The Fairy Gilseller List

[Lilani]

I'm sure all of you have noticed a bunch of subless, low ranked, strangely named taru groups running around lately. And most of them are red mages or some sort of mage type. It seems IGE has implimented some new trainees, and they are trying to fledge manaburn parties. I'd like to make a list of these people, so we all know who they are and when to avoid them.

I only remember one name right now, Foga. He is a male hume, always /anon, always has the title Greedalox, and is never caught doing anything but desynthing. The only place he ever is is Lower Jeuno, and the only things he does are gobbiebag quests, selling stuff on the AH, buying stuff off the AH, and desynth silver earrings.

I saw him wander into the jewelry shop in Lower Jeuno today as I was desynthing stuff myself. He went to his usual corner and used 20-30 lightning clusters. I swear, he had it macroed with how fast he was putting them away. Then he stands there for a minute or two, no doubt buying his earrings, and began to desynth. And desynth, and desynth, and desynth.

Any additions would be appreciated, and I'll try and update whenever I can. And sorry if there's already a thread like this, or this type of thing isn't allowed.

Disreguard

[Lumokai]

Anyone with a Gamekiller linkshell

[Puppypizzle]

* = positive/confirmed
~ = pretty sure, but not positive




This may not be a good idea. Even though we all hate gilsellers, and what they have done to the economy. Listing possible sellers could do some damage to some legitimate players.


I have seen a few people camping the same NMs for days on end, but it doesn't mean that he/she is a gilseller; it just may be their main source of income. However when some players see someone camping a NM all the time they get accused of being a gilseller.

Sure there are a few low ranked BLMs getting power leveled by certain players that many believe are gilsellers, but we all know who they are, and how they work. Making a list of them wouldn't do anything to disrupt them.

People could accuse players for personal reasons as an attempt to ruin their reputations.
As there is no solid way to confirm that a player is a gilseller. All we can do is use our own judgment to choose who we personal believe are gilsellers and act accordingly.

I strongly urge you not to start this list.


Thank you

[Lilani]

Well, I guess you do have a point. We can never be 100% undoubtably sure that a player is a gilseller, even though they exhibit all behaviors of a gilseller. I guess I'll just let the thread die down >.< Thanks for the input anyway :)

[Ryuukogo]

Just do a /sea all blm 30-75 rank 1
0r /sea all blm 40-75 rank 1-3 sandoria

I stopped counting them at 150.. Obilove is one Gil Farming LS that has about 25 members and there is BloodySlaughterSky LS which I think is used rarely.

My guess ,like all the other Server's,there are 200+ full time Gil Farmers on and a dozen or so high level/rank Characters that are being used to help the Gil Farmers access Sky and Sea. :(

[Macht]

Yeah, identifying gilsellers is quite a task to do. The one Lilani used of the details given it sounds a lot like what I do on my mules. The best source really to identify potential gilsellers is the frequency of uncommon items that are sold by them in the AH.

For example do they dominate the sales in the E-Bow and have been for a long period of time? Stuff like that were they are less likely to be always getting the E-Bow and selling it. This suggest a grouping that is pooling sales. Stuff that is craftable is less effective to go by so questioning someone who dominates on sells like Hawkers Knife is bad. Even still even with this idea there is potential to misidentify someone.

The best you can do which will in-advertantly catch a few gilsellers is by creating a 'Bad Player' list. Players that will lie, cheat, and steal items or mobs you worked on getting. In definition of steal mob that would be they do things like try to cause other aggro to trap you or kill you, or spamming provoke in hopes to steal claim while you are fighting it.

In this effect you are not only catching the gilsellers but you are catching players that should probably be avoided anyway.

[Kittyneko]

The best you can do which will in-advertantly catch a few gilsellers is by creating a 'Bad Player' list. Players that will lie, cheat, and steal items or mobs you worked on getting. In definition of steal mob that would be they do things like try to cause other aggro to trap you or kill you, or spamming provoke in hopes to steal claim while you are fighting it.
This is called strategy. I don't think lists should be made. if you have a probem, call GM, what else you wanna do? /blacklist everyone in the list? Don't put players in a box marked gilsellers if you haven't bought gil of them or see any screenshots of transactions etc. Even then, might be fake. You can never be sure of it, so making lists is irrelevant as it probably will get atleast a few "good" players on it. I don't know why anyone bothers with this shit anyway... Get a better hobby instead.

Note: wrote it quick and arrogant because i posted shit like this so many times. -.-

[Macht]

This is called strategy. I don't think lists should be made. if you have a probem, call GM, what else you wanna do? /blacklist everyone in the list? Don't put players in a box marked gilsellers if you haven't bought gil of them or see any screenshots of transactions etc. Even then, might be fake. You can never be sure of it, so making lists is irrelevant as it probably will get atleast a few "good" players on it. I don't know why anyone bothers with this shit anyway... Get a better hobby instead.

Note: wrote it quick and arrogant because i posted shit like this so many times.
-.-

What you stated was kind of my point of not marking as gilsellers. However tagging out bad players really only helps others to avoid or at least prevent a potential bad experience with that person. I don't mean that they can't play the game, I mean bad attitude or actions towards other players. I've got a few players that intentionaly have jipped items, I got a macro list for the ones that really pissed me off.

Search them up see if they are in a party, if so search up the zones for were I know their insurrection against me occured (Very often they always return to them). Then send tells to leaders asking if that guy is in their group, if I find one that says yes warn him about the player. So far record has been 98% of the time those same jerks tried the same on others. Good lesson I'm sure those people are learning, and yeah I got time that I do waste.

Calling a GM works it's definatly another source, but like police they can at times come in with no idea of the situation and make bad calls.

[Telera]

Just a random aside:

People who create aggro to trap or kill their competition are lowlives. It isn't strategy, it's "I'm too scared they'll beat me out in fair competition, so lets get rid of them." End of. I've seen plenty of people camp as good natured sports without resorting to such petty schemes. And stealing mobs is just as detestible. If they've got claim, suck it up and come back another day. People take all these nms and the gil too seriously. If you're patient it will come to you.

As to making a gilseller list, I'd have to go with experience from other games where people tried to make lists of cheaters. You start out with good intentions, but it soon ends up like the Salem Witch trials with people turning in people they have grudges against just to give them a bad reputation on the server. Even though all you were trying to do is help, in time, it could come back around and become a huge mess.

That or people make honest mistakes in identifying who is or isn't a gilseller. We'll just have to trust SE to keep a close eye on it all. And keep ripping them out screaming by their hair. It's a problem that will never be totally eliminated, but I have faith that the honest players will win out in the end.

[Macht]

Just a random aside:

People who create aggro to trap or kill their competition are lowlives. It isn't strategy, it's "I'm too scared they'll beat me out in fair competition, so lets get rid of them." End of. I've seen plenty of people camp as good natured sports without resorting to such petty schemes. And stealing mobs is just as detestible. If they've got claim, suck it up and come back another day. People take all these nms and the gil too seriously. If you're patient it will come to you.

As to making a gilseller list, I'd have to go with experience from other games where people tried to make lists of cheaters. You start out with good intentions, but it soon ends up like the Salem Witch trials with people turning in people they have grudges against just to give them a bad reputation on the server. Even though all you were trying to do is help, in time, it could come back around and become a huge mess.

That or people make honest mistakes in identifying who is or isn't a gilseller. We'll just have to trust SE to keep a close eye on it all. And keep ripping them out screaming by their hair. It's a problem that will never be totally eliminated, but I have faith that the honest players will win out in the end.

Agreed that can happen, that's basically why a non-bias arbitration group would be needed to validate the list. If an arbitrating group validates the list that helps to keep innocent people off the list for being falsly accused.

[Ryuukogo]

What I am noticing is bought Accounts being used to help the new Gil Farmers.
Namesi is a Rank 10 BRD who has been partying with the now 70+ BLM/RDM Gil Farmers and is in the Gamekiller LS.

I also noticed several of the older Gil Farmer Characters are Rank 6+ so it appears some are trying to fit in while others have names like Asdfg or Ftfr that look like it was made with hitting their Elbow on the keyboard.

I gave up sending letters to SE or telling a GM about a Botter...I guess as long as they are a subscriber SE really doesn't give a f about them.

If anyone is familiar with Lineage 2...some Servers have over 50% of its population composed of Botters and RMT's....hopefully FFXI never becomes like that. :o

[Tarukirk]

It's impossible to prove if somebody is RMT or botting. All Mr. Argus does is select the ID of the mob it's set to and hit a macro after a specified amount of time. Unless your using the POS function of it, everything else is player side and it'd be against their terms of agreement to check it. Anyway a japanese player made a list of gil sellers for all servers but my link is down atm, I'll repost if it goes up again.
The bought accounts are also not being used by normal players but other gilsellers while they are waiting to be sold.

[Lilani]

It's impossible to prove if somebody is RMT or botting.
As we established two months ago. Sorry, but this thread has long been dead ^^;

[Bartleby]

ahhh the witch hunt continues...

tread lightly Citizen Kane...

[Icemage]

You dug up a thread that was almost 6 months old and about to auto-lock itself to say that you don't like such threads? -.-

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