SH or AF

[Sinistra]

You know I have been thinking about this for awhile now and I just cant dacide which body peace to use, SH or AF! Ok I made a Mithra Monk and got her to 50 and now Im starting to wonder if I should use SH or AF, now I'm bringing into account that she is a Mithra and she has some good Dex which gives me some more Acc. I would really like to hear some opinions on this one please.

[capitalistnihilist]

Clearly, SH is a better piece than AF. The question is whether one should spend the gil on SH when one already has such a nice piece for free.

MNK AF1 body is probably one of the most useful AF1 bodies in the game for melee. The fact that we get it for free is very nice. However, a lot of people are perfectionist or like to keep up with the Jones' so they get the SH. Yes, the extra 5acc is great as is 10eva for those times when you inevitably get hate. Even with this in mind, anyone who tells you SH is mandatory is full of it.

5 acc won't make much of a difference. If you don't already have 2 sniper rings and some sort of ACC neck piece you should look to those places for ACC first honestly. Depending on your server's prices, you could pick up 2x Sniper's or 1x Sniper's and 1x Chivalrous Chain for less than the price of SH. So you end up with +10acc instead of just the 5acc improvement with SH.

With an A+ weapon you may find you don't even really need the accuracy from SH once you have the other slots fitted out with acc gear.

[Freyr]

You got the money=SH
You don't have the money=AF

It's really as simple as that. Monk AF Body is free and it works great but if you got money burning a hole in your pocket get the SH but only after you get all the other sweet gear a monk can wear. O.Kote, Kick Shoes, Monk Belts, just to name a few. It should be close to the last thing you should buy.

The Dex deference between a Mithra and a every other race for a monk is not big. When a Monk Elvaan needs to eat acc food odds are a Monk Mithra would need to also need to eat it, if they were equiped the same. Your HTH Skill and the level difference between you and the thing your fighting makes a much bigger impact then your dex.

[Aeolus]

If you can afford it go for the SH and macro you AF body for Chakra. The Vit+3 isnt really usefull except for Chakra and the 5 xtra acc the SH offers will make a difference. The evasion+10 is gonna help out soloing or those times you get hate in a PT as well. SH is a very usefull piece of equip but it is gonna cost ya :worry:

[AngryUndead]

I love my SH.

It has made me lazy enough to not go do my AF coffer for the body yet.

However, if you don't want to, or you're hitting fine without it, why bother. I wanted it because I've always wanted to wear one. Same thing for Spartan Cesti. So if either you feel like your accuracy blows, or you just want one, then buy it. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry.

[Dryhus]

Even if you have a SH from another job, I think you should still get the Temple Cyclas.

I hate being considered by some WHMs as an MP sponge, so I love Chakra. Try as I might to avoid hate, I still get whacked, and I'm usually watching the last few seconds tick off before I can use Chakra again. 3*VIT is so much sweeter than 2*VIT.

[AngryUndead]

Even if you have a SH from another job, I think you should still get the Temple Cyclas.

QFT

[Tirrock]

Capitalistnihilist hit the nail on the head, I think. Scorpion Harness is probably one of the last things you should by as MNK. You can get the same amount of ACC bonus from chivalrous chain without sacrificing STR for under half the price. Or you can buy spectacles and get +7 acc (which is as much as a scorpion harness +1 gives MNK) for less than the cost of a scorpion harness.

[Aeolus]

Ok, I have to ask cause Ive been confused long enough and can risk the moment of stupidity but what doest QFT mean? :rolleyes:

[Silenus]

Quoted For Truth

[Suichi]

IMO, a SH is not worth the 14+million for 5 more acc, unless you're drop dead rich, stick with Cyclas. There are other things you should get with that anyways, like Snipers/O kote/Brown Belt/ect.

[Aeolus]

Yea thats what people are saying tho, Its great if you can afford it but I would have all those other things as well :p Not sure how much those rse clomps are for tarus at lv62 now on hades, something like 16mil last time I was on I think, cant wait to buy em tho, look so pimp. Or bcnm for them xD

[Arachna]

Considering the Temple Cyclas already gives 5 acc I'd say put the money into something that'll give you more bang for your buck. ie. O. Kote, Brown Belt (if you don't already have it), Sniper/Woodsman rings (personal preference if you want the -def and drk resist or -eva)

[Empedocles]

Chivalrous Chain for less than the price of SH.

A bit off-topic, can someone tell/link me how to get the chain? Alla and Somepage have no info on how to get it....
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(Other than buying it on AH :rolleyes: )

[Sethe]

Assaults points...

[AngryUndead]

Here (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.php/Chivalrous_Chain).

8,000 Lebros Cavern Assault Points.

Thats what I'm working on when I hit 60, come hell or high water.

I just got a steal on a Woodsman's Ring last night and upgraded to an Assault Ring (You know, that Attack + 5) and I so cannot wait to go out to a party again...

[KoukiRyu]

I kinda did a loose experiment with this recently, as I just got 57 a couple days ago...and the way it seems to work is that SH will not make that big of a difference...I was partying in Wajaom Woodlands, beating the crap out of Lesser Colibris for stealing my food, earlier that day I had borrowed an SH from a friend of mine, and whoo...!? I'm still missing as much as I was with my Master's Gi >_>...wtf is going on? So anyway, he needs hs SH back to go level NIN so I send it back and I level and get 58, so throw on my AF, and my Spartan's...and I'm still doing the same hit/miss ratio, but probably more hits, I guess...was it just the one level I got? Or could it be that 5 acc for 7 mill(on midgardosormr) isn't worth it as much as everyone thought? >_>

[Aeolus]

What other gear were you wearing, you cant just base it on the acc from the SH alone. +10 isnt alot unless you boost it together with other +Acc equip.

[Tirrock]

Well, you also have to consider that in that one level you probably got 4 or 5 points of hand to hand skill also...

Double Post Edited:
For KoukiRyu it was +6 acc (scorp harness/master gi) vs +3 acc (spartan/AF1) and several levels of hand to hand skill. >_>a

[KoukiRyu]

Yea I understand...I'm just trying to make myself feel better about not having one >_> I don't think it makes that huge of a difference, but I know for a fact it helps, and as the price has dropped on my server I plan on getting one...just after I re-buy my Brown Belt and Kotes >_<
H2H levels helped me, and I also have Life Belt on...grr I just wish I had one lol

[Aeolus]

I spent my whole damn Thf career wanting one from lv57-71 and the only time I had one was when my mate wasnt lving Nin. Hes so damn rich he bought one for his brd :wasted: theres absolutely no way Im going past 62 without getting one as Mnk xD

[Omni]

i dont understand the big fuss over sh. its only an OK improvment over af1 for mnk, heck its only an OK improvement for a lot of other jobs and their alternate body gears. like others have said, if you really really want to blow your gil on sh, go right ahead, no one is stopping you. but from a utility point of view, it isnt all what its cracked up to be.

as a nin, ive never had the need nor urge to get sh. never had acc problems never had evasion problems. for thfs, i think theres other pieces more important and more effective than sh. ranperre harness for tp gain? cotehardie for fuidama? ones free and ones millions of gil less. for monk, 7.8million gil is not worth 5 acc. you can take that gil and buy +1 str rings or +1 str earrings and STILL have gil left over. 5 acc is nothing when youre chomping down sushi and wearing atk gear. its still nothing when youre wearing acc gear and chomping down meat.

dont mean to come off angry or anything but ive heard so many times in leveling nin that sh is the end all piece yadda yadda... and to be honest, i just dont see it.

[Aeolus]

I just think its an awsome looking piece of gear. Sure you can get +1 str rings ect but I plan on getting all those as well. As for thf I managed fine without it I just ment I really wanted it cause I just really like it. I had Cotehardie for SaTa and Assault Jerkin for Tp gain, worked fine. I know its not end game equip but if youve got the cash, yea sure buy all the usefull stuff first, then you can get it. :biggrin:

[Jei]

hehe yea I used to want SH so bad back when I was still playing my first char :D
Oneday I say a JP shouting he's selling it for 200万 (2 million)
My Japanese was {too weak} back then so I thought it was 200k ^^
So I /tell to the JP and put 200,000gil in the trade box.... and the JP was like, wth!?

[KoukiRyu]

lol I used to think the same thing till I was corrected by my LS. XD
I've just decided that SH is going to be last on my priority of equips to get...many other things are important beforehand, and I'll just get one if I suddenly come into some money lol

[FRITOBANDITO]

hmm... have u guys seen the new arkan samue for mnk? if so do u think its a better or can be an alternative to the SH?

[Tirrock]

* Agility +4
* Attack +5
* Evasion +10
* Subtle Blow +3

It's better than scorpion harness/AF in two situations... When you want (barely) more evasion than a scorpion harness and don't need accuracy, or when you really don't want -20 ice resist from the harness.

I haven't had a situation on MNK where I'd just get rid of 5 - 10 accuracy on my body piece for 5 attack. If I can afford to lose that accuracy, I can probably afford to use hedgehog pie and get a larger attack bonus while keeping an acceptable accuracy level.

[Sephirothkun]

I'd go for SH and AF body for macro in (chakra)

[KoukiRyu]

Okay I'm curious, what do you guys think about Pahluwan Khazagand? I mentioned before on this post that I wouldn't be getting an SH, and now I feel it's completely obsolete in my shiny new Pahlu. >:D But, I really love this thing;
Comments for Pahluwan Khazagand: Set: Enhances "Subtle Blow" effect
Effects for Pahluwan Khazagand:
HP +20
Accuracy +10
Ranged Accuracy +10
Increases Rate of Critical Hits
HP Regeneration While Healing +2

I mean, the increased crits, plus my beautiful Destroyers, plus my newly obtained crit merits...I mean, what's not to love? I end up getting about +13%~ crits with all of that combined, meaning I pull hate all the time and I do awesome damage...but what do you guys think now? Pahlu or SH? And I know the giant level gap, 57-72 using AF, so I guess you could use SH to Pahlu, but all in all I think sticking with AF and going to Pahlu is a lot smarter, and saves you some gil too. :3

[Amovorite]

Personally, I think the Pahluwan Khazagand is a fantastic piece of gear. For massive destructive purposes, I intend to pair that body piece up with a Kawahori Kabuto, plus my Destroyers, and my maxed crit+ merits. Bringing the total to.... oh... 15% + whatever the Pahluwan body gear adds. Engine of destruction. Think I may be buying/crafting many blinding potions to offset using up the blind charges on the Kabuto though. I'd really like to see how that setup would work in various combat situations. Of course I'd have to be curebombed.... 'cause with maxed -enmity merits, I still seem to pull hate w/o much effort....

[KoukiRyu]

I was looking at that headgear...but I really don't like the thought of being blinded just for extra crit...but I still kinda wanna try it, lol...but for now, Destroyers+Pahlu+Crit merits will work just fine for me <3 Oh and btw, Pahlu is only reported to add about 1~3% in crit, but after I dinged 72 I noticed a pretty good difference, dunno exactly if that's right, but seems maybe 3% or a lil more :3

[Lmnop]

I don't know if you're built towards sushi or meat, but that blind kabuto fella seems kinda useless to me for a sushi build (if you have acc to spare, meat dishes will help more than some crit rate)... I guess ideally you'd be a meat build with 10 more acc than normal. Too bad people like... never exp in KRT any more, that would make that hat incredible (since you're already blind so much).

SH unfortunately has one major advantage end-game: Monks do evade quite a bit against VT mobs. having a macro for when you have hate that ups agi (for guard as much as for evasion) and evasion would be nice. Nvm, that's what a full Crow set is for.

[Omni]

Pahluwan Khazagand all the way (vs. SH)
anything that ups crit chance is great, especially on mnks since they attack very often and very fast. not to mention, all the multi-hit ws you guys have.

[Elisen]

i dont understand the big fuss over sh. its only an OK improvment over af1 for mnk, heck its only an OK improvement for a lot of other jobs and their alternate body gears. like others have said, if you really really want to blow your gil on sh, go right ahead, no one is stopping you. but from a utility point of view, it isnt all what its cracked up to be.


I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. I borrowed a scorp harness from a friend for about a month while he was on vacation and really the only use I got out of it was when I was first voke for sata and had a really slow thf and nin in my pt. But as soon as sata went off and the nin voked I changed back to my AF.


The only reason I would ever buy a SH is if I planned on tanking/being first voke all the time, or if I had more money than I knew what to do with and wanted it just for bragging rights. But all in all I don't really think SH is all its cracked up to be.

[Loial]

Monk evasion isn't all that bad. If you are pulling hate, you can dodge reasonably well with a SH (not well enough to tank). However, you can get better bang for your buck.

If you have the gil for a SH, look to improve other pieces of gear that might be lacking. If you are using a Spike Necklace, thing about a Chivalrous Chain. Maybe an Ochiudo's Kote instead of AF hands? How about T.M. Hooks+2 or Cross-counters instead of whatever it is you are using?

Upgrades like that is gil better spent. But, I bet if you have all of those, then you WILL be pulling hate and need that extra evasion :P

[Sinistra]

Well I have decided to post back since this topic has grown pretty bit. I actaully chose to by the SH and so I would know what it was like to use the AF for partys. From what I have seen it works beautifuly. Added Eva though dosnt really help lol I still get hit byt the imps and crap. Hopefully I can sell the SH soon so I can get my Shura Togi :D. Thank you all for the great responses.

[Dryhus]

If you have the gil for a SH, look to improve other pieces of gear that might be lacking. If you are using a Spike Necklace, thing about a Chivalrous Chain.

SH (10 Acc) - AF (5 Acc) = 5 Acc difference
Chivalrous Chain (5 Acc) - Spike Necklace (1.5 Acc) = 3.5 Acc difference

You can argue Store TP, but it's not making a big difference. At 80% Acc, it's an extra 10% TP every 63 rounds. A little under 1.5% TP every minute. You'll never 100% TP sooner than without StoreTP +1. Same goes for 150%, 200%, and 300%. But yes, ultimately it doesn't hurt.

I dunno...I say if you have the money for SH then get the SH...at least rather than spending almost all of it on Chivalrous Chain.

[Vyren]

Migrate to Kujata, they're only 350-400k. XD I think the higher you get, the more the difference in race choice seems to be apparent. I was told by my good 75MNK friend as a mithra I can use SH + focus and have 2 HQSTR rings all the time. I always think Chiv chain is better then PC but that's just personal choice. I think if you're willing to get the money for it, +5acc will always help, but providing you have stuff like brown belt and kote, you can get away with MNK AF body. It's free, so it can't hurt that much. ^^

[Omni]

STR gear has been shown to be less important as u reach 75. Acc is a big key for mnk when letting go of asuran fists. missing 1-2 strikes on asuran is not worth having +10 STR.

i hope your friend doenst tp/ws in str gear.

btw, nice necro post.

[Kildem]

I talk with my monk heart, and i would get the cyclas even if i had kirin osode (let's shoot an importat name just to sound cool lol). So yes, get the cyclas and THEN, if you have the chance, get the harness. Just consider that the cyclas is free, the harness isn't.

[Mog]

I talk with my monk heart, and i would get the cyclas even if i had kirin osode (let's shoot an importat name just to sound cool lol). So yes, get the cyclas and THEN, if you have the chance, get the harness. Just consider that the cyclas is free, the harness isn't.

Congratulations on necroposting in a 9 month old thread.

And if you're a monk and don't have a scorpion harness at 59, shame on you. Farm until you can get enough for it, because it can easily last you until near 75.