Weapon skills worth investing in?

[Khidir]

My sword is 121, dagger is 88, and club 79. I haven't really picked up any nifty weaponskills for solo my ? is are there good weaponskills worth going with? If so can you list the modifiers on each ws? I'm tempted to do the sleep>enfeeble>nuke for solo exp:o

[Aeni]

The only WS worth getting for a RDM is Spirits Within, since it's full potential damage is easily obtained with a 300% TP on full hp, something that any RDM can do easily...

[ifandbut]

I would recomend working on both your dagger and sword skill. Get a skill up party around your level and kill things that would have been EM or higher at the level that your skill is at. Weapon skills are not that great use in standarad pt setups, but when you get to 75 alot of options open up. My thief friend and I can duo the dhamals in Bibiki for about 3k xp a hour. And at that level you can have Savage Blade whitch is great at even 100% TP.

[Jei]

/war /drk /pld you get to use vorpal blade @ sword skill 200 I think. Altho I don't use these sub jobs that often. And when I do use /drk, it will be for stun not for WS. It's cool to use for fun anyway.
level 71-72 you can learn eviscaration dagger quest WS
level 74 you can learn savage blade.

I only get to use eviscaration when helping frriends breaking their weapon. Because it can open distortion (evis > viper for example)
when farming with /thf I only use savage blade. It's a better version of fast blade kinda...

some say dagger helps solo elemental mobs with low delay+en+MP draining WS. I like to just use burning blade on them however. double attack from joyuse <3

[Khidir]

Im trying to have an rl friend lv war for double attack when im not playing so i can solo skill up faster. Is the double attack rate better than joyeuse's? Then enhancing sword would be stronger if it was

I plan to solo skill up to 150 or so then i can hit steel shells or was it robber crabs at Boyahda.

What about Circle blade and Cyclone? I know aoe ws have to be really strong right?

I appreciate the info guys. I am so tired of getting powerful ws that i can't use ; ;

[Jei]

circle blade is weak. cyclone is a lot stronger.

joyuse double hit rate is around 40-50% I think... it comes out really often. Haven't tried /war yet... now that I think about it, I always want to test /war for like over a year now ^^;;

[bikkebakke]

Jei, step away from your fishing pole and go perform the test for us! I will expect the answer by morning... >.>

[Armando]

Base Double Attack rate is 10%, both on WAR main and sub. It won't stack with the weapon proc (unless you're using Virtue Stone weapons) though so the overall total is less. If Joyeuse procs 50% of the time and DA procs 10%, the total would be 55% unless I did the math wrong, since DA would only be able to proc on half of the swings. That's just what the numbers are telling me, though, I WISH I had a Joyeuse, let alone be high enough to use one XD It'd be nice if someone tested for the exact proc rate on Joyeuse though *wink wink, nudge nudge*

[Icemage]

I'm pretty sure Joyeuse is at or close to 50%, as Jei mentioned. I have one, and it kicks in almost exactly half the time. Not an empirical test to be sure, enough to prove to me that it's definitely the best DPS weapon for red mages.


Icemage

[Khidir]

well on the subject of weapons is enhancing sword worth getting if there is the all powerful joyeuse? I mean yes you could DW both but if you use G. shield is one combo better than the other?

what is good endgame dagger as well?

[Jei]

enhancing sword is for show. that's my take. not worth at all unless you're really rich and want it for the sake of collection.

[mpa]

I've duoed with a friend who has enhancing, and joy outparses it. I think Enhancing sword has some value, however, against mobs that you don't want to give a ton of TP to. Think Sewer Syrup, those types of mobs.

In response to the OP, the only WS's I used when soloing are Burning Blade, Spirits, and soon Savage Blade.

[Khidir]

So Genbu's and Joyeuse all the way? or a dagger to offhand?

[mpa]

It really depends on what you're fighting. If you're soloing EP's, however, then use Genbu's at all times unless that dagger is a Thief's Knife.. :)

[Altae]

enhancing sword is for show. that's my take. not worth at all unless you're really rich and want it for the sake of collection.

Just find a RDM buddy, or form a group of RDMs, and go take down Bune! I can't believe how "easy" it can be to fight Bune with just RDMs. But no one usually has the time and most people want to fight such NMs as alliances for faster kill. And to sell the item for money.

After watching that Avesta video, I've been poisoned with the assumption that what 1 RDM can do solo, 6 RDMs can easily do in half the time.

And I don't think that particular sword is for show. It looks and sounds rather investment worthy. With En-spells being reapplied constantly, and some magic accuracy merits, I would be inseperable with it if I ever got one. But if you are rich and can afford to buy a Enhancing Sword, why not invest into getting Excalibur? 43 Base damage weapon with it's own WS and fairly quick atk speed.

And the Joyeuse double attack rate is indeed higher than WAR's ability. I subbed my 36WAR for eldieme one time, double attack occured so very rarely. It seems to kick in alot when my main job is WAR, but as sj WAR, I think there may be some hidden reduction to the ability.

And invest into weapon skills, yes. Because, when your RDM finally hits 75, or whatever level you cease to level it beyond, you'll find that soloing solely on magic nukes is going to be redundantly boring. Nuke, sleep, rest, refresh maintenance, keeping stoneskin and phalanx up...... worrying about how much time there is left until your buffs wear off, BORING. It's even more boring than being in a EXP PT as a refresh dispenser.

[Aeni]

Just find a RDM buddy, or form a group of RDMs, and go take down Bune! I can't believe how "easy" it can be to fight Bune with just RDMs. But no one usually has the time and most people want to fight such NMs as alliances for faster kill. And to sell the item for money.

Only works when you don't have multiple gil seller groups and assh*le NA HNMLS crashing camps and causing drama.

[Gobo]

I vary between sword and dagger on RDM depending on the level of the mob. TW->EP i'll just use Dagger and pentapoke it to death. DC->EM Sword all the way, most daggers just become TP feeders with RDM. T+ Screw melee, nuke it to death XD.

Dagger wise: Garuda works nicely for a long time. Hornetneddle at mid lvls is nice with Haste for fast attacking+Endamage; its also a great skill up PT dagger.

Swords: Joy-toy is a great one. If you're /nin, Disscetor is good once you unlock the latient effect. If you can get one, Justice Sword with Virtue stone in throwing slot is more or less a joy-toy without the piercing damage property. E. Sword is nice, but its something that has become more trouble than its worth to get on most servers. Unless your on a server like Bismarck where Drama is extremely rare and gil sellers lose to KA, it really isnt worth it.

The 2 strongest Weapons in each catagory that RDM can use are Excaliber and Mandau. Being attacking by a RDM with Excaliber, I can say first hand it hurts...a lot. I'll get back to you in a few months when the RDM in my LS finishes her dagger (Dynamis Dagger atm). Stat wise Excaliber has a nice Addtional effect(Damage proportial to HP, 250ish damage to me from a full HP elvaan RDM) and the extra effect from the WS can be usefull (stong Regen for a time) Mandaus additional effect can be risky when soloing (a strong Poison) but its extra effect from the WS is nice (+Crit hit%). It takes ~1-2 years to get these weapons and a lot will say the time/gil vs the reward isn't worth it.

[WishMaster3K]

Joyeuse is best, imo, in terms of Ease-of availability and obtaining power. 21-24 hour NM that drops 100% and if you have a dialect going with the ppl who camp it in oposition to you, you can get it after a few days of hard work. My LS had monopoly on Charby for 2 weeks and we got everyone who wanted Joyeuse one.

Savage Blade is by and large, better than Fast Blade, and I'd dare to say it's worth the long-ass and stupid-ass quest to get it. I'm working on Evisceration, but now with me being able to bust out SBs faster than ever, the Joyeuse is unparallelled.

One sword that I think is underrated is the Martial Analace, and I'd love to get my hands on that.

[Aeni]

The 2 strongest Weapons in each catagory that RDM can use are Excaliber and Mandau. Being attacking by a RDM with Excaliber, I can say first hand it hurts...a lot. I'll get back to you in a few months when the RDM in my LS finishes her dagger (Dynamis Dagger atm). Stat wise Excaliber has a nice Addtional effect(Damage proportial to HP, 250ish damage to me from a full HP elvaan RDM) and the extra effect from the WS can be usefull (stong Regen for a time) Mandaus additional effect can be risky when soloing (a strong Poison) but its extra effect from the WS is nice (+Crit hit%). It takes ~1-2 years to get these weapons and a lot will say the time/gil vs the reward isn't worth it.

I think Discordian on Middie (RDM) has his L.5 one hand sword. Someone drag him in here quick to get some feedback and first hand account! Also, I always thought the WSs could only be used in Dynamis. This is the second time someone mentions WS outside of Dynamis, in Ballista no less!?!

[Gobo]

I think Discordian on Middie (RDM) has his L.5 one hand sword. Someone drag him in here quick to get some feedback and first hand account! Also, I always thought the WSs could only be used in Dynamis. This is the second time someone mentions WS outside of Dynamis, in Ballista no less!?!

Off-Topic:
Actually it was Breener, but thats beside the point. Final Stage Relic weapons let you use the WS anywhere and everywhere. Kikoku was just finished on Bismarck, making that 4 on our server, 3 of which are NA and all in the same LS (Horn, Shield, Katana)

[WishMaster3K]

L4 is only whilest inside Dynamis. And Discordian has been playing the game since it's damn inception. . .

I think there isnt anything he doesnt know, but he hardly posts on DiV anymore ;; He sticks to those other Forums.

WHY DISCORDIAN!!!?!?!?!? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POR QUE!!!!!!!!!!

/emo

[Khidir]

I'm not going to stress over bits of data like the relic weapons i can be effective as it is with easier to obtain items its like the nq and hq items why pay 50-100% more on an slightly increased item than sticking with the default if you have the money more power to you but if you don't well hell why?

Lol Joy toy= nq price is free Exc=hq price is 900m

/end rant