Reason Why I Dont Want To Import...

[Decius]

i dont want to import because if i do, its already close to the release of the expansion and i would wanna get that too. and when ffxi comes to NA without the expansion, then it wouldnt be as fun because u would be missing out on all the special things that were in the expansion that u cant do until the expansion comes to NA...so thats why i dont wanna import

my 2 gil

[ChronoMoose]

from what I know, you'd be too low a level to enjoy the expansion if u just got the game ;)

I was gonna import... but skool has really tied me down this year. This summer and next semester (fall) I'll be able to play the game practically whenever I want:thumbsup:

[Shadowed]

Many a rumor state that NA release may come with expansion. I can be considered a starter, because I brought up the topic, after thinking about it, and stated that it would be, "Convienient" if it were made that way (at the Squaresoft Playonline site [before the merger {My name is IAMRISKY there}])

Maybe, possibly, but it's possible the other way....

[Decius]

i hate the usa playonline site, it needs to be updated and the people on the msg board still talk about how ffxi might not come to NA and stuff lol (well that was when i went there, i dunno bout now)...n on topic, if the expansion wasnt coming out for awhile and ffxi wasnt comin out this year, i would import but its coming in about a week or 2 and ffxi is comin to na for sure this year

[Fukkatsu]

no offense to anyone who imports... but i thought it over.. and realized.. its st00pid. >_< (Dont hurt me..) :P

It all depends on your reasons. If you are just impatient, then yes, it is a stupid choice. For someone who actually knows a bit of Japanese, like me, it made it a bit of a learning experience and helped expand my vocabulary a bit. And as I do recall, you were highly considering importing at one point in time. :p

[Decius]

yah i remember that lol

[technic]

Woohoo!

-Triton

[Awntawn]

Yes that's nice... did we ask?

j/k :p

It's nicer to play here... We dun have "133t d3wdz" screwing up the element of the game... Chances are I'm staying here even when NA comes out. Besides, I've spent too much time and effort here already.

[Etra]

Originally posted by Awntawn
Yes that's nice... did we ask?

j/k :p

It's nicer to play here... We dun have "133t d3wdz" screwing up the element of the game... Chances are I'm staying here even when NA comes out. Besides, I've spent too much time and effort here already.

lol, I know how you feel. I hate when people talk like that in games. But dont you think it would be much more fun to be playing a game in your language? ^^

[Huck]

How do we know there aren't people talking like that in japan?
To me (who can't read japanese) it looks just about as "133t d3wdz" as there can be

[Kiddish]

ugh....stereotyping of the english gaming population....again. Even if everyone did talk like that, I don't know about you, but I'd way rather be standing next to someone speaking in 1337 than japanese, at least you can understand the 1337-speak.

I still find it hilarious that people have actually imported in the past couple of weeks. Why? Playing a game you probably don't understand, 2 years behind, when the english version is less than a year away.

[ChronoMoose]

I still find it hilarious that people have actually imported in the past couple of weeks. Why? Playing a game you probably don't understand, 2 years behind, when the english version is less than a year away. I agree.

[Fox Excalibur]

I for one am relatively certain the NA expansion will come out with the NA release of the game. if not, i know it would only be like 1 or 2 months behind.

hmmm as for importing, yeah its just prefrance, to do so now, is kinda late in the game, i would like to, but it would be much more econimically sound to wait. Plus i think i will have alot more fun understanding what people say and able to read the menues without having to go to another source.

ack im not saying anything against importing, by all means if you want to, go for it. I am still thinking about it myself, if i come across the money i probably would, but i dont think i will, and i wanna put that money twards a new processor for when it does come to NA.

[Fukkatsu]

People would be fools if they imported now. Since Square Enix announced open beta soon. That just shows it is only mere months from coming state side

[Shadowed]

Well, you never know, maybe they're trying to teach themselves Japanese? It'd be a good source, being since you'd have fun doing it, as well. It'd be every Japanese teacher's dream.

[Fox Excalibur]

studying abroad is also fun ;)

....not that i am.....but one day.....

Yeah its always good to immerse yourself in a language to learn it. FFXI still wont teach you a whole lot, especially if you dont know your basics youll just be dead lost.

Yeah importing now would not seem like a good idea. Though we dont know when thier public beta will start :dead: and for those who might not get into the beta, they may want to import it. I dont think well see the official release for FFXI till Fall-Winter of this year.

[Django]

I've taken the non-importing path the whole course. Before FFXI, during FFXI, up till now.

I wavered a bit a few months ago....But alas.

[Awntawn]

I understand japanese, so i could stay here it would all be the same.

Yes, I know all about the stereotyping of english gamers... I argue about it with the guys in the LS all the time. The conclusion reached was this: etiquette differences. It's not that we're worse than them or anything, it's just the way that we were raised that were different. If you join a group, you'd be like "hey sup guys." or "yo," and in the extreme case, "w4ssuP m4 h0mI3Z~?!" In the JP version, you get what's translated to "Pleased to meet you" without fail, every single time. When someone dies, everyone apologizes and the dead guy almost always says "It's no problem," or doesn't say anything at all. This is where the fine line becomes not so fine.

People are saying that American gamers will yell and scream and cuss out the rest of the team for letting them die. Also, there is a gambling system created by players based entirely on trust, something that would not be possible in the NA version due to scams. They have an honest basis of judgement for all of this... See: UO, AC, EQ. I, for one, believe that it's the game engine and how it's structured towards teamwork. There is only one of each name per server, and you have to pay money for another character (unless you want to delete your main, which is stupid...). They can detect your handle name through your character name (your account, basically) and take actions to make everyone aware of what you do. Now unless you're super-rich and are extremely bored with sole intent of screwing people over... but there are people like this. People who buy numerous UO accounts to play scams on trading. This type of person has yet to appear on the Japanese version of FFXI. We really don't know how the NA gamers will respond to the system, so I'm giving them a chance. From the attitudes of some people that I read on the boards, however, I can tell you it's not looking that great. :(

[Dwimordene]

I've been waiting all this time, why not wait a few months longer? :biggrin:

Awntawn:
I agree with your feelings towards NA or American players.. they can indeed be malicious, rude and false. But on the other hand, stereotypes are quite bad.. and I for one would be offended if someone called me a rude american. I am nothing but civil with everyone. I am well-mannered and helpful in game. In fact, I love helping people out all the time. :thumbsup: If I died in PT I wouldn't think it was a big deal (I'd maybe be a little sad ;) ). Even though EQOA was a crappy game, I met many many great players on there.

Scamming in games is indeed a huge problem. It makes me sad that people behave like this. I can't understand why people can't play the game, enjoy it and respect all other playing as well. Why can't they just accept the rules and play fairly like everyone else? I for one, love the idea of cooperative play and no PvP. Hopefully there won't be a problem with item distribution, though.. that's where I see arguments could arise. Other than that, I'm sure I will thoroughly enjoy the game. If anyone out there starts acting stupid, I'm sure they'll learn real fast it isn't tolerated. :biggrin:

[dbeeo]

Originally posted by Etra


lol, I know how you feel. I hate when people talk like that in games. But dont you think it would be much more fun to be playing a game in your language? ^^


Awantawn native language is english?? I though is other....

[Anubis87]

I wonder I'm pretty wealthy and thinking about import XI and Expansion JP vers and later NA or should I wait for NA?

[Tessius]

Originally posted by Kiddish

I still find it hilarious that people have actually imported in the past couple of weeks. Why? Playing a game you probably don't understand, 2 years behind, when the english version is less than a year away.

because everyone has its reasons. Im not enough of a ff fanboy
to keep playing when other MMORPGS like SWG or EQ2 or WoW
come out. So i would quit anyway...why wait then?

Its such an individual topic you cant say it makes sense or not because thats something everyone has to decide for themselves. For me as long someone keeps translating quests from japanese to english it doesent matter if its NA or not
to be honest i rather play the original version than then localized one.

After years in MMORPGS you know that localized version just dont work...at least the first months after release. And after that you still might get late patches expansions etc. If this is no argument to you and you dont care about stability and bugs in your games
then you just can live your final fantasy :P

[Tsuko]

I have a slight feeling the game won't go too great in the US, and a bias into updating the Japanese version will be created.

[mechabomber]

I really hope not but the sad thing is, that's probably what'll end up happening. It's just because we have so many annoying 13 year old's running around going "dis game sux cuz it online only"

[Anubis87]

We got such here in EU too. People says "You dumbass a FF should be offline a FF online suxx!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Cedric-Archaon]

I know shit about the Japanese language besides a few phrases and a handful of words. This game is still better than any other game that I have played, and playing with the set of importers that I do makes every time I log on an enjoyable experience.

I've had the import game since sept/october, and I wouldn't switch to the US version when it comes out even if someone payed me. It's a totally different mindset of the playerbase on this game, the US game will be totally different. Don't bullshit saying OMG what a stereotype, you all know it's fucking true. There may be 5% of the US version who are nice, but the majority will be egotistical bastards who ruin the game for everyone else.

To Celestial, you haven't played the import version, and for that you have no right to say anything about it. Have fun sitting at your computer twiddling your thumbs until the US version comes out, I'll have fun playing FFXI right now. Look! Jeuno AH. I think I might just go walk around and play. Yes, I'm having fun, thank you.

[Fukkatsu]

^^^

There is one of your stereotypical Americans. :biggrin: Yes, they are very arrogant.

[Huck]

I don't think 95% of us being assholes will ruin the game.
The people who play the game make it what it is. It's about meeting people and blahblah.
Yes, The NA version will be different from the japanese version in that there may be more assholes. But dosn't that vary server to server?

How do people "scam"? i haven't played UO so i don't know what everyone is eluding to.

Everyone says how polite and kind the japanese players are. You're only talking about the ones who accept you into a party, not the ones who say "... American, I'll be damned if i invite him"
I've heard of people saying they've been kicked out of parties for speaking english... is that part of the kindness as well?

No offense to any honest importer, but i think a lot of you have some major sticks up your asses.
things like "Shut up, newb, you don't know because you haven't played!"
"What, you're only a level 17 warrior?? you shouldn't speak about the game, you're not skill"
"North americans are so damn conceited, that's why i'll play on japanese servers, because i'm more mature than them, and a better person."

Lets face it, the only reason 95% of the US FFXI players being assholes is the other 5% is going to stay with their imported charectors. We're ALL assholes, You, me, and even the kid next door.

Kinda ranting... but hey, i'm ignorant

[Dwimordene]

I agree with Fukkatsu. You just made yourself look like a total hypocrite there, Cedric. LOL. You talk about Americans being jerks, then you sit there and insult Celestial whilst taunting him with the fact you are playing the game. You represent the kind of people I don't want to play with.

FIRST OF ALL.. 95% percent of Americans are not assholes. That is VERY stereotypical. I am quite offended by that. There are many good players out there. Yes, there will be the occasional idiot running around shouting "How do I do this?" or "Where do I get that?" or even running up to you expecting to get healed by just standing there like a moron (I find that extremely rude).

This is not a PvP game.. I don't see how a few people could ruin it. The only problems I see arise in item distribution. No one can kill you or take your stuff..

I don't care if people import. That's their choice, and it's their money. I for one, think it's rude to impose on people in Japan already playing.. but that's just me.

Wouldn't you like to know what the NPCs are saying? Wouldn't you like to be able to read everything without looking up a translation? Don't you think it would be easier and far more enjoyable?

I do.

[Janus Zeal]

I agree with StarvingArtist on this one, those that be left playing because they chose to pay the fees and all will surely be more interested (and I expect more mature as well) as players.

But I must also consider those whose parents would buy them anything and that are playing just because "they have it for free". Amongst the list of those who usually (I don't want to generalize on this) are immature, I would also add power players. By definition a power players is not playing to enjoy the game, but to be the best and only that, that kind of player won't care about anyone besides his own selfish person and will be rude to a lot of people. I get that from my personal experience.

Those, to my knowledge, don't represent 95% of North Americans players, much less than that, but they really are annoying and can ruin the gaming experience of others.

[vagtark]

wow i think i am the only one here that wont let thoes kind of things bother me. I dont care if i saw a person running around screaming his head off. I will prob just stand there looking at him and walk alway. I dont know how thoes littel things can bother my gaming experience.

[Fox Excalibur]

lol im with you vagtark, really in the MMORPGs ive played when i see people do taht, its usually pretty funny. Even if it does take away from the RP expericance its humorus. I dont know, think of it as thier character.

[{Pug}]

I'm not importing because all my friends are waiting for US release. However, if would've known it was gonna take THIS long to get the game, I would've imported back in May.

[Angler]

I've had plenty of experience in online games - in all sorts of languages. Never played something Korean, but I've played English, French and Japanese MMORPGs before playing FFXI.

Language barrier is a huge factor. If you can't communicate with your party members, how do you expect to get anything done in the party? There are a few phrases that you should know before stepping into FFXI: such as, "Hello", "Goodbye", "Thank you", "Where is (XX)?", "Would you like help?", and don't forget "Please?". With that aside, though...

The way that I see it is that the smaller the community, the better for everyone inside that community - there'll be people who know who everyone is simply by looking at their character - and have been in a party with everyone in the community at least once during their 4 or 5 year time inside the game. The thing is, everyone knows everyone. It gives a real sense of belonging to a society where your decisions matter.

It doesn't matter what language the game is in in these smaller communities. The problem is that when your community starts to hit more than 2,000 people, the unavoidable "Internet society" thing starts to set into the game. At this point, people will do ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER to gain the upper-hand on their opponent. This usually means scamming, cheating, threats, or simply unfair behaviour.

In all of the games that I've played in English, this has happened. Here's a prime example of a couple of games that have communities on either end of the spectrum - Nexus:TK (http://www.nexustk.com) being the smaller, more friendly community, and EverQuest (http://www.everquest.com) being the larger, more filled-with-morons society.

The thing is simply that this transformation never happened in any of the Japanese language games I've played. Using another example, Kaze (http://www.nexon.co.jp/kaze) being the smaller, friendly community, and Final Fantasy XI (http://www.playonline.com/ff11) being the larger, still friendly community.

Final Fantasy XI will undoubtedly have a gigantic community with the US release. There's no avoiding it. However, I believe that (from what I've seen) the Japanese Final Fantasy XI community will probably stay the same as it is, while the North American FFXI community will be something more like EverQuest's.

There are only a few reasons as to why the community becomes so diminished so fast in a large-scale North American MMORPG - there's a large percentage of players who think they can do anything they want and no matter what they do, no one can do anything to them. I'm talking about things like making death threats to someone that just stole your kill - since you don't KNOW the person on the other end, you're just going to threaten them with their life - giving you the nice ego boost.

It's just a simple fact - the Internet only amplifies anger. Well, in North America, at least... and that's why I'll be sticking with the Japanese version of FFXI.

Angler

[penpen]

oh you played NexusTK too? (played the beta + some commercial)

but anyways... ive been in games with small communities that were worst than anything ive seen... (mostly cause there was pvp >_>;;) such as lineage alpha test... it was a korea vs usa war ground.. and red moon (beta), people would kill steal from you, yell at you that you kill stole from them then pk you.

Ive personally had no problems with people in UO or EQ or DAoC (other than the totally stupid pvp system in UO at the time I played where people just waited outside of towns or along roads to ambush you to steal your stuff >_>, or the tag team pick pocketing in towns).

I think game mechanics have a lot to do with how people act in a game. There will always a % of the population who are bastards in a game with a high population.

[Hopkins]

Never ceases to amuse me seeing "LIGHT KNIGHTS!!!" from Magestic who don't even own the game ranting then some "DARK LORD!!" who does own it start flaming people from their own LS.

*Applause* Please continue the show!

Hey at least you got pretty sigs eh ;)

[Lavian]

I see 'Import FFXI Player' on all sortsa people, so I assume that meens they live in America and are playing the Japanese version.. If so, what does that make me? I'm living in Japan playing the Japanese version u.u;; Which brings me to the subject, why I own the Japanese version of it, because I live in JAPAN :p The lag between Japan to america is unbearable on a 56K modem, that's why I have up DAoC and em not playing ShadowBane. Even Ragnarok in american is a stretch for my craptastic modem... Sure, I still can't read japanese worth anything, but I'm still having alot of fun, once I learn more I plan to play more japanese games ^_^ It's alot of fun. Irreguardless, half the reason was I got tired of waiting for FFXI to come out in america, that's so BS, it's been over a year since it came out here, and it's still not in american, square so dropped the ball on this one :p

[Balgas]

You make me laugh Angler! =D

Saying that Nexus had a nice community, well part of it was true, everybody did know each other, but there were plenty of mean people who would ruin it for all! Like uh, TSWulf, Worldwalker, Audi, etc. etc etc.

Yeah sure you met tons of nice people but if you happened to cross paths with someone you didn't like then all hell would break loose, do you not remember the huge flame wars on the community board?

Just because you have a smaller community and you all know each other doesn't mean it's going to be better, more fun experience.

As someone stated before, I'm sure after the first few months of FFXI all the bad apples will leave and those who are really interested in working together will stay for a long time. ^_^

[Angler]

Mmm... you are right about saying that there are the few who are extremely arrogant and seem to think that their opinion is what everyone else's opinion is. However... that's the only problem. The majority of the rest of the community is much better than what I experienced with EQ...

Angler

[Lady Kelenae]

Originally posted by Hopkins
Never ceases to amuse me seeing "LIGHT KNIGHTS!!!" from Magestic who don't even own the game ranting then some "DARK LORD!!" who does own it start flaming people from their own LS.

*Applause* Please continue the show!

Hey at least you got pretty sigs eh ;)

Huh???....

[Dwimordene]

I'm just getting tired of seeing a bunch of people arguing about the same thing over and over and over again...

*sighs*

[saygt]

For those of you who don't enjoy hostility and annoying teenagers, Japanese mmos are better suited for you as compared to NA. This is a generalization but it's true. The culture emphasizes more manners and respect towards others. The annoying teenager kids in Japan are usually doing other things, not playing an mmorpg.

[SeeD Soldier]

MMORPG IN GENERAL RANT


Hmm on almost all of these topics I've seen a lot of anti-american online players. The fact is there is assholes in all countries its just to be an asshole in japan is much milder then in america. Its just a society thing. Also the amount of assholes in a game always depends on the game. In UO there were tons of assholes and you know why because the game let you be an asshole. In UO there was pking, stealing, and millions of bugs to exploit and because these things existed people exploited them. This can also be highly seen in PSO with duping it just got out of control because it was so easy to do. Now an example against this was DAOC. I think they designed this game very well because they fixed all the problems that create asshole gamers. First on object of PvP there was none and for the people who liked to fight others they allowed RvR (realm vs realm) where they allowed people from other realms to duke it out on the frontier for territory and relics. This allowed a person to be able to avoid or go right to PvP. Also in it I never heard about one bug in that game which people could exploit and the exp system was brilliant was you were rewarded by how hard the monster was (just like FFXI) and how much you hurt it so if someone just ran in and did the final blow he would get crap exp and you would get most. Okay I'm done with this rant now onto FFXI.

US FFXI RANT

Now onto the subject of specificially FFXI in US. I think in the US we will have a group of mainly nice players and just as many assholes as there are in the Japanese servers. I think this will happen because of many things will filter out the random idiot.

1. Many if not all the players will be prior FF fans meaning you will have a high RPG fan basis and not just guy who are their to hit on all the female character and show off their big sword.
2. The no pvp and no stealing skills (against players at least) will keep down the asshol factor of guys who just kill every newbie they see and steal every rare item they can get their hands on (I did have a fun time as a GM Thief in UO but that is a different story).
3. The cost to get this game and set everything up will keep out anyone who is there just to be annoying and not their for the RPG experience.

Thats all I can think about off the top of my head. The only assholes I think that will be in large numbers are the power players. Now don't get me wrong actually many power players are nice even though they are just trying to get exp but hey there is always a lot of these in any MMORPG. Hell even if the asshole problem gets bad (which I don't think it will) you'll probably just talk to a close group of friends on a link shell which is usually asshole free because I know in all the MMORPG's I played I was most of the time partied with the same people and usually talked to them mose of the time.

[saygt]

3. The cost to get this game and set everything up will keep out anyone who is there just to be annoying and not their for the RPG experience.

are you talking about the ps2 version?

[Skyrik]

Interesting rant SeeD Soldier. But please tone down your use of "asshole" ><. Only annoying n00bs repeatedly curse with disregard.
1. Many if not all the players will be prior FF fans meaning you will have a high RPG fan basis and not just guy who are their to hit on all the female character and show off their big sword.
I somewhat disagree on this point. That is too much of an optimistic thinking. There are many MMORPG players who quality as "assholes" and will probably play FFXI just because it's online and not cuz of the title. Just check on the Gamefaqs boards :p (and yes I've spent a huge amout of time of that place.)
2. The no pvp and no stealing skills (against players at least) will keep down the asshol factor of guys who just kill every newbie they see and steal every rare item they can get their hands on (I did have a fun time as a GM Thief in UO but that is a different story).
Hmmm this one I'll give to you. I guess that is Square's intention to keep this game as tension free as possible.
3. The cost to get this game and set everything up will keep out anyone who is there just to be annoying and not their for the RPG experience.
Two words.... Whiny brats.
I don't think "assholes" will even survive to make it on the higher levels. Either they couldn't handle the work and amount of dedication for the game, they just couldn't get a party due to their bad attitude or their grades are failing and parents finally tell them to stop.

[SeeD Soldier]

HEHE sorry with the use of asshole just wanted to stay on the constant on what everyone is calling US players :) . Well with the points I used many of them of course are not going to apply to everyon but just broad.

I somewhat disagree on this point. That is too much of an optimistic thinking. There are many MMORPG players who quality as "assholes" and will probably play FFXI just because it's online and not cuz of the title. Just check on the Gamefaqs boards (and yes I've spent a huge amout of time of that place.)

Well of course there is gonna be them but the fact that this is a Final Fantasy and not just a random title that will mean that there will be a big FF fan base and then of course the random guys who are not FF fan boys and of course with them will comes some "assholes" but of course not all.

Two words.... Whiny brats.
I don't think "assholes" will even survive to make it on the higher levels. Either they couldn't handle the work and amount of dedication for the game, they just couldn't get a party due to their bad attitude or their grades are failing and parents finally tell them to stop.

Well thats kind of the point I was getting at. If the person goes through the costs and all the setting up he most likely is there to play and not sit there at lvl 1 and just yell. If the cost doesn't get him then like you said the toughness of leveling will eliminate them but then once again there are exceptions and hell there probably are so called "assholes" in the japanese servers its just that most importers don't know they are being aholes without there total mastery of japanese just like how a japanese person with minimal english experience wouldn't know what an ahole is saying that well.

[Kellon]

Yeah, I'm also getting a little tired of the American stereotype. I've played Dark Age of Camelot for around a year and a half. It would only take me one hand to count the number of people I've had any real problem with in a group, and in those cases I just don't group with those people anymore. For the most part people are friendly, they do apologize when someone in the group dies, I've seen plenty of people sacrifice themselves to give people they've never even grouped with before time to get away, I've never seen a single person speek in 1337 unless it was as a joke, and a lot of people are very generous. I've never had anybody try to scam me, or train mobs into me either.

[Fox Excalibur]

AC and AC2, I never had a problem with people, in fact people would randomly just give you stuff sometimes. Those were great communities that banded together.

[vagtark]

o well i am just going to go to a server where there wont be any stupid people. Cuz all the stupid people will go to the server where there will be a lot of players. anyone what to join me lol:)

[Janus Zeal]

So are you aiming to the lowest population server?
Sounds interesting enough, I'll give it some thought

[SeeD Soldier]

I don't know about you but when the English game comes out and they just add servers and let us join any server I'm going to Ragnarok (this is of course if they do this and no one knows yet). It would be cool if they add a translation system where you say preset words and to them it appears in Japanese and when they use it it appears to you in English. PSO used this and it worked very well so well that I usually hung around the Japanese servers and had some fun conversations with using preset words and lots of smiley faces :) .

[vagtark]

yep, i will be playing on a less populated server. I just dont know which servers will have the most population and the least population. i know that a lot of smart players will be playing on the least populated severs. Good for me cuz i will be abel to buy stuff cheap.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: i hope:(

[Fox Excalibur]

um....your all forgetting something....you dont pick your server, its random, even for us US people, you automatically get assigned to the least populated server (or one of the least), so that there are no underpopulated servers and they all balance out.

[Cedric-Archaon]

Originally posted by Fukkatsu
^^^

There is one of your stereotypical Americans. :biggrin: Yes, they are very arrogant.

Arrogant how, because I defend my point? This person has no clue about what he is talking about. He calls people stupid for importing and somehow I have no right to defend myself?

Originally posted by Dwimordene
I agree with Fukkatsu. You just made yourself look like a total hypocrite there, Cedric. LOL. You talk about Americans being jerks, then you sit there and insult Celestial whilst taunting him with the fact you are playing the game. You represent the kind of people I don't want to play with.

A. He had it coming, read his post.
B. Stop mirroring the exact opinion of your butt buddies in the non-existant "Majestic" linkshell.
C. Don't tell me about who I represent, you have not PT'd with me, or anyone for that matter.

Originally posted by Dwimordene
FIRST OF ALL.. 95% percent of Americans are not assholes. That is VERY stereotypical. I am quite offended by that. There are many good players out there. Yes, there will be the occasional idiot running around shouting "How do I do this?" or "Where do I get that?" or even running up to you expecting to get healed by just standing there like a moron (I find that extremely rude).

95% of the people who play online games are. Did you play EQ, did you play Diablo 2?

Originally posted by Dwimordene
This is not a PvP game.. I don't see how a few people could ruin it. The only problems I see arise in item distribution. No one can kill you or take your stuff..

If you're in a PT and someone dies because of something, I'd expect the reaction of most American gamers to start cursing, just like any other online game in the past. On the JP servers, people apologize even if they did nothing. PVP isn't the only way to piss people off or annoy them, there are PLENTY others.

Originally posted by Dwimordene
I don't care if people import. That's their choice, and it's their money. I for one, think it's rude to impose on people in Japan already playing.. but that's just me.

Impose what? You make no sense.

Originally posted by Dwimordene
Wouldn't you like to know what the NPCs are saying? Wouldn't you like to be able to read everything without looking up a translation? Don't you think it would be easier and far more enjoyable?

I do.

Or...I could attempt to learn another language, which is fun and a challenge in and of itself, and still understand the basic storyline. Missing out on a bunch of lines of nonsense conversation isn't that big of a deal.

[anavrin]

Originally posted by Huck
I don't think 95% of us being assholes will ruin the game.
o.O

You're right, it will make the experience so much better.

No, wait.

O.o

[Cedric-Archaon]

Originally posted by Huck
Everyone says how polite and kind the japanese players are. You're only talking about the ones who accept you into a party, not the ones who say "... American, I'll be damned if i invite him"
I've heard of people saying they've been kicked out of parties for speaking english... is that part of the kindness as well?

I don't know what you're talking about with people getting booted for speaking english, considering I've PT'd with people and told them my japanese was very bad and that I am american. They try to help me out, not boot me from a PT.

Originally posted by Huck
No offense to any honest importer, but i think a lot of you have some major sticks up your asses.
things like "Shut up, newb, you don't know because you haven't played!"
"What, you're only a level 17 warrior?? you shouldn't speak about the game, you're not skill"
"North americans are so damn conceited, that's why i'll play on japanese servers, because i'm more mature than them, and a better person."

The reason we are so overbearing is because people try to act like they know what they are talking about, when in fact they have no clue. Hear-say is not a substitute for experience.

Originally posted by Huck
Lets face it, the only reason 95% of the US FFXI players being assholes is the other 5% is going to stay with their imported charectors. We're ALL assholes, You, me, and even the kid next door.

Everyone may be an asshole at times, but that doesn't mean all the time, especially while playing a game. Being an asshole at the right time is what makes the difference.

[anavrin]

And for someone saying importing is stupid? Uh... yeah it is if you're like half of the people I know who (thank god) did not import it. "THERZ NO PVP OMG ROFL THAT SUCKS THE GAME BL0WZ0RZ!!!!!!!111" Fact is, this game is not for everyone.

You think the Japanese complained about no PVP?

It's not stupid if you like it, and who are you to tell someone that what they like is stupid? We all find our joy from different things, and until people stop criticizing other people's opinions (mature opinions, not saying "LOLZ0RZ IMPORTING IS ST00PD LOLOL!!!!!111"), then flaming will continue until eternity.

[saygt]

well said cedric :thumbsup:
you think like a natural japanese-american

[Janus Zeal]

I also agree with StarvingArtist (damn I seem to agree with you so many times, and also post right after you) with the American versus Japanese behavior...if you want to make this a topic, then create another one, otherwisely its off the real topic here.


As for Cedric, I won,t complain about your attitude as much as what you've said...You understate that Americans are way more immature than Japanese players in many of your statements (like I said above this should have its own thread), and I disagree with generalizing because this is what you saw - and not what is in fact (you may be right, but you might as well be wrong).

For my own, no I didn't import, but while playing Ultima Online, I've met people from Australia and China, but mostly Americans (server was in American grounds after all - Sonoma).

I can say from my guild that they are very nice people, those in my guild all were Americans, they wouldn't complain all the time, they would try the best they could to protect you, they would excuse for you dying on their hands (even without responsability), would help you in building your character, give you free items and advice and you can have a ton of fun with them.

So not everyone is the way you said Americans were, I also am North American (Canada) and I didn't act so "bastardly" at anytime. I don't think I'm part of a small minority, it all depends on the game and what's in it (PvP DOES make a difference to the attitude of its people)

[Kellon]

Originally posted by Cedric-Archaon

95% of the people who play online games are. Did you play EQ, did you play Diablo 2?

Have you played Asheron's Call? How about Dark Age of Camelot, or Earth and Beyond? You can't judge the whole online population by a couple of games.


Originally posted by Cedric-Archaon

If you're in a PT and someone dies because of something, I'd expect the reaction of most American gamers to start cursing, just like any other online game in the past. On the JP servers, people apologize even if they did nothing. PVP isn't the only way to piss people off or annoy them, there are PLENTY others.

Like I said in my previous post, in Dark Age of Camelot apologizing to people when they die is COMMONPLACE. Only rarely to I ever hear people complain when they die, and most of the time when they do it isn't directed at anyone in the group. Cursing is suprisingly almost non-existant as well. This goes for several online games I've played.

[SeeD Soldier]

Ya I've seen of course the cusser dieng but most of the time I hear the guy say some funny comment (most common I've fallen and I can't get up or I like dirt naps) to lighten up the situation. Most American players just accept their death and wait for a rez or suck it up and recall back (if that certain game has it) to their last save point. I've also seen many acts of extreme kindness in many American players like the almighty sacrifice. I had a way to do it in my groups is I had a huge damage mass hit spells which if I used equaled instant death to me but I used it the minute my group needed a few seconds to run.

[Fox Excalibur]

I would first like to say the American-Japanese Behavior issue is still sliiiiiiiiiiightly on topic, but only by a bit. Only in the context that this is about not wanting to import, and if you import you have to deal with Japanese players.

Well, i wanna state that i have played a few diffrent MMORPGs, (not DoAC though unfortunately), and want to say i have rarely ever seen bad behavior. Even in EQ, sure sometimes someone will kill steal you in games, and generally have rude players, but what that never happens in FFXI? a Japanese person would never do that? i find that hard to believe. In fact i have heard from people who have been kill stealed as mages beacause of not getting a spell off in time and such.

Whenever I would die, i would apologize profusely. and I never once was even treated badly at all. In fact, many times i would go Link Dead, because my connection would screw up and kick me off like every 2 minutes, and they would invite me back, and still be very kind about it all! i was shocked at the hospitality.

I always treated others with respect, and was treated with respect in return.

In AC and AC2, players go FAR out of thier way to help people out. Spend hours for someone they just met to help them do something meaningless to themselves. Higher levels were more then happy to help you, and so where lower levels, hoping to give thier service if they could. I havent played DoAC so I cant speak for them, but i imagine its the same type of community outreach.

Please do not slander American gamers, it only insults those who do thier best to be polite.

Back onto the original topic, This was about reasons to not import the game, which were legitamate. Also I do not think Celestial meant anything as much as you are getting upset about, i think his comment was about "importing NOW would be a bad idea" even though this may not be the case for everyone, for some people it wouldnt be the smartest move, but if they have thier reasons to import, then so be it.

[Jibe]

I've played many, many MUDs, EQ, AC, AC2, Ragnarok, Elancia, Diablo, Diablo 2, The Realm, Neverwinter nights and Tibia.

I have met both the idiot and the genius, the bully and the saint, the 4th grade speller and the english professor. People from 8 years old to 70. Single, married, divorced or people of alternate lifestyles. Japanese players, American players, Chinese players and others.

No matter how good the game or what the race there will always be hackers or cheaters.

No matter how good the game or what the race there will always be bullies.

No matter how good the game or what the race there will always be idiots.

But no matter how good the game or what the race there will always be people who are fun to talk to and play with.
Try to focus on that.

~Jibe

[Kellon]

Personally my reason for not importing has always been that since I don't speak Japanese I felt I would be cheating myself out of the full experience of the game. Without being able to read what any of the NPC's are saying I wouldn't get the full flavor of the game world and its plot, and I wouldn't be able to figure out how to complete any of the quests for myself, I 'd have to use a guide or ask another player. I just think it would take away every aspect of the game except for leveling, and that's really not the only thing I play MMORPG's for.

[Jibe]

Personally my reason for not importing has always been that since I don't speak Japanese I felt I would be cheating myself out of the full experience of the game. Without being able to read what any of the NPC's are saying I wouldn't get the full flavor of the game world and its plot, and I wouldn't be able to figure out how to complete any of the quests for myself, I 'd have to use a guide or ask another player. I just think it would take away every aspect of the game except for leveling, and that's really not the only thing I play MMORPG's for.
I couldn't agree more Kellon. I have the same reasons. ;)

~Jibe

[Elite]

The NA release is still a while to be released and we are always gonna be 10 steps ahead. The NA cap starts at 55, our cap will be over 100.

[Jibe]

The NA release is still a while to be released and we are always gonna be 10 steps ahead. The NA cap starts at 55, our cap will be over 100.
Why is that Elite? I would think that Square would try to
keep the two versions as similiar as possible.

I could be wrong though, please tell me if
you know the reason. :)

~Jibe

[Fox Excalibur]

Yeah elite, i dont remember Square ever stating anything about a level 55 cap for NA players at all. You can speculate that Square would release the first version without the updates (why would they not include updates that fix bugs and excetera that would also make a level 60 cap) Plus most MMORPGs when they get released elsewhere have the whole up-to-date version with them, because its rather unfair to be playing with Japanese players and yet cant attaine the same level.

[anavrin]

On the topic of Japanese-American behavior:

Why is it okay to say that Japanese are more polite than American players, but not okay to say that American players are less polite than Japanese players? Especially since both mean the same thing, and that anyone who knows anything about Japanese culture can prove it?

Just something to think about to yourself, not aimed towards anyone or expecting any replies or anything.

[Elite]

Even if they do keep the level caps the same, JP version will still be ahead because 1-60 takes an awful long time and by then we would reach the farthest cap, Square wouldn't keep us waiting and let the NA catch up for that long without an update for us to keep busy.

[Fukkatsu]

To Celestial, you haven't played the import version, and for that you have no right to say anything about it. Have fun sitting at your computer twiddling your thumbs until the US version comes out, I'll have fun playing FFXI right now. Look! Jeuno AH. I think I might just go walk around and play. Yes, I'm having fun, thank you.

That looks like someone I don't want to play with.

Arrogant how, because I defend my point? This person has no clue about what he is talking about. He calls people stupid for importing and somehow I have no right to defend myself?

Arrogant: Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others.

A. He had it coming, read his post.
B. Stop mirroring the exact opinion of your butt buddies in the non-existant "Majestic" linkshell.
C. Don't tell me about who I represent, you have not PT'd with me, or anyone for that matter.

A. How did he have it coming? Because he hasn't imported?
B. Wow, very mature Cedric. Just because two people who happen to be in the same LS and share the same opinion on a subject you need to call them names? I would rather be in any non-existant linkshell, then be in any "real" linkshell with you.
C. By the way you post, I don't even need to party with you to realize how childish and completely stupid you act. I don't doubt you playing skills at all, I'm sure you are a very good party member, I just think you are very strong-willed.

I'm done arguing with you.

[Janus Zeal]

I agree with Fukkatsu, let's not make this a flaming war, this just goes nowhere at all. And importers might have more experience but lets not get big-headed and get too superior either, this is biasing opinions of others.

anavrin, that might be observable but, as a statistic, would only be a median at the most, and not the way everyone acts or thinks. So even there being more Japanese polite people in your idea, this doesn't mean Americans are only stupid.

I also did not import because of monetary reasons, but most of the others Kellon resumes it best in his post.

[Elite]

FFXI really shouldn't be compared to the existent MMORPG's out right now. They've blockaded this game so much that theres actually no way of cheating off others.

You get your own Linkshell, talk to your friends and ofcourse you rarely PT with them because they might not be around your level so you PT with the JP, and you play for hours or so and when the PT ends then thats all.

Some of the importers are better off PT'ing with the JP because they've had bad experiences with other importers, and I usually wouldnt PT with importers who doesent know what theyre doing or not sure of something but thats very rare to see on high level pt's.

That's why you see high levels only choosing people off their mission ranks these days, because of the miscasualties done in the past.

Clearly, it's very easy to understand the plot of the game even if you dont understand JP because it's always shown in lamest terms. When you play, most of the time you'll be PT'ing and leveling and I can guarantee that.

That's simply why I imported, it doesent matter to me where the people are from. Just do your role and enjoy, I've seen importers world shift away from Ragnarok because of it's many problems occuring or saying that they dont have enough friends to play with.

You can't always PT with your friends because of level differences so you end up Pt'ing with strangers 90% of the time and I cherish it. JP or not, I play to level and get more experience, I dont run around calling myself "L33T" (By the way, thats a disgrace to my name) :sweat:

[Seulgaist]

Must...not....interefere....with....arguement...

Gah...its too tempting.

I think it can be agreed by many that Fukkatsu should not be allowed to speak on this subject anymore.

"Arrogant: Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others."

Wow, good for you. You have a dictionary. Too bad this has nothing to do with anything. Where in any of Ced's post did he assume that he was superior, hmm? He was simply giving a contrary arguement to your little friend, oh, sorry, "butt-buddy". So, if you say the sky is red, and I say the sky is blue based solely on the experience of looking up to see it, you would call me arrogant for going against your point? Cause, you know, this is essentialy exactly what is happening here.

And you know what, Ced has every right to be arrogant. Not to sound too childish, but, here goes: He has the game and you don't! Nyayayaya! There. I've said it. If you don't plan on importing the game, THEN DONT, and dont come here bitching about your reasons why. We dont care. We have the game. We are sound and content. What if I were to tell you I dont plan on getting EQ online? Would anyone give a shit? Of course not. Take it somewhere else.

Well, while we're talking about arrogance, let me add a bit of fuel to the fire: Ooooooh, cant wait to log on today and play a little FFXI, cause, you know, I HAVE THE GAME. Wheeeeeeeee.

-Wurd

[Cedric-Archaon]

Originally posted by Fukkatsu
That looks like someone I don't want to play with.

Because posting on a message board has ANY bearing on how I play the game? I've PT'd with so many people I despised, namely a bunch of the newer importers from NG, and still the fact that I liked a puddle of urine more than them doesn't prevent me from playing to keep myself AND them alive. I wouldn't want someone killing me in a PT when my life is in their hands, nor would I do the same to them.

Originally posted by Fukkatsu
Arrogant: Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others.

He called importing stupid, I replied about him not having a right to speak for lack of knowledge on the subject. Knowledge = arrogance?

Originally posted by Fukkatsu
A. How did he have it coming? Because he hasn't imported?
B. Wow, very mature Cedric. Just because two people who happen to be in the same LS and share the same opinion on a subject you need to call them names? I would rather be in any non-existant linkshell, then be in any "real" linkshell with you.
C. By the way you post, I don't even need to party with you to realize how childish and completely stupid you act. I don't doubt you playing skills at all, I'm sure you are a very good party member, I just think you are very strong-willed.

I'm done arguing with you.

A. He had it coming since he called importing stupid. Can you read or are you just thick-headed?
B. It was more along the lines of his post was of no importance because it said exactly what you said, it brought nothing new to the conversation or had any relevance.
C. Once again, a post on a message board cannot sum up the way a person acts. Do you continue have the same demeanor while going through each day? No, no one does. People do everything a certain way, and I defend my opinions with great zeal.

This is like beating a dead horse, whatever.

[Elite]

here goes: He has the game and you don't! Nyayayaya!

:sweat:

I guess everybody made their point about importing and what not. We all respect each other's opinions but saying it outloud in public disturbs the peace...:handsdown

[Fukkatsu]

I think it can be agreed by many that Fukkatsu should not be allowed to speak on this subject anymore.

Why is it agreed? Because I understand why the non-importers are not importing? I think it is agreed by many that I know what I'm talking about. If you need further proof, just look through this topic, and you will see that many more people agree with me than not.

Wow, good for you. You have a dictionary. Too bad this has nothing to do with anything. Where in any of Ced's post did he assume that he was superior, hmm? He was simply giving a contrary arguement to your little friend, oh, sorry, "butt-buddy". So, if you say the sky is red, and I say the sky is blue based solely on the experience of looking up to see it, you would call me arrogant for going against your point? Cause, you know, this is essentialy exactly what is happening here.

Have fun sitting at your computer twiddling your thumbs until the US version comes out, I'll have fun playing FFXI right now. Look! Jeuno AH. I think I might just go walk around and play. Yes, I'm having fun, thank you.

That to me, looks like he is being arrogant. Basically, hes saying "Guess who is playing the game and guess who is not?" So if Dwim agreeing with me makes us "butt buddies", then I don't even want to know what you and Cedric are together. ;) Going against my post makes you arrogant? Maybe I should send this so called "dictionary" your way. He has very good reasons for staying, but the last line in his first post was really not necessary. I suggest from now on if you have something to say to me, do it in a private message, so no one else has to hear our bitches and moans.

I would be much happier not arguing, so if we need to work out our argument, thats fine. I would much rather be enjoying a conversation with fellow FFXI players/enthusiats.

[Janus Zeal]

Well said Fukkatsu!
I, myself, do agree with Fukkatsu's opinion and I believe not to be alone in this case.

I also defend my opinions with zeal (pun intended), and I think that those not playing as of now and importers' speculations (on unproven matter) have the same value whatsoever.

Being arrogant, in my own definition, is someone who thinks highly of him/herself as opposed to others, treating them like they would be inferior.

[Bousch]

Please read Sig :thumbsup:


To much importer vs waiter on these boards now.

[saygt]

Basically if you can't be the one to shut up in a flame war, that just shows how strongly you believe that your opinions/arguments are superior to your opposition. I think that's a form of arrogance.

[saygt]

Does Fukkatsu have the game or not? I'm confused because from what i'm reading, he doesn't, but his Majestic banner and info suggests that he does. :confused:

[Janus Zeal]

sayqt, I merely am trying to tell how unfair it is to judge people's opinion by if they played or not (since they are opinions, not facts). I merely want everyone to have a fair shot at expressing themselves on the matter, without being biaised or try to nullify another's opinion (You can have an opinion on someone else's opinion, but don't plainly say its stupid because you say so, that's childish. By the way this isn't directed to anyone.)

I'm also defending my point, but I try, as much as I can, not to de-value everyone else's by name calling or flaming. I also don't think that arguing is arrogance, arguing can be a form of curiosity as you are asking yourself questions and try to find answers from yourself and other's opinions.

[Fukkatsu]

Yes, I have the game, saygt. I think they are talking about Celestial, way up the the first page.

[Cedric-Archaon]

Originally posted by saygt
Does Fukkatsu have the game or not? I'm confused because from what i'm reading, he doesn't, but his Majestic banner and info suggests that he does. :confused:

Yes, he rocks the level 18 hard.

[Rico]

I am not going to import because in my opinion its stupid to now.... but if it was a long time ago its ok.

[Fukkatsu]

The reason I am not a higher level than 18, is because I have been very busy the past few weeks. I think its funny how I was very, very bored before I had the game. I had tons of free time. then once I got the game, I hardly had time to play it more than 3 or 4 hours a week.

Just to point out, your statement was pure arrogance.

Why is there always argument with you? By even partaking in this argument, it made us, and every person involved in it look very ridiculous. I'm sure we can both agree on that.

[Elite]

Reasons for not importing shouldn't be posted out in the public especially in this community when you know there are many importers here. Calling importing stupid really is offensive to the majority of those who have the game. So please leave comments like those to yourself or go say it in the chatroom and start your debate there. Basically this topic needs to be closed before the flaming of importers vs non-importers gets out of hand.