RDM Pet Peeves

[Aeni]

Tell me yours ... ;3

Mine is ... converting and DS + Cure III on myself, refresh and regen (usually right after I cycle through another round of refresh)

Then the PLD goes and spam Cure III on me. O_O

Same with a SMN before this one got replaced by another.

Also the fact that no one told me I'd be main healer for 3 melee, with a MNK and SAM thinking they're in Sky and TP burning.

Sigh ... ;3

[Omni]

i can tell you what my pet peeve is about rdms :p

ones that dont give me haste.

nin tank, no haste? GTFO!

[Icemage]

{Refresh} {Please} or {Dispel} {Please} when I've already finished casting that spell.


Icemage

[Balodoth]

When you are PLing a friend by helping his party. And when he has to leave, party members ask why you are leaving too.

[TheGrandMom]

{Refresh} {Please} or {Dispel} {Please} when I've already finished casting that spell.


Icemage

Couldn't agree more. I usually let this pass once or twice but if they keep it up I /t them and tell them I have a system and I don't need to have them spam pt chat for a spell thats being cast or has been cast already. Now if you have a slacking rdm, I don't see a problem with having to ask. I was at Hakutaku recently and had to ask a rdm for refresh SEVERAL times before he gave it to me. I started at 900 mp and didn't get a refresh till I was at 46 mp. >.< You know why he couldn't refresh me? He was too busy skilling up enfeebling by casting slow and para over and over on the mob...........

[Taskmage]

{Dispel}{please} When I know the mob has no buffs and the DD wants to blame me for their poor damage. ><

Double Post Edited:
Also people yelling at me for dispelling too slowly on rdm and blm type mobs. (It's because I'm casting Silence first! ><)

[tdh]

I hate what I called the "needy PLD." Their Refresh JUST wore off, and I'm in the process of casting and I get the "refresh plz" B.S. Usually these are the same people who cancel their Refresh "on accident" and then ask for another one. These are often the same PLDs who seem to hardly use any MP, but are the first to cry for Refresh.

People who tell you to Dispel a mob when there's really nothing to Dispel. Crabs doing a STR Down move, but they don't gain anything. They want me to Dispel it because they're damage dropped out. Well STR-15 can do that to ya.

Sadly all my problems AS RDM are with the PLDs. When I'm leveling other jobs, I have a big issue with RDMs for some reason. Dual Weilding Clubs, but still meleeing. Won't Enfeeble to save their lives. Been leveling SAM like crazy lately, had to beg the RDM to cast Gravity at least 5 times before I saw it ONCE.

[TheGrandMom]

Sadly all my problems AS RDM are with the PLDs. When I'm leveling other jobs, I have a big issue with RDMs for some reason. Dual Weilding Clubs, but still meleeing. Won't Enfeeble to save their lives. Been leveling SAM like crazy lately, had to beg the RDM to cast Gravity at least 5 times before I saw it ONCE.

Yep when you play another job, your very aware of how a job you've lvled is being played. I always temper my frustration by /ting the person and talking with them very friendly. I will throw in that I have that job lvled, how much fun it is, what frustrates me, etc. Once a door is open then when I make suggestions they are accepted a bit better. I've still had some people flip out on me but for the most part they either understand and try harder or they blow me off.

[tdh]

I've tried to advise pick up party members in how to better do their job in the past. And I don't think I've EVER had it go well. lol No matter how neutral I tried to stay, or how I worded it, they assume I'm trying to tell them how to do their job. I've evern tried to hint at my experience in the job and have them ask me for tips. Sadly that doesn't happen often, and it usually happens from people are actually doing a pretty decent job. /sigh All this knowledge and experience, and nobody to share it with, save the choir of course! lol

[Caspian]

Yep when you play another job, your very aware of how a job you've lvled is being played.
No kidding. Now that I'm going back and leveling my subs I notice it when I pt with RNG's that suck (ok not necessarily suck, some just don't know). Like RNG's using shortbows for some odd reason, NQ longbows (when the HQ's are rather cheap), or have no clue about where to stand for maximum damage.

In regards for the /pt chat for spells already cast, how long are they waiting before they say it? I know I've said it once or twice while the spell is being cast (usually b/c I'm saying it moments after I get hit with a debuff and am not used to mages being so on the ball). After the first few times I usually give it a round or two of meleeing before I think about saying anything. I think sometimes things are said b/c they are unsure that the mage even saw what happened in the text log (I often can't even see how much I just hit a mob for b/c the box is flying so fast), or they don't see the mage casting b/c of the same reason.

[Taskmage]

Chat filters ftw, Caspian.

Personally, I hate it whenever someone tells me how to do my job. If someone's going to tell me what's up with my performance they better do these three things: express themselves in a polite way be doing an exemplary job at their own role not say the words "on another server"I've never heard the words "on another server" where the rest of the sentence wasn't a blatant lie. Maybe they leveled rdm to 75 on the gamefaqs message board server and thus think they know everything. I could buy that.

[Caspian]

Chat filters ftw, Caspian.

Lol, I know. I'm just afraid I'll filter the wrong things and miss something important.
Offtopic, what filters do ya'll use? What's considered unimportant and I can cut out, but not miss things like buffs, debuff, spellcasts, and damage?

[Taskmage]

Well, I filter most damage. Even damage to party members unless I'm main healer. Damage and missed attacks cuts out a LOT of scrolling. I can't think of what else I use off the top of my head.

[Caspian]

I suppose I could cut out dmg, then just put it back in whenever I decide to use a parser. Does missed attacks include the mob missing me? B/c I'd need that for playing NIN.

[Taskmage]

Missed attacks by you, Attacks you evade, Missed attacks by party members, and attacks evaded by party members are four different filters.

[WishMaster3K]

or you could set damage to appear on screen and not in the chat filter, so you don't miss out on certain things:

When I want to see my MB damage, or if another mage's enfeebles stick, it's kinda hard when I have the pt member or damage filters on. toy around with them. Just setting everything to screen only saves me a LOT of frames in Dynamis, and I don't have to sacrifice seeing whether or not sleep landed/wore.

[Aeni]

I have to agree with tdh that most of my problems are usually with PLDs, but NINs are also a pain in the rear.

"Haste!"
"Hello? Haste {Can I have it?}{Yes, please}"

Umm ... last I checked, RDM don't get haste until 48 and since I'm the main healer in your party, if you're not nice, I can just drop out of party and hightail it back home.

:rolleyes:

Luckily, I never had any problems with the other mages. I guess I'm the first ever support mage that actually remembers to keep their mp pool up. Or they don't care.

:huh:

[Balfree]

My pet peeve is on myself >_>

I pride myself on Refresh duties, it's become very easy to recast refresh, i got the times all figured out ^^

But god.. Dispeling is the worst! I stab myself in the leg each time i miss a mob buff, needless to say i've got a very bleedy and perfurated limb. Crabs are the worst, they have 35235253 Buffs and they use it constantly >_<, any tips guys? >_>

[Aeni]

But god.. Dispeling is the worst! I stab myself in the leg each time i miss a mob buff, needless to say i've got a very bleedy and perfurated limb. Crabs are the worst, they have 35235253 Buffs and they use it constantly >_<, any tips guys? >_>

Haven't fought robber crabs yet ... but in my experience, if crabs, beetles and crawlers are used to chain with higher level stuff (i.e., robbers for gobs in gustav, crawlers for hornflies in CN) then if the mob is going to die soon, I just leave it and either continue resting for MP or taking care of that refresh. If I can spare the time, I'll go dispel it, but more often than naught, a T++ mob should not be hard to hit or damage by a melee. If that's the case, you should shop around for a better party.

[Squerril]

The best thing I could say is: keep your eyes glued to the screen.
I have everything filtered except my stuff (my casting, resists, etc), and then
"Special actions started on/by foes" and "Special action effect on/by foes" filters off (so I can see mob buff). Works good for me. Sometimes robbers can suck and spam buffs, but just gotta stick with it, also nice MP-gain Aspir if you sub blm.^^b

[FortMan]

My pet peeve is on myself >_>

I pride myself on Refresh duties, it's become very easy to recast refresh, i got the times all figured out ^^

But god.. Dispeling is the worst! I stab myself in the leg each time i miss a mob buff, needless to say i've got a very bleedy and perfurated limb. Crabs are the worst, they have 35235253 Buffs and they use it constantly >_<, any tips guys? >_>

Well, not to mention that before chat filter tweak, chat filter did not distinguish between your PT's crab and your neighboring PT's crab, making "phantom dispel", quite common. ^^;

What I do is, instead of trying to rely on chat message alone, try to pick up on visual and audio cues as well. The buffs have quite unique animations and sounds. Hope this shuld help a bit.

[Balfree]

Refreshing and Hasting duties are _usually_ a RDM's Job.
- Haste for 2-3 Melee, NIN needs haste constantly.
- Refresh for 2-3 Mages, PLD needs refresh cosntantly.
- Sub-Healer, most of the time i end up healing more than i should, but that's the whm's problem, too bad i'm the one taking shit.
- Magic Bursting, i pride myself on being able to do all this and still MBing, my only problem is dispelling

Thats already atleast 2x haste + atleast 3x refresh on a regular party setup, looking out for the buffs wearing is on its own a bit of a hassle even if you have most of the chat filtered, my problem is that all "<t> readies <skill>" and "<player> readies <skill>" are all the same color, i dont know how to change this, and most of the time the mob buff goes unnoticed, i mean... are you forced to look at the chatlog 100% of the time? it's a HASSLE, i want to look at the graphics and enjoy them,know what i mean? .. i also want to be able to look to my right to the tv for 2 seconds without losing a buff log because it went up too fast, things go by TOO fast on the chat log, even with the filters >_> only filters i have on are my own actions and the mob and PT skills and spells, filtered out all damage/miss/evade/etc.

Square needs to implement some more icons man, what's so complicated to add little icons on top of the mob's name, you would see the status that mob has but ONLY those you SEEN being used, like if you engage a monster who already has protect cast, you wouldnt see that when you targeted the mob.

Blah >_> so i dont have a chameleon's eyes, is that a pre-requesite to play this game now ; ;?

Double Post Edited:
What I do is, instead of trying to rely on chat message alone, try to pick up on visual and audio cues as well. The buffs have quite unique animations and sounds. Hope this shuld help a bit.

I end up doing this yep, but sometimes theres too many things going on x_x i should probably leave effects of MOB >> MOB and take off the PARTY >> MOB effects, good idea

[Last_Viper]

smn wanted to do hastga and told em to let him do it..
so i got enough time/mp tm MB
the smn wanted to mb too.. ended up that i casted haste again ^^

dispelling whm mob types later is annoing.. but the good thing, silence = no more buffs, crabs can buff even with silence (i guess?!?! correct me if i`m wrong)

[WishMaster3K]

Crabs buff through silence and ALL mage mobs suck. Aura weapons are my sworn enemy, they just suck all types of ass. BLM WHM and RDM mobs, I hate them. BLM mobs recover from silence quick and WHMs and RDMs love things like Haste and Protect.

[Khidir]

I always haste myself before i refresh it gets the mages off my back and side note

galka's have so low mp as pld it seems like a waste refreshing someone with just 89 mp at 55 or was it 54? meh i forget so loong ago...

we had 2 smn main healing so refreshing him was a waste

[Taskmage]

I do Dispel by sound.

You can filter damage and still see others' debuffs. I think that's Spells and Abilities started on/by Party. Putting damage on the screen instead of the log is a good idea, but I used to forget to switch that back when I'm main healing and want to see party damage in the log.

I haven't fought experience level weapons yet, but Antica blm and pld are the worst so far. Not only do they come with two or three buffs precast, but you have to keep them silenced, they have two or three buffing TP moves AND they're highly resistent to dark magic, so sometimes they just shrug off Dispel.

I only recently started using effects filters, mostly to take some burden off my poor old video card. So far I only have non-ally>>non-ally filtered. What do you use?

[Tirrock]

I'm surprised that people changing gear while you're trying to cast something on them isn't on this list. It drives me nuts on my WHM when somebody changes gear all the time while they tank. (Like a PLD switching a bunch of gear to provoke, then switches back...just to switch again 30 seconds later.)

Dispelling doesn't seem that bad to me. Dispel's recast rate is so much better than finale. >< Sometimes I have to keep a mental tally on what buffs are on a monster while waiting for finale to come up again.

Square needs to implement some more icons man, what's so complicated to add little icons on top of the mob's name, you would see the status that mob has but ONLY those you SEEN being used, like if you engage a monster who already has protect cast, you wouldnt see that when you targeted the mob.

YES.

That or make a RDM only job trait (something post 37) where you can look at it and see all the buffs on it, even if you didn't see them casted. I don't think it would be too unbalancing, and it'd make for some better parties, since there wouldn't be any question on if there's a buff on it or not.

[Khidir]

You have to watch bouncing hate at the start of a battle when fighting whm pld and esp rdm not to spam dispel ALWAYS SILENCE before spamming it since you will get so much uber hate! not good when you main heal as well....

ive only had like one or two dispel resist my entire rdm career to 55 that was once on a ghast in eldimene necropolis when doing my af hands a spriggan popped and killed me and meh friend and the second against an antican pld its so rare that i remember it

[Jei]

in party i usually filter all damage except to myself. but keep effects starts/done by party/foe. that way I can see the monster's move and buff/debuff pretty easily.

[Omni]

I have to agree with tdh that most of my problems are usually with PLDs, but NINs are also a pain in the rear.

"Haste!"
"Hello? Haste {Can I have it?}{Yes, please}"

Umm ... last I checked, RDM don't get haste until 48 and since I'm the main healer in your party, if you're not nice, I can just drop out of party and hightail it back home.

:rolleyes:

Luckily, I never had any problems with the other mages. I guess I'm the first ever support mage that actually remembers to keep their mp pool up. Or they don't care.

:huh:

yea i can see myself being a pain in the rear. however, here is why.

utsusemi ni default timer is 45s > hasted 37s
utsusemi ichi default timer is 30s > hasted 24s? (i cant remember for some reason)

to be honest, if you can tell when i have haste and when i dont have haste in the thick of battle and for the times i dont, make sure you give me haste right before i cast utsusemi, i wouldnt really care if i had haste on 24/7.

that usually isnt the case since its pretty busy for you.
whenever i cast utsusemi, if i dont have haste on me at the time i finish casting, my timer jumps back to 45s. if you cast on me after i finish casting, it doesnt do anything for my current timer.

for the most part its not really a big deal, but if you are fighting challanging mobs for your level, that extra 8 seconds shaved off your timer can seem like an eternity when the mobs you are fighting have good accuracy against you.

i do understand that rdm doesnt get haste till 48. im mainly speaking of my experiences past that. :)

[Aeni]

yea i can see myself being a pain in the rear. however, here is why.

When I get Haste, all my tanks, including PLDs, will get it. If I'm main healer, you'll also get, as a NIN:

-Silena
-Paralyna
-Blindna
-Erase

Assuming this in the mid-60s, of course. :P

But it's damn annoying when rank 10 players demand haste and they know better that a RDM don't get Haste until level 48. GO BUG THE BRD FOR HASTE DAMMIT!!!!

[Taskmage]

GO BUG THE BRD FOR HASTE DAMMIT!!!!:huh: Huh? Bards never get Haste. Does March decrease recast times too? Or was that a comment on players asking for spells they should know you don't have?

[WishMaster3K]

Balfree. . .

Refreshing and Hasting duties are _usually_ a RDM's Job.
- Haste for 2-3 Melee, NIN needs haste constantly.
- Refresh for 2-3 Mages, PLD needs refresh cosntantly.
- Sub-Healer, most of the time i end up healing more than i should, but that's the whm's problem, too bad i'm the one taking shit.
- Magic Bursting, i pride myself on being able to do all this and still MBing, my only problem is dispelling

No way in hell, man. no way in hell.

If there is a WHM in the pt, I graciously accept Tank duty. I HATE when WHMs try to pass Hasting duty on me. I don't mind, but there is no way in hell I'm doing 2 Hastes while the WHM is doing 1. That's just a definate no. Especially if I have or more refreshes. the tanks are fortunate to get a Haste from me if I'm worrying about myself, a BLM, a WHM and possibly a PLD.

Dispelling is the more mundane aspect of the job, because it's always unpredictable. Sometimes a mob will have 5 buffs, sometimes none. Sometimes the pt will be SCing at start, and instead of taking off Protect and Shell, you only manage to take off Haste and Aquaveil, meaning that the SC and the resulting MB are crap.

I HATE when I catch crap for that. Melee's are so dense and obsessed with themselves that they never notice the intricacies of fighting. Like 2 melee's asking for Haste when the only mages in the Pt are me and a BRD, and it's bad enough I'm crying between Refresh Cycles and they start a fight when I'm at 70MP and Convert is 3 minutes away.

God Damnit, I hate Melee's with a passion. Except Omni. He's mildly acceptable only cause I like his Avatar.

Edit:
Yeah, March is basically Haste, but with different % of Haste+

[Omni]

/em changes his avatar.

HATE ME NOW FISHMASTER!

yea, march x2 and haste is almost not fair. i think i can just get by with only casting utsusemi ni all the time!

yea i understand pre 50s. heck i didnt get haste regularly till mid 50s anyways. i do agree that i hate it when other melee ask for refresh like it'll make or break their job. ie: rng, mnk, war, drg, thf, sam, drk >.>

[Jei]

silence > dispel > refresh + debuff > cure+haste
I usually give priority like this. Luckily not too many monsters require silence. But when they do I pop silence before anything else.
Dispel is fast to cast so delaying refresh a few seconds for it isn't too bad.

I guess it's my luck too. Most fighters I PT with don't ask for haste that often. Nor do mages ask for refresh. Even better 90% of WHM I PT with always step up and do the haste job without asking me to do so.

If I am the only haster in the PT I haste the main tank right after I refresh myself, not waiting for it to wear off. Just so it's easy to keep track. Only when my MP allows that I'll haste other melee too. Or when they get slowed and need haste.

I have a macro cure III <tank name> just in case I need it. Sometimes I'm too lazy to choose my cure 1-4 normal macro and choose target.

[Taskmage]

I guess it's my luck too. Most fighters I PT with don't ask for haste that often. Nor do mages ask for refresh. Even better 90% of WHM I PT with always step up and do the haste job without asking me to do so.

If I am the only haster in the PT I haste the main tank right after I refresh myself, not waiting for it to wear off. Just so it's easy to keep track. Only when my MP allows that I'll haste other melee too. Or when they get slowed and need haste.Same here. If the mob doesn't buff or require Silence, 2-3 Haste + 2-3 Refresh isn't that bad, but if it does, nuh uh. Forget it.

If I'm the only haster, the tank gets it by default. If I see that someone could use Haste to better the flow of the party, like a thf needing to be able to SATA just a little bit faster, or on SC member getting TP just a little slower than the other, I'll try to keep Haste on them. Others get it only if they ask and I can work them in.

[Karinya]

If you want haste on 3+ people, you should invite at least 2 people that are capable of hasting.

I also agree with Jei that silence trumps everything. If you don't think so, enjoy your Thundaga III. Silence can save more HP than Curaga III, and for less hate, too.

I'll often start with silence, dispel, first refresh, first haste, dispel, paralyze, slow (if PLD tank or if the NIN was resisted; or blind if the NIN's slow landed but their blind was resisted), dispel, second refresh, second haste and then see where to go from there. (Assuming none of that stuff needs to get preempted for emergency cures/nas, silence recast or MB, and that you actually need that many dispels - which is possible on weapons and some beastmen). Note that this is from primarily a merit perspective, if you're at one of the levels where you often fight things that are very hard to hit, you may want to put Gravity earlier in your spell order.

IMO if there are 3 people needing/wanting haste, the WHM should take 2 and the RDM 1 (and yes, I still believe this while leveling WHM :3 ). Usually the RDM is casting at least 3 refreshes in that situation in addition to any enfeebles, support healing, status cures (if /WHM) or MB. It's nice to help other pt members out, but there's a reason WHM get haste first - it's primarily their spell and their responsibility.

[Caspian]

i do agree that i hate it when other melee ask for refresh like it'll make or break their job. ie: rng,

What kind of shitty rng's are you pt'ing with who think they need haste? Only plausible situation I could see ridill/kraken wielding rng/nin in dynamis or something who melee's for tp then drops back for slugwinder. Seems like one hell of a waste of tp imo.

[Omni]

hey, people out there will surprise you.

ive been in a pt where each of those melee bitch about haste. its like huh? /shrug

[Jei]

I used to keep hasting rangers. Then one day the ranger in my PT told me to stop D:

[Caspian]

For any rdm's and whm's who don't know and have been lied to by stupid/stupider rng's:
Haste has no effect on ranged attacks. It may have been semi-useful pre-nerf when we were kissing mobs as we shot them. A few extra swings helps with tp gain, but nolonger. Remind the rng it has no effect on ranged attacks (it could theoretically slightly reduce the timer on barrage, sharpshot, and unlimited shot, but it would have to be cast right before they activate it, even then I'm not sure how much time it would take off.) and they can get over it. If they get pissy, I'd recommend immediately calling them out on not knowing how they're job is played. It should get interesting from there. :thumbsup:

[TheGrandMom]

I used to keep hasting rangers. Then one day the ranger in my PT told me to stop D:

Yes this happened to me also. In fact, he was quite nasty about it at the time. LOL I prefer to do 2 hastes in with my refresh cycle. Whatever is left over is for the whm. If there is no whm, then I just watch and see who needs it the most. Of course, nin's are automatic but depending on the pt structure (nin burn), sometimes its hard to figure out.

[Icemage]

Couple notes:

BRD March songs work like Haste - spell recast and attack speed is improved.

RNG should never, ever get Haste unless the tank is down and you need the RNG to secondary tank with Utsusemi (unlikely, but possible).


Icemage

[Caspian]

RNG should never, ever get Haste unless the tank is down and you need the RNG to secondary tank with Utsusemi (unlikely, but possible).
I dare say if that is the case you might just want to escape or run, whichever is easier. I can recall only a handful of times where I've been in that situation and thats worked. Pre-nerf 3x rng party. Tank died due to a link and myself and the other two rangers just bounced hate around b/w recasts until it was dead. Much more effective to do that then than now. Now you just get three people with utsu ichi hoping to keep hate at all b/c their damage sucks at close range. Granted its plausible and a possible last ditch effort, but it sure is a bad sign of things to come.

[tdh]

I almost always take the Tank hasting. For PLD parties, I Refresh myself, Haste the PLD, Refresh the PLD. I do this every time I restart my Refresh cycle. If I have a NIN tank, I do the same thing and move onto my next MP user. I almost never Haste myself, and like I said I always Haste the tank, but it drives me nuts when the WHM won't haste at least one person. As a DRK52 I often Haste the DRK so they can keep up with TP in case they miss. WAR/NINs & MNKs I rarely Haste, but it's nice sometimes to drop it one these guys.

Dispel can be a pain in the butt at time, and then there are Ahrimans who seem to resist Dispel 98% of the time, and never resiste Finale. I hate when a Crab puts up Stoneskin, and by the time I cast Dispel, the melee have beat through it! lol

[Aeni]

Pet peeve #103...

Having to refresh 5/6 party members. That just blows. I realize that by the time I'm done with refresh cycles and squeezing in enfeebling and dispel in between, I have absolutely no way of sitting down to rest and getting decent amount of mp.

My god, I'm the kind of RDM that needs a VC :P And sub SMN >_> Not sure how you RDMs do it, but it feels like a lost cause if the party is a wee-bit too low for the mobs in an area and your PLD is sucking MP faster than you can feed it >_>

And to all you hasters out there: I never have asked for Haste even once since I took up DRK 2+ years ago. You'd be surprised at how little attention I receive with Hastes. I think I can count on my hand the number of RDMs or WHMs that have actually given me haste in a party.

If you think you know anything about high delay weapons, think again. Haste does make a difference >_>

[WishMaster3K]

For DRKs, absolutely. I'll skip the TP whoring WAR and give Haste to any other melee up there. Especially DRK/THF, who are gimping their dps just for SATA. I feel really bad for those jobs.

I LOVE it when the other melee bitch and want to argue in /t (even /p) that certain jobs shouldn't get Haste over others. I even love it when those jobs arguing me are WARs, MNKs or DRGs: Jobs with no shortage of TP problems. EsPECIALLY WARs with TP whortastic weaps like a Joyeuse or Ridill.

If I'm refreshing more than 4 people, chances are I'm in a sky event or something else, meaning that Refresh is all I'll NEED to do. No way in hell I'm refreshing 4+ jobs, and there aren't other jobs in the pt to pick upthe slack that would kill my MP pool to cover.

[Aeni]

For DRKs, absolutely. I'll skip the TP whoring WAR and give Haste to any other melee up there. Especially DRK/THF, who are gimping their dps just for SATA. I feel really bad for those jobs.

I LOVE it when the other melee bitch and want to argue in /t (even /p) that certain jobs shouldn't get Haste over others. I even love it when those jobs arguing me are WARs, MNKs or DRGs: Jobs with no shortage of TP problems. EsPECIALLY WARs with TP whortastic weaps like a Joyeuse or Ridill.

If I'm refreshing more than 4 people, chances are I'm in a sky event or something else, meaning that Refresh is all I'll NEED to do. No way in hell I'm refreshing 4+ jobs, and there aren't other jobs in the pt to pick upthe slack that would kill my MP pool to cover.

My DRK would love you long time... :love:

[Icemage]

There's a reason I use RDM/BRD. Works great if you're Taru with a naturally high MP pool. :)


Icemage

[WishMaster3K]

My DRK would love you long time... :love:

I love you Brokeback-style, Aeni >.>

[Khidir]

whats VC? Rdm/smn is sorta ok for pt use as long as you have blm and whm in the pt then you have sort of a free rein

Double Post Edited:
forgot to add giving aerial armor to a pt with a gimp sub= looks on faces priceless

i don't have garuda unlocked but i want to try it when i get back

[Jei]

if your main role is refresh, rdm/brd will work so well without having to be a taru I think >.>
ballad will give us back 40-80mp per refresh cycle, more than enough to refresh up to 4 other members easily.
I used to be the main mp healer for my HNMLS with 5 other BLM. Without /Brd I wouldn't be able to keep up the MP orz... VC makes it easier.

[Gwynn]

My biggest pet peeve is stuck up BLMs and WHMs who think they can dictate every little aspect of my job to me just because they have RDM at 75. Now, if they want to give me friendly advice, hey no prob! But when they start telling me every little thing to do and how to do it I get pissed. And yes, this has happened enough times to make it an annoying occurence.

Refreshing 5 people, and then the melees expecting to receive Haste on top of that is very annoying.

Melees who moan for Haste because they have horrible gear and can't keep up at all with their moderately equipped SC bud.

>.> Basically any job who expects me to go above and beyond the call of duty just to pick up their slack because they've either got crappy gear or crappy skills.

[Khidir]

I hear you about other rdms acting like they own the job and think they are superior to others Gwynn! i would QFT but its banned at school...>.>'

[MikeDee]

Refreshing 5 people, and then the melees expecting to receive Haste on top of that is very annoying.

It's annoying because you have to actually do work I guess.

What kind of XP PT was it where you have to refresh 5 people? Was there a DRG/WHM there or something? Mostly all higher level XP mobs have MP, if there's a DRK in there and they don't Aspir than they suck. I can understand on Statutes in Sky with PLD DRK WHM RDM BLM WAR but that's a mess for a RDM, lose the WHM get a BRD and go sub WHM.

So get off your high horse and suck it up. Eat a Marron Glace and haste the melle.

I bet you don't haste MNKs in KRT, have fun with XP Chain 6 in there ;3

[Gwynn]

It's annoying because you have to actually do work I guess.

What kind of XP PT was it where you have to refresh 5 people? Was there a DRG/WHM there or something? Mostly all higher level XP mobs have MP, if there's a DRK in there and they don't Aspir than they suck. I can understand on Statutes in Sky with PLD DRK WHM RDM BLM WAR but that's a mess for a RDM, lose the WHM get a BRD and go sub WHM.

So get off your high horse and suck it up. Eat a Marron Glace and haste the melle.

I bet you don't haste MNKs in KRT, have fun with XP Chain 6 in there ;3
I get PLD DRK WHM BLM RDM parties quite a lot, actually. And I do eat Marron Glace. If the DRK actually use their MP, I'll put them in the Refresh cycle, usually every other. I'm not on a high horse, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just saying that keeping up with all the enfeebles, refreshes, and then being expected to keep all the melees and tank hasted while the WHM doesn't help at all can get a tad frustrating.
And I've never been to Sky or a MNK party in KRT, I'm only 67.

[Jei]

with mnk PT usually i don't haste either except when they got slowed. The XP chain you see in my sig, 72 chain, that was MNK KRT PT. 3 mnks, brd blm rdm. I actually spent most of my MP casting cure in that PT.
Usually the chain ends around 15-20. that 72 was exceptional I had to put it in my sig xD

[TheGrandMom]

Yes, its annoying when every single melee in the pt is whining for haste and you have more important matters, like MP conservation!!, to worry about. (They whine if you don't haste ALL of them and then they whine when you run out of mp......just can't win with some people.) I think that its just they don't realize that 40 mp x every tank, melee, and whiner is a lot of mp to dish out and they've never had the pleasure of playing a mage job to learn about mp conservation. I see no reason to haste the war thats raping the mob, drawing hate, and sucking healing mp because of it. Ya you need haste......my arse! Ditto that same scenario for a mnk. There are right times to haste and right people to haste and it can only be determined on a pt to pt basis.

[Taskmage]

Yea, 5 Refresh and 3 Haste is 320 mp every 3 minutes. Taking out the 110 we get back from refresh, that's still 700 mp every convert cycle. Doesn't leave a wholy bloody lot for Dispel, debuffs, curing ... not to mention that there will be precious little time between casting those buffs to work in other spells. Forget about getting a tick of rest.

[Tirrock]

I've been hasted once that I can remember as my MNK. And that was due to a mistarget...they meant to haste somebody else. >_>a It doesn't really bother me. I can pull hate with pure melee with a tank that's slacking off.

DRK definately have haste priority of all melees to me. Well, unless you want to count NIN as a melee, then DRKs have second priority. Their TP gain is just painful. It needs all the help it can get.

[Aeni]

It's annoying because you have to actually do work I guess.

What kind of XP PT was it where you have to refresh 5 people? Was there a DRG/WHM there or something? Mostly all higher level XP mobs have MP, if there's a DRK in there and they don't Aspir than they suck. I can understand on Statutes in Sky with PLD DRK WHM RDM BLM WAR but that's a mess for a RDM, lose the WHM get a BRD and go sub WHM.

So get off your high horse and suck it up. Eat a Marron Glace and haste the melle.

I bet you don't haste MNKs in KRT, have fun with XP Chain 6 in there ;3

I think this response was totally uncalled for. If you're a Tarutaru RDM, then to hell with you. Also your comment about DRKs not using Aspir also shows how much you know about the game. DRKs do use Aspir, but there's something called "resists" that can either make it work or not work. If you're taking magic pots and other mobs that are highly resistant to magic, then you should know this already.

As for MNKs needing haste, a good MNK that's geared up already have super high haste. Jei got good chains and I think he knows what he's doing.

:rolleyes:

[Taskmage]

Chain 72 is above and beyond "good chains."

There's also this problem that most mobs in the game aren't Aspirable.

[tdh]

Yeah, that post was a little off. There aren't that many mobs out there that have MP to Aspir. Crabs, Beetles, some Weapons, Mage type Beastmen, Pots, and Elementals. And some of them have a high resistance to magic. So if you're fighting those Retarded Dhalmels in Bibiki, Aspir is just a waste of 10MP.

I'm a DRK52 as well, it was my first job to Lv.50. So I know how crazy it is swinging a weapon with Delay:525, and before Double Attack I had nothing to bail me out if I missed. (Also keep in mind I leveled DRK to Lv.51 BEFORE sushi was introduced.) Haste is a HUGE help. But again, tank gets first dibs. If I have a party with a WHM who's Hasting the tank, I'll haste the next person with the highest Delay. So that would be DRK, DRG, SAM, or WAR w/ Great Axe. (Which I haven't seen since Lv.62. lol) I've seen MNKs with Haste+25%, so that's almost twice Haste, so Hasting them would be silly. Yeah they'll do more damage, but they'll also pull hate like nobody's business.

But those 5 MP users parties are a strain. As a Lv.72 Elvaan RDM, with Glace I can push my MP to 825. If I Haste more than one person it means I have a BRD, or kills are so fast I have plenty of MP to do everything. Sometimes I wish you could switch places with people in your party. So you can do their job and show them how to do it, and so they could see how hectic and busy out job is. But if we could do that, we'd never gain any EXP.

[Jei]

The hugest factor getting very high chains in KRT IMO is actually the BRD. Flawless pulls from BRD really is what keeps the chain going, same for both camping and moving parties. Lullaby the next skeleton in the direction we're running to for example.

party with PLD usually don't do the moving, and in this case I have enough time to sit, so some haste here and there can be easily managed.
Moving parties with no pld tho, MP conserve can become an issue if you cast too many spells, even with 2 Ballad ^^;
Usually it's the moving parties that get higher chains.

[Aeni]

The hugest factor getting very high chains in KRT IMO is actually the BRD. Flawless pulls from BRD really is what keeps the chain going, same for both camping and moving parties. Lullaby the next skeleton in the direction we're running to for example.

party with PLD usually don't do the moving, and in this case I have enough time to sit, so some haste here and there can be easily managed.
Moving parties with no pld tho, MP conserve can become an issue if you cast too many spells, even with 2 Ballad ^^;
Usually it's the moving parties that get higher chains.

That's when you need those refresh equipment, like VC. Even 1 mp per tick is helluva lot better than 0 mp per tick ... lolorz. T_T

[WishMaster3K]

MikeDee probably raised RDM to 75 to be a part of end-game activities. Don't worry Gywnn, Renarudo has your back \(^@^)/

Yeah, makes me actually want to raise SMN and BRD for subs, and give my life to end-game lses so that I can get a Dalmatica. *sigh*

During *normal* exp, however, the only time I'd use a VC or DMC would be when I'm resting, because that's the only time I'm not switching macros. I suppose I could get a little bold and put it on Haste and Refresh macros so that I could cheat myself a FEW* extra MP a tick.

But ultimately, meritting Convert is the best thing any RDM can do. Fully Meritted Convert is:
20seconds x 10 upgrades = 200 seconds = 3minutes and 20seconds. Meaning convert is at 6:40

With a Convert every 6 minutes and 40 seconds, I don't need to /heal.

Ever.

[Aeni]

Wow, convert down to 6 min? Holy shmokers ...

I got another Pet Peeve ... When MNK provokes and has counterstance and berserk on and there's only 2 RDMs in the party to heal. Aside from the PLD. lolorz ... (2x MNK PT btw, but just one of them was reckless)

Incidentally ... I fell for this JP PLD in tonight's PT. We got to spend some time together chatting it up after the PT had long disbanded. Sigh .... :love:

[WishMaster3K]

MNKs with capped counter and guard totally rape KRT. You can have a BRD main heal ._.

[Gwynn]

Thanks for the.. uh... support everyone. I guess I could've been a bit more vocal, but I really didn't want to get into a flame war.

On a related note:

I haven't been in a Monk Burn party, but I have been in a Katana Burn party in The Boyahda Tree. Ninja Ninja Ninja Red Mage Bard Bard... I managed to keep the Ninjas hasted at all times, myself refreshed at all times, and always got off Dia and Gravity on the mobs (they died before I could cast anything else), and main healed (if you can call healing 3 Ninjas main healing...). That was probably the fastest EXP I've ever gotten...

[arkaine23]

Convert merits cap at 5 upgrades, same as anything in any of the job-specific categories. This equates to 20 seconds x 5 = 100 seconds. So you can reduce your 10:00 timer to 8:20.

[WishMaster3K]

I believe with the merit update recently, once was able to dump 10 points into Job-Specificity. I will check again.

[Aeni]

MNKs with capped counter and guard totally rape KRT. You can have a BRD main heal ._.

Oh, I understand that very well. However, when you're a lowbie MNK (40s), your first main and don't follow the puller's (In this case, the THF) instruction very well (i.e., voke when SATA wasn't up so that the PLD couldn't get hate back and especially when MNK throws up Raging Fists on the get go) then you have absolutely no right to have counterstance up with berserk on and trying to tank in a gear that would make baby Jesus cry.

Did that clear up any confusion for y'all? :shocked:

Seriously, our party, except for a couple of nasty bomb tosses, had the potential to break 7k/hr exp last night, since we still managed to (not sure how) get to chain #5s ...