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[tongyang]

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8993

[Findecano]

thanks for the info ^^

[Sting]

haha Lv65 only, i knew i was right ;)
Oi...Cure5 with Lv61 ..weee...i think i have to keep money

[Nadyxes]

ooooo i want those teleport spells
and erase????
hmmm erase sounds interesting
and protea4 nice ^^
that is going to be great

[TBoTB]

im just glad they made it easier to raise magic skill lv ^_^, aslo they got rid of data file (what was it used for, i only went ther once and got confused) ilike that they preplaced it with mog item check, that way you can see what you need to buy and what you dont. although i think they should add an item inventory moggle at every ah so you wont have to keep going back on foth takeing and putting things in storage >< you can do it right there, very usefull for those who guild like me ^_^, i need the space and dont want to have to keep going back and forth when i want lv up or guild

[tongyang]

After this, my thoughts are...

Maybe I'll stop leveling bard and continue ranger after all ;)

And.... can you believe the stuff about invisi/sneak/deode needing to be cancelled to be recasted? That will be a MAJOR PAIN...

Just thought of something. If you're a ninja and want to go home, just explode and die-zone :D You're not losing exp anyway ;)

[Leon]

yay i can actually catch up to the cap now and finally start on other jobs ^^

What has me concerned is that they are raising the lvl cap by 5 only every time O_o Its gonna take a helluva long time to reach 100

This has me confused tho:

New Extra jobs "Summoner" released. Several low level summons can be obtained without expansion, but there are summons that can only be obtained in the new areas of the expansion

That means that summoner job can be obtained without expansion or what? If this is true for this job, then are the others accessable as well?

[tongyang]

Originally posted by Leon
That means that summoner job can be obtained without expansion or what? If this is true for this job, then are the others accessable as well?

Yup. Only Summoner can be obtained without expansion. All the other new ones must have the expansion to get.

And I bet only the sucky summons can be obtained without expansion too ;)

[Leon]

Ooo i just read that article more carefully. Didn't notice that :sweat:

[Razz]

Well I'm overjoyed for my DRK. Those status spells will rock^^ I just hope they don't cost 1mil each :sweat:

The ninja SP is excellent in actual fact, considering you can do a kamikaze to save your PT AND not lose any EXP in the process, I think that's cool.

Thanks for the info^^;

[Jonnyram]

Oh wow, the red mage changes kick ass! Gravity sounds a ton more useful now. Sounds like Phalanx is a bit too similar to stoneskin. Maybe it lasts longer.

One thing... you mention low level summons will be available without the expansion, but that's not what the original said. It said 召喚魔法 as opposed to 召喚獣 - I think summoners get some magic in addition to summon beasts, and only the magic is usable without the expansion. I have read on many occasions that summon beasts are only obtainable from expansion areas. I guess I could be wrong.

Oh, and I love the Ninja stuff too. I am so gonna be a ninja :) The fact that the special job ability loses no exp is a big bonus!

[peacemaker]

Thanks for the translation. Yeah, what's the deal with canceling Invis and stuff before recasting? And the 1 minute penalty is pretty crappy too, considering all my improper log-outs are from zoning DCs.

[Cedric-Archaon]

Hmm, kicking instead of a punch? Must do a lot of damage or something, like an uber-critical hit, or a stun affect.

Monk martial arts up being better after 30, making sub monk for thieves not as good, I like. :)

Hmm....I can't wait all this new stuff. Summoners are gonna be the new mage sub now, auto-refresh. Makes bards almost obsolete. :p

Hopefully this makes monks a little more worthwhile.

P.S. Dark knight with absorb dex, now thats scary. :eek:

[Jonnyram]

Good point about mages subbing summoner. Imagine the MP!!!
Maybe Square just want to stop every mage being a panda - make blacks more black and whites more white in their party role.

[peacemaker]

Yeah, that would be way cool, I'd love to not have to be responsible for healing - but the HP regen ability for WHM is pretty minimal, if the MP regen recovers MP at that rate, it won't be very useful for mages who are high enough level to sub it considering the MP needed to cast III elemental spells and Cure IV+, especially when the opportunity cost is Raise, all the detection spells, Dezone, etc. (>.<)


Cedric, nice signature :cool:

[Takato]

Hm now I got a question about summoners. It seemed in the post that summoners are some what different from the other new jobs by not being added to the list saying to gain this job you need to do quest. So does this mean this is just a given? and nothing needs to be done?

Also the inv, sneak, and ordor changes are going to be very annoying :zzz:

[dbeeo]

/slap square-enix for turning down bard....


lol, no new songs.... :sweat:

[Saiyu]

Very interesting, DEFINETLY makes me wanna lvl up and play more again.

Thanks for info Far.

[Tekerin]

great job far ^^

i think the ninja ability is great. besides the level 1 teleport it can be used for, it can also save ur party n ur exp. when ur pt get's linked, just pull all the monsters on u then run far out and bomb urself, saving both PT n exp. or when everyone in pt dies, just bomb urself and not lose exp, hehe.



hmm, d/c takes 1 minute now? that sux, i like how my pld can lure all the enemies, turn on invincible, n hit windows key, although i only did it a couple of times, but it sure saved the PT's lives as well as mine. guess can't do that now ><

[Nerv]

hmm, I think I ll stay on WAR..mission rank 10 interesting! :biggrin:

[Maxim]

Wow, I'm really glad that they're boosting the Fast Cast passive ability for Red Mages since the casting time didn't seem to make TOO much of a difference as it was before, and the converting HP to MP thing sounds pretty good since now I'll be able to actually have equal to or more MP as the normal mages. TT I guess subbing monk will be good for that.

I feel really sorry for Bards, however. It seems like every job got a bonus except for them. Poor Bards... TT

[Gackti]

Summoners dun need to do any quest to unlock them..

this sucked...

then there will tones of people playing summoners...

and bards... omg.. i think i am gonna quit leveling them..

[Awntawn]

Originally posted by Gackti
Summoners dun need to do any quest to unlock them..

this sucked...

then there will tones of people playing summoners...


I think you misread :sweat:
You still need to do a quest, you just don't need to buy the expansion for it.

DRK only spells look very promising... They better be damn good, though it'd be next to worthless to me since my magic ratings are lower than a level 20 blm... :(

[Skye]

I GOT A REAL IMPORTANT QUESTION, MUST ANSWER ME PLZZZZ

im a DRK/THF.

and then, it is said that for SUB JOB THF now the <fake attack is fixed and it will no longer have parameter enhancement> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN????

does that mean the JA DAMA no longer have high damage when you use it???(like it will be the same as you didnt use it....) then whats the point in having it????? ....

and if thats true, then i think is kinda gay. DRK will be 100% dead lock in subbing WAR. an online game suppose to have flixible stuff... now is just so dam dead that <this job got to sub this, that job gotta sub that>...

but the magic, those DRK only magic.... my Dark Magic LV , weakening Magic LV is as bad as a LV 20 BLM.... i dont think those magic will have a bit at all...... (if the magic needs high magic LV to be effective) when casting probably gonna go like (THe whatever magic does not have effect on this ????? monster).......

but this sub job THF question, anybody know, must 100% answer me right away... i need to think about what to do with this... afterall, being a DRK/THF all the way was always my goal.....this is too dam serious... ><:dead:

[Awntawn]

Skye I think basically it means you can't stack it with your main's abilities like Darkness and Last Resort :p

[Skye]

well... if is liek what you say >< only <dama> dont work with darkness and last resort is fine with me (at least the <fui> part still can do so) that i can still accept it..


since after all, a darkness+ a fui + a WS is already stronger then that viper bite.

but does any1 know 100% what are they taking away??????

but those DRK special magics... i think is gonna be another joke that ppl will laugh their stomach and hurt to death if they need max out magic lvl to be effective... since at leats 80% of the DRK dont even bother with those puny baby magics so their magic skill lvl is like none just like me

[Razz]

Mine are all at 100 right now :/

You could just train black mage and max them maybe?

[Skye]

as for stupid squares slowness on how slow skilling up is.... and the fact healing always been slow... im not sure how you gonna use those stupid magic trillions times to max it lol.

so i really think those magic should work w/o high level of dark magic.


heh.. i just thought of some crazy thing... if sub job THF fake attack cannot combine w/o darkness or last resort .

then maybe ill use the new DRK magic and <suck some crazy STR from the enemy> to replace it then(makes the <fui part stronger, in order to balance the weakening movement on dama due to dummy square>) LOLLL

it can be very interesting wa hahahaha.

[Extreme]

* New Extra jobs "Summoner" released. Several low level summons can be obtained without expansion, but there are summons that can only be obtained in the new areas of the expansion

So that means that you CAN aquire the summoner job without the xpac. Guess that means the quest isnt in one of the new areas. Sweeet

[Jei]

WTH they cancelling RDM's arrow skil ><~~~~ I spent over a month just bringing it up to 150!!

so any news about refresh? I heard sometime ago that the new area will drop some right?

[Yuna]

i wonder when they are going to release the BLM meteo spell... it's bad that they didn't add anymore BLM spells that are different from the elementals...

also, do you think AF is going to last long then? i think some BCNM items are somewhat better than AFs.......

[Jei]

they are ready shew us meteor. there's a screen shots somewhere in this site. it's level 200 spell

[Yuna]

sigh... yeah i saw it
hoping the level was just a rumor...
i mean we are at LV65 cap after 2 years?
that means it will take another 3 years before we can get to LV200...

[Jonnyram]

Originally posted by Jei
WTH they cancelling RDM's arrow skil ><~~~~ I spent over a month just bringing it up to 150!!


They're not touching arrow skill, they're dropping shooting skill. I didn't think Red Mage had that anyway, so I'm not sure why it's mentioned. Maybe they planned it, but decided to cancel the plans??? Either way, you should still be ok with archery ( 弓術 )

[Jei]

oh, so shooing skill means gun shooting? :eek:

[tongyang]

Originally posted by Skye
and then, it is said that for SUB JOB THF now the <fake attack is fixed and it will no longer have parameter enhancement> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN????

My interpretation of that is that "fake attack" when using THF subjob will only have the effect of hate transfer, and no extra damage boost.

[tongyang]

Originally posted by Jei
oh, so shooing skill means gun shooting? :eek:

Yeah. Crossbow or gun.

[Cedric-Archaon]

Originally posted by Skye
I GOT A REAL IMPORTANT QUESTION, MUST ANSWER ME PLZZZZ

im a DRK/THF.

and then, it is said that for SUB JOB THF now the <fake attack is fixed and it will no longer have parameter enhancement> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN????

does that mean the JA DAMA no longer have high damage when you use it???(like it will be the same as you didnt use it....) then whats the point in having it????? ....

and if thats true, then i think is kinda gay. DRK will be 100% dead lock in subbing WAR. an online game suppose to have flixible stuff... now is just so dam dead that <this job got to sub this, that job gotta sub that>...

but the magic, those DRK only magic.... my Dark Magic LV , weakening Magic LV is as bad as a LV 20 BLM.... i dont think those magic will have a bit at all...... (if the magic needs high magic LV to be effective) when casting probably gonna go like (THe whatever magic does not have effect on this ????? monster).......

but this sub job THF question, anybody know, must 100% answer me right away... i need to think about what to do with this... afterall, being a DRK/THF all the way was always my goal.....this is too dam serious... ><:dead:

Actually I don't think drk would be stuck with war sub, samurai sub sounds awfully nice with insane tp gain/charge for a 2h scythe.

[Cedric-Archaon]

Originally posted by Yuna
sigh... yeah i saw it
hoping the level was just a rumor...
i mean we are at LV65 cap after 2 years?
that means it will take another 3 years before we can get to LV200...

2 years? What the hell are you talking about...

Be nice:) - Tomoh

[Yuna]

i was implying that this game has been out for 2 years right? or am i wrong?

[Skye]

oh yea... trying to max out DRK magic by training BLM is not smart.. afterall, you skill stops every level.. <turns blue>

if really got to train. better just use your Dark Knight and keep using those ghetto magic on monsters to skill up.
probably faster then you use a BLM and keep leveling.

but i bet most DRK will have a hard time for it...

if magic level is real important in these magics... cant wait till next week to see how they screw up Sub job THF and how will i balance it out with these new Dark Magic LOL

always like to challenge (besides challening the slow azz boring skill up magics)....

[Maxim]

Yuna, I believe the game has only been out for a year.

[Tomoh]

Tongyang, can you please post a link for Japanese. Thanks!

[Jonnyram]

<disguise name="tongyang">
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~nanko/ff11.html
</disguise>

[Yuna]

Originally posted by Maxim
Yuna, I believe the game has only been out for a year.

oh ok... i thought it had been out longer
i know the PC version just came out not too long ago
just wasn't sure about the PS2 version

[Jei]

magic skills aren't that hard to up :)

for attacking skills try join some skill up PTs.
want to train darkness, keep casting Bio 1 over and over
want to train weakenning skill, keep casting dia
(just make sure don't go to up skill with ahrimans :P )

strengthen magic and heal is best to train in front of mog house. shell3 shell3 shell3 cure4 cure4 cure4 till MP runs out then go in mog :)

[Yuna]

this might be the wrong place to post but speaking of magic skills... i'm BLM/WHM and can see 6 skills there

can someone tell which is which?
going by, say
1. 2.
3. 4.
5. 6.

[Jonnyram]

From http://jonnyram.com/ffxi_rag/txt/jobskills.txt ;)

神聖魔法 (shinseimahou) Holy magic
回復魔法 (kaifukumahou) Recovery magic
強化魔法 (kyoukamahou) Strengthening magic
弱体魔法 (jakutaimahou) Weakening magic
精霊魔法 (seireimahou) Elemental magic
暗黒魔法 (ankokumahou) Dark magic

[Yuna]

thanks Jonny
the new jobs are not all that appealing to me so i'll be trying them at a later date...
anyone want spring leveling?

[Alex]

sounds good, but I agree with Yuna, BLM got nothing new at all..kinda sux, only elementals magic with numbers...lol fire 3 at 63...saw Ahriman using it.. ><;;
once i got my blm to 65, i`ll go level ninja i guess..lol
and yes as blm 60 i still dont have freeze, quake and flare spell too...so dam expensive on Bahamut server -.-;;

[Painkiller]

Originally posted by Yuna


oh ok... i thought it had been out longer
i know the PC version just came out not too long ago
just wasn't sure about the PS2 version
From gamefaqs.com (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/27610.html) FF-XI JP release date is May 16, 2002.

The first level cap raise is 9/2002, the second is 11/2002.
This time 4/2003, say 3 months per 5 level.
I guess by the end of this year the level cap will be 80^^

[Jei]

the end of this year FF XI would be 2 years old :sweat: only 80?

99 already sounds soooo high for a level cap... 250 is too scary :sweat:

[Skye]

Seriously... i just do not think the cap will go to those 250 like people think... it <might..> go pass 100 <which i dont even think it will>


if it goes to 250... youll need to train and stuck in vanadiel till the day you die. LOL

will probably be still training even your 70 years old. wa hahahah

[Extreme]

Skye, they already annouced certain spells/skills that have a level requirement of 255...

[Jei]

having level higher than 100 can almost ruin the job system in my opinion.
One spotty thing is people can already use desion 2 with 80main/40blm.... makes blm almost useless already.

[Xuande]

Makes blm useless? :confused:
If you think thats the BLM's only asset you haven't seen a good blm

But I agree that 100 should be the cap, otherwise at like lv250 it wont matter if you're whm/blm or blm/whm, you'll be able to use exactly the same magic. It would remove the strategy of choosing an effective combination. Even at 100 main 50 sub, most abilities can be used at lv50 so you get most of your sub jobs abilities, which I dont really like. (That is unless they add new abilities)

[Orko]

::wishes they'd announce requirements for new EX job quests::

Yeah, what's up with the no really exciting new spells for BLM? Argh, and now -Ga spells are gonna be weakened based on how many monsters there are caught up in it? Laaame. :sweat:

[Awntawn]

Originally posted by Orko
::wishes they'd announce requirements for new EX job quests::

I know, i mean how can they POSSIBLY expect us to do the quests until they tell us how... Figure it out on our own?! What a concept! :rolleyes:

hehe j/k but yeah... i dun think they're supposed to tell us how to get the new classes :p

[Sting]

Originally posted by Awntawn


I know, i mean how can they POSSIBLY expect us to do the quests until they tell us how... Figure it out on our own?! What a concept! :rolleyes:

hehe j/k but yeah... i dun think they're supposed to tell us how to get the new classes :p

of course not..^^
but i think, the requirments for the new jobs, would be nice if they have give some info about that. Just want know w...

[dbeeo]

Originally posted by Jei
having level higher than 100 can almost ruin the job system in my opinion.
One spotty thing is people can already use desion 2 with 80main/40blm.... makes blm almost useless already.


maybe, they do something like execlusive spell. LIke only when your job is main then you can use the spell, and also for some other ability (the very useful) instead just for 2h ability only.

otherwise, the job combination wont be balance anymore

[Skye]

well, i would like to know where is this <they> that <they have announce certain magic needs LV 255>


well.... if is Magic LV 255 then is different.....dont know if you know..Mr.Celerus... there is Magic LV besides job LV, they are still levels.....

and if the LV cap do goes up to 255.. then every1 who is in vanadiel will just have to train till the day they die. Celerus or whatever the name is....

[Jonnyram]

No magic has been announced at level 255, that is the number that is in the data file, but it's just a random number until they decide what level to put that magic at. They'll never go to 255, it's totally unfeasible. There'll be another two generations of consoles before they get that far, at least.

And they have announced the requirements for the new jobs. You need to complete a quest :P That is all.

[Orko]

Originally posted by Jonnyram
And they have announced the requirements for the new jobs. You need to complete a quest :P That is all.

Well I certainly didn't mean I wanted them to spell out every detail of the quests you need to do for the ex jobs, I just would like to know if there's a level requirement for the new jobs like the existing ex-jobs, and if so, what level? :sweat: That they haven't announced.

[Etoh]

Really interested in Summoner and their Auto-Refresh skill...

Hopefuly their quests is not impossible to attain.

On another note, Red Mages seemed to be having an overhaul! ^_^

[matek]

I am not sure if this has been mentioned, you can get Summoner job and do Cap break quest (Cap 65) from 15th, meaning you can go more than Lv61 after the maintenance :D

[Saiyu]

yah, that's why I stayed up so !$!"ing late yesterday to do cap 2 quest to race for 60 ASAP lol.

[Takato]

Im ready for this 4hr maintance for after I can connect and find out how to get lv cap and summoner as soon as possible :sweat:

[Buttermilk]

One thing I like about the expansion - with many people trying 4 news jobs, there will be TONS of low-level people to level with again (and perhaps making Lv1-10 solo areas TOO crowded) - reminding me of the early days of FFXI back in summer of 2002:)

[Maxim]

By the way, isn't the Samurai's level 1 ability called "Clear Serenity" or something like that (meikagamishisui, which literally translates to clear as a mirror still water - Yeah, get a load of that Engrish.)?

[Saiyu]

hehe, will be weird to see a packed Ronfaure etc....

As soon as this patch comes out, it's lvling as fast as I can to 60 :cool: (300 to 56, this will be 3rd time becoming 56 lol)