GM Got Nasty ; ;

[Twofistedegg]

This situation is now closed.

Mr. Fonseca has contacted me twice today and he's the most polite guy with the hardest job. Much Respect to him.


The situation was reviewed and Mr. Fonseca and the lead GM were shocked by what they had seen. My account is currently having the suspension removed and any negative notes that this corrupt GM left are being removed.

Not all GM's are bad however like Mr. Fonseca said this GM is being delt with and he is sorry that I was caused any problems by him.

I appreciate the time and effort everyone that contributed great information and hope you guys confront these situations in a positive way and say professional. Nothing can frustrate someone more when you maintain such an attitude.

[silentsteel]

well Thats stupid, they have to have Actual proof before they ban/suspend you. >.> I think someones kid got hold of their computer when they went out to lunch or something. . .

[Jei]

check out the post by Tigger here
http://www.lisaarndt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4338&start=60

she claims she has goten contect from an OPR manager and posted the e-mail.
I don't know how true this is but might be worth a shot.

when hearing your story you know what I think... maybe the GM was a roomate of those cheaters or running the bots himself -.0

[Twofistedegg]

I posted the log from my TEMP file at

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10;mid=114222068575442037;page=1# 114222562875455476

I don't like cross posting but I don't want to post it again -.-

but it's kinda funny.. yes yes I did get a little uppity.. but come'on this guy was being a prat.

Double Post Edited:
I appreciate the link oh Guru Moderator,

I've sent an email to Frank and await his reply ..

[Jei]

wow... so immature... so unprofessional...

[TheGrandMom]

No offense but I'd need to see screenshots and not copy and paste.

Every GM has a "Hello, this is [GM]BlueIdiot, how can I help you this evening?" or something close to that. I can believe some immaturity and unprofessionalism but this is just so far off the mark it isn't funny.

[Twofistedegg]

Yeah, exactly why i find this a problem..

This was nothing that I would expect a GM to say or how a GM should act..

I've emailed Frank and will be calling his office in the morning

And since I wasn't using a 3rd party program, I have no clue how to make screen shots with POL..

But trust me I'm too old to make up this fun event.

It's just interesting how CS has gone to heck and back.

Double Post Edited:
What I posted is actually what come from the log, I think you're referring to when he first contacted me.. that was when I reported the 4 people for botting..

The log I posted was from when I was put into the Jail til i was suspended.

[Taskmage]

I believe this for the simple reason that there's nothing to gain from fabricating such an elaborate lie.

I did a due diligence google on Thunderan. Seems about an equal number of people respect him as think he's a total prick.

Reading over the log I think you made a big mistake in getting snippy with him. If what you say is true then they clearly made a mixup somewhere and busted you on data collected on another IP or somesuch, but the more accusative and inflammatory you became with him, the more obstinant he became in his viewpoint and refused to see that he was wrong.

Although, as one of the alla posters pointed out, I find it interesting that you say you were running clean today because you had to replace some things. What were you running before?

If what you say is true, then I hope you get some reparation for what happened. Though .. it was a 72 hour suspension, right? I don't really know what they'd do. Give you a dollar off next month? At very least I hope the people you reported get whatever they deserve. If this story is a lie or you're misleading through omission, then please feel free to rot in Mordion Gaol. Either way, thank you for your call. Hope you have a good one.

[Tsikuro]

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3055/pol20060313020839291ja.jpg
My conversation about Thunderan with a Lead GM

[Jei]

I have an idea on what issue you are talking about <--- wow I'm impressed by this GM's response. Very honest :D

[Taskmage]

Just incredible :shocked:
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20876&stc=1

[Jei]

woa... is that your mule? How did you get him to say that?

[Taskmage]

No, this was posted over on alla. I wish I knew the context as well, but under what conditions could that statement be "ok?"

[Alucath]

My real name's Corwin. >.> Creepy.

[Yashin]

Like I said on KI, its impossible to see what programs your running. To my knowledge WoW is the only one that can do that, and that started a huge conterversy because they could see everything you where doing an dhad open like a word pad or something...

At first I didnt belive it at all but that Galka picture made me think that its possible...I dont see how he could be a GM and act like this though...And second how can he flat out lie about seeing programs you are running...Uh Mr. GM...There first off fails to be a way to do such a thing and if you could find them that easy...WHY THE FUCK IS THERE PEOPLE STILL BOTTING!?

[Tsikuro]

I'm sure the Galka screenshot is photoshopped.
He'd obviously lose his job on the spot if he said that.
And besides, half of it *is* photoshopped, so that hints at the bottom part being the way too.

[Kailea]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2356/untitled1copy4mt.jpg



I have to say this does not look photoshoped, I have looked at it for a while and can find nothing, anyone else want to look at this :p

[TheGrandMom]

And since I wasn't using a 3rd party program, I have no clue how to make screen shots with POL..


Ok I guess I need to point out that in his original post on Alla he stated that he does usually use a windower but that day was not. So we can safely assume that he was playing on PC and therefore could take screenshots of the conversation. I know I can when I play on my pc and I don't use a windower. Sooooo lvl 75 and doesn't know how to take ss's?

And if your wondering why his original post doesn't state this its because he edited it. If you scroll down you'll see someone quoted his post and if you look at the days and times you'll see that he quickly edited his original post after the person did so.

Now if that doesn't get you to wondering........

I believe this for the simple reason that there's nothing to gain from fabricating such an elaborate lie.



Not saying the OP is one, but attention whores are a dime a dozen on the internet.

[Intensity]

I'd be skeptical as well if not for one thing. There's been NUMEROUS posts on KI and alla about this very same asshole GM. Now, I guess the OP could be jumping on the bandwagon of the people who've been legitimately screwed by this guy, but unfortunately for SE, Thundar's had the finger pointed at him too many times for us to easily write off this accusation as being too ludacris to be true.

[TBoTB]

Hmm pretty interesting indeed. I dont know if thats how it comes out in the logs but it didn't seem that the OP was speaking that all clear either or more so than the GM. He praticly increminated himself more than twice, at least by what i saw but if neither of them were speaking all that clear then neither of them wouldn't have noticed it. Like i said before though, i could be wrong since ive never looked at the logs before and i know when a system writes a file, its not the most grammaticly correct piece of literature and can even be more jumbled by looking at it in a text editor not designed to open the file in its natural state (if its not a .txt, .cfg, etc.)

[Omni]

Ok I guess I need to point out that in his original post on Alla he stated that he does usually use a windower but that day was not. So we can safely assume that he was playing on PC and therefore could take screenshots of the conversation. I know I can when I play on my pc and I don't use a windower. Sooooo lvl 75 and doesn't know how to take ss's?

And if your wondering why his original post doesn't state this its because he edited it. If you scroll down you'll see someone quoted his post and if you look at the days and times you'll see that he quickly edited his original post after the person did so.

Now if that doesn't get you to wondering........



Not saying the OP is one, but attention whores are a dime a dozen on the internet.

i agree with tgm. *coughbullshitcough*

[Twofistedegg]

Update,

I contacted the Support Line and they were "expected" my call.

i guess the GM Manager is going to contact me via Phone today about this issue.

[the rat]

when hearing your story you know what I think... maybe the GM was a roomate of those cheaters or running the bots himself -.0


Very possable. Several SoE GM's are making some extra cash on the side under SE's nose.


1UP: So it's mostly Square's show, then...[nervous laughter all around]...It's not to knock Sony's involvement -- we just found it interesting that either you have Square Enix running things, or even odder is you have two halves of Sony administering two different online games, since Sony Online has Everquest Online Adventures. Is it unusual at all for you to be working with a company that's sort of a competitor?

Yasu Kurosawa: Actually, Sony Online Entertainment is a good partner of ours. They handle the U.S. side as far as game masters and the call center, so we work together. They're highly professional on that end.


My foot they are.

[DakAttack]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2356/untitled1copy4mt.jpg



I have to say this does not look photoshoped, I have looked at it for a while and can find nothing, anyone else want to look at this :p

Edit: Nevermind I saw the original. Why would somebody crop it like that? >_>

[Aeni]

I'd be skeptical as well if not for one thing. There's been NUMEROUS posts on KI and alla about this very same asshole GM. Now, I guess the OP could be jumping on the bandwagon of the people who've been legitimately screwed by this guy, but unfortunately for SE, Thundar's had the finger pointed at him too many times for us to easily write off this accusation as being too ludacris to be true.

No, this is what it sounds like to me. Sounds like someone has a vendetta against this GM and is fabricating a serious issue in order to actually get this guy fired. Maybe all of these other issues people had problems with weren't even close to where this thread is going. Also, I reviewed the past SS's of this GM and other players and this particular conversation piece was not consistent with those previous actions. For example, the use of ebonics (???) was not even found in previous dealings by other people. Which leads me to believe that there is something fishy about this whole affair.

And no SSs to boot. That makes it even worse. You can still hit use POL's own SS to take picture of mordion gaol to even make this halfway believable.

I'm sorry, but it's the whole "innocent until proven guilty" deal I have. I've seen way too many slandering and false accusations on many forums. There was this shining example of one in the Midgardsormr Forum on KI where someone said they were banned for no reason. However, eventually, we find out that this player may have been using a speed hack and was trying to cover him/herself up by throwing the community's anger at the GM and rather than have the community focus on the actual matter. It's a good thing that many of the players knew this GM in question and felt that the matter was worth "investigating."

Maybe it's time to call in alibis and people who can vouch for the OP... I've yet to see anything about having this said in LS chat or the like. =/

[FortMan]

Ok I guess I need to point out that in his original post on Alla he stated that he does usually use a windower but that day was not. So we can safely assume that he was playing on PC and therefore could take screenshots of the conversation. I know I can when I play on my pc and I don't use a windower. Sooooo lvl 75 and doesn't know how to take ss's?

On the other hand, can PoL capture screenshot with chat window on it? Cause I don't think it will help him much if it can't.

[Deltran]

it can on pc version i think.

[Taskmage]

If you use POL to take the screenshot, it hides the chat window and menus just like on the PS2. I think you can still use Alt-Printscreen or something to copy an image of the screen to the clipboard, but you can only keep one screenshot on the clipboard at a time and would have to exit FFXI to dump it to a file.

[TheGrandMom]

No idea because I don't use it. Someone will have to check into that.

Regardless of whether it takes chat or not, I don't know anyone that wouldn't take a pic of themself in GM jail. Yet even that wasn't taken and posted as proof.

[Deltran]

i could see a gm becoming power hungry, but still they will follow the guidelines of their job, right? or just go total bad cop?:evil:

[Twofistedegg]

For all those that thought I was lying,

Please apologize below ^.^

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[Taskmage]

Oops! Your images for those links are no longer there.

[Twofistedegg]

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9031/img00262yp.th.jpg (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img00262yp.jpg)

[Taskmage]

Excellent. ^^d

[Intensity]

I guess it's all speculation from this point. When it comes down to it, does this make me hate GM's anymore than I do now? No. Why you may ask? GM's have proven to me personally, all speculation and attention-whoring aside, that they are always unable to solve any problem I've ever contacted them on. This includes but is not excluded to: Possible botting competition at NM camp's, previous MPK attempts after party altercations, Harassment, AH not delivering Gil (Happened to 3 different people I know, 2 of which live in the same house as me), etc. Never have I personally called a GM or have one of my friends call a GM and have I seen anything actually resolved in those situations. So, more GM bad-mouthing isn't going to make me feel they're any more useless than they are now.

As to whether I believe the OP's story. It could be true. Or it could not. It sure doesn't help my already tainted opinion of SE's force in our world.

[Taskmage]

For some reason your image links from the alla thread worked for me. Scaled down the filesize and attached them here.

[Twofistedegg]

I think this whole topic is a little above your head.

this thread was never to be a GM hating thread. It's more of a thread to let users know that harassment in any form from a GM is unacceptable and there are ways to deal with it.

Harassment should never be tolerated by any player in the game and thus if it does come to a point where a player is being harassed there are routes and measures to ensure your in game enjoyment.

No where did I personally encourage GM hating. I have found in all areas of life there are people who spoil the bunch in situations. Look for the good people in all things, the good always out number the bad.

This specific GM listed above was a BAD GM... he got caught. Basically I look at it like a serial offender. He has probably 'man handled' several users in his career and no one did anything about it.

Well I did.. from the post that Jai listed above, ( thank you again )

I found specific people to contact to handle the situation.


I guess it's all speculation from this point. When it comes down to it, does this make me hate GM's anymore than I do now? No. Why you may ask? GM's have proven to me personally, all speculation and attention-whoring aside, that they are always unable to solve any problem I've ever contacted them on. This includes but is not excluded to: Possible botting competition at NM camp's, previous MPK attempts after party altercations, Harassment, AH not delivering Gil (Happened to 3 different people I know, 2 of which live in the same house as me), etc. Never have I personally called a GM or have one of my friends call a GM and have I seen anything actually resolved in those situations. So, more GM bad-mouthing isn't going to make me feel they're any more useless than they are now.

[Intensity]

Above my head? Right. I'm unsure where anywhere in my post I claimed this was a thread to create GM hate. I do think I made comments towards my personal feelings of GM's. As for your condescending attitude, I feel it was uncalled for but w/e. I expect that from internet message boards.

If you'll actually READ my post, you'll see I clearly outline particular reasons why I've come to feel this way, above and beyond your own experience with them. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Jei]

screenshots with Souljourn looks real to me. but you can't get upset with ppl not believing you. It's just the way it is.

How irony when you think about it. The GM suspended you saying you use 3rd party programs.
But in order to prove yourself to the internet you HAVE to use 3rd party programs like windower to take screenshots.

[Medalink]

Talking to a GM while useing Windower.... Priceless ^^

Medalink

[Macht]

screenshots with Souljourn looks real to me. but you can't get upset with ppl not believing you. It's just the way it is.

How irony when you think about it. The GM suspended you saying you use 3rd party programs.
But in order to prove yourself to the internet you HAVE to use 3rd party programs like windower to take screenshots.

Lol, yeah that is quite an irony. Proving his innocence though is a bit tough I think, or even proving that he is in the wrong. It looks like a bad mix of a gun-ho GM, a technically cheating Player (Windower), and potential bad read on his system with the checks that POL has to indentify potential cheats. The only cheat though that it seems SE is most worried about is speedhacks, why? beats the heck out of me.

To break it down on how hard it makes to tell validity of GM being right or the Player here's a quick breakdown:


Player does use Windower (Technically they are cheating) and if it is possible for SE to identify such a thing, meaning that they coded for it because the potential is there it's only a matter of if they did or not.
Player did change something to their PC (Add or Removed device) and likely had done something wrong in doing so that the could give a false reading (Such as what one poster on alla stated, logical enough)
Gun-ho GM, it is common with the gun-ho (power hungry) people to become almost childish in behavior when they feel they have someone that they think they can "legally attack". As the conversation progressed you can tell that the GM almost at one point had a second thought, at this point the Player was able to identify the GMs second guessing and was to far in a fury to fix the situation.


Just a nasty combination of so many potentials that who's right here is just to hard to say. As far as I see it the only potential reason that a GM would apologize like that was if you actually had enough players that believed you to call a GM in consern of false accusation. In this point the GMs childish nature worked to your benefit if that conversation is the case.

Sorry can't really stand behind you on your actions or against you, situation just has way to many potentials to it of both sides being right in their general action (Excluding the conversation that took place).

[Twofistedegg]

This is all I can actually say.

Mr. Fonseca contacted me today and told me he reviewed this logs with the Lead GM ( which is in the above screen shot ) they were both shocked and very very sorry about how I was treated. The 1st phone conversation lasted around 15-20 mins as he wanted to make sure that I knew that not all GM's are like this and this is not customary of SE.

Basically, since I was not using any 3rd party program. He reviewed the logs ( which I posted exactly from the TEMP/ log files on Alla ) .. and told me the GM was totally in the wrong and both he and the lead GM will deal with him.

And I think that phrase as been told me to several times today in the 2 phone conversations I had with Mr. Fonseca and in the one conversation with the lead GM.

People may not believe this or may want to flame it. That's their thing.

I know what I've said and posted was right.

I posted this to show that no one should accept harassment and there are methods of handling this.

that's about all I can say..

[Taskmage]

Just curious. Did they do anything to explain how they got a false positive on you or address anything else about what happened other than the extreme unprofessionalism on the part of Thunderan?

[TheGrandMom]

For all those that thought I was lying,

Please apologize below ^.^



:rofl:

screenshots with Souljourn looks real to me. but you can't get upset with ppl not believing you. It's just the way it is.

How irony when you think about it. The GM suspended you saying you use 3rd party programs.
But in order to prove yourself to the internet you HAVE to use 3rd party programs like windower to take screenshots.

Exactly.

[Taskmage]

I don't understand why you're trying so hard to disbelieve this person. Why is Thunderan "innocent until proven guilty" to you whereas the OP is guilty until proven innocent? They're both people, neither one more credible than the other.

Which story makes more sense to you? This story you're making up about a player who fabricated pages of chat and staged a conversation with a lead GM as a platform to turn public opinion against a GM with whom he had a personal grudge? Or the story that he is telling about a GM who got some data mixed up and became obstinant and rude towards a player who disrespected his authority?

I can't fault a healthy skepticism for anything you read on the internet, but I think your stalwart cynicism in this case is way off base.

Double Post Edited:
Also, I believe as a common courtesy, you normally do not post such things in the forum community. I think resolution with SE comes first and if all else fails, you come to see the community about it. Rather than explicitly detailing the incident, a simple question on advice and asking where to seek recourse would help much more than trying to incite the community, whether or not intentionally, and provoke emotions and drama over this whole deal.If, for example, someone MPKed me, my first reaction would be to bitch about it in ls. Then, several seconds later after cooling off a bit, I would think to report the behavior to a GM properly. I think this is analagous. If I believed I had been wrongfully dealt with by a GM, I would want to share my story. I think it's a natural behavior for someone who has been hurt or wronged to try to get others to sympathize with their position. Possibly it would have been more civil to do as you suggested, but I don't think that failure is worth reproachful comments in red boldfaced text.

[Jei]

dunno. to my feeling, when a company perform some poor service I don't think speaking it up in public is a wrong thing to do. Like City Bank, hearing bad things about it here and there.

[Jarre]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2356/untitled1copy4mt.jpg



I have to say this does not look photoshoped, I have looked at it for a while and can find nothing, anyone else want to look at this :p

Yup that is definately photoshopped, if you look closely the bottom of the brackets overlap the grey line at the bottom of the text window, it looks like its tried to be scrubbed out but not quite when i view it on my mates 32" LCD, its quite clear to see itsbeen typed and added.

[Omni]

i think its basically based on the way this was originally posted. lots of editing as tgm pointed out, lots of fishy 'facts'. the temp chat log for one, is a txt file. while in no way is a secure file. as all you may know, you can open it up with notepad and edit it however you like and it looks just the same. its just text. second, nothing is really in context. its just bits and pieces put together. im not saying theres no weight to anything he has said but as jei pointed out also, there isnt really any reason for anyone to believe him either.

third, knowing how many threads go up about gms only love jp, gms hate na, gms dont do shit, gms are robots, gms are cactii, gms hate you, etc etc so and so forth, how many of them are really true? do we even know? ive read plenty of 'gm suck' threads and many of them are so pointless. you have 1 player, most likely did something that the reader doesnt know about, then when you throw them into jail, they magically lose 20 years of maturity and act like asses. egg the gm on, play the whole he said she said game and you see the gm losing patience and showing their irritiabilty. then THOSE are the SS we see. omgosh look at the gm! hes picking on the poor little player. i'm not sure if any of you have to deal with customers/clients in any way shape or form, but dealing with someone that thinks YOU owe them the world+1 just for the mere fact they pay some measely $15-18 a month is frustrating and gets old very fast. example: ever talk to your IT guy at work? ever wonder why most of them hate talking to you? its really not because theyre assholes, its because they have to deal with inconsiderate ingrates at work that complain and blame them about everything. I'm sure lots of them gms feel this way after getting a few bad calls a night. it wears them down. so dont be so quick to stone V a gm to death just because he gives you some attitude or lays it down for you. its their job.

fourth, as far as having a reason to lie as taskmage points out. does anyone need a reason to lie? isnt boredom more than enough? do you read half the reason why people do stupid things? people dont need reasons to fabricate things. i dont think thats even a valid point of defense given the world as it is today. i always tell my friends, never underestimate someone else's stupidity (not directing it at the op, just saying generally). it'll get you every time.

[TheGrandMom]

i think its basically based on the way this was originally posted. lots of editing as tgm pointed out, lots of fishy 'facts'. the temp chat log for one, is a txt file. while in no way is a secure file. as all you may know, you can open it up with notepad and edit it however you like and it looks just the same. its just text. second, nothing is really in context. its just bits and pieces put together. im not saying theres no weight to anything he has said but as jei pointed out also, there isnt really any reason for anyone to believe him either.

third, knowing how many threads go up about gms only love jp, gms hate na, gms dont do shit, gms are robots, gms are cactii, gms hate you, etc etc so and so forth, how many of them are really true? do we even know? ive read plenty of 'gm suck' threads and many of them are so pointless. you have 1 player, most likely did something that the reader doesnt know about, then when you throw them into jail, they magically lose 20 years of maturity and act like asses. egg the gm on, play the whole he said she said game and you see the gm losing patience and showing their irritiabilty. then THOSE are the SS we see. omgosh look at the gm! hes picking on the poor little player. i'm not sure if any of you have to deal with customers/clients in any way shape or form, but dealing with someone that thinks YOU owe them the world+1 just for the mere fact they pay some measely $15-18 a month is frustrating and gets old very fast. example: ever talk to your IT guy at work? ever wonder why most of them hate talking to you? its really not because theyre assholes, its because they have to deal with inconsiderate ingrates at work that complain and blame them about everything. I'm sure lots of them gms feel this way after getting a few bad calls a night. it wears them down. so dont be so quick to stone V a gm to death just because he gives you some attitude or lays it down for you. its their job.

fourth, as far as having a reason to lie as taskmage points out. does anyone need a reason to lie? isnt boredom more than enough? do you read half the reason why people do stupid things? people dont need reasons to fabricate things. i dont think thats even a valid point of defense given the world as it is today. i always tell my friends, never underestimate someone else's stupidity (not directing it at the op, just saying generally). it'll get you every time.

Couldn't have said it better. /bow

To the OP, next time post after you've taken care of the issue and have the proof to prove it. Simple fact, people lie........and they lie a lot, so don't automatically expect everyone to think that your word is gold. Why should we?

[Intensity]

third, knowing how many threads go up about gms only love jp, gms hate na, gms dont do shit, gms are robots, gms are cactii, gms hate you, etc etc so and so forth.

Okay, which one of you bastards let the cat outta the bag?

[Omni]

damn, someone noticed. i thought i slipped that one past everyone. sorry, the truth is out.

[Blood Red Poet]

SE doesn't own these GMs. These GMs are ran by SOE, the people behind Everquest. GM =/= SE. Don't blame them again.

[AKosygin]

Something suppositely insightful:

Whether the GM really did what they do or the player is lying, only the upper management of a GM Team will know. Remember that behind every GM character, there sits a human, just like the player character. Both sides are capable of lying. However, which has more incentive to lie always fall on the player's side because the player stands to lose their account, while a GM stands to lose their job. So because of this difference, I tend to believe a GM more.

However, given the mountain of screenshots, I am led to believe the player just a tad more as the information adds up and that I understand there are cases in which there are GM misbehavior. If given the screenshots provided, the GM did abuse their power, it would likely result in immediate termination without a second chance. While I tend not to believe the screenshot in this thread where the GM said that "he owns the game" is true (I tend to disbelieve that as I would never imagine anyone working on a GM Team to have done it to that level), the apology tend to imply some wrong-doing and to give credit to the story, which the wording of the apology tend to present that the screenshot (of the apology) is geniune.


However, I would like to offer a word of caution, not just as an Administrator of this site or as someone with an understanding of GM operations, but as a fellow player: Take all that is said on the boards with a grain of salt. Because a player doesn't see everything that happened, a GM on the other hand can see both what the player has said and what the GM has done. I have seen situations were players think the GM did one thing, while the GM actually did something totally different that LOOKED like they did what the players think they did.


Furthermore, please keep in mind that a rotten apple is not representative of the whole batch. So I beg of you all to keep in mind that this situation is the result of one GM and does not apply to the GM Team as a whole.

Also, in regards to the Windower program, people keep forgetting that the point of the rule is to prevent others from using programs that take advantage of the game to make game play unfair. People must remember the SPIRIT of the rule as to WHY it was there. This is why the Windower is less of an issue for the FFXI GMs than some might think. But again, if you are doing something bad and they are forced to act, they might pull the rule on you.

Remember, Al Capone wasn't caught for murder or his mobster activites, he was imprisoned for TAX EVASION! So play nice, and they will look the other way. :thumbsup::P

[bikkebakke]

Remember, Al Capone wasn't caught for murder or his mobster activites, he was imprisoned for TAX EVASION! So play nice, and they will look the other way. :thumbsup::P


LOL, good point. I have to agree with your entire post... kinda makes me think you might be a gm :eek: LOL, jk

[Taskmage]

If anything, it seems you're almost ready to die defending the OP, which I can see your emotions are running high at this point. If that was the goal and intent of the OP, I see that in your case, he has done successfully well.No, no. You're maligning my position in the exact opposite light I cast yours in. I'm certainly not going to deny there are suspicious things about the story and the way it unfolded. Honestly, I believe there are some details he is withholding for whatever reason. But it seems to me that you're not giving the guy a fair shake at all and just assuming he has some malicious intent.

At any rate, the whole affair is over and done with now, and there's no real way to prove the case either way considering the GMs will not speak on the matter out of policy and any text or screenshots provided could just as easily be fabricated. I'm just going to assume that in the end everyone got what they desrved, becuase that is what sits well with me and there's no way to prove me wrong. ;p

[Intensity]

For some reason, against all laws of nature stating otherwise, everyone in the Thread seemed not to notice the "Theme" set by the OP. Don't you all know discussions aren't allowed to evolve into something other than what it originally started as?!?!?! Anarchists!!!

EDIT: Sorry, I'm in a mood today.

[Omniblast]

Remember, Al Capone wasn't caught for murder or his mobster activites, he was imprisoned for TAX EVASION! So play nice, and they will look the other way.

LOL, good point. I have to agree with your entire post... kinda makes me think you might be a gm :eek: LOL, jk

He's not a GM per say... he does work for a MMORPG company though... :p

[Taskmage]

all know discussions aren't allowed to evolve into something other than what it originally started asThis conflicts with the first law of message board thermodynamics, that is all threads inevitably degrade into entropy.

[Omniblast]

This conflicts with the first law of message board thermodynamics, that is all threads inevitably degrade into entropy.

Oh Oh Oh, can I envoke Godwin's law? Wait... no one's made a analogy or comparison with GM's and Hitler & the Nazi party...yet...

[Intensity]

So, a GM, a Nazi, and Hitlers Ghost walk into a bar....

[neighbortaru]

and the rest we will never know :rolleyes:
besides, the OP's issue has been resolved. 3rd pt app discussion has been split into a new thread. have fun.