rdm/nin /sigh

[IxX3xil3d0n3XxI]

i am nearing the end of my rdm path at lvl 58 and ive been told to lvl ninja. Now i know the full advatages of rdm/nin and know their potiental. i would like to lvl nin but the fact that its basically 1 mil out the gate deviates me from the process ; ;

is it crucail to lvl nin for rdm?

nin's style does not seem to fit me. i just wont excel at it or like at as i would other jobs. not only that but the hugh monetary requirement is a lil depressing ._.
any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated ^^

[nanatsu]

It's not crucial. But it definitely makes you more flexible. You won't be using /nin sub in an exp party that's for sure. But for some endgame activities, bcnms, or things outside of an exp situation rdm/nin can be quite godly. You can do just fine without it, though, just know your soloing capabilities will be more limited.

[Cookietovar]

you wouldnt really need to level your ninja until your about lv 74RDM.
you dont really use rdm/nin in parties. usually keep what you are subbing now
but later on in ur rdm you might need to level drk and nin.
:lipseal:

[Taskmage]

It's expensive, but at your level you should be able to do the scroll quests easily. Those are the hardest part. I had always understood nin to be more of a solo sub, rarely ever used in a group setting. I've heard rdm/nin can tank an HNM in a pinch until something better arrives, but I don't know why you wouldn't just kite it instead.

I find nin to be a lot of fun. It's a very busy job like rdm, with a lots of room to excel with player skill.

[Icemage]

Why so much pressure to level NIN at RDM58? BCNMs? Chains of Promathia missions? As mentioned above, RDM/NIN isn't otherwise terribly effective outside a few level-capped events before you hit level 74/37 with Utsusemi: Ni.


Icemage

[Bothari]

i am nearing the end of my rdm path at lvl 58 and ive been told to lvl ninja.

Do you mean you're retiring rdm? because if not and if you mean u're closer to 75.. then .. :rolleyes: Level 63 is 1/2 way to 75 on the experience scale :cool:. Also, Till 74 you'd be better served leveling /blu /drk or /war as solo/meelee sub jobs.

[Raydeus]

OP:

Maybe level-wise you feel like you are nearing the end, but xp-wise, you aren't even half way there.

Nin is the most useful solo sub, however /war or /drk, and even /pld have advantages depending on the situation and are cheaper to level up. Many people say /nin is useless till you get Ni, that's not true at all, at your lvl you already got the last fast cast (not counting AF) and Haste which will let you use Utsusemi much more often.

Practice will show you that as a /nin at least 3/4 of the time you'll be using Ichi to tank, while only using Ni as a safety net in case your shadows get taken away or you gotta recast buffs and need the extra shadows.

The reason for this is Ichi overwrites itself so you can recast shadows without waiting for them to wear off as long as you are ready to recast, while if you were tanking with Ni you'd have to wait for it to wear off (Ichi's recast time is faster than Ni's). Also Ichi doesnt have any effect if you have Ni on so you'll have to take Ni off yourself or wait till all the Ni shadows are used which can be too much trouble in a close fight.

Both are 3 shadows each.


So, to make a long story short /nin isn't necessary for you unless you are planning on soloing tough mobs or trying some BCs, the only subs you really need for xp parties are WHM and BLM, while DRK sub is kinda required for many endgame activities.

You still have plenty of time to figure out what subs you wanna lvl for your RDM, so don't worry too much about it for now, good luck.

[Jei]

On a bright side, Rdm/nin is the perfect kiter for the level 40 BCNM which drops peacock charm ^^b
If you can get people to do that BC on a regular basis, you're looking at lots of gils $$$

[TheGrandMom]

If you don't want to lvl nin, don't. You don't need it. I've never been asked to sub nin besides once for a bcnm. Bcnm's are not mandatory in endgame so I wouldn't worry about it. But I would start lvling drk if I were you. Now THAT I've been asked to sub many many times in endgame........too bad I don't have it lvled! LOL (I dread being a taru and lvling up drk!) Another sub I would recommend lvling is bard. Icemage can give you the lowdown on that if you want to know more.

[Bothari]

for the level 40 BCNM which drops peacock charm
That's an absolute waste of seals. >< ... just go do that bcnm 20 with 3 crabs or w/e and u're looking at 1.5m a week.. (you need 3 rdms tho) ppl have gone 0/10 on that 40 bcnm.. that's 400 frigging seals.. they could have made 30m spent 20 on a charm and got 10m spare change... wish i had 400 seals..

[LoneGamer]

RDM/NIN adds extra versatility for missions/quests and soloing, but isn't necessary. In HNM situations, you'll be expected to level DRK for Chainspell Stun.

[IxX3xil3d0n3XxI]

hmm. i wouldnt like to play nin cause it just isnt really my style of play. Drk to me seems to be a interesting job to play, moreso than nin. what is the advantages of drk? would that make more of a solo type job as a rdm/drk than a rdm/blm?

[Taskmage]

rdm/drk in solo gives you access to Drain and Aspir like blm. Advantages over blm are Vorpal Blade and additional melee attack power from job traits, but you don't get sleepga, warp, and escape in case things go wrong. Drk sub in endgame events is mostly used for Stun, especially with Chainspell.

[Icemage]

hmm. i wouldnt like to play nin cause it just isnt really my style of play. Drk to me seems to be a interesting job to play, moreso than nin. what is the advantages of drk? would that make more of a solo type job as a rdm/drk than a rdm/blm?

/DRK gets some extra Attack, and access to Vorpal Blade weaponskill, which makes farming solo somewhat easier if you aren't needing the MP savings from /BLM or the extra protection of /NIN.


Icemage

[LoneGamer]

Or the status cures from /WHM, to add onto Icemage's comment.

[IxX3xil3d0n3XxI]

than rdm/blm is not going to be looked down upon if i do not have nin or drk lvl'd?
personally the job that fits me after rdm and blm is mnk and sam i dont really want to spend too too much money or time on lvling a job that i do not like. IMO rdm/blm is the best thing ive tried so far in FFXI and i love it.

[Icemage]

In XP parties, the commonly accepted subs for RDM are /BLM, /WHM, /BRD. Other subs will get you some raised eyebrows and probably some questions about your choice of subjob.

For end-game (level 74+), /DRK, /WHM, /BLM, /NIN, /SMN, /BRD and probably /BLU and /COR are acceptable in various roles, depending on what you want to do, but again, you'll get questions about your choice of subjob if you show up with an inappropriate subjob at any given event.


Icemage

[Caspin]

I actually recommend Nin as a Sub..It has proven very helpful in certain situations..Plus its great to farm NM's and HNM Parties also its great for COP doing those Mammets....With Nin sub I have been able to tank some of the WSNM for my LS quite efficeintly...Haveing those Shadows is a very good asset at times...Its the reason why if you ask Rdm/Nin= Impossable to Gauge Rdm...

[BurningPanther]

I think you're agitating over leveling NIN too much, Reaperx. Give it a try, you might like it. I felt the same about levling DRK, but once I got to about level twelve, it really started to grow on me. I've come to the point where I'm eager to jump on DRK and level, the damage I do with my scythe brings a smile to my face. I'm leveling my WHM soon(finally, some might say), and lemme tell you, I LOATHE main healing. But the idea of playing such a coveted job, and getting invites, I'm eager to give it a go.

In my mind, NIN is played much like RDM. Both bear elemental attacks, both have enhancing spells, both get a form a blink, and both use enfeebles on the opponent. You might think of NIN as the melee-oriented version of RDM. Granted, I had the least fun when I was expecteted to tank on NIN(a NIN before Utsusemi: Ni is in NO WAY a tank, I firmly believe this), but beyond that aspect, NIN(non-tank), plays much like early RDM. It might even seem familiar.

My point is, don't worry about it so much. Try it, and you might like it. You might even find that your play style wasn't what you thought. Who knows, you may even decide to take on NIN as main!


...even though RDM still > all. ;)

[IxX3xil3d0n3XxI]

im not biased against nin, by no means they are a powerful job. but the money requirement to fund the job is a large amout that i really wouldnt want to put in it. i mean its like a mil right out the door because of utsuemi =(

[LoneGamer]

You can quest all the ninja scrolls you'll need except Utsusemi: Ni, and you don't need that until RDM74.

[Taskmage]

The tools for leveling are still pretty expensive if you don't have a good stream of income. Especially if you actually do the job well and use your debuffs.

[Fynlar]

Don't bother leveling NIN up just as a sub for RDM unless you plan on taking RDM to at least 74. Before that, it's not great by any means, you're better off with something like /BLU for Cocoon if you have to solo.

[IxX3xil3d0n3XxI]

i got rdm to 60 and im doing drk for later dynamis. i very much like dark and am considering taking it much higher than 37. im a lil concerend tho cause that would mean i have to lvl thf if i take it over 60 and thf i dont perfer to lvl that.


but bottem line i like drk very much and i cant wait to go rdm/drk at higher lvls

[Jei]

Thf is pretty fun to play once you get SA. Even more fun with TA.
At some point in game you'll really love treasure hunter so having a 15+ thf isn't all that bad after all.

[TheGrandMom]

but bottem line i like drk very much and i cant wait to go rdm/drk at higher lvls

Rdm/drk is very conditional in endgame. Only certain times will it be needed. The majority of the time I'm on rdm/blm, second would be rdm/whm, and on a rare occasion rdm/drk or rdm/nin. Usually rdm/drk is for stunning. Chainspell + Stun is very powerful against certain mobs that may manafont or some other nasty thing. But using Chainspell + Stun generates a LOT of hate too, which often times equals death. LOL

[aegina]

if you don't want to level ninja yet, then don't. you won't need it for xp parties anyway. ever.

At most, you may want to level it if you decide to enter an hnmls. But, if you decide to enter an hnmls, then you'll end up having to do a lot of things you don't want to do, and you'll want to max out your character for it.

levelling a ninja sub right now is NOT your highest priority.