New RDM Spells

[kman]

Lets start with enfeebles eh..

Paralyga
Slowga
Silencega
Dispelaga
Blindga
Bindga

Now you mouths water but we're not done just yet ...

Hastaga (self cast) - yea war/monk burns eat your heart out
MP:80

Breakga
MP: 100

Diaga III 75RDM
MP: 120 Recast: 2s Cast: 6.5s
Lowers defense of enemies within area of effect and gradually deals light elemental damage
Bio III 60BLM/62RDM/65DRK
MP: 110 Recast: 1.5s Cast: 5s
Deals dark damage that weakens an enemy's attacks and gradually reduces its HP

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Quick analysis.

Dynamis bonuses hell yes. As well as quick /recast in various situations the new -ga enfeebles are long awaited by many.

Bindga ... now soloing multiple mobs even easier.
Breakga ... a bit more mp but very effective.

Hastega, well we need to play bard and run to them but for only 80 mps what else can we ask for.

Diaga III, sorry no single casting spell but hey farming made easy, thank you SE.

Bio III. Quite a big chunk of mp but hey lets kill genbu in half the time /cheer : )

[Balfree]

Where did you find this! BLASPHEMY! Hastega, Breakga, all those enfeebga D: zomg, this isnt a joke is it? >_> Those are _awesome_ for dynamis and farming and other crap ._. (assault? besieged? i dunno!)

I hope ur not pulling my leg here >_<

[Jei]

wow... found where to buy yet?
are tehy for real? not in translator yet.

[esor]

this kitty want proof

[Squerril]

Where'd you find this? And why would we get Diaga III but no Diaga II or Dia III? :x
If those are real, that's pretty sweet.

[Caspian]

A. what is "Breakga". Don't think I've heard of that one unless I'm having a brainfart.
B. Yeah, that doesn't seem quite believable. Curious as to where you found this.

[kazuri]

oh holy mother of shit

[tdh]

I'm sceptical as well.

But Breakga is basically a AoE Petrify. The BCNM40 for the PCC has a mob that does it. Pain in the butt for when you're the RDM and you're kiting. You get a good distance and then BAM! Petrified, and all you can do is watch as Stoneskin gets eaten through, and your HP drops. I can't imagine they'd give us Breakga, when we don't have Break. And Break would be a little powerful. Start fight by casting Break. Mob is petrified for 60 seconds. Everybody in the party could SATA on the tank, and it the mob couldn't do a lick of damage. Very doubtful.

AoE Paralyze, Blind, and Slow I can just about understand though.

[Aeni]

This must be a late april fool's. Considering that there is no Diaga II for RDM ... lol. And Diaga III RDM onry? W/e ... I think WHM would get III before RDM gets II...

[Balfree]

A. what is "Breakga". Don't think I've heard of that one unless I'm having a brainfart.
B. Yeah, that doesn't seem quite believable. Curious as to where you found this.

I've only seen breakga being used in Dynamis-Bastok. It's mayhap the worst thing it can happen in there.

The BST mobs in D-Bastok will call forth these stupid annoying scorpions who cast breakga, it's a AOE version of petrify, and it can really wipe you out if the scorpions arent silenced/slept fast enough, they seem to cast it like it's outta style.

[BurningPanther]

Hehe, we've seen more than our share of headaches to those damned scorpions in Dynamis-Bastok.

But anyway.
Paralyga
Slowga
Silencega
Dispelaga
Blindga
Bindga

Now you mouths water but we're not done just yet ...

Hastaga (self cast) - yea war/monk burns eat your heart out
MP:80

Breakga
MP: 100

Diaga III 75RDM
MP: 120 Recast: 2s Cast: 6.5s
Lowers defense of enemies within area of effect and gradually deals light elemental damage
Bio III 60BLM/62RDM/65DRK
MP: 110 Recast: 1.5s Cast: 5s
Deals dark damage that weakens an enemy's attacks and gradually reduces its HP
I don't believe it. Show me the proof.

[Balfree]

Hastega really is a godsend... haste is as annoying as refresh, in that you need to cast it on a bunch of people, and the recast timer is a little bitch >_<

[Taskmage]

If Bindga is real then we're going to be even more hated in Ballista.

80 is terribly cheap for Hastega unless it has a shorter duration.

Diaga III and Bio III would have to take a pretty huge chunk out of a mobs defense/attack before I would consider dropping 100+ mp on them.

What's your source on this?

[kazuri]

I have to say, Taskmage... your sig is amusing. :p

[sevenpointflaw]

I wouldn't expect hastega or refreshga, or anything terribly interesting like that. SO far, SE has been fairly consistant about not giving RDM -ga/-ra buff spells. Those go to WHM, neh? Sorry Kman, you fail.

[WishMaster3K]

And these spells are already in the game, but it'll remain to be seen if RDM get access to them.

Paralyga
Slowga
Silencega - Birds in Dynamis use this
Dispelaga - Bosses use this (RoZ, hint hint)
Blindga
Bindga - Worms used this in an event a while back with Goblins on Chobobos

Hastaga - Garuda's spell is actually called this.
Breakga - BCNM Mobs have this
Diaga III - We don't even get DiagaII, but Maat's used DiagaII on me before
Bio III - Dark Spark used this on me ._. So do HL Demons in CZB

[sevenpointflaw]

Dispellga, Break would be nice, if they never give RDM Breakga. Of course SE -could- surprise everyone and come up with some new spells we havn't seen in the game yet. *cough*reflect*cough*

[Jei]

deathga
raisega
reraisega
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[BurningPanther]

Hehehe, Warpga.

[ultimaknight]

{Reflect}{Yes, Please!}

And while it seems highly unlikely, and it has been said countless times, SE could surprise everyone with a Refreshga. I mean, they are making normal Refresh available through gear so it can be available to any job wanting to get the gear and providing PLDs with Auto-Refresh...so why not?

We can dream at least......^^

[Cyborg]

HELL YEA WOOT i coming back to rdm, did alotta job jumping when rdmm got boring at higher levels but know we are gonna be pimp, we can be on par with brds <well more of us anyways lol> but drg 62 rdm 61 (so i hope hastga is like a lvl 55-63 spell lol) but these spells kick sooooo much ass i gonna be very happy lvling rdm again, also 60thf, i wonder if they are doing anything for thfS? i fine with drg changes but i just wondering??? maybe i check

[arkaine23]

I don't see how reflect would work without a major mechanics overhaul. You can't currently target offensive spells on yourself or party members. And even if you could, I can see this happening..

RDM: casts reflect on himself.
20 seconds go by.
RDM: Hey BLM I got reflect up!
BLM casts Flare on RDM.
....10 seconds later
RDM: RDM's Reflect effect wears off.
RDM: oh ????
RDM takes 932 damage.
RDM is defeated by BLM.


Also when it might actually be useful in situations where silence cannot be counted upon...

Kirin starts casting Stonega IV
LS chat: GTFO! Stonega IV (Run AWAY!)
RDM: casts reflect on PLD.
WHM: Casts Cure V on PLD.
Other RDM: Casts Cure IV on PLD.
Kirin is takes 100 damage from Stonega IV.

I know casting cures on mobs doesn't heal them, but would reflected cures heal them? hmmm... O.o

[Aeni]

Okay, I believe this thread is about what kman wants to see get implemented for RDMs in any job class update. He never said this was being implemented, but more like an extension of this thread:

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/red.mage/54459-new.rdm.spell.html

But honestly, at least he should've said what exactly he wanted in this thread before misleading the public. -_-;

[kman]

Sorry guys I fell asleep. This and one more website that did a simular datamine which I can't find

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8853&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Now granted datamining is tricky, asking yourself is this available for us or not. Stuff that usually isn't has LVL 200.

[Jei]

i wish we can do this emote

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4818/dancedoubleborder3ls.jpg

[zagex]

well there is hastega in autotranslate, but it's not under the list of spells in autotranslate...
I also see Curse in the list... did that used to be there?

[Taskmage]

Hastega is an Garuda blood pact. Been there for a while.
Curse isn't new.

[zagex]

*shoots self for being dumb...*
:wasted:

[arkaine23]

Break
Hastega
Dia III
Bio III
Poison III
Gravity II
Bindga

Even just 2 or 3 of these would rule. (Yes, Please)

[Hyrist]

They are confirmed with Job levels.

The WHM Varitety spells are shared with whm on the same level of spells

The BLM Variety are also shared same level for level. Breakga is confirmed 61 spell amoung them.

Dispelga is a RDM only spell of course.

This isnt a Hoax. Repeat: This isnt a Hoax.

[Taskmage]

Here's the relevant info from the BG link:Spell Info 232 BlackMagic Dark Enemy DarkMagic 110 1.5s 5s 60BLM/62RDM/65DRK E8 (232) 00 (0) 0F (15) バイオIII Bio III 敵を闇属性のダメージがじわじわ蝕� �攻撃力ダウン。 Deals dark damage that weakens an enemy's attacks and gradually reduces its HP

Spell Info 205 BlackMagic Fire Enemy ElementalMagic 457 8.5s 1m 75BLM CD (205) 00 (0) 08 ( フレアII Flare II 敵に火属性のダメージを与え、水属� �に対する防御力をダウン。 Deals fire damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against water.

Spell Info 207 BlackMagic Ice Enemy ElementalMagic 457 8.5s 1m 75BLM CF (207) 00 (0) 09 (9) フリーズII Freeze II 敵に氷属性のダメージを与え、火属� �に対する防御力をダウン。 Deals ice damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against fire.

Spell Info 209 BlackMagic Wind Enemy ElementalMagic 457 8.5s 1m 75BLM D1 (209) 00 (0) 0A (10) トルネドII Tornado II 敵に風属性のダメージを与え、氷属� �に対する防御力をダウン。 Deals wind damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against ice.

Spell Info 211 BlackMagic Earth Enemy ElementalMagic 457 8.5s 1m 75BLM D3 (211) 00 (0) 0B (11) クエイクII Quake II 敵に土属性のダメージを与え、風属� �に対する防御力をダウン。 Deals earth damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against wind.

Spell Info 213 BlackMagic Thunder Enemy ElementalMagic 457 8.5s 1m 75BLM D5 (213) 00 (0) 0C (12) バーストII Burst II 敵に雷属性のダメージを与え、土属� �に対する防御力をダウン。 Deals lightning damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against earth.

Spell Info 215 BlackMagic Water Enemy ElementalMagic 457 8.5s 1m 75BLM D7 (215) 00 (0) 0D (13) フラッドII Flood II 敵に水属性のダメージを与え、雷属� �に対する防御力をダウン。 Deals water damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against lightning.

Spell Info 035 WhiteMagic Light Enemy EnfeeblingMagic 120 2s 6.5s 75RDM 23 (35) 00 (0) 06 (6) ディアガIII Diaga III 範囲内の敵を光属性のダメージがじ� �じわ蝕み防御力ダウン。 Lowers defense of enemies within area of effect and gradually deals light elemental damage.

Spell Info 356 WhiteMagic Ice Enemy EnfeeblingMagic 12 4s 20s 61WHM/61RDM 64 (100) 01 (1) 18 (24) パライガ Paralyga 魔法ヘルプメッセージ。 Magic Help Message.

Spell Info 357 WhiteMagic Earth Enemy EnfeeblingMagic 30 2.5s 30s 61WHM/61RDM 65 (101) 01 (1) 18 (24) スロウガ Slowga 魔法ヘルプメッセージ。 Magic Help Message.

Spell Info 358 WhiteMagic Thunder Self EnhancingMagic 80 4s 30s 61WHM/61RDM 66 (102) 01 (1) 18 (24) ヘイスガ Hastega 魔法ヘルプメッセージ。 Magic Help Message.

Spell Info 359 WhiteMagic Wind Enemy EnfeeblingMagic 32 4s 20s 61WHM/61RDM 67 (103) 01 (1) 18 (24) サイレガ Silencega 魔法ヘルプメッセージ。 Magic Help Message.

Spell Info 360 BlackMagic Dark Enemy EnfeeblingMagic 20 5s 1m 61RDM 68 (104) 01 (1) 18 (24) ディスペガ Dispelga 魔法ヘルプメッセージ。 Magic Help Message.

Spell Info 361 BlackMagic Dark Enemy EnfeeblingMagic 10 2.5s 20s 61BLM/61RDM 69 (105) 01 (1) 18 (24) ブライガ Blindga 魔法ヘルプメッセージ。 Magic Help Message.

Spell Info 362 BlackMagic Ice Enemy EnfeeblingMagic 16 2.5s 50s 61BLM/61RDM 6A (106) 01 (1) 18 (24) バインガ Bindga 魔法ヘルプメッセージ。 Magic Help Message.

Spell Info 365 BlackMagic Earth Enemy EnfeeblingMagic 100 5s 1m 61BLM/61RDM 6D (109) 01 (1) 18 (24) ブレクガ Breakga 魔法ヘルプメッセージ。 Magic Help Message.Someone confirm this, please. Is this data for scrolls? The existence of scrolls in the dat files proves nothing, as evidenced by utsu<tab> (dammit) the Utsusemi: San scroll that's been hanging around in the dats forever. It recently had its level changed to 62, btw. If rdm really are getting these spells then quite likely blm is getting an AM2 set and nin is getting utsu:san. I find all three hard to believe.

[Jei]

maybe they are learnt through merits. like SE mentioned long ago

[arkaine23]

Notice that the ones apperantly useable at lvl 75 (AM II) plus Bio III and Diaga III actually have a description. Seems like those most likely be would be the meritable ones.

Pretty sure this stuff has been in the .dats a long time, just that lvl/job info is now added to it gives cause for RAMPANT WILD SPECULATION and UNCONFIRMED CLAIMS OF ABSOLUTENESS!!

lol

[Aeni]

Notice that the ones apperantly useable at lvl 75 (AM II) plus Bio III and Diaga III actually have a description. Seems like those most likely be would be the meritable ones.

Pretty sure this stuff has been in the .dats a long time, just that lvl/job info is now added to it gives cause for RAMPANT WILD SPECULATION and UNCONFIRMED CLAIMS OF ABSOLUTENESS!!

lol

:rofl:

But honestly ... I think they had to *put* these in because of Blue Mage. Not sure if Blue Mage can get access to these spells. But on the other hand, they may buff up monsters to use these as well (against us)

Adding the job doesn't guarantee anything. It's mostly for the monsters (SE claims that all monsters are spawned in a specific job role or job combination ... so a monster that pops as a level 75 RDM can use dispelga ... or that's what I like to speculate)