Tribunal Linkshell is Recruiting

[neocron]

Tribunal is a Final Fantasy XI Linkshell based on the Gilgamesh Server that was established in June 2006. Tribunal is a new endgame Linkshell which, at this time, specializes in Sky raids. We are a friendly, family-oriented Linkshell which supports our members endgame goals.

Tribunal does not support or endorse actions and activites that violate the Final Fantasy XI Terms of Service (TOS) Agreement. We here at Tribunal feel that such actions and activies goes against the spirit of the game and hinders the enjoyment of the game for all players.

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Tribunal Rules and Policies
Last Updated: June 16, 2006

- Profanity and other offensive language (including, but not limited to ethnic and sexual) will not be tolerated. Such behavior will result in one (1) warning. A repeat offense will result in being asked to leave the Linkshell.

- Tribunal has a one Sky-LS only policy. Please note that at this time, Tribunal only does Sky runs. If and when Tribunal branches out into other areas (Sea, HNM's, Dynamis, etc), this rule will become a blanket policy. Social LS's are exempt from this rule.

- Attendance to Tribunal Sky Farming runs and Sky God Raids are mandatory. Members who fail to attend three (3) runs within a one month period may be asked to leave the Linkshell. There is one exception to this rule. We here at Tribunal understand real-life obligations and it's impact on play-time. If anything should come up that prevents you from attending a Tribunal run, please contact one of the officers. Members who contact an officer will be excused from the run and this excusal will not count towards the three (3) run abscences per month tally. Please note that should you be excused from a run and remain online doing other things, your excusal will be revoked and your failure to attend will count towards the three (3) run absences per month tally.

- When attending a Tribunal run, please come prepared (i.e. bring supplies and/or Oil and Powder).

- Try to be on-time for all Tribunal runs. A grace-period of 30 minutes will be extended to allow time for members to meet at the designated meeting places. After the 30 minute grace period has expired, the run will start with or without you.

- During Tribunal Runs, please refrain from chatting in /linkshell. During Tribunal Runs, /linkshell chat is reserved for linkshell-wide communication as it pertains to the Run (example: designated pullers in Dynamis using /linkshell to announce a pull).

- Membership into Tribunal requires the following:
At least one (1) job at level 75.
Access to Tu'Lia (Sky)

- Tribunal has a zero-tolerance policy in regards to third-party programs and/or actions that break the Final Fantasy XI Terms of Service Agreement. That said, individuals who use third party programs such as (but not limited to) Windower and Bot-scripts) will not be allowed membership into Tribunal. Any Tribunal member (or officer) that is found to use any such program will be immediately asked to leave the Linkshell. This also applies to MPKing, harrassment, RMT, and other such activities mentioned either directly or indirectly in the Final Fantasy XI Terms of Service Agreement.

- Points are accrued/used according to the following standards:
Two (2) points will be earned for attending each farming run. Leaving a farming run early will result in a Two (2) point penalty.

Points will be earned for attending the following Raid Runs:

Two (2) Points - General Limbus Areas
Two (2) Points - Sky Gods (Genbu, Byakko, Seiryu, Suzaku, and/or Kirin)
Two (2) Points - Kings (Behemoth, King Behemoth, Fafnir, Nidhogg, Adamantoise, and/or Aspidochelone)
Three (3) Points - CoP Wyrms (Vtra, Ouryu, Tiamat, and/or Jormugand)
Three (3) Points - Jailors aka Sea Gods (Faith, Fortitude, Temperance, Hope, Justice, Prudence, Love, and/or Absolute Virtue)
Three (3) Points - Proto-Omega / Proto-Ultima

Points may be used to lot on drops. Different drops have different point values.

When determining lotting priority, the individual with the highest number of points has lotting priority on a single item, followed by the individual with the next highest number of points and so on. At the beginning of a run, the lotting priority will be announced. In the event two (2) or more individuals have the same number of points (a tie), those individuals will /random to determine lotting priority, where the individual with the highest /random becomes the individual with lotting priority. Individuals with lotting priority can either stay or pass, which is defined as:

Stay: By using Stay, the individual will keep their lotting priority for an item. Should the item drop, that individual will be the one who lots on the item while everyone else passes. The item's point value will be deducted from the individual's Point Tally.
Pass: By using Pass, the individual passes on their lotting priority for an item. The individual with the next highest number of points will get lotting priority (who can either choose to Stay or Pass).

There is no job priority for items. The only prerequisite for lotting priority is to have the required number of points to lot on an item.

Crafting items (such as Damascene Cloth, Shining Cloth, etc) may be lotted on only by individuals who are going to use the item towards having an item made that specifically calls for the item in question in it's recipe (i.e. Shining Cloth and Noble's Tunic). These items may not be lotted on to be sold for profit by individuals. In the event that this criteria is not met, the item will be held in the Linkshell Bank for a period of one (1) month. During this holding period, individuals may exchange their points for the item provided they meet the critera. At the end of this time, the item will be sold and the proceeds will be held by the Linkshell Bank. Points may be exchanged for gil from the Linkshell Bank at a rate of ten (10) points per one (1) million gil. Note the ability to exchange points for gil is limited by the amount of gil held by the Linkshell Bank (which will be reported along with a transaction history on a monthly basis on the Tribunal Forums).

Items obtained from Tribunal Runs may not be sold. Individuals caught selling an item obtained from a Tribunal Run will be required to pay the sale price of the item at the time the individual is caught to the Linkshell Bank. Failure to pay the required amount will result in being asked to leave the Linkshell. Please remember items obtained from Tribunal Runs are obtained through the hard work of many people and selling an item obtained from a Tribunal Run is basically profiting off of the hard work of others.
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If you are interested in joining Tribunal, please visit the Tribunal - Recruiting section of the Tribunal Website forums, located at:

http://www.guilduniverse.com/tribunal/ThreadsView.aspx?fid=53372

The Tribunal Website is located at:

http://www.guilduniverse.com/tribunal/

[Legal Fish]

It is friendly and family oriented but does not allow chat during events? I'd like to remind you how boring stuff can be that doesn't require 100% attention... things like farming water or travelling to another place in sky.

Your rules are pointlessly complex and strict(once again, not so friendly and family oriented), the fact you number people's days right off the bat or not letting them cuss or not even use windower is like turning some fun(yay FFXI!) into something without freedom (boo FFXI if Hitler took SE's place!).

You seem to believe that making a list of well-worded paragraphs into complex rules and all that will make your LS good, which is false, as rules are only read once or twice. What your LS will need is a leader with charisma and people to feel like they are not working at a job(which FFXI is, if you take away the fun chat part of it, which you are doing).

Nothing good can come of being overzealous about windower or not chatting over the LS. Why join your LS when they can join an older LS with more experience and actually feel like a human-being with friends. Your LS isn't going to kill kings, wyrms, or ect in its first 6+ months, so why even bother putting numbers on it, it just looks like you rather fantasize about it than actually setting up a system that works with you'll be doing (sky and pop NMs). Putting this high-and-mighty standard on your linkshell without any basis what-so-ever is going to make it fall right on its face.

I don't mean to be offensive, but please re-read this a couple times until you understand it's meaning. I'm sorry if it is a downer.

[Bravura]

http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=124048

lol

[neocron]

First of all, your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired if you interprete

During Tribunal Runs, please refrain from chatting in /linkshell. During Tribunal Runs, /linkshell chat is reserved for linkshell-wide communication as it pertains to the Run (example: designated pullers in Dynamis using /linkshell to announce a pull).

as not talking at all. All that rule is saying is during Tribunal Runs, /linkshell chat is reserved for specific purposes such as the example I cited in the rule. Your experience with endgame linkshells is significantly lacking if you honestly think it's "OK" to have non-essential conversation taking place in /linkshell chat during an event.

Now perhaps I wasn't clear in my wording, since in the /linkshell chat rule I use the term "Tribunal Run", while in the point distribution standards, I clearly define a "Raid Run" and a "Farming Run", as evidenced below:

- Points are accrued/used according to the following standards:
Two (2) points will be earned for attending each farming run. Leaving a farming run early will result in a Two (2) point penalty.

Points will be earned for attending the following Raid Runs:

Two (2) Points - General Limbus Areas
Two (2) Points - Sky Gods (Genbu, Byakko, Seiryu, Suzaku, and/or Kirin)
Two (2) Points - Kings (Behemoth, King Behemoth, Fafnir, Nidhogg, Adamantoise, and/or Aspidochelone)
Three (3) Points - CoP Wyrms (Vtra, Ouryu, Tiamat, and/or Jormugand)
Three (3) Points - Jailors aka Sea Gods (Faith, Fortitude, Temperance, Hope, Justice, Prudence, Love, and/or Absolute Virtue)
Three (3) Points - Proto-Omega / Proto-Ultima

I will change the /linkshell rule to properly reflect when general /linkshell chat is inappropriate (which is during Raid Runs).

Your rules are pointlessly complex and strict(once again, not so friendly and family oriented), the fact you number people's days right off the bat or not letting them cuss or not even use windower is like turning some fun(yay FFXI!) into something without freedom (boo FFXI if Hitler took SE's place!).

Once again, you clearly have little experience with the endgame scene in FFXI. Killing Kirin your first couple of times is a lot of fun... killing Kirin your x00'th time is not fun. The same can be said of most of the endgame. It's fun when it is new... but quickly becomes routine. The purpose of an endgame shell is to acquire items that otherwise cannot be obtained (i.e. Kirin's Osode). The purpose of an endgame shell is NOT to have fun... and I would be very interested in speaking to any experienced endgame player (i.e. someone who has been doing endgame activities for more than six months) tell me it's fun.

So why do people participate in endgame shells if the endgame isn't fun? It's all about the rewards. And that is what Tribunal focuses on. If you want to have fun, take my advice when I say don't join the endgame scene. Go join a social LS. If you want to get some nice items for your character, you do the endgame scene.

As for Tribunal's rules being pointlessly complex and strict... I don't see it but then again, that's just me. As I pointed out on the KI recruiting thread, there's endgame shells that will kick you out if you miss a single event. No questions asked. Hell, you want pointlessly complex and strict, allow me to point you to Spoondagger's Application process (located at http://www.iluvitar.com/sections/ffxi/spoondaggers/viewtopic.php?t=2245 ):

Phase 1: Recruitment period. Post your information on the forums for consideration and attend SD events. Ask Alphavision, Sassarai, Mcdohl, or Tasenshadesen in-game for event details.
Phase 2: PM applicants with outstanding attendance the application form.
Phase 3: Review applications and forward the best applications to SpoonGeneral for peer review, and reject applicants with the worst responses. Members should privately tell any negative opinions about applicants to sackholders.
Phase 4: After reading members' opinions, sackholders meet to review applicants recommended by members and decide amongst themselves. At this point it is up to them if the applicant's available jobs are needed and whether or not LS capacity is too much of a burden.
Phase 5: Trial period. Any prolonged violations to the expectations listed in their application will be reviewed by sackholders and may warrant kicking them from the LS. Otherwise, the applicant stays and becomes a welcome new member!

Now that is needlessly complex just to get into a shell. All I got is a couple of questions and that's pretty much it.

Now let's examine 10 things that will get you kicked out of HighCouncil (located at http://s12.invisionfree.com/HCLS/index.php?showtopic=1024 ):

1. applying for another HL linkshell while in HC
2. showing excessive signs of greed and/or selfishness
3. consistently do not attend LS events
4. taking casual LS chat too personally
5. theft of another player's item/property
6. botting / speedhacks (windower / ffassist is fine)
7. unwarranted MPK
8. consistently not following orders at events.
9. coming as jobs you want to come as, and not what's needed for an event
10. not actively helping fellow ls members.

Of paticular note is #9... which basically says what job you want to come as is secondary to what the LS wants you to come as. That's a little draconian in my opinion... but hey, if it works, who am I to criticize?

As for not allowing Windower during runs, my views regarding the use of Windower during events has been pretty much discussed into the ground over on the KI recruiting board. All I can say is it's against the ToS and endgame shells have been put into GM Jail to receive a temporary ban and/or having items earned from killing monsters because someone (or some people) were using third party programs. I am **NOT** going to put myself or anyone else in Tribunal at risk of being penalized because someone feels they have to use third party programs. If you want to to use Windower or other third party programs, do so on your own time. But not during stuff that Tribunal does. If this isn't acceptable, then don't join Tribunal.

You seem to believe that making a list of well-worded paragraphs into complex rules and all that will make your LS good, which is false, as rules are only read once or twice. What your LS will need is a leader with charisma and people to feel like they are not working at a job(which FFXI is, if you take away the fun chat part of it, which you are doing).

Rules are only read once or twice by ignorant children and are rarely followed. Such individuals are not welcome in Tribunal. And for the record, an LS is not defined by it's leader. An LS is defined by it's members and the accomplishments of it's members. A good leader is a leader that acknowledges this fact and fosters this attitude among the members of the LS.

It sounds to me like you enjoy the chatting aspect of FFXI... which is fine. Go join a social LS where people shoot the breeze. Nothing wrong with social LS's.

Nothing good can come of being overzealous about windower or not chatting over the LS. Why join your LS when they can join an older LS with more experience and actually feel like a human-being with friends.

Again, sounds like you want a social LS. To the best of my knowledge, being treated like a human-being is an extreme rarity in the endgame. Your nothing more than a number to most endgame LS's... either a zero or a one. If your a one, you go to anything and everything and sacrifice everything so someone else can benefit from your hard work. If your a zero, your not in an endgame LS for very long because zero's tend to show too many "individual-traits" like thinking for themselves and prioritizing things like Real Life obligations and in-game obligations higher than the LS.

I like to think Tribunal is different than all that. Yea your allowed 3 no-shows a month... but those are 3 unexcused no shows... which, if you understood the rule on this, is any no-show where you didn't take the time to notifiy an officer in the LS that you couldn't make the event.

I don't mean to be offensive, but please re-read this a couple times until you understand it's meaning. I'm sorry if it is a downer.

I don't mean to be offensive either, but clearly your not the kind of individual that Tribunal is catered to. Based on your post, I can deduce that your experience with the endgame scene is limited (if you have any experience at all) and your knowledge of LS mechanics/logistics as it applies to the endgame is practically non-existent. In short, you are probably as qualified to provide constructive feedback on this topic as I am to provide constructive feedback on how to play EverQuest 2. Your looking for a social LS and not an endgame LS... and that's assuming you even play anymore (according to your little stats blip, you don't even play the game anymore... which begs the question "why are you here?"

Oh and I'm not anything like Hitler. If I was, I'd have a rule like "only taru males with silver hair in a ponytail can apply to Tribunal" or "all members must submit an attendance sheet every day".

[Legal Fish]

Your understanding of the end-game is horrible. I rather not get into an arguement over the internet, so say your person insults.

A LS isn't just for rewards, a LS just for rewards is looked as scum by other LSes. I fail to see how a LS for rewards is based is a "family LS" as you put it. I run an end-game LS of my own and end-game LSes that are good usually are ran together by friends not people who are using each other for rewards. The end-game can be fun and is fun while being frustrating. I'll tell you right now, the result of a LS only looking for rewards is the LS that has a lot of drama, gil buyers(guess what, it isn't easy pointing them out), and manthras to cyber with those gil buyers.

All end-game LSes are social LSes with deticated people and events. How do you expect people to waste hours and hours for other people to have an item that'll have a minimal effect overall if they don't even care about that person.

I'd be surprised people don't use windower in your LS. I'm sure your knowledge is vast and all on this since you are so against this, but windowers are entirely client side. SE can not and will not tell if someone is using it. If SE can't neither can you.

[neocron]

Your understanding of the end-game is horrible. I rather not get into an arguement over the internet, so say your person insults.

I'll SAVE (not say) my PERSONAL (not person) insults for people worthy of such insults. I was not insulting you, but merely making an observation. Clearly you took that observation as an insult and that's something you gotta deal with. I don't know you so therefore I have no reason to insult you. I can (and have), however, made observations based on your post.

A LS isn't just for rewards, a LS just for rewards is looked as scum by other LSes. I fail to see how a LS for rewards is based is a "family LS" as you put it. I run an end-game LS of my own and end-game LSes that are good usually are ran together by friends not people who are using each other for rewards. The end-game can be fun and is fun while being frustrating. I'll tell you right now, the result of a LS only looking for rewards is the LS that has a lot of drama, gil buyers(guess what, it isn't easy pointing them out), and manthras to cyber with those gil buyers.

So says the forum poster with the following stats:

Legal Fish is Offline
Join Date: Jun 2006
Style: V4-Light_No-Flash
Main Server: Not_Playing
Gil: 45 (Donate)
Rep Power: 0

Sorry my friend, but I'm not buying your line about running an endgame LS. Ignoring that rather small detail, I stand by my observation. How can you organize and run an LS event like Dynamis when you got most of your members talking in /linkshell about whatever? Your going to end up with a situation where vital event information (such as the puller announcing he's pulling mobs so people know who to /assist) is missed because people aren't paying attention due to general conversation in /linkshell.

Now allow me to spell it out for you. During Raid Runs (I.E. god fights, Dynamis, etc), general conversation is to be limited to /party chat and /tell. /linkshell chat is reserved for alliance leaders, pullers, and mob selectors (when applicable). During Farming Runs and off-time, /linkshell chat may be used by anyone.

Are we clear now on the /linkshell chat rule?

As for the rest of this paticular paragraph... not even worth responding to as I rely on TRUST among the members of my LS. I TRUST people won't use Windower and other third party programs while doing Tribunal stuff... just like I TRUST people won't utilize RMT to buy god pop items and/or other pop items.

All end-game LSes are social LSes with deticated people and events. How do you expect people to waste hours and hours for other people to have an item that'll have a minimal effect overall if they don't even care about that person.

So then why don't you see endgame LS's helping people do Genkei's or camp Lizzy/Emperor? And by your definition, no one would ever join ANY kind of LS in this game because who cares about everyone they share an LS with? If what you were saying was true, there would be hundreds of small LS's comprised of friends and nothing else. While I know such LS's exist, you don't see those LS's killing Kirin or Vtra. And you certainly wouldn't see such LS's killing Dynamis Lord in Dynamis-Xarcabard.

I'd be surprised people don't use windower in your LS. I'm sure your knowledge is vast and all on this since you are so against this, but windowers are entirely client side. SE can not and will not tell if someone is using it. If SE can't neither can you.

Tell that to the people that go onto Allakhazam and complain about how they were banned for using Windower. As for me not knowing.... you need to read my recruiting thread on KI. I said there there is no way for me to know people are using Windower or other third party programs unless they specifically talk about it. Unlike S-E, I don't have the ability to scan the memory of people's computers for unauthorized programs. Unlike S-E, I don't have the ability to tell when data packets have been modified or routed through to alternative destinations prior to being received by the client. All I have is TRUST that people follow the rules I have posted.

On the KI recruiting thread, I mentioned an example of someone talking about parsing their damage on Kirin. This is a pretty good indication that person used a third party program and as such, would be kicked out of Tribunal.

The rule also provides something called Plausible Deniability. If Tribunal is sent to Mordion Gaul because someone has utilized third party programs, all I have to do is point the GM to Tribunal's Rules and Policies to insure that only the person using the third party programs would be penalized for breaking the TOS... rather than the entire LS. This protects the interests of the LS as well as ensuring individual accountability for individual actions.

[WishMaster3K]

Since Neo > All, I will skip his latest rebuttal and focus on where you said:

A LS isn't just for rewards, a LS just for rewards is looked as scum by other LSes

So then why go to sky/sea/dynamis/hnms if you aren't getting something out of it?

Ok, just wanted to point out that fallacy. I return to the rest of the thread.

Oh, hey, Neo, it's Renarudo, lol. This is the forum I hang the most in, but GL getting some Gilgamesh activity on this one >.> We're less than moderately active. With the downfall of Alla, it's been better, but just letting you know.

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Oh and SD and HC are among the biggest botters on the planet. Them and Overzealous, I mean, Osirus.

Haha, you quoted their application process.

Neo wins the internets for tonight.

And unless someone is an occasional poster on this site, quoting their info isn't fair ^^;

[Taskmage]

Knowing something most don't about Legal Fish, I'll say that his statement about running an endgame ls is plausible.

[WishMaster3K]

His methodology, or that he actually runs one?

-Still confused, and still a noob ;.;
Ren

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You and your awsome sigs, TM -_-

[neocron]

Hey Renarudo!!! How ya been?

Now that the shout-out is out of the way... ^^

Oh, hey, Neo, it's Renarudo, lol. This is the forum I hang the most in, but GL getting some Gilgamesh activity on this one >.> We're less than moderately active. With the downfall of Alla, it's been better, but just letting you know.

Yea I did kinda notice the Gilgamesh board here is a bit... slow. It's all good though. I haven't visited allah since the buy-out was announced... and have no plans on posting a recruiting thread there. Kinda figure the people here are better than the people on Allah.

Oh and SD and HC are among the biggest botters on the planet. Them and Overzealous, I mean, Osirus.

LOL! I don't know much about SD... only that I bought an Odorous Knife off of a former SD member for 500k (when it was listed in his bazaar for 900k)... so I can't really talk much about SD. As for HC.................... let's just say I know who they are and let's leave it at that. Some of my friends are in HC... but that doesn't change my opinion of the shell... or it's idiotship... err leadership (with the exception of Bardon who leads their Dynamis runs and is one of my friends). And as for Osiris, I've done some HNM runs with them in the past. I don't know about botting, but I will say they do run a tight ship.

But I have heard bad things about all these shells and is one of the things I'm trying to avoid with Tribunal. I don't want people throwing Tribunal's name around and everyone thinking "damn botters!" or "damn haxxors!" or whatever. The general idea is to have an endgame LS that breaks the mold when it comes to reputation. A lofty goal perhaps... but a goal nontheless. :)

Knowing something most don't about Legal Fish, I'll say that his statement about running an endgame ls is plausible.

Yes, what Legal Fish says is plausible... but highly unlikely. Anyone with any degree of endgame knowledge would recognize my rule about /linkshell chat during runs as a standard rule in Dynamis shells. All I've done is take the rule and apply it to a more broad spectrum. Actually most of Tribunal's rules are applied to a more broad spectrum for a reason. I plan on Tribunal (eventually) doing multiple things like HNM's, CoP Wyrms, and Sea. That said, I don't want seperate rules for each event type. Legal Fish talks about Tribunal's rules being overly complicated... but imagine how complicated the rules would be if I had rules for each type of event. People would end up scratching their heads in confusion and would ultimately end up forgetting rules because their would be so many. By having a few rules that are broadly applied, it saves confusion and saves people from reading a set of rules that is as long as a small book.

His methodology, or that he actually runs one?

-Still confused, and still a noob ;.;
Ren

I think his methodology is what is plausible. How a person can run an endgame LS when they don't even play the game is highly interesting. But yea, the methodology is plausible... but the chances of such an LS getting anywhere would be a problem. Finding 18 people who are friends with everyone is very difficult in this game... let alone finding 18 people who are capable of not thinking of themselves when it comes to endgame drops. What Legal Fish describes is an attribute of a Utopian society... which FFXI's endgame scene is most definitely not.

But that aside, I have heard of isolated instances where an endgame shell formed by friends (RL and in-game) have done endgame stuff. Such shells don't use points and are generally very laid back. Of course, such a thing works because everyone knows everyone else in the shell. Such shells tend to be very xenophobic when it comes to inviting new people out of fear of getting a bad apple. And it should be said that such shells rarely reach the size necessary to do much outside of the four regular gods and occasionally a land god.

They do, however, seem to be much more active in regards to Limbus, since such shells have a higher percentage of members with access to Sea (usually due to the people staticing with each other through CoP).

[Sigmara]

- Tribunal has a one Sky-LS only policy. Please note that at this time, Tribunal only does Sky runs. If and when Tribunal branches out into other areas (Sea, HNM's, Dynamis, etc), this rule will become a blanket policy. Social LS's are exempt from this rule.

Gilgamesh beeing an old server, some social LS have many lvl 75, witch are not against killing some gods. So if I read right social LS killing gods is OK ? ( And yes I already saw that happenning )

I would like to give you some advice : dont plan too much at start. Giving an idea of the numbers of point beeing given if you ever do that kind of stuff is nice but putting the amount of them in stone is not that good imo.

[neocron]

Gilgamesh beeing an old server, some social LS have many lvl 75, witch are not against killing some gods. So if I read right social LS killing gods is OK ? ( And yes I already saw that happenning )

To answer your question Sigmara (hello! btw), such a social LS is not allowed. If the social LS in question does the same things (even if they don't do ALL of the same things) an endgame shell does, then it is an endgame shell and not a social shell. A social shell is defined as a shell where you socialize with other people and get together to do quests and expansion-related content (like missions, Assault, ENM's, etc).

The reason for this is rather simple. If your in Linkshell A which kills Gods and your killing gods with Linkshell B, which Linkshell do you think you should be killing Gods with?

[Legal Fish]

I do run an end-game LS, a casual one because I do have as much time as I used to play the game. I've seen and been king killing LSes however. And if it was about the friendship that developed while getting those rewards. Did you know on Midgardsormr server, there was a LS that lost an E-body drop because someone broke the alliance after losing their lot to a BST? A LS just for rewards, without the friendship between members, that is a possible result. The fact you are alienating most of the community because of your ignorant knowledge on third-party programs. Hate to break it to you, those people on Allakhazam were either lying or the GM was abusing his power for enjoyment, because it is a IMPOSSIBLE for SE to see what is going on in your computer.

PS. Did you know there is something known as being anonymous?

[WishMaster3K]

Don't be so defensive about Windower. Please, good gravy, it's not a big deadl

What do you lose by turning windower off during an event?

The ability to multi-task? Why are you multi-tasking during an event that gets your undivided attention?

Knowing TP Instantly? Why do you need that, when, chances are, there is a set SC, and you and your partner should be actively communicating anyway?

Knowing the HP Percentage of the mob? It's easy to judge that, and this is pretty pointless.

Ranged Accuracy distance? If the player is an above average RNG, this isn't necessary.

Counting Shadows? If the player got past 40 on NIN and can't count their own shadows, they need to quit the job.

The POINT is, there is no need for Windower, and like it or not, thet bottom line is that malicious or not, whether it only affects you, or affects others, whether it ruins the game for other people or not, it is a third-party program.

GMs will see it as such, and no matter how nice you speak to them, they are bound by the ToS. Windower modifies the code so that it can be altered. A game designed to run full-screen should not be editable, quite simply. This is the same reason SE does not support FFXI on Windows Vista, because Vista's innate ability to Window every program running did not sit well with them.

No need for Windower during events.

If you really want to use it, then don't mention it. Either put up, or shut up, quite literally. It's not a big deal, just follow rules -_-

[Legal Fish]

Don't be so defensive about your friend. Please, good gravy, it doesn't involve you!

[neighbortaru]

Please, good gravy, it doesn't involve you!lol the same can be said to you. It's his linkshell, let him run it however way he wants to. People can form their own opinions about it when they join/apply.

[neocron]

The ability to multi-task? Why are you multi-tasking during an event that gets your undivided attention?

lol the same can be said to you. It's his linkshell, let him run it however way he wants to. People can form their own opinions about it when they join/apply.

I couldn't have said it better myself in both instances. You shouldn't be multi-tasking during an event... it's clear and simple. And if you need to look something up while we're doing an event, then that means I have failed as a leader, since it is up to me to ensure all the knowledge on a paticular HNM, drop, or whatever might prior to the beginning of the event.

I do run an end-game LS, a casual one because I do have as much time as I used to play the game. I've seen and been king killing LSes however. And if it was about the friendship that developed while getting those rewards. Did you know on Midgardsormr server, there was a LS that lost an E-body drop because someone broke the alliance after losing their lot to a BST? A LS just for rewards, without the friendship between members, that is a possible result.

Ok... so all LS's that seek reward are greedy and your Path of Friendship is the only path to be taken. Unlike you, Legal Fish, I do not hold myself or my LS as some pinnacle of Righteousness. You don't see me posting on other LS's recruiting threads touting Tribunal's inherant goodness. I believe there are people on Gilgamesh that like the idea of having a level playing field... and thus far I have not been let down in this belief. I believe people work best when they share a common ground... and in Tribunal's case, that common ground is a desire to not deal with third party programs... if only for a few hours a week. It doesn't cater to everyone... but why aren't you slamming HighCouncil for requiring their applicants to be on CoP 5.3 or higher? At least what I'm asking for is easily attainable without long hard hours and grueling fights in what is arguably an elite expansion.

No Legal Fish... the axe your grinding is with Tribunal because you are one of the people who can't live without your third party programs. You like the idea of not having job priority on item drops... but you can't deal with the simple truth that in order to partake of such a perk, you are honorbound to not use third party programs. And that angers you. And like any person who feels they have been wronged, your grinding your axe. And so... here we are. You, like so many others who have similiar axes to grind, attack an LS in some morbid hope that maybe what you say will make the rule which you despise magically disappear. And if that happened, then you and everyone else who hates the rule would be happy and all would be well with the world.

Except then Tribunal would be just like every other endgame shell that I know of. And that's not something I want.

There will be no compromise. The rule stays and that is... as they say.... that.

The fact you are alienating most of the community because of your ignorant knowledge on third-party programs. Hate to break it to you, those people on Allakhazam were either lying or the GM was abusing his power for enjoyment, because it is a IMPOSSIBLE for SE to see what is going on in your computer.

Well as I pointed out on the KI recruiting thread, not like there aren't plenty of LS's in the game to cater to the portion of the community that is incapable of living without their third party programs for a few hours a week.

As for GM's abusing their power.... yea that's possible. But how do you suppose GM jcblue knew people were using Windower? There are plenty of accounts of people who were banned by GM jcblue who never talked about using Windower... but were still banned by him. Makes one think.... and it's that thought that prompts me to impliment such a rule. I don't want Tribunal to be the victim of an abusive GM who is having a bad day. Again... Plausible Deniability.

And I'm glad you know what is IMPOSSIBLE in regards to a game YOU did not program.

PS. Did you know there is something known as being anonymous?

There is no such thing as being anonymous on the internet... especially when your talking about using a computer (or some other device) to connect to another computer. Take a look on Google for IP addresses sometime.

[neighbortaru]

ok can you both stop the stupid arguing/attacks on each other/etc. and get back on topic or do we have to close the thread?

[neocron]

ok can you both stop the stupid arguing/attacks on each other/etc. and get back on topic or do we have to close the thread?

Take my advice and close the thread so no futher replies can be made. I can promise you that as long as Legal Fish (or anyone else for that matter) makes the kind of posts that has been made, I will counter them. Take a peek over at my recruiting thread over on KI that Bravaura was kind enough to link to see proof of my willingness (some might say stubborness) to defend Tribunal.