Any PvP in FFXI?

[sparxx]

I was just wondering will there be any PvP action in FFXI..
I have read somewhere that there is no chance of PK'ing
but can you duel other players if youre in a clan, like a clan fight.. or something. :confused:
It would be so cool if you could duel... so does anyone know?

[Lushipur]

No pvp, no rvr, nothing...just teamwork against mob :)

[sparxx]

aw.. dang. Makes you think that is there any point in leveling now :rolleyes:

[Lushipur]

can i ask u why?

[sparxx]

Well... it's just that when you get on higher levels and just get bored on killing monsters it would be nice to battle with other players, make things a little interesting. Im not into any crappy stuff like PK'ing some "newbies" ... like I posted in a other post: there would be a quite working solution for applying PvP in FFXI..
Because Prince of Qin Online has this thing called PK MODE..
If you don't want to battle you keep your PK mode off.. but if you fancy a nice duel you just turn your PK mode on and fight wiht other people who have their PK on.... dunno, it just would be cool in FF world :biggrin:

[Lushipur]

u're right, but i think that cooperating for killing huge mob (like the prince of darkness or what is name) can be funny :)

more than killing other player ;)

[sparxx]

Could be so, I still haven't got the game...
Haven't really decided if im going to buy it..
Im about 50/50 of getting it or not.. the PvP issue would make a great difference :thumbsup:

[Chase]

i was like that to, i really wanted the PvP and i still do but after going through this forum i am 100% sure i am getting this game

[Janus Zeal]

Originally posted by sparxx
Well... it's just that when you get on higher levels and just get bored on killing monsters it would be nice to battle with other players, make things a little interesting. Im not into any crappy stuff like PK'ing some "newbies" ... like I posted in a other post: there would be a quite working solution for applying PvP in FFXI..
Because Prince of Qin Online has this thing called PK MODE..
If you don't want to battle you keep your PK mode off.. but if you fancy a nice duel you just turn your PK mode on and fight wiht other people who have their PK on.... dunno, it just would be cool in FF world :biggrin:

I must say, they did this thing on/off toggle with Ultima Online...look at it now too

Later they also created an alternate dimension where Pking couldnt be done (mostly business and PvM then) and the PvP area became deserted kind of fast, there weren't much people left in it last time I checked...

Just wanted to tell you about this. Also, I prefer PvM and item creation to PvP, even if its fun to create a carnage I prefer other ways...

[Janus Zeal]

Oh yeah, I just want to add this too:

You surely know what PvP involves right?

It can involve cheaters/exploiters that try to beef themselves up/nerf you down to beat you. It involves dying a lot more, and danger lurking just about everywhere, not trusting anyone (except in towns maybe). For those being Pked it also involves a lot of getting looted, losing equipments/items/money and having to get it back much slower than you lost it (even if there is unlootable/unexchangeable items, not all are). All this can make people frustrated about dying so much, especially to those killing newbies.

And your idea of a on/off toggle for it, well I don't know. Like I said in my previous post, they tried it in Ultima Online after complaints from players about dying too much...and I don't see it working so well...

The only way I'd see good in PvP is through arenas for dueling, or for tournaments or things like this.

[Chase]

Janus i dont see how you would be able to cheat in an mmo.
also alot of people have mentioned the arena idea as well as the ability for a person to turn on or of the pk mode.
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Thehe main problem in ffxi for the pking is that it would be unbalanced between the different jobs.
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The arena idea may work if they can figure out how to set matches so that they are fair, but then again if you want to take part in a pvp match (in the arena) it is up to your own judgement, if you think you can win with your current job then go for it .
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i am just trying to give many different views to the same question:)

[--Magi--]

People find loop-holes in the game and exploit it. I remember playing Asheron's Call, an MMORPG and for a time people 'God-moded.' Basically, they could kill you from far away and you couldn't do anything but die. So yes, you can cheat in MMORPG's and this is just one of the ways.

edit: You can also do something called GEAR. Basically, what it does, is speeds up your client (its a hack to speed up windows) and causes everyone else to lag, hence, killing everyone else is simple. That problem is still present in AC.

[Goku]

I agree with Zanus Jeal
The perfect way to use a PvP mode is in battle arenas, tournaments, or stuff like those

[Tsuko]

But..But... I mean... Okay, take mages for example. What the hell can they do against a huge Warrior Galka?:(

[Chase]

I am sure they could fix it in a patch, and those people who exploited this glitch or used a program like gear would be made to suffer the consequences.

example: remember a while ago there was a glitch with one of the gild skills and people exploited it, square fixed the glitch in a patch and gave a majour penalty to those players who exploited it, i think they were all reduced to lv 0 in everything

so that really isn't a problem

[Aerex_CoW]

Im not usually one to say this, but these pvp topics are getting really old. Maybe I just think this because I hate pvp and I'm tired of aruging about it.

All online games are at least a little unbalanced. which means PVP is always unfair in someway. Pvp is only fun for the people who feel a need to be better than someone else. Most people like to play without their plans being messed up by a group of idiots who think they are cool because they can kill people on a game. Pvp on most mmorpgs is a joke, it just breeds resentment and brings alot of PK crazed retards to the game. The bad points of PVP FAR FAR FAAAAAR Outweigh the good points.... if you can even name a good point...

I for one hope that PVP is NEVER considered EVER again for FFXI.

[Janus Zeal]

Even if Aerex's point is at the extreme, I have to agree that the downside is much much heavier than the upside of PvP.

All I could find on the good side, that some have said, is to get out of boredom of PvMing...

While on the bad side, there's a whole lot more (I stated some of those in my last post and I'm too lazy to quote myself), and it's also true a lot of "crazed and retarded" people just play because of it (to PK all over for no reason).

[Bousch]

What janus said about pvp areas being deserted reminded me of DAOC and their dred servers.

To much griefing , ahh I remember my day of getting level 10. But quit those servers before getting to 12 cause all the damn pkers. I then played on the gaheris or co-op/vs mob before i imported FFXI

Thats one thing I like about this game, ive seen more teamwork on this game than I have on other MMORPG's combined. A dueling area would be nice but then you'll see the non stop flaming and complaining of ppl about class not being balanced and such. (EX: vault boards for their mmorpg games.. they all have it) Went to this game hoping to excape from all of that.

So far so good:thumbsup:

[Goku]

But they can fix that problem by dividing the fights in groups(example: mages group A, knights group B) or something like it

[Etra]

I remember reading a few months ago there wouldnt be PVP because Sqaure-Enix didnt want to deal with all the cheaters/bugs that would come with it. They thought the game would attract enough people without PVP.

[Chase]

That is why the arena idea is so perfect all they need to do is devise a way to preset matches so that they are balanced like mage vs mage or war vs war so on also each city could have there own unique arena it would be quite nice altho i will agree the head ach of pvp can sometimes out way the benifits but that can allways be fixed in patches just like any other but and for players who use glitches to there advantage just have more sevior punishments. PvP in the end is another part of a game that alot of people enjoy. the main worry becides cheators and glitches i am hearing about is that it might get out of hand well the arena idea on its own prevents the case, think of it like the romen colosieum not only could we have pvp in the arena we could also have events like chocobo chariot races or like someone else mentioned they wanted to joust maby a miny game where you control a lance as chocobos ride towards each other ....ect .

in conclusion it would a very good idea to incorporate it
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now that that has been said Square has allready mentioned they will not be including pvp in the game that means it will never happne unless they change there minds, which is not likely to happne so stop allready with the pvp threads

[oscarxing]

I agree that PvP will give color to the game, the ideal PvP situation is like in EQ, where there're conditions to do a PvP. It is more preferable because you can only fight in a fixed place.

For example, in the city, make some blank areas only for people to fight. Or make some events where players fight one on one or a Group duel. It will be so nice

[Kagetoki]

I've heard that they plan to create a seperate server for those who want to partake in PvP. But it's not comepletely reliable info, its just something i was told. Just thought you might like to hear it.

[penpen]

If you dont already know, its extremely hard to balance different jobs for pvm and pvp. In most cases (since monsters are so much stronger than the players) you can kill someone (or be killed by someone) in like 2 seconds. And as stated like 100 times, people will always find someway to exploit whats in the game.

[Aerex_CoW]

I agree with the idea of an arena where there can be races and mini games and maybe a thing like the FF7 arena where you get a group in there and start an event where the monsters come at you and keep getting harder and harder with prizes and stuff. But not pvp =P.

EQ PVP is a complete JOKE. The winner is the person with the best gear and or the best cheap trick up there sleeve. There is a difference between strategy and cheap tricks too.

Im pretty sure thats false Kagetoki, a pvp server wouldnt work on FFXI. PKers would run rampant and people would die before they even knew they were being attacked.

All the patches in the world wont make PVP good for FFXI. =P

[Chase]

That is why you have pvp done in a controled environment

you really dont get the idea of the arena do you both players are given a starting signal at the begining of the battle and you wont have pkers running rampent if you can only battle in an ARENA jeez listen to what i have to say

[Aerex_CoW]

Either way it is stupid. Even with a starting signal people die in one or two hits, that sounds really fun. WOO I am the best cuz I push buttons and cast my spell faster than you! When I was talking about PVP being a joke in mmorpgs I was talking about Arena PVP too so jeez plz dont insult me. GM run pvp tournaments in arenas are won by people with the best gear, internet connection, and/or best cheap tricks up their sleeves just like duels and open pvp.

They had a teams pvp tournament one time on EQ and people won fights by using items that had charges of right click complete heal on them lol. They farmed them specifically for use in the tournament and luckily the GMs didnt see it coming. Loopholes will always be around everything, if it is patched people will find another one.

[Dragoon_K]

I rember reading something about this, where people could fight people from differnet kingdoms. Like it was an extension of the conquest mode, I thing that would be cool, fight for your kingdom and all. Anyone hear of that or did I read something that is a little to unfathumable.

[Aerex_CoW]

Im pretty sure that was just an idea or a rumor. That or a really bad source.

[Pai Pai Master]

so many people have said it, and i agree.

a PvP Arena would be cool. Sign up and fight in tournaments.

[Aerex_CoW]

PVP in a mmorpg wouldnt be so bad if it was done correctly by the players. The players are the ones who make it stupid and they will always make it stupid so theres no point in having it. If it was used correctly it would be a great way to have some good roleplaying and stuff. Nice to daydream about but eventually reality sets in.

[Chase]

I hate stateing the samething over and over again but
Aerex isn't getting it
PvP in an arena would work if they could impliment a fair way to do the match ups for example they could align it lv vs lv also job class vs job class which means Say your main job is warrior you will fight anothe warrior of the same level equipment dosnt make that much of a difference in this game as much as it does in say diablo 2 that is first of all
secondily this cheep way you keep mentioning would be considered like any other glitch in the game which would be fixed in patches just like any other game it would work

as for your comment whoever can press the buttons first wins

LEARN HOW THE BATTLE SYSTEM WORKS (not yelling just emphasing my point)

[oscarxing]

To Aerex, what’s wrong about better gears? It is what they accomplished. Gears have big part in all RPG and MMORPG, and it will always be whether in PvP, PvE, you name it. If you complain about gears taking big part, then you will suggest all players fighting naked? Well then it’s Final Fighting XI or Final Boxing :rolleyes:

[Aerex_CoW]

Im starting to hate this thread.

Chase. I DO get what you are saying. Do you not understand that any mage vs. mage battle would end VERY quickly? That means only the people who play melee classes would be utilizing the pvp system. For a fair fight to start the people would have to be exact same level/class and have about the same equipment. And even then it would just be randomness. What is any fun about running around seeing who gets lucky and gets more hits than misses? Like I said before, if people werent so worried about being better than someone else there would be no need for pvp. Whoever hits their buttons faster can cast spells faster without time in between, move around the opponent better and use their abilities/ turn on auto attack faster. I know about the battle system ;).

Oscarxing, you are right. Gear plays a big part in RPGs and MMORPGs. It plays a big part in unbalancing fights in pvp. Skill and Time Played are different things. People who play 24/7 will most likely have the best gear and this will offset any skill advantage the other person could have because it will allow the person with better gear to do more damage with each hit, take more damage because of better hp, and negate more damage because of other stats. I dont suggest they fight naked, I suggest they dont fight at all =). PVP works really great.... in 1st person shooters... not in mmorpgs. And actually you gave me a coo idea. Prolly been thought of before but, a final fantasy 2d fighter like Capcom vs. SNK sounds like fun hehe.

I dont really think that PVP is a completely retarded idea, it could be good if it could be balanced, but in an mmorpg it just doesnt look like that can happen. If it was an action rpg where you actually attack and jump and dodge and everything manually and where every move/weapon has a set ammount of damage that it ALWAYS hits for depending on your AIM and not your luck with numbers it might work but not when everything is based on stat points and rolling the die to see if someone hits/misses.

[Chase]

Aerex look i disagree with you and you disagree with me we are never going to see eye to eye on this

they only thing i will agree on is that square wont impliment a pvp arena in this game which is too bad for me and anyone else who wants to have some sort of pvp tourniment

so why are we even argueing about it

[Aerex_CoW]

/shrug....

YOU STARTED IT! lol j/k

I agree to disagree, but Im still right =P hehehe. From this argument I now daydream about a mmorpg with a battle system like a first person shooter. That would be the way to do pvp. Think a huge online world of Unreal tournament or something like that. Would be crazy lol. Ive also thought about an online DBZ game where you can fly around and attack people and stuff lol.

[Chase]

there is an mmo first person shooter comeing out soon i cant remember the name tho it is a combo of fsp and a twitch fighter style of game should be interesting

[oscarxing]

hehe ok we only want to know whether there will be PvP or not in FF XI, and there's no point if we argue here :p

we as players should just play and enjoy the game, and we'll see will Square put PvP or not :spin:

peace out all :thumbsup:

[John Doe III]

I only think PvP would be cool under some circumstances:

1. You have to fight in a large arena(Your Pick).

2. The arena will be outside.

3. You can only fight other players that are within your level. (2 would fight up to 4)

4. You can bet on certain items on the winner and the loser.

5. You can challenge people to it and they can accept/decline.

6. You can choose if you want to fight with a different class than you.

7. And you dont lose any experience if you lose in a PvP battle.

If they did that then I think it would be cool to add PvP in FFXI but onlyl those listed above :).

[sparxx]

For Janus: Yes i know what PvP involves..
And yes I play ultima online so i quite know the situation.. but have you played ultima for a long while.. because the pk "Felucca" has a lot of players nowadays too... so it isn't deserted or anything, and the idea about a PK zone is that you go there of your own free will, nobodys making you go there with your noob character and get slain the very first second:biggrin:

[Squall 741]

aw.. dang. Makes you think that is there any point in leveling now
I totally agree.
:thumbsup:
Dude the fact that you can get better items in the game than someone else is the main reason for pvping in any mmorpg. If you want to fight someone who has the exact same potential as you than why wouldnt you play socom or tribes or something. The reason i want to pvp in ff11 is to make getting to a high lvl and having nice stuff purposefull. I still dont see why its a problem that you die fast in a duel. (Its your choice to duel.) I havn't played ff11 but i know that in most mmorpgs like eqoa you do like 100-200 dmg at lvl 15-20 and you have like 900-1000 hp. I am not sure but i think that this is also true for ff11. You dont do more damage than your hp right (tanks anyway). Maybe duels between casters would be extremely quick and pointless but maybe they could add a magic competion for casters while tanks and meelee classes have the option to duel. Most people who chose casters as characters probobly dont plan on pvping anyway.

[Shadowed]

Well, It would be cool if an expansion added PvP....

Ah well, SWG will be the ultimate PvP online game, when I want to kill someone, I'll do it there.

Unless, of course, PvP comes to FFXI...