorrow without requiring any shred of proof and the players would have no recourse as they agree to that every time they log in. It's not real life, we're not disputing the ethics of sending people to the chair on the basis you might execute an innocent. It's a gaming environment where certain players monopolise content and ruin the enjoyment of the majority at the cost of the minority. I trust S-E would be savvy enough to provide some kind of appeal process in the event of a queried ban anyway.

[Neomage]

yes it would be nice if SE did something, but liike many have siad, they cant most of the time, most people dont realize how much has to be done before SE can make sure thye are RMT and ban.

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no I have a problem with people takeing matters into their opwn hands, and doing somethign stupid. you see a "gilseller" you cant be 100% they are a seller unless you ask then and they say yes, then you call a GM and politly tell the GM (none of this OMG chiness RMT over here) that you think so and so is cheating, or is an RMT and let the GM take care of it, this is all you can and should do, it is what GMs are for

The thing is, this dosn't work. People have gotten Temp. Bans for doing this, because the GMs say they are asking the RMT to buy gil from them. And then they don't even send the RMT into goal.

SE serriously needs to keep closer tabs on their GMs, I think some are getting a paycheck from IGE.

[Lasswyn]

The thing is, this dosn't work. People have gotten Temp. Bans for doing this, because the GMs say they are asking the RMT to buy gil from them. And then they don't even send the RMT into gaol.

Quite right. From what I've read on the subject, it's kinda like on "Law & Order" when they plant someone in a restaurant with the suspect and wiretap the bowl of fruit on the table, and the plant has to get a confession out of the perp without crossing a delicate invisible legal line beyond which the confession is going to be tainted and thrown out by the judge. That sort of thing.

I've also heard that if they come out and admit they're RMT without any provocation from one of us, THEN they could be banned. GL finding one stupid enough to do that.

[Grizzlebeard]

You know, they have access to all player information and actions in game. They can see player X meet player Y and give him 50 mil and then move on and give player Z another 20 mil ad infinitum. They could even go to a gilselling site and arrange to meet a seller ingame to get 100% confirmation. They choose not to and the same old sellers still run amok. I really think, despite what S-E preaches, they don't want to solve the RMT issue. Their actions are in direct opposition to their statements.

Also, to those who would cite the fact 300-400 accounts were banned that's really a drop in the ocean and I'd question who they banned because I experienced three such banning actions while I played that I can recall and still saw the same RMT ply their trade daily. When nothing decisive is done about RMT and the game made harder and clumsier for legit players through the implentation of things like a gil sending limit then it's no wonder some factions of players will resort to taking their own actions. While I don't condone it I can fully understand it.

[little ninja]

G.M are only helpful if your stuck. or you have a Bst in the zone you wanna get rid of.other then that they sit there play online poker or look at animal porn on the interweb.

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[ValisOfValefor]

G.M are only helpful if your stuck. or you have a Bst in the zone you wanna get rid of.other then that they sit there play online poker or look at animal porn on the interweb.

little ninja how do you know about that last part :eek:

[Murphie]

I just don't see what is so amusing about them posting a job listing for bilingual GMs. They are about to release French and German clients, so it would make sense to hire GMs that can speak and understand those languages.

[little ninja]

little ninja how do you know about that last part :eek:

LoL i was just thrown in jail over the weekend. an the 2 Gm's sounded like i had just disturbed them from something important.

Double Post Edited:
I just don't see what is so amusing about them posting a job listing for bilingual GMs. They are about to release French and German clients, so it would make sense to hire GMs that can speak and understand those languages.

The funny part is if they hire players who hate the gil sellers...

[Kurenaii]

"A player? I thought it was an NM!"

LOL Someone I know said something similar to that when he got aggro'd by a Fomor Bard.

"A monster!? D: I thought it was a player."

Anyway, the idea is kind of cool I guess, but I doubt it will really stop them tbh.. lol.

[Murphie]

LOL Someone I know said something similar to that when he got aggro'd by a Fomor Bard.

"A monster!? D: I thought it was a player."

Anyway, the idea is kind of cool I guess, but I doubt it will really stop them tbh.. lol.This thread died in July. Please check the last post date of threads before posting in them.

[Theyaden]

This thread died in July. Please check the last post date of threads before posting in them.

Ahh but if he had made a new post someone else would yell at him for not using the Search function. Then again using the search function means he's necroposting I don't think he could really win on this one ^^.

[Murphie]

Well if he'd had something really important to add, a new thread or a necropost would have been fine.