Weapons (Not things you use to kill with)

[Chase]

I am talking about those very tough bosses that have existed in the world (FF7, FF8, FF10) any ideas if they will include them in the game, it will be interesting to here your comments, ideas, and thoughts on this subject.

also from your past knowledge of the FF weapons what kind of attacks do you imagine them haveing?

This is pureily speculation and other peoples thought on the subject please dont flame anyone for there ideas:)

thanks:cool:

[Tsuko]

That'd be uber.


Diamond Weapon... An 18-person alliance, all level 100. Woot!:sweat:

[Tsuko]

Yes, I am also speculating that by that time the cap will be raised.

[Janus Zeal]

I'm not really against Alliances, but I'd like a 6-people party at a fairly high (prolly level 150) level to be able to do it.

There were Ultima, Ruby, Emerald and Diamond (Atma Weapon of FF6 should have been named Ultima Weapon, wrong translation)...then they added Omega. Omega should be the strongest if it appears in FFXI someday, the others could be of a particular element, or ruling over a certain region or dungeon with an elemental theme maybe?

[Chase]

I guess they could have multiple weapons in the world one for different level groups

so they could have alpha weapon for lv 100 group, Ultima for 150 and omega for the highest lv group (well you get the idea)

well they could put more in there fill the gaps but they should make them sort of like ozma from ff9 (i mean the AI) so it will take alot of skill to defeat them and will require you to think alot but fast or they will wipe you out

[Dwimordene]

Sounds like fun. I like a good challenge. ;)

[Chase]

dam i was hopeing this thread would grow, well i guess most people wouldn't like battleing something so powerful

i guess we will just have to waite and see if any of the weapons will ever exist.
also it is a shame only 18 people can join togeather at the most it would have been fun to see like a 100 people all fighting a weaapon(sort of like the dragon in darkage..)

[Angler]

There's an "Evil Weapon" already in the game. It spawns in Sauromugue Champaign. Never fought it myself, but they're pretty common in that area. I don't think they're too hard to defeat...

Angler

[Aerex_CoW]

Bleh, dat not the same thing Angler hehe. WEAPON!!!!!!!!! I think Emerald/Ruby/Omega type Weapon guys would be awesome to fight with a big group of friends.

[Dragoon_K]

I would love to fight an ozma type guy, wether it's Ultima weapon or whatever they deem to call it. I love challenges expecually if you have to team up with the right people and get some good team play going on. You can count me in the battle if there are such monsters in FFXI. Good thinking:thumbsup:

[Chipmunk777]

what would r0x0r, is an alliance of 18 high level dragoons, with AF equipment, all jump at the same time on a weapon. and hes just sittin there like a f00, saying "what the hell?? hmm, oh well, guess they left" and go back to knitting, or whatever the hell they do in their spare time :spin: then, a little while later: *BANG... *BANG BANG BANG*... *BANG BANG.. *BANG ect... then hes dead. yes, that would be cool :thumbsup:

[Aerex_CoW]

Funny? yes
Cool? lol no way.
That would make it way too easy. I would hope Square would make sure that cheap stuff like that doesnt work on monsters that are supposed to be hard. It should take strategy and teamwork not 18 random dragoons lol.

[Janus Zeal]

Yes I agree to Aerex, its too easy just doing that, there has to be some strategy involves. But I must admit it sure sounds funny lol

[Aerex_CoW]

rofl, would love to see an alliance of dragoons rampage thru a newbie zone jumping on everything in sight lol. all you see is people flying into the air and falling down on poor defenseless newbie monsters haha

[Chase]

i dont want to turn this into are dragoons cheep or not topic but they will put a timer on the jump ability so you wont be able to do it repeatedly also i dont think a weapon would be so week as to die with a few jumps maby they will make it so that if a dragon was in the air and maby the monster cast some sort gravity spell which will do mega damage or something square will balance it out any way

back to weapons now :)

[DieselBoy09]

as for the cheapness of the jumps.. they'd probably set the AI to take advantage of the non-attacking time and have it cast spells like protect, regen, shell, or whatnot. Or maybe they will have it totally screw u over by casting reraise for all the people that want to try and jump it. ^_^ lol, just a thought, they always had the weapons have some skill that would totally screw u up the bung hole. *points to emerald weapon...* I hate you...... stupid good for nothing 9999 to all party members after doing MP drains to prevent me from doing crap.

[Chase]

yea you are correct who knows maby it may cast something that reduces all physical damage to 1 for the next several turns

i can imagin square saying to defeat this weapon you need 1 of every class atleast working togeather, they could inspire alot of teamwork this way for example people would have to come up with a general plan of attack so if player a is damaged mages must heal them imediatle instead of waiteing for them to go to critical health or something who knows they (* my wish*) could put place him in a special above ground hedge maze / dungeon type thing which turns into some sort of underground maze / dungeon ....so on till you get to him

also they is a special mission that lets you enter this area and lets you have a bigger aliance for this misson say like maby 14 groups (yea a weapon would be that hard to beat)

sry got a little carried away


;)

[Aerex_CoW]

Lol they are interesting ideas Chase.

Just to clear things up. I wasnt trying to call Dragoons cheap. I was just saying it would be cheap if you could kill him with just 18 dragoons jumping.

I would just like to see alot of people fighting an awesome looking thing like a weapon or Bahamut. It would just be out of hand lol. So many spell effects going off like a grand finale of a fireworks show. I cant wait to see what kind of stuff they come up with. This game has so much potential.

[ratmaster3d]

That would rock the house like a spandex wearing donkey wrestler. emerald and ruby where the best imo. even though eventaully I could beet both of them in a heartbeat. 8s weapons sucked balls just like the game. Ulltima wep was just sort of this random thing in ff6 on the floaty island. hehe anyone remeber invisibility and doom? but yea that would be frickin awsome if they put the weps in the game and had them be way harder than anything else requiring maxed characters off all classes. *orgasims at the thought of full aliance of hardcore buds taking down a weapon*

[Fox Excalibur]

a large weapon to fight would be very awesome


wait......until it kills us all and trys to take over vana'diel!! :eek:


maybe we can reason with it.

[Chase]

yea lol we can bribe it to let us live....every kingdom has to pay protection money to it if the mony hasn't been paid on time
it starts to go on a rampage so even if you are in town it will come in and do alot of damage (sort of like the summon did in ff9 [cant remember the name of it or the city it destroyed i do however remember regent cid])

[Chipmunk777]

Originally posted by ratmaster3d *orgasims at the thought of full aliance of hardcore buds taking down a weapon* [/B]

a little TOO excited, id say :spin:

[Bousch]

I agree about weapons being in the game.

But it would be better for it to be event driven if square (now square enix) would get off their lazy ass's and create a new one.. how long has it been since the last one?

More ppl would participate plus it would be fun for everyone instead of only the high lvls. Think about the mass of people it could take the bring one of those things down. 100's of people fighting one monster.


BUT, there are a lot of cons with my idea... A huge one being latency issues.. Think about the mass of people.. hehe think about the mass of LAGnESS!

Ok, im not in the 50's yet but I dont recall hearing about a monster where it takes more than a few alliances to take out. Other mmorpg's such as eq and daoc ( my limited experience ). Ive been in groups where we massed over 130 people but was all killed by the thing.

I dunno... but only time will tell

[Fox Excalibur]

hah yeah, it would be very fun if they did that.
they could maybe do it kind of like Chase was saying, but instead of everyone massing to fight it, it was done town by town, randomly. I know AC(and AC2) does similar things, you never know what to expect in that game. You could be in the town one minute, whole city desimated the next.

But yeah maybe have a few weapons fighting over variouse cities at once (or diffrent times).Or one weapon attacking random cities till its dead, or just over and over till square stops.

lol anyway, i doubt they would do any of that, but some nice new events would be great!

and adding a weapon with a large fight would be nice in itself, a mass amount of players fighting something so large would be a fun fight to watch.

[Chase]

I can think of a great introduction for the weapons to the world
have them attack through out the world at the same time

instead of pirates attacking the boat have 1 weapon apear and desimate the ship(so it sinks) , while another weapon attacks the airship and people through out the world can see it crash another attack 1 city and so on i think that would be alot of fun

--suddenly chaos reins through out the world--

[ratmaster3d]

Personally if i was sqauare i would do it but i would wait till the us version is out and possibly teh european because I would want every one to experiance it but no one server to get it ahead of teh other so the surprise gets every one

[Ral3idPenguin]

you guys are giving the jump ability way too much credit, you're acting like it wil deal out 9,999 damage every hit and be able to be used one after another. If you will all try and remember all jump did was double your attack damage for one hit, I don't thinkk that theres any way 18 jumps would just take out a major enemy (although that would be kickass to see) and although there will be a refresh time for using it it shouldn't be too long, maybe like a minute or so. Don't get me wrong I love dragoons and want to be one myself, but they aren't going to be godly. Only mine will :thumbsup:

Btw ratmaster, the dragoon in your sig, did you edit that to have red armor or did you find a picture of it in red instead of blue?

[Chase]

You are forgetting that you would have to be a high lv to take out a weapon and it is most likely that you will do that much dmg if not more by then(dmg break) but then again this is an mmo so we wont know if you can actually do that much dmg i guess we will have to just waite and see

o i also wanted to ask if some monsters get special music when you fight them, like the bosses had an alternate music theme compared to regulat monsters in the previous FF:spin:

[Velusip]

Naugh, you are not /supposed/ to kill the weapons! They are all that this poor little planet has as defense against what evil forces may come...

Materia! Elements! Unite!


Ahem, I do not know this, but I would figure that there would be a gradient function in difficulty with variables including an overall/generalized party strength as well as immediate effects and combos. Thus making the creature adaptable to what attacks you use on it.

You people speak of an ever-so-powerful jump attack? I am completely out of my league in stating anything on the matter since I have no idea what you are talking about, however I am a pompous bastard and that gives me the right...

I figure that any cheap attacks will quickly be countered- No matter how powerful. It will all count on quick wits, good combos and, dreaded be- TEAMWORK! *laughs at chase*

[Chase]

hahah i only stated that Teamwork is not always on a players mind and there should things you can do when you didn't want to team with a party. I am not against team work :)

[ratmaster3d]

Let Trogdor Burninate all Gelflings for their disproaportionate sins!!!!!

[Hisdon]

that would be a great way to get the Ultima Weapon sword, you and about 25 others need to kill Ultima WEAPON and everyone gets an Ultima Weapon for helping. It could be like a quest to get to rank 9.

For 7 you have to fight Diamond, Emerald, Ruby, and Saphire WEAPON to get it.

Then, rank8 comes from killing Omega WEAPON.

I know, I got it backwards, everyone thinks Omega is stronger. But, is the strongest weapon in the gmae named after him? No, I didn't think so. Ultima is the king of WEAPONs. Face it peeps.

[Nexus]

I think tthe abilities could be elemantal slashes(I.E fire ice thunder etc) Rod magic. wat would be cool is rage lvls(like overdrives) when a thing hits u and dmges u soo much that thr rage bar will be ful nmad u can use very uber range attacks. (of course the attacks will be balanced :rolleyes: )

[Fox Excalibur]

Originally posted by Nexus
I think tthe abilities could be elemantal slashes(I.E fire ice thunder etc) Rod magic. wat would be cool is rage lvls(like overdrives) when a thing hits u and dmges u soo much that thr rage bar will be ful nmad u can use very uber range attacks. (of course the attacks will be balanced :rolleyes: )


how in the who in the what now?

also whats with the image of the Wounderswan Color of FF2? its been out a while

[Velusip]

Originally posted by ratmaster3d
Let Trogdor Burninate all Gelflings for their disproaportionate sins!!!!!


Disproportionate? What, you mean really really tiny?! Gelflings are good. Trogdor can take his crappishly drawn self outside in the cold.

[ratmaster3d]

The only thing more Dispraportional than a Gelfling is those freaky rabbit things they ride. I mean does the phrase break a leg mean any thing to you? Legend of the dark crystal did rock the house however. The evil buzzard guys are my favorite villians ever

[sammy samuri]

I dont actully own an import ffXI but this pic shows a load of people fighting one monster.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/home/images/sc/scshot/sow021105.jpg

[Ral3idPenguin]

Are you talking about that old school mupet move Dark Crystal? If so that movie was awesome. And on the subject of the jump ability, I would rather just ride Trogdor into the countryside, burninating the peasants and their damn thatched roof cottages :thumbsup:

[Velusip]

Originally posted by Ral3idPenguin
Are you talking about that old school mupet move Dark Crystal? If so that movie was awesome. And on the subject of the jump ability, I would rather just ride Trogdor into the countryside, burninating the peasants and their damn thatched roof cottages :thumbsup:


Yeah, that is the one. Jim Henson's masterpiece.

[Storml2age]

where the gelflings the main character's race? I forget what they were, I saw the movie when it first came out and havent seen it again since

btw....
The penguin is dead and all that is left is the rage of the storm.....
I mean I'm switching my name from Ral3idPenguin to Storml2age

[Velusip]

Originally posted by Storml2age
where the gelflings the main character's race? I forget what they were, I saw the movie when it first came out and havent seen it again since

btw....
The penguin is dead and all that is left is the rage of the storm.....
I mean I'm switching my name from Ral3idPenguin to Storml2age


Yeah, Jen was the main character- a Gelfling. you saw it back in 1982 ? D00d, that was a wicked year for movies. Tron was out then too! I was not even born yet.

[Red Nibia]

I wouldn't mind if they just threw sin in. Take like 1000 high levels combined to fight it!

[Chase]

wow i never expected this thread to come back up again :)

altho i dont think they will impliment sin in ffxi simpily because he is a boss in ffx altho most mmo do have 1 super monster

i think ff series allready has the weapons i just want to see them impliment them

and make it an optional boss, so you dont need to do a mission to get to them, i know make a new island for them, the island of the weapons, only monsters there are the weapons who can neither fly or swim very far, so they cant reach vanadiel but you can take an airship there or something

the whole island can be a maze both underground and above ground where in certain rooms of the maze you will fight weapons till you reach the final room, where you face Omega the strongest of all the weapons (room is called Omega room, for laughs) then you face him win and get rewarded with a special title, item ,so on :)

also you may have an aliance of over 12 parties if you go to the island(make it a quest so that you maby be able to break the max aliance limit)

:What would you name the final room where you would fight Omega or the Island the Weapons are on. (if square ever decided to impliment this (probibaly not )) I am curious to see the names peoples come up with :)

mine are:
final room name:
My Grave
The island name:
The Island of no return
The Island where the Insane go to die

i guess i am not that creative :) but please feel free come up with your names or other ideas (if the weapons were implimented ) of how would you reach them or how would square introduce them

[Velusip]

Originally posted by Red Nibia
I wouldn't mind if they just threw sin in. Take like 1000 high levels combined to fight it!

That is like making a thousand angry children throw stones at a tank- eventually it will break, eh?

If there were ever any insanely powerful monsters like that I am sure the whole ordeal of fighting it would simply be hacked down to a cheesy cutscene and some fluke like every other ff game has proven to be. Ex: I mean come on, Sepheroth was a joke.

[Chase]

That is true about Sepheroth, he is way to easy (so much for the ultimate soldier) i was expecting an untimate battle but instead omnislash he is dead :(

[Storml2age]

Dark Crystal came out in 82? Never mind then, I wasn't born untill 85, I never actually checked when it came out, I just assumed that I saw it around the time it came out. :sweat:

[ratmaster3d]

Yea seph is easy if you are powerd up but if you dont beef up its a long ass battle. You want a gimp ass boss the worst ever is 10s i mean comeone you could not die he cast auto auto life on you. Yu Yeavon was the joke.:mad:

[Chase]

Yu Yeavon was supposed to be a gimic battle, what you were really supposed to fight ......spoiler for ffX ahead



















was your summons that you are supose to power up as hell, or well not suposed but you get the idea, talk about easy i killed omega in 3 hits, before he even got a chance to attack me. I liked the fact your chars could become gods in that game and break the hp mp and damage limits. :) i cant waite to see how powerful they become when i fill and replace all the low lv spears on the sphere grid with higher ones.

[John Doe III]

I think weapons would be a great idea! Mainly ruby, Emerald, and Omega would be cool. But definate 18 person alliance would be needed. I would also like to fight maybe ancient Races (Such as 5000 year old Taru and Elf so forth) But if you fought a 5000 ancient TaruTaru only Tarus can fight him. Elfs the same thing and so on.

[Velusip]

Originally posted by Chase
... i killed omega in 3 hits...

Yeah, I was there... *laughs*