BST /anon

[Mournbringer]

I was leveling my bst and was /anon when i got a /tell from another bst who seemed to take this as a personal insult. then after a brief exchange of ideas he proceeded to shadow my every move and attempted to drop a mob on me twice to kill me. While playing bst I have seen plenty of players /anon while leveling and plenty that don't use /anon. was this a gross overreaction on his part or did i deserve the attempts on my characters life?

[Anaki]

erm whoever that guy is. is just a jerk. if he doesn't like your on anon then tough luck to him. /anon is a right to prevent being bugged because of X job help or mage sub for a raise and so on

[bikkebakke]

he was just being an ass... once i get invited into pt i go /anon so i can pt undisturbed

[Thoronas]

He way overreacted. But there is a reason for his anger. Some bst do get pissy when bst lvl anon since there is no way to know they are there to compete with until you get to the zone and you see them in what you thought was an empty camp. If you were in his situations you probably would have handled it a lot better than he did. He could have gotten banned for that behaviour if you chose to report him to a gm.

Did you deserve that treatment? No
Should you lvl without anon so intelligent bst will know you are already lvling in the zone and give you less competition? Yes

[Michiko]

It does sound like he was overreacting but some people are just touchy. What I've started doing when I'm out exping now is actually leave a message in the search box stating what I'm hunting or if it's a camp, what camp I'm at. It seems to have worked nicely as I haven't had anyone freak out due to being anon.

[Xenthan]

What's more annoying, being in a one man xp camp and having someone else barge in and steal your xp, or having to tell a few people (I'm busy) while you level? I'd personally take the few tells. I hate when I run all the way to upper delkfuts, only to find that the camps are already taken by 2 /anon bsts.

[Kittyneko]

What's more annoying, being in a one man xp camp and having someone else barge in and steal your xp, or having to tell a few people (I'm busy) while you level? I'd personally take the few tells. I hate when I run all the way to upper delkfuts, only to find that the camps are already taken by 2 /anon bsts.

Lol.. shit happens. /anon is part of the game, you can use it when you want to. That guy who got angry because of it doesn't understand FFXI completely in my opinion.

[Xenthan]

Sure, you can use it when you want, but it is far more respectful of others to let them know that you are a bst leveling there. I just feel that people who use /anon when they xp are being selfish and possibly wasting other bsts' time. But, as you have put it, that is a decision others have to make.

[Kittyneko]

Sure, you can use it when you want, but it is far more respectful of others to let them know that you are a bst leveling there. I just feel that people who use /anon when they xp are being selfish and possibly wasting other bsts' time. But, as you have put it, that is a decision others have to make.

I'm quite sure that isn't always their intention.

[Xenthan]

No one intends to be selfish. Most people have it hard-wired into their personality, and it just shows through by their actions. Whether you want it to or not, being /anon will occasionally cause people to waste their time running to a one man camp. I don't mean to be argumentative, but I do feel quite strongly towards the issue, if you haven't noticed, lol. Too many times have I arrived at a crowded camp that I thought was empty.

[fartzncrackers]

I thought "no anon" was the unspoken BST rule. Adding your loc, prey, and pets makes life even more special. Though nobody should treat you bad if you do go /anon. If anything try to explain why it hurts other BSTs. We are a civil group even if all we do is talk to animals all day long.

[Eseuldor]

We are a civil group even if all we do is talk to animals all day long.

LOL, totally agree with that one. Compared to the NIN and RDM I have to put up with all the time, BST's even though we are certifiably insane for choosing this job, are the group with the most civility it's astonishing when you first begin to notice that "hey, I was a total newb in that situation and he didn't get all pissy?!?"

I also agree that soloing /anon, although it can offer an exp session free of the frequent cries for help on BCNM's and other situational events that people seem to think BST is only good for, is actually detrimental as a whole to the other BST's near your level who are scouting for a place to level up. The one who tried to MPK and interrupt your own xp flow obviously did not know how to handle it and decided to take the wrong path.

I usually set my /seacom to the following:

BST {Camp}@<pos>~<pos> {Danger}
Pet: yadda {Fight} Enemy: yadda
{Party?} OK^^ {Burning Circle} {No Thanks.}

If someone comes into my area and claims they didn't know I was there, well I can claim idiocy on them and leave it at that. Also good for the JP's who are at my level since I have noticed they are more willing to duo/trio than NA's normally are. (go figure right?)

I hate hate hate running all the way to an xp camp that I know should be free based on the /sea all bst xx-xx and it showing zero there and all of a sudden when I get to the spot there is a whole party of them or some individual(s) in that very area I was hoping for. :vent: Generally, I say forget them since they obviously didn't care about there camp enough to let people know they are there and I proceed to get down to business and rake in my xp even if it's at a reduced amount per hour because I already took the time needed to get there.

ps...some of these smilies are funny as hell^^

[Ikaridono]

I'm with Eseuldor. If I head out somewhere and theres an /anon Bst after I did a search of the area, I'm camping where I please.

Happened to me out in Uglerg (Butched that, I know) Range. And this was before I had the Outpost and no Tele-Vhalz got me there. That was a LONG run and I was not about to turn back after finding an /anon Bst there.

[Xanfien]

I'm with those who say that /anon xp as a bst is rude. While the person the OP talked about seriously went overboard in his actions, the majority of Bst out there will agree that you should not xp /anon. There's not much more to say, since everyone has covered the subject quite well, but I just wanted to voice my support for this side of the arguement.

[Harrison]

BST /anon is a no no. You essentially wasted that persons time by him coming all the way out to camp, because I assume he did a search on the area and saw no BST. I'd have no second thoughts of camping in the same area and competing with you for mobs til you left if I spent time and gil for a tele/choco/OP warp etc and I did my job of making sure no other BST was there only to have an /anon BST there. Regular exp parties do what you want, but solo BST, it has always been an unwritten rule that if you are exping you better not have /anon on.

Now, trying to MPK someone like what was happening to the OP is overboard, but don't get upset if competition suddenly shows up. You are protecting yourself by not being /anon because Beastmasters are probably the only job in the game as a whole (in general, there are a few asshats) that is considerate of others exp areas. If you wouldn't have been /anon, that BST would have never showed up in the first place.

[Mikb]

I didn't think this had to be said... i just thought it was rule that every BST followed.

[Patrian]

there is really no rule on /anon. It it however sort of frowned upon in a way. There are times when its perfectly acceptable to slap on /anon when you just want to spend time with yourself.

Sometimes people don't even know you have /anon on (hehe) and just go about their business. Usually when i see /anon on bst its because they are either JP BST that don't care about other bst in the area or is /anon bst waiting for HNMLS or NM POP.

[Marai]

/anon BST drives me nuts. If you want to go anon, sure fine, whatver - but I always check seach comments as well as /sea all for the area to make sure I will have an xp session the way I like it... low-player-aggro.

<Beastmaster><Camp> J-11 in your comments works just fine if you really have to go /anon.

A lot of bsts play bst partly because we are busier that most players... trotting out to a camp we thought was clear, and then finding that it wasn't... may have blown away all chances for xp that night.

[TaruBST]

From my experience, it's better to not go /anon.
What I do is I don't go /anon and put a search comment saying where I'm camping at.
If I know when I'm logging off, then I put that too in the search comment.
I do that because it's good for me AND other BSTs.
Most of the time, BSTs do search before going to the camping area.
If I have specific comment like that, they won't even bother to come.
Same with me. If I see a BST with comment saying he/she is already camping where I was planning to go, then I would rather choose another camping area because 2 BSTs in 1 camping area sucks in exp.

I just don't understand why BST would go /anon and solo.
All they're doing is making other BSTs to come to the camp thinking the camp is open.

[wolfjorg]

Yeah /anon bst in my opinoin is rude. But to act the way he did was too much of an a$$.

I look for people in areas if i lv bst, and see anon and ask if they are bst. If no response i continue on my way to camp, and do what i can do. going /anon is a bst no no.

[Silenus]

Ya gotta figure any BST that xp's /anon either forgot he was /anon, or has a gimped subjob that he doesn't want anyone to know about, or is just kinda dumb. I find, though, that being nice at first instead of yelling at him for being an idiot can either make me a new friend, or a temporary duo partner, etc.

I logged into Ul{tab} Range this morning, a taru BST was already at the tunnel camp, so I went down into the lower level and frankly it's a better roaming camp that I never would have known about otherwise.

I would have liked to duo with him but didn't get a response back.

On the other hand, I logged in the other day and saw the camp was taken and couldn't even log out fast enough before the BST sends me a /t please move.

/ramble off

A little courtesy goes a long way.

[Firedevil]

This topic comes up on every BST forum, every couple of months. I have said what every other person has said on here. I play BST or /BST because I have very little time to lfp and deal with getting on only for it to disband minutes later. Following that logic, when I go out to solo, I do a /sea area to see if I can exp there efficiently with the number of BSTs my lvl in camp. If you have /anon on, I think nobody is there at the BST camp, and I probably spend 20 minutes or so getting to camp only to find it taken by an /anon BST. What I learned early on was that some of these people actually use their /sea comments to tell location and pets/prey. If you must /anon, PLEASE be respectful and put up a search comment. Otherwise you are wasting my time and being disrespectful to the rest of the BST in your community.

I am currently lvling Ninja/BST and since most people playing BST won't notice I am playing Ninja BST style, I put a comment up so they know what I am doing and that I am in their camp. Saves a lot of time and people appreciate that, I promise. :thumbsup:

[Mikb]

Good Point Fire... It never really crossed my mind to look out for /BST. I'll have to keep that in mind when checking an area : )

[Lellya]

i think BST /anon they want hide something .... we had problem last night:
we want to Party in ayuweena and as we arrived our Camp there was a /anon BST.

I can't understand thouse Ppls :angry: so we "wasted" 60 mins of our Playtime cause of looking for a camp :vent: thx.

If i play BST i dont do /anon AND i do a comment where! i camp. Easy for all others
and if they want to take my camp ... i can say: Hey why dont you look in the area and read the comments ;P so i am on a safe way for all others to spare more time.

[samarium]

I never go /anon as BST and expect the same courtesy from others. That's what it is; it's just professional courtesy. If you choose to BST /anon, then I choose to share the spot with you and we can fight over pets all evening.

This is particularly important in places that only sport one useful camp. If you /search the zone for other BST and see one, it's a fair bet that they're using that particular spot and it's best to move on, but I'm inclined to force you to share with me if you fail to show me the simple courtesy of letting me know you're there.

It's really in your best interest; my point of view is not an uncommon one.

-sam

P.S. The attempted MPK, however, was unacceptable. I will cut your exp by using the same pets you're using, but I won't actually try to KILL you.

[Jinkusu]

If you're a BST and you are XP'ing, you should not be /anon. This is just common courtesy among BST to help each other not waste time going to a camp only to find it is already taken. It's just an unwritten rule *most* of us follow.

Don't be suprised if a bst shows up at your camp while you are anon and decides not to leave.

[Redlac_UK]

Hmm, some good comments there. The MPK just showed that the guy was an idiot. He could have just sent a /tell! Psh, noobs.

When I started my Bst career I did use /anon occcasionally. This was because I was trying to figure out how to be a Bst. Since theres always a lot of people running around outside of cities it didn't really make a difference.

Nowadays, I don't use /anon as a Bst unless I don't want to be disturbed, like when I'm running around looking for something. And if I am Xping and I've forgotten to turn it off, I'm always respectful of other Bsts in the area- I'll go someplace else.

In fact, having Anon off is useful- when people /check you they see the word Beastmaster in your job title.. and leave you alone.

[Xorlarrin]

I check an area before I go there and if there is a anon alone not in pt I simply send a tell (Beastmaster)?. That is not a 100% way but is better then to whine once ya get there. I have seen areas empty and by the time I get there another bst is there now too.


As for him tring to kill you people are jerks IRL... Sadly now that they play a game with thouands of other people who have just as much right to be there as they do. Nothing has really changed........

[Sigmara]

I never considered anon BST as true BST. Mainly because they are hidding the fact that they are BST and that they tend to be rude peoples ( the last one I saw came right in the camp my duo partner and me were using and started charming some of the mobs we were targeting to send them on the remainning ones ... ).

Yes I dont always do a search to see if that area got BST already but if the one(s) there are not anon and that the solo prey are not enought for more BTS, I ask to party. If he does not want to try, I leave / try something different. But if the BST is anon, I guess he is wanting me to ignore him no ? So I please him and proceed to do what I was planning to.

If you are bored of other peoples (being solo and anon tends to show that you don't want to interact with other peoples), maybe an offline game would be a nice break.

[Xorlarrin]

LOL I find the bitterness of the posts in this topic hilarious!!!


Yes I dont always do a search to see if that area got BST already
Then you got no one to blame but yourself! YOU and you alone screwed your self out of your time and anger other bsts when you pop up at there camp.

FACT: People are annoying... I have got random people sending me /t's asking me to do bcnm with them. Partys asking for help with Promys. Partys asking me for raises. Partys asking me if I will help them if they get link. People asking me to pull a mob away from coffers.

I fully understand why people go /anon and they have FULL RIGHT to go anon reguardless of your "opinions". They bought this game and pay the monthy charge just like you do.

One of the major things that make bst job apealing to people is they can exp at anytime, no matter how little time they have. Log on, hit camp, exp, no seeking for pt. So its perfectly reasonable they do not want to be bothered.

You have 2 options.

1) Do everything you can (including sending anon people /t asking if they are a Bst) to make sure the area is clear before you go there. = kills a big whopping 2mins of your time.

2) Not bother to check areas or send /t's and run out to camps and then (Bio)ch and whine about it when you find other bst or bst/anon there. = can kill 20mins+ with airship wait/shouting for teleports/running to camp.

Saying things like you do not think they are true bst if they go anon it just LMAO hilarious!!! People like to argue and people like to do things to piss others off. So if anything all the bitterness displayed here is going to make more people go /anon just because they know it gets under your skin.

Personally I have never gone /anon as bst but that has nothing what so ever to do with my thinking of others. I rarely go anon at all no matter what job. Lighten up people its a game and unless you do Option #1 you got no one to be mad @ but yourself.


Some people are jerks IRL... Sadly now that they play a game with thouands of other people who have just as much right to be there as they do. Nothing has really changed...

^^ Thats a fact. You can be angry and bitter from having to deal with those people online but that just makes them happy knowing they pissed you off. They laugh. You can get angry and try to kill them but now they can call a GM and you get thrown in jail and lose even more of your time.

When you run into those types, pitty them for the kind of person they are and just move on. Do not expend time, energy, or emotion getting upset or they win.

[Miburo]

Gotta disagree with you, Xor. If people are /anon I assume they want to be left alone. I'm not going to /tell every anon person in the zone to make sure they're not a bst.

If you're exping as a Bst and I check the area before I travel there and after I get there (just incase someone was en route when I checked earlier), and I get to camp and some anon Bst is there; he's getting camped on.

I'm not wasting my time traveling out into the middle of no where just to have to turn back because someone can't be bothered to respond to a random tell they might recieve while exping. (or whatever equally lame excuse they'll use for being /anon)

I know I sound harsh, and I normally let a lot slide when it comes to this kind of stuff. I guess I just expect a bit more respect from my fellow Beastmasters. ^^;;

[Xorlarrin]

I get to camp and some anon Bst is there; he's getting camped on.

LOL Have fun with that because we all know 2 wrongs make a right.

You think they are in the wrong for not playing how you want them to so you show them by being a jerk and camping on top of them to show your a bigger person.

[Miburo]

LOL Have fun with that because we all know 2 wrongs make a right.

You think they are in the wrong for not playing how you want them to so you show them by being a jerk and camping on top of them to show your a bigger person.

Heh, I honestly fail to see how I'd be the "jerk" on that one. He chose to go /anon without taking into account the time I'd be wasting traveling to some remote location to exp (Choosing that particular location based on searches I did of the area out of consideration for my fellow players). And then instead of wasting a warp item, more time, and more traveling expenses due to this person's inconsideration; I just stay where I am and exp as I planned to do based on the information that was avalible to me. (Not out of spite, I'm just not going to change my plans after going all the way out to camp. Don't make flawed assumptions about my intentions, and then call me a jerk)

If you go /anon without a search comment and someone comes to the camp you're at, then that's too bad. You showed absolutely zero consideration for the guy that traveled there, don't expect them to just go "Oh well" and warp away and waste their time checking other places. Don't expect them to show you any respect when you couldn't do the same for them.

[Sigmara]

Never said I was not screwing myself by beeing to lazzy. I'm not complainning about that. Anyway show me a BST that never screwed himself.

It s not because they pay for this game that they can be rude, ruin others peoples fun/times ... You know what ? I pay to.

On a side note : /anon peoples tend to dont answer to me. Maybe they put /anon to be left alone no ? And about them "still winning" ... when I met a jerk I either ignore him or get fun from him so I don't think he is "winning" anything.

[samarium]

Heh, I honestly fail to see how I'd be the "jerk" on that one. He chose to go /anon without taking into account the time I'd be wasting traveling to some remote location to exp (Choosing that particular location based on searches I did of the area out of consideration for my fellow players). And then instead of wasting a warp item, more time, and more traveling expenses due to this person's inconsideration; I just stay where I am and exp as I planned to do based on the information that was avalible to me. (Not out of spite, I'm just not going to change my plans after going all the way out to camp. Don't make flawed assumptions about my intentions, and then call me a jerk)

If you go /anon without a search comment and someone comes to the camp you're at, then that's too bad. You showed absolutely zero consideration for the guy that traveled there, don't expect them to just go "Oh well" and warp away and waste their time checking other places. Don't expect them to show you any respect when you couldn't do the same for them.

:thumbsup:

Professional courtesy! It's more important than ever since the pet despawn patch, bst can't grab two pets and haul them to a camp anymore.

There's no reason to go /anon as bst - it's not like people are clamoring for your attention all the time (whm), and nobody gives a damn about you unless you're in the same camp as them, in which case anon won't help you anyway. Blue pet names are kind of a dead giveaway.

The only thing an anonymous bst can achieve is causing trouble for other bst.

-sam

[Xorlarrin]

FACT: People are annoying... I have got random people sending me /t's asking me to do bcnm with them. Partys asking for help with Promys. Partys asking me for raises. Partys asking me if I will help them if they get link. People asking me to pull a mob away from coffers.


There's no reason to go /anon as bst - it's not like people are clamoring for your attention all the time (whm), and nobody gives a damn about you unless you're in the same camp as them, in which case anon won't help you anyway.


Maybe I am just more popular then you or something but I get this all the time. [See first quote] In fact not less then 30mins ago I was in Bostaunieux Oubliette. I was camped @ side tunnel near exit when Exp party @ zone started asking me for a raise. Also, twice yesterday I was /t'ed by 2 other bsts who I do not know asking me to do BCNM. Late lastnight same thing, I was in Beadeaux and I got a /t from someone in Jeuno asking me to raise a friend they have that died there.

Nothing you can do about people going /anon. No matter how much you think its wrong. Its not going to change. Just accept it.

If you check zone and you see people anon and they are not in a pt msg them just (Beastmaster)?. Ya they can not respond but, at least your tried. THAT is all you can do. Its not going to change. Just accept it.

You do not bother to check area or /t the anon you go to a camp and there is an /anon bst there. Have fun tring to camp on top of them. Have fun fighting over mobs. Have fun waiting for repops. Have fun getting slow exp. I hope the frustration is worth it.

Professional courtesy!

Um... What professional courtesy??? I see bsts get killed and other bsts just walk over the bodys and not help try to save them from getting killed or raise them ALOT.(Yet I see exp pts all the time voke a link off another pt) I get bsts who do not bother to check area at all and pop up at my camp and start exping. I see bsts all the time farming that do not allow anyone else to get the mobs. When others are tring to get items because they need them, not to sell. (O-hat eyes for example. I helped a friend get them as 75rdm. Bst in Ifrit's Cauldron wearing an o-hat was farming eyes and we asked him to please leave one of the pop locations for us because we needed eye. He wouldn't...)

Bst has a bad rep and its well earned. Instead of whining about something you can not control or change (people going /anon) why not try to improve those items listed above.... Things you can actually help to change.

[samarium]

Maybe I am just more popular then you or something but I get this all the time. I'm hurt.

Um... What professional courtesy??? I see bsts get killed and other bsts just walk over the bodys and not help try to save them from getting killed or raise them ALOT.(Yet I see exp pts all the time voke a link off another pt)

So maybe you're more of a :vent: than me and you just let people lie there dead, but I help people out every chance I get.

How about instead of derailing the thread with quasi-flames, you interject your opinion quietly and professionally?

-sam

[Xorlarrin]

So maybe you're more of a :vent: than me and you just let people lie there dead, but I help people out every chance I get.

Um.. If I see bsts gets killed then, I can't be that bst or I would have said I get killed. I was talking about being another job in an exp pt and seeing the actions of other bsts. Personally if I am bst and in an area I fear death I RR.

How about instead of derailing the thread with quasi-flames, you interject your opinion quietly and professionally?

I did that and replied to your comments. That is how a forum works.

[Harrison]

Bst has a bad rep and its well earned.

Well maybe you've helped earn that rep, but overall BST have an extremely good rep amongst themselves. I don't care a bit if normal players are /anon or not, but if you are a BST that goes /anon while exping in known BST exp camps, you are either forgetful, or a jerk. It's been well known for a LONG time that /anon BST exping is rude, period.

I also have a hard time believing you are so bothered with /tells. BST is one of the least bothered jobs by random people in the game. The only /tells I have ever received from total strangers was help with a BCNM and a raise request here and there, but nothing that is ever "bothersome".

Your examples have nothing to do with BST specifically. I had a similar experience when I was trying to farm an eye in IC for my O-hat and a 75 NIN wearing an O-hat was killing all the mobs himself. What about the fuckstick NIN's and THF's who killed my bat pets for the 1/10000 chance at dragon blood when all I asked was they leave me two specific bats and the rest of the area was theirs to kill?

What's not going to change is that pretty much most of the Beastmaster community considers exping /anon rude, ACCEPT IT.

I fully understand why people go /anon and they have FULL RIGHT to go anon reguardless of your "opinions". They bought this game and pay the monthy charge just like you do. ..and I have FULL RIGHT to kill mobs in their camp since they decided to waste my time by not indicating the camp was taken simply by not being /anon. I bought this game and pay the montly charge just like they do.

[little ninja]

This topic comes up on every BST forum, every couple of months. I have said what every other person has said on here. I play BST or /BST because I have very little time to lfp and deal with getting on only for it to disband minutes later. Following that logic, when I go out to solo, I do a /sea area to see if I can exp there efficiently with the number of BSTs my lvl in camp. If you have /anon on, I think nobody is there at the BST camp, and I probably spend 20 minutes or so getting to camp only to find it taken by an /anon BST. What I learned early on was that some of these people actually use their /sea comments to tell location and pets/prey. If you must /anon, PLEASE be respectful and put up a search comment. Otherwise you are wasting my time and being disrespectful to the rest of the BST in your community.

I am currently lvling Ninja/BST and since most people playing BST won't notice I am playing Ninja BST style, I put a comment up so they know what I am doing and that I am in their camp. Saves a lot of time and people appreciate that, I promise. :thumbsup:

perfectly said. now we need this stickied to avoid another post like this, lol

[Xorlarrin]

Ya I am done with this topic. I have only seen 3 people suggest things to make it better the rest of them only want to complain.

If you think a bst is wrong for going anon and you want to teach them a lesson by camping on top of them , hey its your time and energy to waste when you could be exping or idk maybe having fun.

I am leveling bst because its fun and I love it so much. Stuff like that is just not worth my time.

[Silenus]

I say we all do something ourselves each time we can to improve the BST mentality in the game across all servers.

Stop fishing at Secret Beach and raise a newb at the Konschat zone because he was smart enough to ask you to.

Charm a goblin running after somebody and bind him up for a few seconds...then kill him...I mean, why not? It's a goblin...not like the FBI's gonna come after you or anything >.>

Charm a link offa some rude pt that camped on top of you.

Raise the rude WHM who insisted they had more of a right to camp there than you do.

Solo G1 for people if you can...and then for their friends...

Get people their airship pass. And not just LS members. Spread some cheer in BST AF with fireworks!

When I see a sticky in the BST Forum here that basically starts out "We all know Beastmaster is one of the most unpopular jobs in FFXI" or something like that, I just go >.<

Then I log in and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

[hanimmal]

As far as you being more popular that is a joke.

If your getting tells all the time that it would make you want to go /anon then I would wager that it wouldnt do any good since the people sending the tells are likely friends or LS mates. Also when random ppl die and ask for a raise you can just go about your business and ignore the tell or say your busy sorry. Them eating the tops 500 exp they would have kept from your R1 isnt that big of a deal.

I usually try to let people in on the /anon thing being rude and then go about my business. It is rude that tehy go /anaon because

# ill-mannered: socially incorrect in behavior; "resentment flared at such an unmannered intrusion"

Even if they didnt realize that it is rude, doesnt change that it is. For years now the BST community has defined being /anon incorrect social behavior.

Now as far as the dude going all afk on you, how much of that is your perception?

If the guy was pissed and decided that he was going about his own business of exping dropping pets like he normally would. He may have not been trying to kill you just sending a stern messege to not get in his way since he isnt concerned about your space.

He isnt right, but your not smelling like roses either.

Just curious why people that say that people should be able to do there own thing and go anon because it is there decision would care if others are making a statement that they are upset about it.

[little ninja]

Ya I am done with this topic. I have only seen 3 people suggest things to make it better the rest of them only want to complain.

If you think a bst is wrong for going anon and you want to teach them a lesson by camping on top of them , hey its your time and energy to waste when you could be exping or idk maybe having fun.

I am leveling bst because its fun and I love it so much. Stuff like that is just not worth my time.

Thank you Thank you very much.

[FoxFire]

Ok, I can't keep quite on this any more. :P

Xorlarrin you are 100% right. :thumbsup:

All you have to do is read over these posts to see that bad rep come though that bsts have earned. I have leveled 4 jobs to 75 and been playing for over 3 years. I have seen several bsts pop up where exp partys were and start stealing beasts, bsts drop pets on exp partys, bsts, several times I have seen one bst step over the body of another dead bst and take there camp. Even now with most of the mpk probs fixed I still see bsts in GC drop pets right next to partys were they are not far enough outside the pop range. Do they care or say they are sorry that they did this. No.

Now, I see bsts being petty and childish makeing personal attacks against you when you have said you do not even go anon. Just because you said the truth that there isn't shite they can do about it except be part of the problem by being an ass to other bsts or to try and make it better. By making sure you check an area before you take off anywhere. People seem damn arrogant. They expect others to make sure to do things to make things easyer for them as long as it takes no effort on there part.

Beastmaster Communities?!?!?! :huh: WTH are you talking about? Unless your letting every level 1 bst join your ls your talking out your ass. My bst was level 42 before I even found a bst LS that had more then 2 other bsts on it that had any idea what they were doing anymore then me, and at no time what so ever did anyone said anything about anon bst being a good or bad thing. So to sugest that all bst know its rude or have any idea what other bsts think about it is a flat out joke. Not all bsts join bst ls or read these forums to learn these things. Just because you do not like it does not make it the word of god shouted down from the heavens. Such arrogance. :wtf:

I myself am now level 72 bst and I go anon all the time. NOT ONCE has anyone said one word to me about it being rude or whatever. (Ok, maybe jp players could have but I never understood them) Nor am I the only one in my ls that goes anon all the time and from talking with them after reading these posts they think nothing is wrong with it too. At some point you learn to not fret over these things and all the childish people who get upset over such things. I am so waiting for someone to have the nerve to dare reply and say someone had to have told me.

I go camp a few NM now and then and when I do I see a few JP bst camped at them too. They are also anon. Two of them I have duo'ed with a few times. They are always anon, not just when NM camping. I wonder if they know how evil and rude they are being.:evil:

One thing you all seem to gloss over is it does not matter even if all bst never used anon. You still got 17 other jobs that go anon and that can and do solo in every zone. You can still head out to a bst camp and find a Nin there, a pld with a npc, a sum, and so on. Each and everyone of them anon. Even full exp partys that now use bst camp sites because they know what a good camp it is.

Well, I have read and summerly dismissed most of your opinions. Please feel free to do the same with mine. However, if the best you got is to make a personal attack against me go for it. I will be ROTFLMAO :rofl: , because I love to be proven right.






FOXFIRE! One hot, axe wielding, red headed, mirtha riding gracefully atop a scorpion.:)
ALL MONSTERS SHALL LOVE ME AND DASPAIR!

[samarium]

Beastmaster community, as in most of the posters in this forum, not the bst on the actual servers.

Jerks will be jerks regardless of job, but (for the most part) the bst forums are basically free of people starting flame battles and simultaneously flinging around insults while making asinine comments about personal attacks being childish. :rolleyes:

-sam

[FoxFire]

Beastmaster community, as in most of the posters in this forum, not the bst on the actual servers.

Thank you so much to prove me right on 2 counts.:rofl:

To state that this forum is the "Beastmaster community" is pure ego, because it is clamed that what is said here goes for all bst all servers. Thats overwhelming arrogance because of what a small percentage of who that represents. Furthermore, all those who do not use forums are still left out. So to start camping on top of them and being rude because you come across other bst that are anon ends up only one person is in the wrong and its not the anon bst.

Let me see my post was #45. Its just a litttle hard to blame me for starting a flame war that late in the posts.:rolleyes:

[samarium]

Thank you so much to prove me right on 2 counts.:rofl:

To state that this forum is the "Beastmaster community" is pure ego, because it is clamed that what is said here goes for all bst all servers. Thats overwhelming arrogance because of what a small percentage of who that represents. Furthermore, all those who do not use forums are still left out. So to start camping on top of them and being rude because you come across other bst that are anon ends up only one person is in the wrong and its not the anon bst.

Let me see my post was #45. Its just a litttle hard to blame me for starting a flame war that late in the posts.:rolleyes:

OK, now you're just being deliberately thick.

-sam

[FoxFire]

Ahhh.. You can't even be bothered to post anything what so ever to do with the topic? Just going to make an attack because you do not like what I said? Yet again you prove me right.:thumbsup:

[Silenus]

...as a brick.

Dang I'm old. Hope somebody else caught that.

"Beastmaster community" is a big ol vague euphamism. We don't have a roster, and we don't all congregate in the same place, or on the same forum, or on the same server.

Nevertheless, there is an ideal "Beastmaster community" that people of conscience try to establish and maintain out of pride and honor. I am proud to say that I am a member of that Beastmaster community, and I strive to hold up the standards of the proud Beastmasters before me.

Certainly not all Beastmasters feel this way; however, there are a significant number that do, and they are my brothers. They will never step over my dead body. You will see them instantly take a knee beside me because they only have 49 mp when they find me, and then they will raise me, as I will them.

They will never camp on top of me. We will be in a duo.

They will never MPK me, and I will never MPK them.

They will never steal my pets or my mobs, because I do not own either.

They will stand by and watch me during a close fight to see if they need to throw in a Cure III.

They will /cheer when they don't.

They will ask me for anything I own, and return it when they say they will, as will I.

We will /wave to each other as we scramble through town to gather supplies and rush back into the field where we feel comfortable.

It is to this community I belong, and it is for this reason I play this game.

[FoxFire]

/target point (Yes you need it!) :P

Do you expect all bst of all levels to know of and follow this bst rote? Do you feel those that do not, deserved to be punished for it? That is what is being sugested by some of the posters to this topic.

[Harrison]

I notice the two posters who are going against the grain aren't Beastmaster main jobs. They both leveled other jobs to 75 before ever starting Beast. You have a completely different perspective on playing Beastmaster for your entire career. You obviously don't interact with a Beastmaster only community, because you're other 75 jobs show you are part of regular LS communities. Pretty much the majority of asshole Beastmasters you will run across, are the ones who are leveling it as a side project. I have never met a career BST who was a jerk, the only jerks were the ones I saw later on other 75 jobs.

All that is being stated here is exping solo /anon is rude. If you do it, don't expect the other person(s) you inconvienced to take it lightly. Learn the unwritten rules of the community if you want to be a part of it instead of antagonizing it.

[Xorlarrin]

/target point (Yes you need it!) :P

Do you expect all bst of all levels to know of and follow this bst rote? Do you feel those that do not, deserved to be punished for it? That is what is being sugested by some of the posters to this topic.

LOL OMG! Go Foxfire!



Thats it in a nutshell.................

[Silenus]

How do you explain blue to a blind man?

[samarium]

Parties routinely do a /search of the area they're about to exp in, knowing very well how many useable camp spots there are - they count the people in that level range and divide.

In this way they avoid wasting enormous chunks of time travelling around the globe looking at occupied camps.

There are very few circumstances where all six members of a party will be playing anonymously, so you can make some sort of estimate.

A lone BST can, with one stroke, cause a similar level of inconvenience for others.

After the MPK patch, useable camps for a solo player with pets and prey of the appropriate level nearby each other are dwindling, some spots - as stated - have one good camp.

You are not protecting beastmasters from some evil bst conglomerate looking to force them to all act a certain way; you are defending - encouraging - purposely acting selfishly.

I can't stop you from being selfish. You have a right to act however you want. However, encouraging such behavior is not a responsible stance to take to this problem.

-sam

[FoxFire]

You are not protecting beastmasters from some evil bst conglomerate looking to force them to all act a certain way; you are defending - encouraging - purposely acting selfishly.

I can't stop you from being selfish. You have a right to act however you want. However, encouraging such behavior is not a responsible stance to take to this problem.

-sam

Please Quote any post I have made where I tell other people to go anon. What Xorlarren has said and what I agree with is you should not attack another bst just because they are anon and assume they are being rude by doing it. Why is this so hard to understand?:huh:

Did you not read the first post in this thread?
He was shocked that someone would take it as "a personal insult" that he was anon. Yet until that guy, he had never heard that anyone would think its rude. The following posts several people say that guy was a jerk, an ass, and was overreacting. I just suggest no one follows that same route.:) Make love not war!

[samarium]

Why is this so hard to understand?:huh:

.....

Do NOT condescend to me three posts after you accuse me of making personal attacks.

This is very simple. It's courtesy. I'll do you the courtesy of letting you know where I camp and saving you the trouble of coming the whole way out if you'll do the same for me.

Beastmasters do not have in their possession a fast easy way to travel around the globe - BLM is not a suitable subjob, and /WHM won't get any teleports until level 74.

A party complete with whm and blm (post-40) can be whisked across the world in seconds, but we have to walk.

If you see fit to be discourteous to me, and see fit to persuade others to do the same, you'll happily stomp on any future courtesy I would offer you.

My message is very simple: be nice! And you're both arguing with that.

I will happily attempt to share the spot with you because you haven't signalled to me that you're using it! I'm not doing it specifically to harm your exp; I'm doing it to get some exp of my own for my time invested, which as stated, is considerable.

-sam

[FoxFire]

Do NOT condescend to me three posts after you accuse me of making personal attacks.

Ahh. You sound so mad. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Someone needs to stop thinking everything is about them or is that guilt? That you lowered yourself by making a personal attack when you had nothing of value to add.


My message is very simple: be nice! And you're both arguing with that.

Please clarify how suggesting anon bsts who like the person who posted this thread NOT getting attacked, just because thet are anon, is against being nice? What? Attacking them is?
Again, bsts who do not know other bsts view anon as rude.

[samarium]

Ahh. You sound so mad. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Someone needs to stop thinking everything is about them or is that guilt? That you lowered yourself by making a personal attack when you had nothing of value to add.

Please clarify how suggesting anon bsts who like the person who posted this thread NOT getting attacked, just because thet are anon, is against being nice? What? Attacking them is?
Again, bsts who do not know other bsts view anon as rude.

Oh. I think I finally see what's going on here.

Yer a troll.