Adaman Ingots-> sheets

[Kutu]

After doing some research into what i should synth after level 79 where i currently am, I decided on adaman sheets. This perplexed me slightly as never before have you been able to synth sheets before ingots for any synth. However Somepage and alla had the synth listed as capping at 85, so i figure why not must be right.

Now it turns out another smither in my ls is using adaman sheets to skill on past 90. And pointed me towards KIs crafting list, which does indeed list adaman ingots -> sheets as a 95 capping synth.

I have since been pointed in another direction for leveling my smithing past 79 and onwards to 100.

Now to my question. What does adaman sheets actually cap at? Is it 95? Is it 85? is it somewhere in between? Im anoyed that i didnt check KI before hand, but seeing 2 sources listing it at one cap i figured was good enough. Luckily i only tried 7 synths, 6 successful, 1 crit fail and 0 skill for them all.

~tarutaru~

[Jei]

ffrecipe says 85
http://www.ffrecipe.com/search.php?t=adaman+sheet&s=

also mysterytour, 85
http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.jp/ffxi/us/guild/006smith.htm

Interesting how KI has it at 95... That sure confuses things a lot... Just my personal preference tho. I trust ffrecipe more than anywhere else. Follow by mystery tour. So I'll go with the 85 cap.

Another thing is, even with +5 skill from gear and support, you will still be 11 skill below 95 right? But you success 6 times with only 1 fail. 95 sounds very unlikely, seriously.

How was smithing from 0 to 79? I'm planning to take on smithing too. 30 smith at the moment. Would like to hear your thoughts on this craft ^^

[Kutu]

Ive enjoyed smithing since i started it. Easy enough to make money and easy enough synths. I try to avoid all forms of armour and weapons unless im looking to make them for personal use or someones asked them of me. Consumables is definately the ideal market to aim for. So ingots, sheets, scales, theyre all your friends.

Darksteel is a great money maker especially if you learn the mining points in gusgen mines and just spend a few hours there you can easily work up a stack of these.

As for the levels, i thought it has to be lower than 95 due to my successes in crafting them so far. Im just confused when a mate said they are skilling on them after 89... maybe time to find some high level crafters on bahamut and ask them.

[Neomage]

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[Balfree]

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Fixed it for ya.

[Sethe]

Mystery tour is my bible - somepage I use when I need to look something up fast cos of the search :)

I think that if it were 95, you wouldnt be able to do it - because it would say you are incorrect rank.

[Kutu]

heh. Im stood spamming the Guild npc to check recipes now, he gives me themultiple one with the key item. Trying for solo one still anyway.

Ok the guild npc gave me the recipe at level 79 - adept rank. So im thinking its gotta be 85 cap ty for the help ^^

[Jei]

Gusgen is a good place to mine now? Like 2 years ago the place was so packed with players & gilsellers I could run around for hours finding nothing ><
How is Gusgen compare to ifrit's or oldton? Or Halvung? Have you tried those places?

[Kutu]

I like gusgen mainly as i know where all the points are. Ifriits i find for all the magic aggro and such you have to contend with its too much hassle, especially when for the most part you find yourself digging iron sand -.-

Havent tried halvung for digging yet, aparantly though the results are about the same as that of Gusgen, darksteel and gold being what your after.

Newton and oldton are good if yoru after moblin parts / aluminium ore. Newton tho has the same aggor issues found in ifirits tho.

[Omniblast]

How was smithing from 0 to 79? I'm planning to take on smithing too. 30 smith at the moment. Would like to hear your thoughts on this craft ^^

Don't take up smithing. I'm warning you because I've been stuck at 81 for the past... year and a half. All the botters took up smithing so they made more profit and thusly most of the items up for smithing are by botters that got up to 60 or so.

I've seen it on our Auction Houses on Remora, just giving you a heads up on a long non-profitable road ahead of you. Sometimes I've wished that I've taken up Alchemy or Woodworking Instead. But it's too late for me, stick with your fishing to make profit or Wood Working to fix your rods, but AVOID SMITHING (unless you just want to take it to 60).

[Sethe]

Everyone I know who smiths whines about it almost constantly!

[Kutu]

I only whine when i blow up 300k ingots >.>

This skill has to cap around 85 tho, got a 0.1 last night doing it so ever hopeful :D Gimme 100 now!

[Jei]

Well I'm taking smith just because I want to be a smith >.> haven't thought much in terms of profit. Right now I cook on my mule, so taking up a new craft won't really affect my current income lol ; ; except I'm fishing much less now.

Is Ifrit worth mining if you're going after adaman? That's nice info about the fire sand, but there's no where else you can get adaman can you?

[Kutu]

Ifirts is ok for adaman. its the only place i know of to find it anyway and at 100k an ore, its not to be dismissed. The problem with it is the hassle to mine there. if your exping a BST there im sure you coudl mine at same time though. Generally i stay to gusgen, for i know i can find enough darksteel to make a stack every couple of hours. While Ifrits cauldron does have it, you end up getting so much crap there that i find it worthless going there.

Edit, i meant iron sand not fire sand sorry :D

[Aeni]

Now it turns out another smither in my ls is using adaman sheets to skill on past 90. And pointed me towards KIs crafting list, which does indeed list adaman ingots -> sheets as a 95 capping synth.

Have you found out whether this LS mate of yours is lying or not? Unfortunately, the vast majority of LS are filled with people finding the need to compete with each other, never mind the fact that they are all in the same LS and should be after solidarity and need to look after each other (I had a friend who was lied to by LS Mates whom he trusted with regards to farming beastmen blood and they purposely lead him to hunt for non-existent mobs in various zones ... all because they didn't want competition themselves)

There is a strong possibility that whoever compiled that list on KI made a typo. It is not uncommon to find typical typing errors riddled in these FAQs, which is a shame and a testament to how much the authors of these FAQs really care about their work...

[Kirsteena]

Nah I know the members who are smithers (being the same ls) and they are always helpful towards each other. Probably he just made a genuine mistake.

Kutu, get to 100 already... :thumbsup:

[Kutu]

Give me more pauldrons then! And make lightningsday at a convenient time for me when i dont dc... and maybe fund my GS to 60 too kirst and i will :D

[Kirsteena]

Give me more pauldrons then! And make lightningsday at a convenient time for me when i dont dc... and maybe fund my GS to 60 too kirst and i will :D

Kutu - there is no time when you won't dc... and I offered about the pauldrons!

[Sethe]

Anticas worse nightmare.

[Kutu]

Heh, waking up at 10am, and finidng 18 in bastok makes me happy. Shame i have no room to put them, but ill work that out somehow. :D

[Kirsteena]

Meh I need to skill up club anyway, might as well go there...

[Kutu]

Heh ill buy em if you do :D

Can probably find something to skill up there too.

[Sethe]

I would offer to join you - but I have nothing that gimp to skillup ;P

[Kirsteena]

Gimp??!! /slap

[Sethe]

Its true ;)

My club is almost capped now o.O

[Kirsteena]

Bet your blm dagger skill is gimpy though :evil:

[Sethe]

Dagger... BLM... lol

I dont know what level it is, but considering my THF is only 25 on Sethe I would imagine rather gimp. Still wont convince me to go level it though ;)

[Jei]

Just spent a day in Zeruhn and another day in Palbrough mines.... I got a lot more useable ores in Zeruhn : / ended with 2 stacks of bronze ingot.

PB mine is so huge... spent like 10 minutes running from 1 point to another point just to find nothing there.... 2 hours I got 3 mythril ores, 1 silver ore and 1 platinum ore. 2 brass ingots were all I could make. Very bad. tons of pebbles ><
Is chocobo digging better for ores ><? Im starting to think this.

Tomorrow I'll try Gusgen.

I'm liking what Yughott has for mining. But somehow I feel like gilsellers will be camping the place.... tell me pls if it's not as bad as I thought >.<

[Kutu]

Ive never tried Yughott for mining, thought ive heard folk say its good for darksteel and the likes.

As for PB mines, i tried and got bored, you generally get a load of crap there, ocassional odd ore maybe one an hour thats worthwile. As for Zerhun, i only found id get 1 darksteel an hour, while a great place at lower levels, once you surpass level 51 and stop aggroing half of gusgen mines its undoubtably outplaced.

General 3 or 4 stack of picks in my mining gear in gusgen mines would net me 6 darksteel, a couple of gold and several coloured rocks. ( I tend to throw everything else) And alot of lightning clusters as i run.

The only problem i have mining is folk who steal your points. I can understand if theres folk camping every single point. But this generally isnt the case, some folk seem to like stealing points your at. General way of getting back is follow themn for 20minutes and steal all theres :D or cure bomb em :F

Gilsellers do camp it on Bahamut, but they are generally the ones point stealling. Those who do actually camp points opr steal mine, i will happily steal from :D Those who leave me to be ill leave them to be, its a sort of unwritten rule on the matter. Se should consider making points claimable once dug for a certain time so you can remine without fear of losing your point to anoying folk who steal. Problem with that is, it would induce camping and botting alot more than currently exists i guess.

Gl tho. ^^

[Jei]

Thanks. I really appreciate your insight ^^
Would you recommend running through all spots in gusgen or just cycle between a few close ones, by the way? I suppose you have to check all spots only if you're alone right?

[Kutu]

I always run through them all. I start with the 4 before the door then work down behind the door. Everyone has theyre own cylce for doing it. Personally i like going behind the left hand door, down the path through the room, then check that room, then go below. Back up, throught the other side of the big room then drop down the hole and follow the path round. I miss 2 points on my run through, but i find i get to others quick enough. Depends what you like i guess. (my directions suck i know lol)

[Jei]

do you use moghancement kutu? I have 112 (14 bookshelves) fire energy. Skilling on mythril ingot right now. Every fail I still lose at least 1 ingot. :O I was expecting much less material lost.

[Kutu]

Mythril ingots are goldsmithing anyway. Level 38 cap for 4 muthril beastcoins, 40 cap for 4 ores what level are you currently?

You could be failing so much and losing stuff for crafting on the wrong day so to speak- watersday - watersday is strong to firesday, you get more hqs (aparantly, it does work just never when i want) and a lot more breaks. I prefer fire and darksday for a fire synth, also i face NW when doing them (Dont know if directional crafting actually works, but i like to think it does anyway :D)

Unfortunately my mule is my crafting character, and also my desynth whore. As such my mog house is full of tarutaru stools for my overwhelming desynth energy. I find the energy does help though. You want as much as possible to limit the loss ive found. ( you still will lose some especially desynthing though.)

The fire enhancement does help for synths, it depends on how far below the cap you are too and what support your using still. I like this resource for all my crafting http://ffxi.lokyst.net/timer/crafttimer.html
Basically, once you plug the synth cap and your level and crystal in, you want the numbers on the right to be between 1 and 4 generally (unless its real cheap then juyst spam away) This seems to give me best synth results anyway.


Back to your point on the energy though, it does help you lose not as much i believe, unfortunately bar desynthing - which can bne ultra random as it is - i havent experimented about with it enough. Try putting more in and maxing out the energy, theres 3 stages i believe - aglow with fire energy, aglow with powerfull fire energy, and aglow with overwhelming fire energy i think anyway. Ive read about elements helping crafters though, and know woodworkers who cange their entire MH depending on theyre synths.

[Jei]

my skill was 37 skilling up on firesday this morning >< Most of the fails I lost 1. occasionally lost 4. Anyway I got my gold to 40 now. 39>40 I still lost 1 ore when break ><
Saving up all the ingots for training with sheet>chain later on.

By the way isn't fire a light base? I'm kinda basing this on the level 3 skillchains.
light = thunder fire wind. and
dark = earth water ice.

[Kutu]

It is a light based element, but for skill ups darksday i find generally better for it. Darksday and firesday and your skill ups will go sky high.